Meet Your Green Bay Packers 2020 Draft Picks
A brief overview of the Packers' 2020 draft selections.
By TimBackes
The 2020 Draft is finally (mercifully?) over, and now we have a better idea of what the roster will look like when the team eventually reconvenes for training camp. Be sure to check out the individual profiles of each player, compiled by our staff here at CHTV.
Here's a quick look at each pick.
Round one
26th overall: Jordan Love, QB, Utah State
The first of a few stunners, and one that will have a massive ripple effect on the organization for the next few years. There are going to be a lot of thinkpieces on what the selection of Love means for the future of the franchise. It would indicate that for the first time the Packers are clearly looking into a succession plan at quarterback.
Love has immense arm talent, but has had issues with accuracy and decision making. He's a prospect who drew a lot of attention for his potential, and landing in a place like Green Bay where he can sit and develop for a few years before having to take the field is probably the best thing that could happen for his career.
Ultimately, if the Packers can unlock Love's potential, they've secured the quarterback position for another decade-plus. But in trading up to take a quarterback. Packers GM Brian Gutekunst has opened up Pandora's box. The careers of Love, Gutekunst and Matt LaFleur are now permanently entangled, and the microscope on Aaron Rodgers has grown even more intense.
Read the full profile on Love.
Round two
62nd overall: AJ Dillon, RB, Boston College
Another shocking selection, but one that should at least be able to contribute more immediately. Dillon is an impressive physical presence, a bruising power runner and quite quick for is size. He's an athletic freak who should give the Packers much greater physicality in their running game.
The plan would seem to be to get Dillon involved in wearing down opposing defensive lines to open up more play action and other passing routes. This will also free up Aaron Jones to get more work in the passing game, where he was a lethal weapon last year when made a focus in that part of the offense. Clearly, this pick signals the beginning of the Packers retooling their offense to fit LaFleur's philosophy, and moving away fully from the Mike McCarthy offenses the team has had for the last 15 years or so.
To me, the pick made sense in that he's a clear fit for the scheme trying to be implemented, but I strongly question the value here in the second round.
Read the full profile on Dillon.
Round three
94th overall: Josiah Deguara, TE/HB, Cincinnati
Here again, the Packers go for someone with outstanding athleticism and a great scheme fit but at a very questionable point in the draft.
Deguara is a hgihly versatile player, who will likely line up all over the field in both the run and pass game. He's not going to be a primary target in the receiving game, but will be able to be used creatively in play-action situations. The selection of Deguara allows Jace Sternberger to be used in a more natural role as a primary pass catcher, taking over Jimmy Graham's snaps. When used in conjunction with Marcedes Lewis, Deguara could help the Packers develop a very strong power rushing attack.
My personal view: great prospect, good scheme fit, but certainly would have been available on the third day and a questionable at best draft spot based on other team needs. Looking forward to seeing him, Lewis and Dillon on the field all that the same time, though... hoo boy.
Read the full profile on Deguara.
Round five
175th overall: Kamal Martin, ILB, Minnesota
The Packers were in desperate need of additional help at inside linebacker, and grabbed a reliable long-term starter from Minnesota with a solid pedigree. Martin suffered a knee injury his senior year but it is not expected to affect him in the NFL.
According to scouts, Martin is a sure tackler and is unafraid of contact, but can struggle with play recognition and can occasionally play too high. Martin isn't someone woh's likely to step in and play a ton of snaps on defense right away, but can slide into the BJ Goodson sort of role as a rotational player while making a good impact on special teams.
Read the full profile on Martin.
Round six
192nd overall: Jon Runyan, OT/OG, Michigan
It took until the sixth round, but the Packers finally made a pick that was nearly universally acclaimed. Runyan, the son of a former NFL pro bowler of the same name (now working in the league offices), was first-team all Big 10 and a bruising blocker for the Wolverines.
The big benefit Runyan brings is versatility. He's extremely athletic, a very important trait for a run blocker in the Matt LaFleur system. He held up reliably against high-quality competition in the Big 10, including Ohio State phenom Chase Young.
Scouts say Runyan is athletic, verstile and takes smart angles to get to his blocks, and is capable of quickly recognizing defensive fronts. However, he can use more hand quickness, and he tends to land his hands too high, which can reduce his leverage. To me, this feels like the kind of late-round selection that can result in a long-term starter.
Read the full profile on Runyan.
208th overall: Jake Hanson, C, Oregon
The second of three straight offensive line picks in the sixth round, Hanson was an honorable mention All-Pac-12 performer for four straight years. He's got a lot of starting experience and has faced off against some high-caliber competition as a result.
Scouts say Hanson, like Runyan, is a versatile player who's not likely to be a standout, but should be a reliable contributor and depth player. He doesn't have a whole ton of power, but he's a high-motor player who plays remarkably confident against d-linemen who are much larger than him. He's not as quick as Runyan, though, and has had some issues with snap consistency. He's a good project player to get some experience behind Corey Linsley, who's going to be a free agent and may or may not be back on the team, given all the other upcoming contracts the Packers need to consider extending.
Read the full profile on Hanson.
209th overall: Simon Stepaniak, G, Indiana
The Packers sure do love their versatile offensive linemen, and Stepaniak is yet another of that mold. Stepaniak has played on both sides of the line, and was a team captain with Indiana.
Scouts say Stepaniak has outstanding upper-body strength, but can struggle with pad level and leverage given the shortness of his arms. However, he reads stunts and defensive schemes well and has good athleticisism. This is the sort of player that fits right into Matt LaFleur's run offense, and he'll certainly be in the mix for filling out the depth of the Packers' interior line.
Round seven
236th overall: Vernon Scott, S, TCU
Scott only had one season as a full-time starter, but had a solid season ranking fourth on his team in tackles, breaking up seven passes and turning out a couple highlight plays. Scott can play as a true safety or move into the slot, but he's unlikely to see a whole lot of time on the field outside of special teams unless he's used in a way to free up a Darnell Savage or Adrian Amos to move somewhere else around the field.
Read the full profile on Scott.
242nd overall: Jonathan Garvin, EDGE, Miami
Garvin declared for the draft after a junior year in which he notched nine TFLs, five sacks and a pair of forced fumbles before sitting out the bowl game to prepare for the draft. He was a two-year starter for the U, where he regularly showcased some agility.
Scouts say Garvin has a good closing burst and is capable of dealing with scrambling quarterbacks. However, it's still rather on the lanky side, and tends to get knocked off balance.
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Comments (77)
HankScorpio
April 25, 2020 at 06:34 pm
May they all have long and productive careers in Green Bay.
HankScorpio
April 25, 2020 at 06:51 pm
And we have a WR... UDFA Michigan State WR Darrell Stewart!
Patrick
April 26, 2020 at 01:45 pm
I will say this again listen up: Keep your eyes on Reggie Begelton, he will be GOOD. ok now u all know. HE is part of the reason they didn't draft receivers!!
stockholder
April 25, 2020 at 08:04 pm
Congratulations players. We really wanted you! You'll do a good job for us. Now go sit the bench. If you can't find a spot, The practice squad is near the door. Your Hurt? The trainers table hasn't been disinfected yet. No Dillion it's not Lunch Time yet. Josiah you'll be the last to know when it rains. So keep that helmet on. Martin being your from Minnesota, we follow directions here. Jon ,Jake, and Simon, it's important to make sure that G fits properly. No moon shots please. Great Scott another one year starter. The Boiler room is off limits. Jon, we use the head here. The packers are a storied franchise. Nothing is more important then kissing the Boss' butt. Regardless how far his head may be in it. So if you see more then one.You'll know what to do.
FITZCORE1252
April 26, 2020 at 03:18 am
That was incredibly stupid and your parents are embarrassed you took the time to put it out for the world to see. Dumb.
stockholder
April 26, 2020 at 06:54 am
It was suppose to be dumb. Just as dumb as the selections of the draft. So lets go over this.. Were ready to lose Bahk, Linsley, And 50% of pre-draft surveys said take a OL. Draft three OL late in the draft. ReachING for a RB Rd2/// instead of taking Jones OT rd.2 . Point!!! We spend a #1 and 4 on a QB that won't be a back -up. Telling #12 were done with you soon. When Queen is there instead. Point!!! And then we draft a Maybe rd. 5 who can't get off blocks per scouting report.@ILB. Point!! Rd 3 we take a player ranked 15 among TEs when a LB and DT (Fotu) were there. Point!! The point of points is that any pick could have been used on 1 OF 37 WR. That the battles are won in the Trenches/// which Management ignored after being last in the NFL against the run. So yes I vented my feelings that none of these picks will start. (And meeting your instructor for the first Time. ) My parents are gone by the way. But This draft is the worst thought out draft in the history of the franchise IMO.
Doug_In_Sandpoint
April 26, 2020 at 09:00 am
Hey Stock, why use two names? Just post under Stockholder or Hankscorpio. I don’t care which, but I’d seems strange and slightly duplicitous to have 2 (or more) identities.
stockholder
April 26, 2020 at 10:14 am
Just 1 identity. I'm sure Hank loves the packers too. Persuasive Thinking and passing the Buck have come to Green Bay. It's just a fact, if #12 wasn't caring such a big salary, Love would never have been drafted. It's just a fact; that the LV. odds for the packers going to the super-bowl have regressed. It's a bigger disappointment for us to lose to SF and then Lose the draft. So who will remember SF now?. The draft is forever. I went through the losing years. Other bad drafts. Winning Words will have to wait now. The moves by Gutey resemble Shermans. Change has come to Green Bay in a Bad bad way. This team is now like a yo yo before the string breaks. It will get over these moves and #12. The class is gone. It's all about the money now.
dobber
April 26, 2020 at 10:53 am
He's not Hank, Doug.
HankScorpio
April 26, 2020 at 11:50 am
Guess again, Kreskin. I'm the only copy. I may not be all that original. Sometimes I'm wrong and sometimes I'm right. People can agree or disagree as they will. They can do so amicably, with backhanded insults or direct ones. They can even forward moronic conspiracy theories. It's the internet. It's full of all kinds of people. No skin off my nose.
Either way, I don't care enough to go to the trouble of making it seem like I hold a popular opinion by using two names.
Bearmeat
April 26, 2020 at 07:54 am
I call it like I see it. Always have and always will. Ok. Ready?
This is a horse shit class. I have nothing against the particular guys they drafted: they just want jobs, and of course I hope they succeed as Packers. No, this is a HORSE SHIT draft by our personnel office.
At no point did they get value until possibly round 6. Even IF Love/Dillon and what's his name at TE prove to be great players, they were still picked too high. Econ 101: When using limited resources, DO NOT spend massive draft capital where there is no position scarcity.
Drafting a RB in round 2, when we had real needs at talent scarce positions, and a team that was in the NFC CG last year, whether or not that back becomes a game-breaker (unlikely) is DUMB AS HELL. The NFL is littered with day 3 and UDFA RBs who are really effective. This is when there were REALLY GOOD WRs available still! THEN doubling down for an H back in round 3 when there were good OT's/DTs available was also DUMB AS HELL.
I get the Love pick. I think it's too early. I don't think it makes cap sense. But if MLF really loves Love that much, and he's the guy, you go get him. QB is that important. If Gute is right, and Love turns into THE MAN, it's a franchise/history-altering moment. Even if it costs a day 3 pick. History has told us that day 3 picks and UDFA's usually don't become starters for very long and most are out of the league before the end of the rookie deal.
Day 2 was what REALLY pissed me off. Day 3/UDFA? Meh. RAS guys are where Gute should be living there. Most of them will wash out within 3 years anyways. Between our lack of activity in UFA (which I understand cap-wise), and our shit draft that won't help in 2020, I'm seriously thinking about 8-8 or worse this year. We were lucky to be where we were last year. Every hole in the starting 22 we had last year, we have now. Plus some because Bulaga is gone. A couple of injuries and close losses and we're looking at missing the playoffs.
If I'm ARod, I'm every bit as pissed as Favre was in 2005. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see some of the vets say some nasty things in camp and I fully expect passive-aggressive comments from ARod. Perhaps even resulting in a public trade/release request. If things go south early next fall, I expect a schism. Especially since ARod hasn't been bitching about retiring every frigging second for the past 5 years. Get the man some weapons! Our last 4 years have been older than dirt Jordy, Graham and Randall, an EMBARRASSMENT of CFL castoffs and UDFA's along with Davante. That's it.
GROSS! I was happy with Gute, despite his awful 2018 draft. Until Friday night. I have now pulled a total 180. We couldn't stop a nosebleed on run defense either of the last two years, but our DT group is "fine." Ok. And TE's are open all year, but our ILBs are "good." OK. And then Gute had the BALLS to say that he really likes the WR room as it is when he promised ARod to "fix it" after the year and all but told the fans they'd be looking strongly at WR in the draft this year. BULL SHIT SIR. DO NOT INSULT MY INTELLIGENCE!
Gute and MLF put their balls on the table and planted their flags in this draft. So be it. We'd BETTER see results. Or they should both be fired. After 2021 at the latest.
Rant. Over. Go Pack Go.
FITZCORE1252
April 26, 2020 at 03:30 am
Xanex. Look into it.
They have a plan, let's see if it's worth a shit. Just because they drafted a couple kids a round or two before the Kipers of the world thought they should, who gives a shit? If BG and ML thought they were what they needed, who cares where they got them. Maybe Dillon will be our D. Henry and the TE will be our Juszczyk? Or, maybe they reached and one or both will fail miserably?
The only certain thing right now is there's a philosophy shift in GB and you should get your popcorn ready.
Bearmeat
April 26, 2020 at 06:23 am
LOL. My xanax was typing that crazy-ass rant. I feel better already. Look, Fitz, I know that football is just entertainment and it doesn't really matter. Even if GB goes 0-16, my life isn't (or shouldn't be) measurably worse.
It's just that, selfishly, I was really looking forward to the draft this year because of all that is going on in the world. Being stuck inside for weeks sucks. And we were only one game from the big game and had a relatively young team. I don't think the roster needed a huge makeover, but that's what we got.
Go Pack Go.
Lare
April 26, 2020 at 07:11 am
My concern is that there doesn't seem to be any clear direction at the top of the Packers organization right now.
Lord knows, we've all commented on Aaron Rodgers declining skills the last few years. But if that's the case and you want to replace him, why sign him to a huge contract (making him untradeable) years before his previous contract was even up?
Why give Jimmy Graham $10 million per year for next to nothing?
Why trade away draft picks like they're candy in order to reach for players?
And why ignore areas of serious deficiencies on the team like the run defense and WR?
Bearmeat
April 26, 2020 at 07:57 am
There certainly have been a number of mistakes, Lare. AMEN!
HankScorpio
April 26, 2020 at 08:31 am
Why draft Love and not give him pass catcher to be successful?
Why trade up to draft Love on Day 1 and spend Day 2 working to limit what you need a QB to do?
Bearmeat
April 26, 2020 at 10:14 am
They're transitioning to a 40x a game run team. Smash mouth football with a couple of burners. Except... where are the burners.
marpag1
April 26, 2020 at 05:31 am
"The NFL is littered with day 3 and UDFA RBs who are really effective."
I feel your rant, Bearmeat, but the comment about the NFL being 'littered' with late and undrafted RBs has been a peeve of mine for a while. People keep saying it, but I don't think it's nearly as true as many believe.
Below is my subjective list of who I think will start at RB for all 32 teams together with their draft position. There are 11 RBs from D1 (including six top ten picks), 10 from D2, 6 from D3, 2 from D5, 1 from D7 and 2 undrafted. Of the 30 drafted players, the average draft slot is #55, which is in the middle of D2 (and If you drop out just one guy - Carson from SEA who was drafted 249 - then the average slot jumps up to 48). Only 5 out of 32 are Day three (D4 or below)
Average draft slot of Packers starting offensive line? Round 4, pick 110. I totally get it that backup RBs are going to see more playing time than backup guards and tackles, but when 27 out of 32 RB starters are D3 or above, it seems an awful stretch to imply that late-round / undrafted RBs are anything even close to the norm.
Here is the list (name, team, round, pick)...
Barkley NYG 1- 2
Fournette JAX 1- 4
Elliot DAL 1- 4
Peterson WAS 1- 7
McCaffrey CAR 1- 8
Gurley ATL 1- 10
Gordon DEN 1- 15
Jacobs LV 1- 24
Ingram BAL 1- 28
Michel NE 1- 31
Helaire KC 1- 32
Chubb CLE 2- 35
Swift DET 2- 35
Jones II TB 2- 38
Taylor IND 2- 41
Cook MIN 2- 41
Henry TEN 2- 45
Bell NYJ 2- 48
Mixon CIN 2- 48
Akers LAR 2- 52
Sanders PHI 2- 53
Kamara NO 3- 67
Montgomery CHI 3- 73
Drake ARZ 3- 73
Singletary Buf 3- 74
Johnson HOU 3- 86
Conner PIT 3- 105
Howard Mia 5- 150
Jones GB 5- 182
Carson SEA 7- 249
Ekeler SD UDFA
Mostert SF UDFA
Bearmeat
April 26, 2020 at 08:05 am
That is higher than I thought and it definitely mutes my rant a bit. But I guess the main point still stands - there are far more contributions at RB from lower picks than most positions. OL has 5 starters and is only a 4th round average in GB. If you think about it, that's remarkable. If we had to start 5 RBs, by odds, 3 of them would be a UDFA I'd bet.
Anyway. Thanks for the correction.
marpag1
April 26, 2020 at 01:42 pm
Yeah, I agree that your main point probably still stands, mostly because RBs so often work as a platoon these days rather than the one single "bell cow." I also think your statement might have been a little bit more true a few years ago. Look how many of the very highest drafted guys in this list are from just the past few years. But that's the irony of it. Everybody talks about the "low positional value" of running backs, yet that doesn't seem to be reflected very much on draft day, at least not recently.
HankScorpio
April 26, 2020 at 08:28 am
Bearmeat,
Love it overall. One minor quibble.
"History has told us that day 3 picks and UDFA's usually don't become starters for very long and most are out of the league before the end of the rookie deal."
What you wrote is true overall. But this was a 4th rounder, the very best pick in that large range. The history is far different for it than the rest. That the cost to move up for Love was a 4th enhances the rant.
Let's look at 4ths from 2010 until now. Bahk and Daniels were both 4ths. Those are very extreme examples. More common were guys like JC Tretter, Davon House, Blake Martinez, Dean Lowry and Jamal Williams. Or even Vince Biegel and Jake Ryan. Solid depth pieces that can fill a role in the NFL. Sure there were also busts Carl Bradford, J'Mon Moore and Jerron McMillian. And even an injury incomplete like Johnathan Franklin. But overall, that 4th round has produced a lot of value to the team. Way more hits (to varying degree of "hit") than misses. Unfotunately, Gute treats them like they are radioactive since he blew one on J''Mon Moore.
BTW...I my rant reaction to the Love pick was that Gute should be fired immediately so he couldn't screw up day 2. I was joking. Unfortunately, he said "Hold my beer!"
Bearmeat
April 26, 2020 at 10:13 am
Yes, I understand that a 4th rounder sometimes (rarely) become studs and are usually at least spot starters for a couple seasons. I would have preferred if the trade up cost a 5th rounder instead. What I was suggesting is that a spot starter is a small price to pay in order to ensure getting "the man" at QB for a decade plus. If indeed Love actually becomes "the man."
HankScorpio
April 26, 2020 at 11:13 am
That uncertainly is my whole point. Finding a 10 year QB at the cost of a spot starter is indeed a small price. But there is no "ensuring" anything when it comes to the draft. Nobody (Gute included) has any way of knowing which pick will hit and which will bust. Which leads to 2 things...
1) Personally, I equate the odds of the Packers drafting another 10 year starter at QB to seamlessly transition from Rodgers is on par with lightning striking twice. It is rare to go from one HoFer to another. It is unprecedented to do it twice. So it's just a bad bet given the historical odds. I think the low odds of finding another Bahk or Daniels are better. And the odds of finding a guy on par with some of the other useful players mentioned are MUCH better.
2) Getting past that point, I could be talked into supporting Gute moving up for Love, in isolation. But it's not. It's on the heels of giving up a 3rd to move up for Alexander and (2) 4s for Savage. He thinks he can beat the odd of not being able to know which guy he likes will be a bust on a consistent basis. At the cost of 4 guys with a pretty good chance of at least being a solid backup and maybe more.
Bearmeat
April 26, 2020 at 12:50 pm
Fair. I was disappointed about the Savage cost too. I still think the risk on Love was worth it because of the value and scarcity of the position. If it busts, it busts on Gute's nuts.
splitpea1
April 26, 2020 at 11:23 am
It was suggested by Coldworld that maybe the decision to give MLF the types of offensive players he wanted came from another source besides Gute. I don't want to put words in anybody's mouth, but I'm assuming that means the decision might have came from the top. That would certainly explain why Gute, a Ted protege, would suddenly ignore the value aspect, especially in Rounds 2 and 3. Of course it's all speculation--just trying to figure out some of the reasoning behind some of these picks and the order they were selected.
Patrick
April 26, 2020 at 01:38 pm
The Pack had what I would call a good season, swept the Whole division, won a playoff game, now going into next season we will have an even better run game, (barring injuries). I am not down on thier draft picks, how do any of us know?? I was checking out Reggie Begelton, HE LOOKS GOOD, hands of glue. We have 2 or 3 new receivers!! I AM VERY OPTIMISTIC!!
Lphill
April 25, 2020 at 10:44 pm
Somebody let me know when the draft starts, I think I bad a bad dream that the Packers picked a bunch of bums. That could never happen , right?
jeremyjjbrown
April 25, 2020 at 11:21 pm
"Here again, the Packers go for someone with outstanding athleticism and a great scheme fit but at a very questionable point in the draft."
I'm confused. How do we know where he would have been picked?
There where only two picks we could be certain of, Burrow and Young. There is another reason we don't know, the Packers took one of them in the 2nd where nobody else apperently knew he'd be picked. The morons (who think Haha is a great safety) at PFF didn't even have a grade on him.
We don't know what going to happen. Neither does Todd McShay. He makes some good guesses and makes a ton in ad revenue when we read it. It's just a guess.
FITZCORE1252
April 26, 2020 at 03:36 am
DING-DING-DING!
The only reason people are pissed is because they put way too much stock in what the Kiper and Mcshay draft boards say. If we draft a kid in the 3rd but Mcshay had him going in the 7th people lose their minds. It's quite comical, actually.
If we've learned nothing (those of us who have been paying attention for awhile) shouldn't we know not to get too worked up one way or the other right after a draft? It takes YEARS to really know if a class was good or bad.
Breathe, people.
Bearmeat
April 26, 2020 at 06:37 am
Actually, no, it's not that. I don't care so much what McShay/Kiper etc rank people. Of course, they set the table for us plebes, so I can't claim they 100% don't matter to me. Maybe they subconsciously do.
No, what I'm more pissed about is the value compared to the rest of the NFL. If it's just not likely that "Gute's guys" are going to get picked for a full round or more by anyone else, then it's still a reach and poor value. This was my complaint with Gary last year too by the way.
This was Gute's 3rd draft and we're seeing a few patterns: RAS guys, and "reaches" to get those guys.
jeremyjjbrown
April 26, 2020 at 08:02 am
" the value compared to the rest of the NFL"
Their value to the Packers is what matters. If they value an HB/FB/TE/Slot Guy highly because it's critical to the scheme they want to run then BG drafts one based on the value to them. The value that guy has to the Cowboys and their McDumpy Offense means jack s**t to the Packers.
Your still not convinced? They have no idea how many teams plan to use a guy like that next season. Anyone can watch film of how the 9ers use Kyle Juszczyk (who makes 5mil a year BTW) and decide to do that. That guy would benefit the Ravens or Chiefs or Titans or whoever just as much. So they have no idea "how likely" it is, the same as us.
Anyways, I found this years first 2 days to be incredibly entertaining. We have no control over what BG does. So getting angry about it is nonsense. If he'd taken Queen in the 2nd I would have been like, OK. But he took Dillon and I was like "What? WTH is going on here"? So I dug into film and comparisons and the Titans running scheme and MLFs history with Derrick Henry. It was very interesting. Same with Deguara. Stop cheating yourself because what you expected didn't happen. That's the fun of itl
Bearmeat
April 26, 2020 at 10:39 am
I guess. I really don't like being in the place of an uneducated sheeple in general though. I take pride in knowing what I do know. If it's something I care about, I take to time to become something less than a plebe in that area. No, I don't know anywhere near as much as pro scouts and coaches. I admit it. But there's only so much time in the day for entertainment, and the Packers/NFL football are one thing that I happen to care about.
splitpea1
April 26, 2020 at 11:46 am
We'll see how "McDumpy" the Cowboys offense is.
I see what you're saying about the value to the Packers, but we're paying our QB extraordinary $$ to run a Tennessee-style offense?
Only two lower round picks on defense and no help for Clark on the DL?
HankScorpio
April 26, 2020 at 08:44 am
"I'm confused. How do we know where he would have been picked?"
For me, it's not about where Deguara belonged in the draft order. It's about the value of the FB role they want him to fill. The position is not important enough to warrant a day 2 pick no matter how well a guy can fill it.
Maybe if your team is completely stacked and you have accumulated extra picks. The Pats took a very similar player in Dalton Keene a few picks after Deguara. He was their 5th pick of the draft, not their 3rd.
dobber
April 26, 2020 at 10:59 am
They also took another meh TE a couple picks before the Packers (Asiasi). As we said, they get away with it because of the person making the call.
HankScorpio
April 26, 2020 at 11:54 am
Belichick is not a good GM. Fortunately for him, he has a great coach that can cover his mistakes.
Doug_In_Sandpoint
April 26, 2020 at 09:08 am
Fitz, where you been at? Stick around a while...
GBPDAN1
April 26, 2020 at 03:00 am
I'm still dizzy from the last 3 days. Because we are basically cap strapped and limited in FA, I was really looking forward to the draft to fill some of the holes we have. Get more explosive at WR by getting a legitimate #2 to take D pressure off Adams. Pick a Run stuffing DT and a starting caliber ILB. Grab a decent CB. That Could have all happened
But, none of that happened...... wow
stockholder
April 26, 2020 at 07:18 am
Well said. Gutey blew it!
croatpackfan
April 26, 2020 at 02:18 am
All I know that we can cry and be angry, but why? Because some experts larger than us (or at least most of us!) did not see situation as we see it?
You are talking like we have garbage WR corp. I believe we have very good WRs, but obviously declining QB, or QB with some healthy issue (every significant injury diminish some abilities compared with previous possibilities) who wants to play as he played, but not able any more. Many "flows" you call on WRs are basically bad throws from Aaron Rodgers and not inadequate route running from WR. Wake up.
I do not know is Jordan Love answer for Packers, but they picked QB today to learn and show us all what he can or will he be good, very good or excellent QB of the future. You do not find generational QB every year in the draft.
I believe experts (scouts, personnel staff) more than any of you. And, if they got 1 star, 2 excellent player from this draft and UDFA, I'll say this draft is excellent.
I was reading your comments on this and other Packers web pages and I will tell you that your choices of names for draft by seasons where and are 90% just JAGs, if not busts. Also, many guys you were claiming busts are todays SB winners (like Mike Pennel, for example). And some players you cheered for and was very happy when Packers got them were either busts or JAGs. Remember S Ha-Ha and his strongest opponent in the draft, I forgot his name. For many TV "experts" both were top 10 prospects!
So stop whining and try to see bigger picture. Jordan Love is not against Aaron Rodgers, it is to help him. And we have new HC with his philosophy and you all asked for that. Now, when Packers GM picking what he needs, suddenly you do not like it.
This is ridiculous and I less reading this page because of your many "experts" with negative attitude. What keeps me coming are authors who always try to gave arguments for their positions. Your arguments are mostly not valid.
Thank you!
HankScorpio
April 26, 2020 at 06:47 am
"All I know that we can cry and be angry, but why?"
Because sometimes you need to get it out of your system. At least that is my reason. The current team leadership simply does not get it. I can only ignore that so much.
jeremyjjbrown
April 26, 2020 at 08:12 am
+100
Tabin
April 26, 2020 at 05:39 am
It looks to me, that the 49ers are all in to try to win with a mediocre QB and they give him all sorts of weapons around him to fit and scheme that it is meant to make QB life very easy. The Packers with one of the top QB on the league instead of going all in to win now, make a draft to play a QB friendly scheme while A.Rogers is still one of the top QB on the league. GIVE THE MAN WEAPONS like he had in 2010,2011,2012. The Love pick makes the team weaker ( not an easy task to accomplish with a 1st round). They guy is going to seat at least 2 years under Rogers, why pick a QB now instead of a real need, it is mind blowing. The Dillon pick is a reach but hopefully the guy becomes a better Eddy Lady. The Deguara pick is beyond all possible understanding a TE that is mostly a blocking TE and undersize that would have been there in the 5-6 or maybe UDFA (a decent TE like Hunter Bryant was UDFA). No 4th round because we spent it in a reserve QB. It sure looks like Gute gave up on Rogers and put all the Packers eggs on MLF basket. I think he did that too early. 54% of the WR snaps last year were UDFA agents. They said Brady didn´t have weapons in NE but seems to me that Rogers didn´t have many either and he still did not bad with a very good WR and RB as weapons making the rest of the guys better that they are.
fthisJack
April 26, 2020 at 09:27 am
I believe the Saints, Vikings, SF, Eagles got better with this draft and FA and the Packers put it in reverse. No way the Packers sniff the SB for many years now.
jannesbjornson
April 27, 2020 at 10:36 pm
Brees didn't look indomitable in his playoff game. Time is catching up. Garappollo cannot carry a team. Cousins?? Viking defense lost Griffin, RHodes, MacKenzies, Joseph, Waynes, Zendejo,etc etc. Philly bagged Reagor,but that's about it. Run on the 49rs and control clock just like Seattle does. Not worried about LaFleur keeping the pedal to the metal.
HankScorpio
April 26, 2020 at 06:42 am
After hearing the Packers say they intend to use Deguara in a role similar to Kyle Jusczyk, the pick makes even less sense than it did on Friday. First, the whole obsession with the team that knocked them out but choked away the ultimate prize is baffling to me. It was plainly obvious why. Because when things shifted into over-drive, SF didn't have the firepower to keep up.
So onto the day 2 picks...
They spent a 3rd on a fullback? And to re-create another player's role whose career high is 354 yards of total offense and 1 TD? As far as weapons go, this is the equivalent of a small rock.
Their other day 2 pick was used on a guy that looks like the primary weapon on the other team KC dispatched with ease, Tennessee. That's a luxury pick the Packers simply cannot afford to make with the holes in their lineup.
Don't get me wrong and don't put words in my mouth. This rant is about the effectiveness of the passing game when they go to it, not the volume of passes. I don't give a shit about run/pass ratio or how they line up their 5 skill position players. But they must have 2 effective WRs when they need them. And 3 much is better than 2. Because there will come a time when they need them.
For all those people that obsess with SF, they sure act like they get that. They invest heavily in WRs and assembled their backfield from spare parts.
Thegreatreynoldo
April 26, 2020 at 07:08 am
A team can draft A) the most talented players; B) for need; C) for fit in the scheme.
Love: Talent selection. Not a need. He's a big-armed guy, not really just someone who fits for the LaFleur system necessarily. He does have good touch on short passes, but his skillset if developed should allow him to play in multiple systems.
Dillon: there is only one Dillon in this draft. If someone else drafts him, there aren't any other 247 pound RBs out there worth a tinker's dam. He wasn't a need, at least not in 2020, and he won't make as much impact as others who were available. As to talent, that's subjective, but I don't think so. Vision and cutting ability are in question in my mind, but he does have talent. Gibson went 66th (I'd hoped he would last until 94, and pre-draft I thought he'd be a home run in the 4th). 10 RBs came off the board by pick 93, and 4 more after in the 4th. There was a bit of a run after Dillon, and really, before Dillon with Edwards-Helaire (32), Swift (35), Taylor (41), Akers (52), Dobbins (55) being selected. I can see a GM with one guy who is talented and a fit getting antsy.
Deguara: Pure fit selection. He is not a TE because he can't line up in-line and he can't run routes. What he can do is block on the move, and catch passes on crossers and play-action or after leaking out. He does have enough pure speed to run vertically up the seam. Only 6'2" and just 242 Lbs, he has fine hands. He isn't Vitale because Vitale could run routes and carry the ball. Deguara had one carry for zero yards in college.
Hamler: Pure need pick. Lots of more talented players available. He is a thumper but that isn't really the job specifications in Pettine's system.
On another subject, very little in the way of immediate impact guys.
stockholder
April 26, 2020 at 07:32 am
I'm so disappointed. Everybody is just laughing at the packers now.
fthisJack
April 26, 2020 at 09:32 am
Dillon= Lacey. Degaura= Rich Rodgers. How long did those 2 last in GB?
Leatherhead
April 26, 2020 at 11:26 pm
In 2014, when we had RichardcRodgers and Lacy......didn’t we lead the league in offense?
jeremyjjbrown
April 27, 2020 at 06:32 am
"and he can't run routes."
What? Have you watched his tape? Clearly not. His guy is running a full tree and getting open with CBs on him. Go back and look.
Thegreatreynoldo
April 26, 2020 at 07:41 am
In a similar vein, it seems clear to me anyway that LaFleur had Gute's ear. LaFleur got what he wanted to fit the scheme he wants to run. Doesn't look like Gute would take Pettine's call. The D got a 5th and a 7th.
Some fans thought Pettine's seat might be warm. I think Gute said to Pettine "show me you can coach so that Tenn and SF can't cram it down your throat." Do that, and maybe Gute will tailor the draft picks to fit Pettine's system. Otherwise, no sense wasting picks trying to find Hercules Hybrid: it can wait a year to see results or Gute will draft to fit the new DC's system.
Bearmeat
April 26, 2020 at 07:53 am
Yeah. Could be. Or, it's possible that Gute looked at the talent level of the defense overall and decided that the players on that side were better than the ones on offense in general.
Either way. We need better results.
stockholder
April 26, 2020 at 08:34 am
Pettine got a vote of confidence. He's got to make good. The pressure is on him. And they will change this defense if he leaves. This was an offensive draft. They could have taken any 1 of 37 WRS. He Didn't for two reasons. He drafted Moore, St.Brown, and MVS. #2. They'll blame #12 regardless now. Pass the Buck just came to Green Bay this draft. Gutey is responsible for the talent period. It's his baby. It's on him. Don't make excuses for others involvement. My bet is on the experts, not Gutey. And watch the Los Vegas. odds on the Packers going to the super-bowl.
fthisJack
April 26, 2020 at 09:38 am
If you don't have a run stuffer....how do you stop the run. Mistake extending Lowry. Lancaster just a guy. The guy from Auburn never developed. KEKE...who knows...hasn't stepped up There were cheap guys in FA. So how do you ignore that along with ILB? Not Pettine's fault.
PhantomII
April 26, 2020 at 02:40 pm
It is hard to say from our standpoint what is or isn't Pettine's fault. Scheme for the SF game and any run heavy offense is 3 DN linemen and 2 DE's and 2 ILB's, 4 DB's. Either #1 Pettine does not have the personnel to counter the Offense (which I believe). #2 Pettine is so worried of being exploited by an Offense pass game he overloads the secondary with 6 DB's (which I also believe). The fact is our DC is working with a hodgepodge of mediocre DL's, and mediocre secondary players. Neither is good to have and one will hurt you as quickly as the other. I'm not crazy with his (multiple) player scheme. Our DL needs everyone gone but Clark , and Keke, and at least one shutdown corner, which we don't have. Drafting multiple OL at least can lead to highly paid current OL to be replaced and have better running game which will leave xtra $$ for FA Defensive players.
flackcatcher
April 26, 2020 at 07:38 pm
Nah... What are the Packers needs. Gute ran the board with his scouts and compared what were their first priority needs. That Gute as GM thinks and what we thought he needs are as he showed us once again are too very separate things. Filling the offensive line with quality backups was utterly necessary with the Cap staring them in the face. Gute and his team fill every hole they could by the draft. If we see no FA signings of DL then, TGR you might have a point. But I doubt it.
Thegreatreynoldo
April 26, 2020 at 09:18 pm
That's okay. My point might suck. LOL. Can't help notice that out of 9 picks the D got a 5th and 7th.
jeremyjjbrown
April 26, 2020 at 08:10 am
LaFleur on Deguara’s role: “We will try to emulate some of that stuff in terms of how the Niners used (Kyle) Juszczyk.”
Ha! I knew it. This is going to be F***ing Awesome! Can't wait for Dusty to see it. Nobody is going to be able to sit on ARod's reads when this dude is on the field. This helps so much more then "Yet another WR for AR to not trust".
HankScorpio
April 26, 2020 at 09:08 am
Last year Juszczyk got 1.5 touches per game for 16 yards per game. 1 TD. The year before it was 2.4 touches per game for a whopping 22 yards per game. And the same single TD. That was the banner year of his 7 years in the league.
He didn't get to play against Blake Martinez and the Packers every week. Most of the time, he was quite invisible.
I'll even grant you that he's the best blocking FB in the league despite having zero clues if that is actually true. You don't spend a 3rd on a FB. Not with the roster holes the Packers have.
jeremyjjbrown
April 26, 2020 at 10:21 am
Juszczyk neutralized Z to to point that just plain quit. The touches don't tell us anything. By the touch logic, Bahk is worthless because he probably has 1 touch his entire career.
HankScorpio
April 26, 2020 at 12:01 pm
What do you think the chances are that Deguara is going to be able to stone All-Pro caliber edge rushers all by his lonesome for an entire game?
If he can, it was a great pick and they ought to convert him to OT immediately. I won't hold my breath. And neither should you.
fthisJack
April 26, 2020 at 09:51 am
maybe they should try to emulate the 9er D.
HankScorpio
April 26, 2020 at 12:05 pm
Maybe they should be the best team they can be. When you try to be a copy, you rarely get it exactly right. Josiah Deguara is Josiah Deguara. He can play like he can play.
He is not the SF FB whose name is hard to spell.
4zone
April 26, 2020 at 08:20 am
Why did we trade up for Love. No team left in front of us needed a QB and no one could have imagined we wouldn't be picking a WR, OT, LB or DL. I don't mind the pick, I just think the trade was completely unnecessary.
jeremyjjbrown
April 26, 2020 at 08:40 am
Jeff Bezos says, "The smartest people are constantly revising their understanding, reconsidering a problem they thought they'd already solved. They're open to new points of view, new information, new ideas, contradictions, and challenges to their own way of thinking."
fthisJack
April 26, 2020 at 09:45 am
So you think Gute and ML are the smartest people in the room? Maybe they are but you better be ready while they're blowing it up for several very bad years of football. You might as well trade Rodgers while you're at it and see what Mr. #1 has before you waste 3 years trying to develop him.
PhantomII
April 26, 2020 at 02:52 pm
That's why he had an affair and lost half his shares. Still a billionaire though and can do whatever he wants.
Roadrunner23
April 26, 2020 at 10:13 am
Worst draft in the past 20 years!
frankthefork
April 26, 2020 at 11:15 am
This is a good draft for the Titans not great for the Packers...we are moving away from the west coast offense and will be running the ball. Big strong and young on offense. These linemen are built for running not pass blocking.
Problem is our defense is geared for the west coast.
Titans, Ravens and niners are running teams and the Pack is going to follow it. These are the teams of the future.
Look where our HC came from and you will see this is not going to be a passing first team. More TE and OLine men less WR's.
Look at the size of our Wide outs; similar to fast TE's!
A Rod and Defensive HC Petine have 2 years left In GB that's it.
I don't see much offensive excitement nor do I embrace the change, but it is what MLF's background is.
Difer
April 26, 2020 at 11:59 am
The Packers 2020 draft gets a D-, the lowest grade in the league. Ouch! It looks like Murphy, Gutekunst and LaFleur have got the Pack on the move back to the 70s and 80s. Last year's 13-3 season will turn out to be a curse that will haunt the Packers for years to come. Because of that record, Murphy, Gutekunst and LaFleur will be given at least 3-4 years to run the Packers whatever their record. In the meantime, I'm not sure how long Rodgers is going to put up with a system that has him serving as nothing more than a game manager for the rest of his career. Well, the money is pretty good, so I get that.
Lare
April 26, 2020 at 02:58 pm
"The Packers 2020 draft gets a D-, the lowest grade in the league."
Pretty much what I've seen at every website I've looked at, the best grade I've seen is a "C". Wonder what the phone calls and e-mails are like between the Packers Board members today? Somebody needs to make some moves to save face pretty soon.
PeteK
April 26, 2020 at 12:59 pm
A RB with power and explosion ( look at his measurable) like Dillon is a great pick, I don't care where we picked him. Three versatile offensive lineman in later rounds is usually a good bet. If they replace Linsley and Taylor it's a homer because we'll save 13 mill. Welcome back Bak and Clark and possibly Jones and King. The very puzzling pick for me was the TE, when Fotu or another solid DT were available. However, I felt the same way about the Sternberger move last year, and even though he was injured , I like what I saw from him in the biggest games of the year. Someone needs to stop SNACKing and start getting ready for the season.
Rosco
April 26, 2020 at 01:59 pm
I am VERY concerned about the depth at offensive tackle. If either starter goes down we dont appear to have much be hind them. Is it possible that the coaching staff sees something special in Ninjman or Laglue or another or maybe they are anticipating resigning Veldheer. Last years signing of Veldheer late in the season impressed me with Gute. Surely he has something "up his sleeve" here. Anybody know ?? Worried.
PeteK
April 26, 2020 at 02:56 pm
Add Runyon and Turner to that list.
MarkinMadison
April 26, 2020 at 03:53 pm
Well, I think 2/3 6th round picks could start within the next 18 months, so I guess this draft will be a success.
Packerpasty
April 26, 2020 at 05:48 pm
hahaha...by many many sports outlets grading the draft....Packers draft was worst in the NFL...SWEET JOB GUTES....go ahead cheerleaders tell me how dumb I am enjoy five years of no super bowl or maybe even playoffs...by then the boy wonder won't be HC anymore and hopefully this Gutes guy will be gone..