Don't Count Out Lucas Patrick

Lucas Patrick is still an important part of Green Bay's offensive line.

With the Green Bay Packers experiencing a salary cap squeeze, the idea of cutting Lucas Patrick has been mooted by fans and armchair capologists as an easy way to save a few bucks.

After an influx of draft picks, and Ben Braden being touted as a potential starter by Packers offensive line coach Adam Stenavich, trimming Patrick’s $1.95m salary may seem like a prudent move.

But such a suggestion doesn’t give Patrick nearly enough credit for the quality of his play as a Packer.

The lineman appeared in all 16 regular season games last year as Green Bay reached the doorstep of the Super Bowl, starting 15 and playing 90% of the team’s offensive snaps.

In that time, Patrick had the 6th best pass block win rate among all NFL guards, winning 94% of his battles. He also committed just two penalties in 939 snaps.

Those numbers indicate the scale of his role on an offensive line that PFF ranked as the league’s 2nd best for the 2020 season.

It’s a line that has since been depleted with the loss of Corey Linsley to free agency.

Whilst everyone of a green and gold persuasion is hoping/assuming Josh Myers will step right in at center and the train will keep on rolling, that’s far from a given.

Patrick has experience playing everywhere on the interior and the 27-year-old is also the third most senior member of the O-Line room, behind David Bakhtiari, who may well miss the start of the season, and Billy Turner.

Number 62 has been in Green Bay for five years now and knows what it means to be a Green Bay Packer. He knows the offense and how Aaron Rodgers wants to run it.

He also became more of an enforcer in 2020, showing a nasty streak and a no-nonsense approach. Patrick’s younger teammates will certainly appreciate having some backup when the war starts.

With Green Bay’s penchant for mixing and matching along the offensive line, having a known quantity who has proven he can get the job done, is a huge asset.

The notion that Patrick could or should be released implies that he’s expendable, but he’s proven to be very steady, which is a lot harder to find than a lot of fans may think.

It would be a gamble to assume any member of the younger, unproven crop of linemen could instantly produce the same level of solid play.

When you take into account everything that Patrick brings to the table, cutting him to save less than two million dollars doesn’t make a lot of sense, because he’s actually underpaid based on his value to the Packers.

No doubt Patrick will have a fight on his hands in training camp to reassert his spot on the team, but I’d be shocked if he doesn’t come through it.

Don’t underestimate the grit and determination of a former undrafted free agent who has had to fight for everything he’s got in the NFL.

Forget being a cap casualty, Lucas Patrick could once again have a major role on the Green Bay Packers offensive line in 2021.

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Mark Oldacres is a sports writer from Birmingham, England and a Green Bay Packers fan. You can follow him on twitter at @Marko7LW

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Renllaw's picture

July 15, 2021 at 06:16 am

New names are always sexy when you are looking to upgrade your weakest link in the chain. But, man, I will take the 6th best pass blocker in the league that can play center and guard as my weak link ANY DAY.

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gr7070's picture

July 15, 2021 at 07:49 am

Win pass block win rate does not equate to best pass blocker. Not at all

He has a 65 overall grade. That good, at best.

I would not be shocked if he's cut. Though that has little to do with cap hit, but everything to do with his ceiling.

There are potentially young guys with similar playing ability with a far higher potential to be very good.

We very likely already know exactly how good he can become, he's at that right now.

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dobber's picture

July 15, 2021 at 09:02 am

I agree: if they have a young guy or two who look very good, I think Patrick gets traded late in camp for a late-round pick rather than cutting him outright. You have to ask whether or not he gets another contract in GB after the current contract expires and I think the answer is no...they've invested a lot of draft capital in young G-T types and that's in part because I think Patrick won't be retained.

I don't disagree: Patrick has real value as a game-day piece, especially with his ability to play C. His low 2021 contract number would make him a valuable piece on the trade market. That all hinges on the Packers seeing a young guy they like at G or T and having a plan to back up C.

"He has a 65 overall grade. That good, at best."

What was his run block grade?

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

July 15, 2021 at 09:25 am

Lunch box guys like Patrick are indispensable to the success of the GBP's. Similar to someone like John Kuhn.

The cap is something I do not spend time trying to understand and leave it to those like TGR! However, there is no way I cut Patrick this year, but I also do not re-sign him in 2022. Patrick may very well start at either Guard or Center, but if he doesn't he is indispensable at minimum as your first OL off the bench for any one of the 3 interior positions should there be an injury. One way or another Patrick will play a big role in the success of the Packers offense this year.

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gr7070's picture

July 15, 2021 at 09:12 pm

>there is no way I cut Patrick this year, but I also do not re-sign him in 2022.

The fact that you almost certainly won't resign him makes him a very obvious cut potential.

If a young player with even remote upside is anywhere close to Patrick's current play, Patrick is absolutely getting cut.

Patrick basically has ZERO long term value. Thus just about any young player is a likely far better future bet.

Patrick is far from bad. But he's not getting any better. I expect hell be cut.

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LambeauPlain's picture

July 15, 2021 at 11:51 am

I disagree the 27 year old Patrick is as good as he is going to get. He has improved every year and is a leader on the OL. He is exactly what Matt and Stenavich and Butkis look for in their OL....guys who are versatile, adept at both pass pro and wide zone run blocking...and well prepared, playing with an attitude.

Patrick is part of the reason PFF named the Packer OL 2nd best in the NFL. He a keeper.

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dobber's picture

July 15, 2021 at 02:53 pm

I look at it this way: the Packers, with Bakhtiari on the mend, are likely to carry 10 OL coming out of camp. It just makes sense to have that extra guy until #69 is proven ready, and it's unlikely that Bakhtiari will be on the PUP.

Currently the rostered OL are...
C (2): Myers and Hanson
G, G/T (10): Van Lanen, Stepaniak, Runyan, Patrick, Newman, Johnson, Jenkins, Dietzen, Capra, and Braden
T (4): Bakhtiari, Turner, Nijman, Cronk

That's 16 guys for 10 spots.
Who's a lock? Start with the returning starters (4)--Bakhtiari, Jenkins, Turner, Patrick
Add Myers and--arguably--Runyan (Myers as the putative starting C and Runyan as a guy with game experience in 2020).

That leaves 4 spots for 10 guys. I think Hanson is a long-shot, as is Capra. I think Nijman's time is up, too, especially if Braden has lit up camps as indicated (we'll see how he looks when they start hitting). So that means 4 spots for Van Lanen, Stepaniak, Newman, Johnson, Dietzen, Braden, or Cronk.

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Leatherhead's picture

July 15, 2021 at 03:32 pm

We can keep two on the PS.

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fish's picture

July 15, 2021 at 06:45 pm

Nijman makes the team, imo. Guys of his physical abilities are very hard to find. It'd be nice to see what he can do in a game. I'd like to see him start and play at least the first "scripted" plays to see how it goes.

Stepaniak is the guy I'm not sold on. If you look at his college play, he got pushed back all the time. Upper body strength doesn't show through when the lower body is not strong enough to withhold the rush. Hopefully he's added leg strength since then. Practice Squad.

Hansen doesn't seem to have gained the confidence of the coaches since they drafted Myers. Practice Squad.

Braden, Runyan, Newman are the others that I think have the best shot at backup. With Nijman and 5 starters, that makes 9. I don't think we know enough to say who the 10th would be.

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jannes bjornson's picture

July 15, 2021 at 11:04 pm

Patrick will play to the whistle and de-cleat the scrum pile if necessary. He is not a coward.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

July 15, 2021 at 06:30 am

They're trying to get Myers up to speed, but if he isn't ready for the huge amount of mental responsibilities on opening day, Patrick should become the starting center. No way I cut Patrick.

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jannes bjornson's picture

July 15, 2021 at 10:54 pm

Myers IS the starter. Just like Jenkins WAS the starter day one. The veteran fallback means nothing compared to real talent on the field.

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Kinddavid91's picture

July 16, 2021 at 05:48 am

Jenkins WAS not the starter day one.

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jannes bjornson's picture

July 16, 2021 at 07:28 pm

Taylor lasted a game; Jenkins clearly out-played him in camp. Watched him up close in camp. He saved the position vs the viqueens. Talent over sycophants.

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July 16, 2021 at 05:47 am

Jenkins not the starter day one.

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nostradanus's picture

July 15, 2021 at 06:33 am

Lucas is one of those gritty-glue guys you need and appreciate in an Offensive Line.
He never complains, is ultra competitive, is versatile and always gives 100%.
Patrick is also the backup Center and with the Packers supposedly starting a rookie at that spot, he is a very valuable insurance policy.
The talk of cutting him to save a few $$$ is a complete load of Crap!
Also, if he leaves in free agency next year which is entirely possible (but not a sure thing) at least the Packers could get a low compensatory draft choice in return.
There are other ways to save a few $$$ and cutting an excellent player like Patrick is not one of them.

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gr7070's picture

July 15, 2021 at 09:16 pm

Gritty, glue guys are the last guys to get cut, with the exception of guys with talent who exhibit upside.

The Packers have a ton of IOL with potential upside.

Upside >>> "GGG"

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jannes bjornson's picture

July 15, 2021 at 11:13 pm

Hanson or Jenkins would be the likely candidates to hold the fort inside. When Patrick filled in he was a plug ,but could not move to go reach the LBs fast enough.

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stockholder's picture

July 15, 2021 at 07:22 am

JC Tretter T , Corey Linsley C, Elgoton Jenkins C, Jason Hanson C. and now Josh Meyers C. The Packers have moved their draft picks around. JC Tretter and Corey Linsley both ended up All-pros. So I'm not counting out Patrick at all. Because I believe; they would have moved Jenkins back to center. { Had Patrick flopped. } Instead; we now have a JC Tretter, and Linsley situation again. Josh Meyers might be the leading candidate. But Patrick should be the starter. It just frees up the other guys waiting for their chance. And makes Patrick a winner.

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jannes bjornson's picture

July 15, 2021 at 11:01 pm

They didn't put a two pick on Myers to watch him ride the pines. Patrick is the RG and it fits his strengths.

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jannes bjornson's picture

July 15, 2021 at 11:02 pm

say what?

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GregC's picture

July 15, 2021 at 07:10 am

I haven't heard anyone state that Patrick should be cut, but then, I don't read a lot. I've just heard it suggested that cutting Patrick is not out of the question if some of the younger guys look really good in camp. I agree with the author that it would be a bad move. Some fans got on Patrick's case after one game in which he had a couple of bad plays (I forget which game that was), and he became a scapegoat for awhile, but he's always been pretty good. His ability to play center and play it well makes him even more valuable. He is a bit under appreciated, maybe because of the way that he quietly slipped into the starting lineup, as if by default.

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Coldworld's picture

July 15, 2021 at 09:41 am

The number of O line prospects suggests that the Packers are looking to go younger at some point. At G (the primary position that many prospects project to, the assumption by some is threat Patrick must be the lowest hanging fruit to replace and trade. He’s been good enough to have a market and yet becomes gradually more expensive. With a contract coming up that’s a plausible theory. It could just as easily be that Jenkins is destined to be a tackle and that his spot at G will be filled first allowing Turner to be moved on next year for big Savings.

We will see, but I very much doubt Patrick will be cut. He might be traded, but that would require him to be outplayed in camp and have a number of excellent showings by depth players too before I see a trade this year. The likelihood is that any move with him is next year and that this year is about establishing young depth with upside unless that depth exceeds expectations and forces itself into the lineup.

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July 15, 2021 at 10:00 am

"It could just as easily be that Jenkins is destined to be a tackle and that his spot at G will be filled first allowing Turner to be moved on next year for big Savings."

We keep coming back to Jenkins as being a possible long-term T, but the proof will be in him playing out there regularly and seeing how he holds up after defenses have had a chance to dissect his play. The Packers need to put their best 5 OL out there. We know that Jenkins is an All-Pro caliber G, and he might be an All-Pro C. He might only be a capable T (or less). I'd rather have him playing a position where he's an All-Pro and look to other "capable" guys to fill the T spot.

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July 15, 2021 at 11:57 am

I agree, I’m not pushing Jenkins to T, just pointing out that there are other scenarios on the O line that could impact guard openings and what May happen or be under consideration with Patrick.

I do think that it’s very hard to keep a player who does emerge as a good right tackle as a guard, because his cost to retain will increase and thus one overpays at guard, moves him to T or loses him, which currently I don’t think would be a likely choice. Whether Jenkins is that is too early to tell. He could also be our second choice C conceivably if Meyers isn’t available (as could Patrick).

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PatrickGB's picture

July 15, 2021 at 03:09 pm

I have read (on inferior sites) that the team could save two mil if they cut him. And with loads of other linemen on the roster I understand the rationale. Yet I also have seen his improvement over the years and the value he brings to this team. Has he hit his ceiling? I don’t know. But in the meantime we have a veteran who can play anywhere in the middle of the offensive line and really doesn’t cost that much compared to what other teams pay for mediocre linemen. If he is gone next year then we probably have his replacement but this year I say we keep him unless the team gets offered a tempting alternative.
Besides, I LOVE his name.

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jont's picture

July 15, 2021 at 09:29 am

"With Green Bay’s penchant for mixing and matching along the offensive line, having a known quantity who has proven he can get the job done, is a huge asset."

IMHO, this is the key. Over the past few years GB has moved everybody around on the O-line; it seems like every week somebody if playing "out of position". Yet it works well. GB has had consistently good line play with good drafting, good coaching, and players like Patrick who have the mental and physical make up to perform well.

I am by no means able to know which players to keep or let go, but my bias is to keep proven contributors like Patrick as long as we possibly can.

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gr7070's picture

July 15, 2021 at 09:19 pm

The problem is Patrick has also proven he's exactly the player he is today. Meaning he has no upside.

Players with no upside and modest current ability are the players they're looking to cut. Especially do when they're not on a rookie contract.

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July 15, 2021 at 09:59 am

I believe with all of the offensive linemen the Packers drafted the past two drafts it makes you wonder if any of the current linemen will be cut. I think that is why many believe Patrick may be cut just to make room for all the new draftees. Yes, we lost a few players these past two years but you have to wonder why all the offensive linemen were drafted.

I guess it is possible that they were the best available and it just happened to be at that position but it would have been possibly better if they could have found some later draft picks for the defensive line or possibly ILB. Just some thoughts to ponder.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

July 15, 2021 at 11:12 am

My take is you never have enough good OL. Having said that it is apparent in the last couple of NFCG's that elite DL's are winning against the Packers OL. The Packers are looking to improve their OL. I also believe Turner and Patrick are at risk following this season with the cap situation....hence the drafting of the OL the past two years.

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LambeauPlain's picture

July 15, 2021 at 12:12 pm

The last NFCCG, while the Tampa DL is very good....the Packers were playing without the best LT and one of the best players in the league. And the Packers played without one of the best RBs in the NFL for the entire second half.

Could those two players have overcome the 5 pt deficit? Bahktiari at LT and Jenks back at LG when Jones loves to run on the left side....I like the odds.

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GLM's picture

July 15, 2021 at 09:11 pm

I would like to see him win the starting job, as much as I like the Josh Myers pick. He won't be cut... if anything like that, he'll be traded for a draft pick and/or a player.

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July 15, 2021 at 12:03 pm

TB's front 7 won that game last year without question. Bakh improves things, but can only block one guy. Nobody's going to shut that group down if they show up ready to play. Our OL was way better than solid but by no means perfect. Patrick will NOT get cut. As I and others have stated, he could start, he could be first off the bench or he could get traded. Never cut an "asset" like that, too much value. GPG

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coolhand's picture

July 15, 2021 at 03:31 pm

Without Bakh, we had to move Turner to LT and play Wagner at RT and he got eaten alive. I would have kept Turner at RT, move Jenkins out to LT and played Runyan at LG. I think that line would have performed better IMHO.

In regards to Patrick, I think the Pack needs to keep him this year, see how the kids perform, and decide on him next year. He was a valuable asset last season, and in my view, he was a beast most games.

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LambeauPlain's picture

July 15, 2021 at 12:03 pm

Patrick will be on the 53, barring an uncharacteristic poor TC. Besides his value as a versatile starter, he is a leader in the room, knows the system, and does his job.

Plus, he increases to level of competition within the OL group. As a younger player, you better bring it to practice because Lucas is going to leave it on the practice field.

Even if he isn't one of the starting 5, he is going to be the next man up for the interior.

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Oppy's picture

July 15, 2021 at 12:32 pm

I'm gonna count Patrick Lucas out. Simply because you told me not to. And everybody knows, it's ultra effin' cool to do the opposite of what people tell you. Makes you a rugged individualist. A free thinker. A man who cuts his own path.

A real badass.

I'm counting Patrick Lucas out.

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flackcatcher's picture

July 15, 2021 at 01:27 pm

Dang! Beat me to it.... :-0

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PatrickGB's picture

July 15, 2021 at 03:11 pm

Lucas Patrick.

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Oppy's picture

July 16, 2021 at 09:12 am

How would I know that? I’m cutting what’s his name out. OUT I say!!

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