Confessions of a Polluted Mindset - Voluntary OTAs

The Weekly Packers Brain Drain from Jersey Al.

 

 

Here, Not Here

Voluntary OTAs are always more notable for who's not there than who is. While especially true this year, there luckily aren't a lot of Packers willing to give up their workout bonuses for some extra time off. Some honest answers from Clark, Amos and others admitting they're just there to earn their bonus money. Notable veterans missing yesterday besides Aaron Rodgers were Adams, Alexander, Lazard, MVS and St. Brown. My first thought was that the wide receivers all sat out on purpose, but LaFleur was asked about it and downplayed it, saying he didn't think it was coordinated, as he talked to each player individually. I'm still a little suspicious...

 

Offensive Line: 

No real surprises at the starting OL first time out. What it does solidify to me is that Billy Turner will now exclusively be a tackle for the Packers, easier to do now with all the interior linemen drafted the last two years.

 

 

Two AJs

One of these things is not like the other:

 

A Brand New Smith?

Good point here from Matt. Preston Smith was obviously slower to these eyes and his play was not as dynamic as the previous year. He's supposedly come in leaner this year, a body type which matches up with the Rams' edge rushers from Barry's defense with the Rams.

 

 

Save the drama for... well, not your mama... someone else I guess:

Basically, Aaron Rodgers doesn't like the fact the Packers run the team like a business and will do whatever they feel is best for the team. Sorry if they cut some of your friends or insist on planning for the future without you. Just do your job.

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"Jersey Al" Bracco is the Editor-In-Chief, part owner and wearer of many hats for CheeseheadTV.com and PackersTalk.com. He is also a recovering Mason Crosby truther.  Follow Al on twitter at @JerseyalGBP

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greengold's picture

May 26, 2021 at 06:09 am

Right ON, Al. Well said.

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porupack's picture

May 26, 2021 at 06:24 am

Agreed w your comment. ARodgers better backtrack and do his job. Front office should not back down and assent to a trade at this late stage which puts them at a clear disadvantage in bargaining power with other teams. Rodgers signed a contract and has 2 years to honor his side of the deal. However, GB should offer face-saving, symbolic cookies, as any conflict does require something from both sides, right or wrong the aggrievance. Seems that if they can't reach a long term extension, GB should offer Rodgers and escape after this season, and that would give Rodgers also a chance to exit on a highnote, and have the ability to negotiate with other teams without violating the NFLPA tampering rules. Seems that is the win-win.

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NickPerry's picture

May 26, 2021 at 06:25 am

The picture of Dillon and Jones is priceless. I mean the difference in their legs is pretty drastic. I think I love Dillon even more and I have the feeling this kid is going to turn a lot of Packers fans who felt it was a wasted pick. Hey, if he was taken a round or two early who in the hell cares as long as he's part of the best one/two punch RB tandem in the NFL. Personally IMO that's EXACTLY what the Packers have.

Good news about Preston Smith. This is an "odd year" so Smith should have excellent sack numbers...Well at least if he follows the same path his entire career has been on. I know I keep bringing this up but the numbers don't lie!

Almost made it to the end without a mention of Rodgers. After listening to the Sportscenter interview I couldn't help but wonder how much of that was directed at Murphy. When Murphy told Rodgers "Don't be the problem" and he was "tired of the DIVA act". Something like that just feels like something Rodgers would NEVER forget.

Now I've never been very fond of Murphy, especially when inserted himself into a more prominent role in Football Operations where he wants everybody reporting to him. Damn I miss Bob Harlan.

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HankScorpio's picture

May 26, 2021 at 06:38 am

"When Murphy told Rodgers "Don't be the problem" and he was "tired of the DIVA act". Something like that just feels like something Rodgers would NEVER forget."

Agreed. And Rodgers ought to be kissing Murphy's beanbag over giving Rodgers a chip for his shoulder. Rodgers plays well with the chip. He lost the chip in 2017-2019. His play reflected that. Which is why they picked Jordan Love in the first place. That gave him a 2nd shoulder chip. The result was a MVP season. Which never would have happened without the shoulder chip(s).

It is to Rodgers discredit that he was not able to recognize that his attitude and performance had slipped. It's good that he finally did and corrected it. It's bad that he thinks that makes them owe him something. It's the opposite from my view. One year does not make up for a multi-year decline. He's still got some payback to give.

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greengold's picture

May 26, 2021 at 07:14 am

This is a very well thought out take, Hank.

I agree. I think those “chips” can be equated with spite, and someone that exhibits that level of spite and vindictiveness, able to turn it on and off like a switch, is often very difficult to manage.

It is beginning to look like Aaron Rodgers didn’t show the level of respect to Matt LaFleur to allow for them to be a winning combination. That’s a big reason why the Packers are working out their trade with the Broncos as we speak. That’s my suspicion anyway.

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CoachDino's picture

May 26, 2021 at 05:07 pm

I agree with the chip on his shoulder helping his game (so shallow - how about doing it for yourself, teammates, employer, fans, love of the game - kinda have to feel sorry for dude - in a way..lol).

I think what helped his game more than anything is Murphy.

Who fired MM and Hired MLF? Mark Murphy
IMO that's what saved AR, he wasn't good enough anymore to just stand back in the shotgun and sling it. Those days were obviously over. MLF gave him the best scheme possible to maximize his current skill set. Even year 1 with MLF AR tried to do his old routine and it didn't workout so well for him. 2020 he bought in even more (not 100% - still likes to change plays to pass or chose pass in RPOs) and had a great year.

Murphy also hires Gute. Who goes out and kills his drafts and FA.
this offense was loaded with talent other than AR. #1 LT (top OL) #1 WR (Top Passing) Top5 RB and possibly even high RB unit, Top 5 TE. Top Yard per catch WR. Thats Crazy good - Now AR gets credit for that as well but he didn't do it on his own.

PFF just went back and graded the 2018 and 2019 drafts and has the packers in the top echelon in both years. Sorry Gute haters...

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greengold's picture

May 26, 2021 at 05:59 pm

Great thoughts here, Dino.

Hank’s link the next message down is insanely detailed in how AR ticks and his history through McCarthy’s tenure, with first hand accounts from former teammates and Packers staffers.

I read a lot of it earlier before heading home. WOW, Helps to make a little more sense of what we are experiencing.

Thanks, HankScorpio for sharing that.

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NickPerry's picture

May 28, 2021 at 06:04 am

Thanks Dino...I get TIRED of all the Gute hate on Packers sites and frankly don't understand it. Has he been perfect, made all the right moves? No, of course not. But other GM has either. Ted had a few tough last few years and Gute took over a DECLINING roster. This is a very good football team and Gute deserves credit.

It's too bad he made Rodgers the HIGEST paid QB in the NFL and now the DIVA is acting like a kid who's mom said no.

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dobber's picture

May 26, 2021 at 07:45 am

"The picture of Dillon and Jones is priceless. "

This is what 40 lbs of "good weight" looks like...

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Coldworld's picture

May 26, 2021 at 10:53 am

An elephant would be proud of those legs. ILBs let alone DBs are in for a treat when you consider that they move pretty fast too.

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RCPackerFan's picture

May 26, 2021 at 08:15 am

I think this is more about Murphy then anyone. Maybe some of Gutekunst. But I think it has more to do with Murphy then anyone. I think this has to do with the power structure that they set up. I think it has to do with Murphy being the top dog who is mixed in with everyone.
After that comment of don't be the problem, and then this year he comes out and says "we're not idiots". Maybe, Rodgers is trying to make them look like idiots?

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dobber's picture

May 26, 2021 at 08:34 am

How many times in the past has #12 had a "spat" with the Packers? ...over contracts? ...over play calling? ...over buddies who weren't retained? ...over massages? ...over perceived lack of input?

We all thought that moving on from McCarthy and TT would start to smooth things over. ARod got a new contract (coming off a crap year by his standards)...by most indicators, the Packers chose ARod. Maybe that's put us where we are now. Even just recently, after 2019, people were pointing the finger at LaFluer: he and ARod didn't jive. Gutekunst? Murphy? I think that if we're living in a narrative where we wouldn't have ended up at this point at some stage, we're being naive.

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RCPackerFan's picture

May 26, 2021 at 10:56 am

12 has has his far share of spats or whatnot.

I'm not saying 12 doesn't have faults. What I'm saying is that I think he has more issues with Murphy then anyone else.

And lets be honest, this is the 2nd time with Murphy being in charge of the team that he has allowed the starting future Hall of Fame QB to become disgruntled and want to leave the team. He also allowed his GM to continue on when he probably shouldn't have been. There has been a lot of issues,

Out of anyone, this is a really bad look for Murphy IMO. Regardless of what happens.

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Coldworld's picture

May 26, 2021 at 11:03 am

Dobber, that is a really interesting perspective. A perspective that does seem plausible and maybe persuasive now you raise it.

Thinking about it, I think it is in part due to the shifting risk/reward calculation as Rodgers gets older. Somethings can be lived with if the future is credibly long that may not be when the issue of how long can he play is there. Contracts are for the future not the past.

Rodgers passive aggressive approach may be in part due to him knowing that too. The sad fact is that it was all so unnecessary as I could not see him being moved if he was still playing at a high level. Your proposition might change that if indeed he has burnt bridges consistently. Good points prompt thought, kudos!

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CheesyTex's picture

May 26, 2021 at 11:02 am

Right on.

It still irks me that the Packers are villianized following their 2018 restructure of Rodgers' contract -- $57,500,000 CASH up front! That bought two less-than-value-paid years followed by one MVP year.

The Packers negotiated in good faith and put their $ and trust on the table. Rodgers took the $ and now seems to have extended the finger.

Considering the above, I cannot buy the assertion that the Packers are the culprit in all this and have driven Rodgers to this point.

Maybe this will all work out, and maybe it's just fodder to keep the NFL in the forefront of the news during the offseason "dead time".

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Since'61's picture

May 26, 2021 at 04:23 pm

The Packers were under no obligation to give Rodgers that contract. Besides it works to their advantage for the next 2-3 seasons unless they lose Rodgers with no return.

If they trade Rodgers or if he stays and plays it’s all good for the Packers. However if he retires they lose the player and have nothing in return. Which would be very poor asset management. I’m glad the Murphy triumvirate never ran my business because in the world of earnings and shareholder equity they would be bleeding money all over the place. Thanks, Since ‘61

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blondy45's picture

May 26, 2021 at 09:28 am

I have been silent for a period of time, but I believe the 5-6 WR on opening day will be quite a surprise to most. Until we know the finality of Rodgers being or not being the QB this year, the WR room is tied to Rodger's status. If Rodgers is our QB (doubt it), it is more easily predictable to judge the top WR's already on the team. If Rodgers is not our QB, no one is a guarantee, except for rookie Rodgers. Any current Packer's WR's including Adams could be part of a trade. If I were any WR on the Packer's roster who wants to be a Packer, he should attend as many OTS or minicamps as possible. If you show no respect for the Packer's organization by not showing up for the "voluntary" camp activities, you are opening up yourselves for future considerations. If they are showing loyalty for Rodgers, it is a mistake IMO. Rodgers does not pay their salary or bargain for a contract extension. Aaron Rodgers is not the team first guy or the fan loving person he wants the public or media to believe. Actions still speak louder than words. SO Rodgers is now NOT upset the Pack drafted Love. SO now Rodgers loves his teammates even though he is putting himself above the "team". SO now Rodgers loves the Packer's fans, even though he is dragging them through the mud with his selfishness. The front office is still making the right calls for the future of the Green Bay Packers........so far at least.

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Coldworld's picture

May 26, 2021 at 11:22 am

NP, I’ve been a pretty strident critic of Murphy’s handling of the end of TT and his structure, predicting that it would open the door to some of the things that you suggest.

That said, I do not think it’s at fault here (except in making it more opaque). Rodgers is simply targeting the (usually) faceless ones who arent doing what he wants. These are a classically easy target. That doesn’t make it reasonable or right.

I do agree, this is Murphy’s overall vision for the team ( incorporating that of his hire LaFleur in terms of system and personnel needs). Gute and Ball have to work within that paradigm. LaFleur too (perhaps most obviously with coaching choices). So I find it extremely unlikely that Gute didn’t move for Love without knowing Murphy was OK with the concept of taking a QB early.

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Rebecca's picture

May 26, 2021 at 12:45 pm

Funny

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HankScorpio's picture

May 26, 2021 at 06:29 am

Those WRs are making a poor career choice to skip OTAs, IMO. I suspect there is something more to the story as well.

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Slim11's picture

May 26, 2021 at 07:28 am

Agreed, especially with respect to Funchess and ESB. ESB needs the work given his numbers last season and Funchess needs the work since he opted out of the 2020 season.

Adams, Lazard and MVS...who knows?

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Razer's picture

May 26, 2021 at 07:42 am

Totally agree Hank. Some of those guys need all the workouts they can get - not to mention the bonus. Power plays like this don't endear the contract givers to those looking for contracts.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

May 26, 2021 at 10:39 am

I don't blame Adams. He's in a contract year. He should be trying to stay healthy whenever possible.

ESB on the other hand. LOL

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CoachDino's picture

May 26, 2021 at 05:07 pm

Good point on Adams...

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Swisch's picture

May 26, 2021 at 11:11 am

I wonder if all the wide receivers not named Davante Adams may secretly be at least somewhat happy if Aaron Rodgers goes to another team, because it would seem they would get more targets.
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The WRs may feel as though they need to show loyalty to Rodgers in case he does come back. They wouldn't want to be on his bad side.
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Other than Davante, none of these receivers holding out are good enough to skip anything with the Packers. In other words, these other guys should be at OTAs (and Davante, too, although he may know he's being traded with Rodgers.)
Sometimes you have to make an individual decision that goes against the group. If the group doesn't respect that, then too bad. I'm not saying it's easy to go against the group, but it shows character.
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It makes me mad that these WRs aren't getting experience with Jordan Love. (By the way, who is there at that position?) Ultimately, I'll go with the guys who want to play for the Packers. . . and yes, I lived with and loved the Packers during the 1970s and 1980s, even in the suburbs of Chicago. I'd hate to go there again, but I'd risk it rather than having a team of divas.
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It may be easier for a team like the Broncos to trade for an older quarterback like Rodgers if they also get Davante. It increases their short-term odds of getting a Super Bowl. In the long term, though, it's two huge paychecks.

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Coldworld's picture

May 26, 2021 at 11:13 am

I don’t think Adams or the true vets as much. They know the system and this is usually about installation and focused on the newer players (and some vets for physical work reasons). I’m very surprised to see players like ESB and Funchess not turning up. I’d add others like Sammuel and Hollman.

I do understand that there are different attitudes to the union and Covid (we know Funchess at least has done family issues) and the unions call, but we’re I them, I’d be there come he’ll or high water if I want to make this team.

I find it affecting my view of ESB, Samuels and others despite the above. If it is the Union, I think that it really did guys like that a disservice on this occasion. I’d rethink if I were a marginal player.

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egbertsouse's picture

May 26, 2021 at 06:30 am

Another reality denier who thinks that a HOF QB is just another “employee.” And Michael Jackson was just another “singer.” And the Beatles were just another “band.” Nice, simple view of the world as it existed in 1900.

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Savage57's picture

May 26, 2021 at 06:50 am

Capitulation isn't an option, and it never works.

Why? Because the person demanding adherence to their views or wishes is always someone weighing in after the fact, after someone else has put in the hard work and had to man up and make the decisions. Think Aaron Rodgers can run personnel for the Packers? Decide on draft picks, roster moves, FA signings? Think again.

He has enough on his plate, trying to not to overlook a wide open Allen Lazard on two of three GTG plays late in the NFCCG, when he was fixated on Davante Adams.

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mrtundra's picture

May 26, 2021 at 08:50 am

Rodgers either needs to hand the ball off to a RB or pass to his receivers on every down. Maybe run the ball himself, if the opportunity presents itself. That's all he needs on his plate. Keep it simple and avoid the head games.

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4thandinches's picture

May 26, 2021 at 11:59 am

Don't sell Rodgers short. He and Giannis also need to be in constant communication about who the Bucks are going to draft next year and which players to offer contract extensions to... Haha!

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Johnblood27's picture

May 26, 2021 at 08:55 am

See - Agreement, Munich... for all the evidence needed.

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JerseyAl's picture

May 26, 2021 at 07:34 am

That's pretty funny. You've created an alternate reality with your hyperbolic examples that have zero relevance to a football team. The question becomes, should Rodgers decide on roster spots and draft picks? If you are saying yes, then that fits into your alternate reality. In that case, we will never agree, and that's fine.

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greengold's picture

May 26, 2021 at 07:50 am

Al, do you spin your revolver when you return it to your hip holster?

Asking for a friend...

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JerseyAl's picture

May 26, 2021 at 08:09 am

Ha! I actually shot a gun for the first time last year - went to a shooting range with a friend. It was fun and all, but that's as close as I ever want to get to a gun. Not my thing.

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greengold's picture

May 26, 2021 at 09:02 am

I just pictured you spinning that sucker back into your holster, still smoking, while simultaneously adjusting the placement of the stogie in the corner of your mouth, with a snarl...

Somewhere, off in the distance, a flute plays... Wahhh- wah-wah!!!!!!!!!!!

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JerseyAl's picture

May 26, 2021 at 09:11 am

I get the symbolism, but I'm not into guns OR cigars.

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TarynsEyes's picture

May 26, 2021 at 09:44 am

That sound wasn't made from a flute.
https://youtu.be/enuOArEfqGo

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Rebecca's picture

May 26, 2021 at 01:02 pm

Well done Taryn. Those Danes have a sense of humor.

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greengold's picture

May 26, 2021 at 02:33 pm

TarynsEyes, that is FANTASTIC!!!

So what are we talking about then? A piccolo and some other kind of thing...?

I had no idea I was being scrutinized so heavily. whoosh.

btw, thank you for sharing that. Made my day.

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fish's picture

May 26, 2021 at 06:00 pm

Best youtube comment:

Palazzo Villanova
3 months ago (edited)
A danish orchestra, conducted by a japanese, plays the music from a movie made by an italian, filmed in spain, financed by germans, and somehow it becomes the essence of America.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 27, 2021 at 04:59 am

Agreed. Saw this on you tube. The Danish symphony does Once Upon A Time In The West and For a Few Dollars More and some others as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enuOArEfqGo

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HankScorpio's picture

May 26, 2021 at 07:59 am

"You've created an alternate reality with your hyperbolic examples that have zero relevance to a football team. "

Yeah, there is a lot of that going around lately. I bet the people that made the point thought it was brilliant. Which would demonstrate the same (lack of) self awareness as Rodgers showed when he turned his spat with management into a struggle of the "people" for recognition.

I have zero clues how you compare the Beatles to the Green Bay Packers on an organizational level.

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gkarl's picture

May 26, 2021 at 08:14 am

"I have zero clue how you compare the Beatles to the GBP on an organization level."

Yoko thought she was making decision for the band and AR thinks the same thing for GBP???

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greengold's picture

May 26, 2021 at 08:46 am

Wish I could say I didn't see that one coming...!

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dobber's picture

May 26, 2021 at 08:56 am

I'm sure that there's a whole contingent of posters here who are saying, "Who's Yoko?"

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greengold's picture

May 26, 2021 at 09:06 am

FFS. hahahahaha. Yeah.

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Since'61's picture

May 26, 2021 at 10:22 am

Cookie for Dobber!!! Thanks, Since '61

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

May 26, 2021 at 10:42 am

Wouldn't it be great if we could all say "Who's Yoko?"

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porupack's picture

May 26, 2021 at 01:01 pm

Yeah, that tire company, right?

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Johnblood27's picture

May 26, 2021 at 08:57 am

She broke up the band...

just sayin...

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Coldworld's picture

May 26, 2021 at 11:43 am

But she made John complete

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TarynsEyes's picture

May 26, 2021 at 01:45 pm

Just two guru's in drag.

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Packerpasty's picture

May 26, 2021 at 11:01 am

they do have relevance and it isn't the early years of football...superstars pull a lot of weight and they should, they bring in the money to the organization...theyre not just workers who should "shut up and play"...all you old guys with this mentality aren't in the reality of 2021....simple...

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PeteK's picture

May 26, 2021 at 04:38 pm

I don't think anyone is saying that. Stars, especially successful veteran QBs should have a say. However, Rodgers is going too far with his antics of Beautiful mystery and leaks before the draft. This should have been dealt with already. If he wants a trade or retirement say it already and let the team go on with its future.

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Coldworld's picture

May 26, 2021 at 11:25 am

Technically, all Hall of Fame QBs are former employees.

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CoachDino's picture

May 26, 2021 at 05:41 pm

Really, you think they weren't Divas in 1900? There have most likely been Divas for thousands of years. Being great at one thing means one thing, your great at that. Doesn't prove diddly about your abilities outside of that. Question: you own a business. You have an employee that earns more money for you than any other in the history of the Business. Do you make him your partner, pay him the same salary as yourself, have that employee run areas of the company in which they have no experience? Sure if they could leave you and start their own but if not? I think we know the answer for 99% of business owners out there.

What do you do? You make them the highest paid person for their position in the entire industry. And you continue to do so until when? let's say this employee is no longer the best of the best and is nearing retirement? Do you start to groom someone for the position? Or do you just keep paying that person top dollar until they decide to leave and then and only then do you find their replacement.

PS...AR isn't his own boss like a band or singer. He is an employee and has been compensated better than any other past or future HOF QB to date. Employee and Owner are two different things in reality.

If your reality is that "Special talent" needs special treatment, I'm with ya and my guy its been happening since the beginning of time. But don't confuse special treatment with more than compensation and some perks. AR deserved his contracts he never deserved a position in management. Now someday maybe he will become a football team owner but the last time that happened was closer to 1900 than 2021. Jim Thorpe, Curly Lambeau type days. You would be going backwards no forwards.

Did I miss something, was it ever reported that AR was willing to be paid less in exchange for more personnel input?

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 27, 2021 at 05:21 am

I don't agree with you on AR overall, but this is your best point. [Deletes rest of the comment since it turned into a rebuttal.]

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greengold's picture

May 28, 2021 at 05:03 am

Superstar stuff, Dino. Well put.

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Johnblood27's picture

May 27, 2021 at 07:21 am

and Vasco Da Gama was just another sailor...

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Savage57's picture

May 26, 2021 at 06:34 am

At this point, no one knows the reason for the absence of the top WR's from OTA's in concert with Rodgers, but if it turns out it's part of a "mutiny", well, let's just say it's another reason for concern for the franchise.

Typically the leader of a mutiny isn't allowed to remain on board the ship, with the captain asking him, "So now that things are settled, where do you want to head and how do you think we should get there?"

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Johnblood27's picture

May 26, 2021 at 09:00 am

unless said mutineer is successful and is now Captain...

again, just sayin...

according to the woke-millennial-socialist attitude expressed here that everyone deserves to have a hand on the steering wheel, leadership doesn't exist and everyone is equal and deserves a voice. Thanks social media (worthless garbage), tweet that!

Oh yeah, still stay OFF my yard!

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Coldworld's picture

May 26, 2021 at 11:38 am

Fletcher Christian?

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Rebecca's picture

May 26, 2021 at 01:08 pm

Aye Aye Cap’n Crunch!

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 27, 2021 at 05:25 am

The ones that showed up I guess would be scabs and the others would be members in good standing with the union.

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

May 26, 2021 at 09:26 am

You make a very benign captain.

I would max ask the leader of the mutiny: "which side of the ship would you like to walk the plank?" and then make him walk the plank on the other side.

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HarryHodag's picture

May 26, 2021 at 06:38 am

I wouldn't read too much into the OTA's. Would Adams gain much from it(other than some cash?). Funchess is the only surprise. Does he think he has a roster spot aced? Good luck.

Rodgers: June 1 can't come fast enough.

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Johnblood27's picture

May 26, 2021 at 09:04 am

Remember that there are NO WR under contract for next year (except Amari Rodgers on a rookie deal), so with no future security voluntary activities become opportunities for career altering injuries and are to be avoided.

The coincidence is that there are no WR under contract going forward, not that WR are missing OTA at the same time as [email protected]

One of my favorites... Correlation does NOT mean causation.

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greengold's picture

May 26, 2021 at 09:13 am

I see what you're doing there, but, DEN holding out their entire DL is too much correlation, rockin' through my brain. Too much correlation, drivin' me insane!

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dobber's picture

May 26, 2021 at 09:17 am

...and then the Packers redo Dean Lowry's deal.

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greengold's picture

May 26, 2021 at 09:22 am

Hey!!!! You got pee in my cornflakes!!!!!!

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dobber's picture

May 26, 2021 at 09:29 am

Sorry...I was aiming for your orange juice... ;)

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 27, 2021 at 05:26 am

Wrong website or I could turn that comment green!

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Lphill's picture

May 26, 2021 at 06:42 am

The packers played deep into the playoffs like they usually do and lost like they they usually do so if a few veterans skip OTA's big deal , happens all around the league.

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stockholder's picture

May 26, 2021 at 06:51 am

The MVP award said it all. Suspicious - Oh I'm all in! I do hope Arron Rodgers retires. Stop the Drama, Cry baby , put downs, and slams. Just Retire and break the chain. He doesn't have anything more to prove. The point is: How many Pro football players are left after he goes. And you don't have to be classy when management isn't.

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Coldworld's picture

May 26, 2021 at 11:42 am

I’m no fan of Murphy, but I do think the Packers management’s has more class than many around the league.

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stockholder's picture

May 26, 2021 at 06:49 pm

Alex Smith- Disrespected. after 16 years.

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greengold's picture

May 26, 2021 at 07:03 am

There’s no “mutiny,” no “I got Aaron’s back,” with the WRs not present at OTAs.

This is business, and those players are potential assets for inclusion in an AR trade. DEN held out their entire starting DL, along with other players from OTAs as well. Why would either team expose players the other side might want or expressed interest in while putting together a potential trade?

This shit is goin’ down, man!

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JerseyAl's picture

May 26, 2021 at 07:26 am

You've concocted an interesting conspiracy theory. Well done!

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greengold's picture

May 26, 2021 at 07:36 am

Actually, Al, “conspiracy “ carries a negative connotation. I don’t see it that way. For AR or the Packers.

A trade right now does work pretty damn well for both DEN and GB. It also works great for Rodgers. This all seems pretty symbiotic. It made sense before the draft, and it looks like the Broncos & Packers are just putting the finishing touches on this. Seems plausible. Very much so.

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 26, 2021 at 08:04 am

Quite Q-ute

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dobber's picture

May 26, 2021 at 08:40 am

Except that there's no way this could be happening behind closed doors right now and not have been leaked. No way.

Don't get me wrong: I'm not saying it won't happen. I'm not saying it can't happen. But if this was happening as long as a month ago, there would be credible leaks by this stage....and at this point, there have been none.

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HankScorpio's picture

May 26, 2021 at 09:00 am

Agreed. Something this big would be out there. It is possible that a circle as small as Gute, Murphy and ML could be in agreement to make it so on or after June 1. But the minute that circle expands, the chances of it staying secret go out the window.

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dobber's picture

May 26, 2021 at 09:16 am

The contract people would need to be involved to work cap implications. ARod, when dealt (it's a when, not an if), will definitely need his contract redone, and no one would deal for him without having those talks with his reps. The medical staffs. Unless it's just #12 for picks, it's too broad a swath of research that would need to be done on players.

Could this deal happen June 1? Yes. I just don't see it as something that could have been agreed upon in principle a month ago...or being very fully developed even now.

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greengold's picture

May 26, 2021 at 09:35 am

Why not? Let's say John Elway and his GM George Paton get on the phone and ask Gutekunst, "What do you want for Aaron Rodgers?" Let's say Gutekunst replies, shares they can't complete a deal until after June 1st, and Elway & Paton say, "DONE!"

What would you say that was? What would Gutekunst ask for? 3 R1s and R2 and Jerry Jeudy or Bradley Chubb? I could see DEN saying "YES!" straight out of the gate...

I'd imagine they've had all kind of on going talks since. That's why we're seeing these prominent players on both sides not practicing in OTAs. DEN truly is a perfect trading partner for the Packers, if Green Bay wants anything in return for Aaron Rodgers.

It is quite possibly a good reason why we didn't add DL or ILB until Day 3... seems to fit.

Kind of funny, Nags wanted Baron Browning in the worst way during the draft. Maybe he gets his PAPPY's after all!!!

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YouAskedForThis's picture

May 26, 2021 at 06:18 pm

Gute should grab the phone and say " Jerry Krause here" if nothing else just to break the tension.

That said, Rodgers referring to Gutekunst as Jerry Krause would intimate that he(Rodgers) is Michael Jordan. Uh - NO . I hate Chicago as much as the next cheesehead, but Jordan was the ultimate closer. He would have more than 1 NFCC win, he would not have failed from 1st and goal from the 8yd line on 3 consecutive plays, he would not have missed a wide open Lazard, or a wide open Jamal Williams...at crunch time. Big Time Players Make Big Time Plays ... WHEN IT MATTERS.

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greengold's picture

May 26, 2021 at 09:21 am

It's not like the Packers were going to share this with their web development team... Of course it was kept behind closed doors, with only the most primary players involved: Gutey, Murphy, Ball, LaFleur, maybe a couple of other coaches, like Joe Barry, etc., and Rodgers in the know.

IMO, Rodgers let the cat out of the bag when he blew up Draft Day 1. Most were stymied. Shocked. That's only natural.

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Since'61's picture

May 26, 2021 at 11:13 am

"Up to 3 people can keep a secret providing 2 of them are dead." Benjamin Franklin

The Packers FO may be able to pull if off. But on the Denver side it would leak because someone would either be too excited and/or want credit for knowing about the deal. It could also be a matter of the Packers waiting to see how Love looks during the OTAs before pulling the trigger.

My concern at this point is that if the Packers don't pull off a deal that Rodgers retires and we end up with no return. That would be a total loss for the Packers. We have about a week to go and then we'll know.
Thanks, Since '61

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Coldworld's picture

May 26, 2021 at 11:49 am

I’d like Greenhold to be right, but I think you may be closer, and that this will drag on and get uglier and lead to a less good outcome than a generous early trade. I am not sure Rodgers plays this year if it isn’t here and I fear we will end up paying him at least after fines.

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greengold's picture

May 26, 2021 at 12:37 pm

Nah, Coldworld. I wouldn't be too concerned about that. These are smart teams who know what they want. Both DEN and GB. They are going to cut through all the BS like a hot knife through butter.

That perspective Since'61 shared is leaving out consideration for the needs on the other side of a proposed trade.

DEN wants this done, quickly. Expediting completion of an Aaron Rodgers trade that looks to have been consummated prior to the draft is important to the Broncos who are looking to finally be legitimate competitors in their division, after 6 years without a playoff win.

I think this gets done next week.

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greengold's picture

May 26, 2021 at 01:00 pm

Hey Since'61,

I think the trade is definitely happening. Denver wants AR badly. Too much seems to fit for this to not happen. The Broncos have built a Top 10 Defense, and they have no one reliable to run their offense.

DEN holding out key players that would fit the Packers roster adds some credence to the possibility. Vic Fangio is mum on everything just like Matt LaFleur is. There really doesn't need to be that many people in the know at this point. Players are traded all the time with physicals pending. I'm sure the principals are hammering out the details now.

Regardless, players from both sides sitting out is a pretty big development if they fit trade scenarios/discussions between the two teams. 6 days away from June 1st fits the timeline one would expect in discussing additional players in a proposed deal. Holding select players out would have to be considered an indicator of a larger trade being discussed. Wouldn't it?

BRONCOS
OT/OG Dalton Risner
CB Kyle Fuller
SLB Bradley Chubb
NT Mike Purcell
DE Shelby Harris
ILB Baron Browning
WR Courtland Sutton was in attendance but did not participate

PACKERS
OT David Bakhtiari
WR Davante Adams
WR Allen Lazard
WR MVS
WR ESB
WR Devin Funchess
CB Jaire Alexander
CB Ka'dar Hollman
S Stanford Samuels
CB Kevin King was in attendance but did not participate.

Look at this from Denver's perspective. They are about to give up a ton of assets in exchange for the reigning NFL MVP QB, Aaron Rodgers, and very likely, judging by the list we see there, a WR or two. Why? Because they know time is precious, and they want to compete immediately with their division rivals, KC, LV, SD... They are going to want to consummate this deal quickly, in order to get players in TC, while having some time to fill remaining roster holes via FA, and work out contract extensions, etc.

Both teams are poised to make runs.

The Packers have an interest in getting this deal done quickly as well, being they have a new DC and a new system for everyone to learn. DEN held out mostly defensive players.

This is all looking very much like two or three players from each team being exchanged, along with a bunch of picks headed the Packers way to close it out. We'll see.

DEN has players. A lot of good players to offer. They may prefer to include more marquee players than future picks.

I'm super curious to see how many of Aaron's friends he can get John Elway to trade for in this deal? What is this haul going to be, for both teams? The Packers are in a very good position right now to make a solid deal for both now, and the future.

This is just the kind of deal John Elway would make right now, and he has the cap space, the players and the picks to pull it off.

Time is of the essence. Especially in this deal. Just a guess...

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Since'61's picture

May 27, 2021 at 11:23 pm

I’ve been following sports too long to eliminate any possibility. Anything can happen. We could see a trade, a retirement, a new agreement between Rodgers and the Packers, or a long, drawn out hold out.

If the trade happens I won’t be surprised but I won’t be surprised by any of the other alternatives either.
Thanks, Since ‘61

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greengold's picture

May 28, 2021 at 05:10 am

Since ‘61, I like what you’re saying here. That’s something I can easily relate to as well.

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HankScorpio's picture

May 26, 2021 at 03:14 pm

"My concern at this point is that if the Packers don't pull off a deal that Rodgers retires and we end up with no return. That would be a total loss for the Packers. "

Not total. They'd recover about $30 mil in actual dollars and cap space. Probably not until the 2022 cap. So no help this year.

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stockholder's picture

May 26, 2021 at 07:37 pm

It's not the Win Win Gute hoped for. That is why Rodgers should retire. Barry Sanders turned away from the money. And if that 30 mil becomes available. Watch how many want to renegotiate their contracts. I guarantee Alexander, Adams ,and Smith. will eat it up. And this team won't have an MVP QB.

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Rebecca's picture

May 26, 2021 at 07:16 am

If you downplay the absence of veterans at OTAs even if they are giving up $, then maybe OTAs in general are a waste of time, the bonuses are too low as an incentive, or the teams is afraid of injuries to their essential players doing little.. Maybe the veterans just think flying back to GB for some bullshit “activities” is beneath them. I see some problems ahead. There’s more than a little unrest in Green Bay. It’s not as if Aaron Rodgers the Great is back in town saying, This is the year folks. I’m so happy to be back for another year to lead the most treasured franchise in the history of the world to the 14th Championship of the NFL.”.

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nostradanus's picture

May 26, 2021 at 07:58 am

I agree with you Rebecca, I believe there is a problem in Green Bay bubbling below the surface. This started when Mr Murphy appointed himself King. When he was hired as team President it was made clear that his job was as the top administrator (not a sudo owner).
The "Silos" he spoke of tearing down, he built higher and now there is a BIG problem in Green Bay which Rodgers has brought to light. Mr Murphy, tear down your silo's!

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Johnblood27's picture

May 26, 2021 at 09:08 am

Words - they mean things.

pseu·do
/ˈso͞odō/
Learn to pronounce
DEROGATORY
adjective
not genuine; spurious or sham.
"we are talking about real journalists and not the pseudo kind"
Similar:
bogus
sham
phoney
imitation
artificial
mock
ersatz
quasi-
fake
feigned
pretended
false
faux
spurious
counterfeit
fraudulent
deceptive
misleading
assumed
contrived
affected
insincere
pretend
put-on
fakey
cod
Opposite:
genuine
noun
a pretentious or insincere person.
"the artsy chat of a campus pseudo"
Definitions from Oxford Languages

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nostradanus's picture

May 26, 2021 at 10:54 am

Thanks for the spell check, but I’m sure you got the meaning anyway :)

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Johnblood27's picture

May 27, 2021 at 06:56 am

nuthin personal Nostra, just doin my part to update the millennial faction...

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PeteK's picture

May 26, 2021 at 06:08 pm

Hmmm, very fitting indeed.

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Johnblood27's picture

May 27, 2021 at 06:54 am

3 illiterates and proud of it and one sign of intelligent life out there.

Better ratio than actually exists in the inter-web I think! I'll take it!

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Johnblood27's picture

May 26, 2021 at 09:08 am

Love the Reagan call out!

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HawkPacker's picture

May 26, 2021 at 06:02 pm

Not sure who all caught that. Pretty good JB.

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Coldworld's picture

May 26, 2021 at 12:04 pm

Aaron Jones seemed surprised when that was hinted. I think I will listen to him not a poster who only sees sunshine from Rodgers and views anything not Rodgers laudatory as conspiracy while leaping on this one. Maybe a little more football not players watching might help. This from someone who doesn’t like the structure either. It’s not the culprit here though.

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Fabio's picture

May 26, 2021 at 11:01 am

Rebecca I love you (LOL)

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Coldworld's picture

May 26, 2021 at 11:56 am

If I recall some coaches and teams excuse certain vets from some or all OTAs in established systems to focus on newer players and basic installations.

This year there is also the Union telling players not to turn up, whether veteran or not. I’m not sure if any vet other than Rodgers has missed any virtual sessions or not.

So yes OTAs have value, just not equally to all players or teams in any given year. Some vets have big bonuses for attending (often big bodies) some do not.

Non attendance this year could mean any of the above. It wouldn’t be particularly unusual for vets and the Union shouldn’t be overlooked as a factor either.

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PeteK's picture

May 26, 2021 at 06:27 pm

So our star QB has stated that he is not showing up this season and the WRs choose to not show up to work on timing with the possible starting QBs( hopefully they know more than we do). Also, that buffoon Funchess has not had one practice with this offense and thinks sitting out is a good idea. I would cut the simpleton immediately. This is starting to resemble a drama series where writers keep adding more BS to keep us engaged, except my patience is growing very thin.

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hacksaw61's picture

May 26, 2021 at 08:32 pm

Maybe i missed it, but I don't recall Aaron ever stating that he wasn't showing up this season. As a matter of fact, I don't recall him ever addressing this "situation" directly. All this is conjecture and the over active imagination of some sports journalists. Perhaps we should just wait and see. That can save us all a few wrinkles in our panties from getting them in a bunch. On a lighter note, I love what I ha e been seeing from the kids in OTAs.

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PeteK's picture

May 27, 2021 at 10:06 am

Rod knows what is being reported, but has not said that he is reporting in order to put an end to the speculation. I envy you for not letting any of these shenanigans bother you.

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greengold's picture

May 26, 2021 at 07:28 am

Seems reasonable, if this trade is happening, that DEN would want WRs included in a deal, ones who understand what to do with a simple look, ones who have those communications already established with Rodgers.

Elway gets this, and sees that as another coveted asset. Especially if DEN is looking to “hit the ground running” to overtake Mahomes & KC, who they are 0-11 against.

For the Packers, new WRs are going to be more acceptable in trade, as none but the 2nd/3rd stringers have even practiced with Jordan Love. The only difference being all of our guys know LaFleur’s system.

That being the case, the price should only increase.

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HankScorpio's picture

May 26, 2021 at 07:42 am

I still think the most likely ending of all this is Rodgers playing for GB in 2021. But both trading him and him retiring are not exactly longshots, IMO. More like 50% he plays in GB and 25% each to trade or retire.

He's the reigning MVP. They cannot give him away. Would a team pay that price for a guy acting like he's acting? Maybe, maybe not. Is he serious enough to give them back $30 mil (ish) to retire? Maybe, maybe not.

Just my 2 cents. And probably over-valued at that price. :)

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greengold's picture

May 26, 2021 at 08:03 am

You are sharing a perspective I think most fans are willing to allow: just give us one more year and another shot at the Super Bowl, then Rodgers can walk off into the sunset with Denver, or whoever else trades for our Super Bowl winning QB...

Right?

You know who that doesn’t work out for? Aaron Rodgers and the Denver Broncos.

John Elway is President of Football Operations there. Do you think Elway will be afraid to pull the trigger on a trade like that? That big, with multiple players and picks involved? I don’t.

Wait another year and the value of your coveted asset in AR goes down. That is one less year another team has to work with him at a high level.

GB has a willing suitor now in DEN, with the assets the Packers could use. It appears to be happening. Could be one of the biggest trades in NFL history.

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 26, 2021 at 08:08 am

Elway whiffed on Lock and Andy Reid will still dominate the West for years with Mahomes. Best for Big John to move along down the road.

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Coldworld's picture

May 26, 2021 at 12:08 pm

I agree, but Greengold’s vision might be our only way to get anything of note for Rodgers, so I hope he’s right even if I doubt.

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 26, 2021 at 08:16 pm

The guy has Stockholm syndrome.

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jurp's picture

May 26, 2021 at 08:24 am

A trade at this point could be epic and history-making, especially if it turned out huge for either or both of the teams involved.

This would be Elway's opportunity to create a lasting impact, a "Vince Lombardi" moment for the Broncos, with every fan remembering his name for being both a Super Bowl winning QB AND for bringing years and years of success and championships. He would probably get a statue in front of the stadium.

Of course, this could also be Elway's "Dan Devine" moment, when he brought in am aging QB who started well and then fell off a cliff, costing the team 10 years of futility.

In my mind, the trade is far riskier for Denver than for GB, and would help GB far more than Denver (I would hold the opposite opinion if AR were 5 years younger). GB would be without prime-era AR in about 3 years anyway, regardless of whether it picked Love or not - this just accelerates the transition timetable. Denver, OTOH would be trading long-term assets for a short window of opportunity. AR would just use a trade to build yet another chip for his shoulder (GB didn't value me, even after I led them nearly to the promised land! I;ll show them with my improved play and take DEN to the SB!).

If I were a GM, would I make the trade? No. But Elway isn't me, and I think he'll do it.

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HankScorpio's picture

May 26, 2021 at 08:48 am

"You are sharing a perspective I think most fans are willing to allow: just give us one more year and another shot at the Super Bowl, then Rodgers can walk off into the sunset"

Not exactly, I think the Packers SB chances with Aaron Rodgers are done. This rift going public has closed the window, whether he plays again or not. Again, my opinion.

Having said that, all things considered, I don't see his time in GB ending just yet. Too much money and pressure involved. It took massive guts for TT to move on from Favre. I'm not sure Gute has that same fortitude. Or maybe he does but doesn't have the confidence in Love that TT had in Rodgers. Like I said, the price needs to be huge. Maybe nobody will pay it.

For his part, I don't think Rodgers wants to pay to not play. So if the rubber hits the road, retirement won't happen. He certainly can afford it. And he's a different kind of dude. So maybe.

All that leaves me thinking the most likely result is one more futile shot at a Lombardi. Whether is ends close to the prize or not so close to it, it will end without the prize, IMO

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dobber's picture

May 26, 2021 at 09:09 am

"I think the Packers SB chances with Aaron Rodgers are done. "

The Packers are a better team in 2021, and will finish with a better record, with ARod under C than any other QB on the roster. I don't think anyone is going to deny that. He gives the team the best shot at a deep playoff run. Are they likely to win an SB with ARod in 2021? Probably not...but you can say that about the SB chances of virtually every team. The Packers are at least in that upper echelon of teams that probably won't win it and have a puncher's chance of getting there--but only with ARod.

Bottom line is that the Kenny Mayne interview was ARod trying to save his public face. He's trying to make this seem like a crusade against the big-bad organization: he loves the fans, he loves his teammates, he loves the city, he loves the coaches...but who doesn't he love? He's losing the public opinion battle, and I think that's bothering him. In the end, he's never been the public hero that #4 was...and public opinion was slow to turn on Favre over his later years in GB. I think that's a problem for someline like Rodgers who seems to have a fragile ego. This is in part why he won't retire (only to un-retire, because I don't see him being done): his public image would take an even bigger hit.

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Razer's picture

May 26, 2021 at 09:54 am

Well said Dobber. Turning this into a circus (reminds me of someone else) doesn't do anybody any good. Turning it into a public laundry event is even less productive. At this point, fans really don't care what your grip(s) is. People just want to know if you want to win a Super Bowl with this team. Management has done a decent job of making another run possible, in large part for you to be successful. WTF buddy.

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Coldworld's picture

May 26, 2021 at 12:15 pm

I’d like to think you are right and that Rodgers will tow this back and get on and play. I think if he does we probably missed a player or two that could make the difference this year.

I also think that in doing this he will have burned bridges internally that will come back to haunt him when his play or availability declined or if Love starts to look as he did prior to Favre leaving.

Overall, I just don’t see any happy ending. Rodgers will really screw himself and the team if he hadn’t already begun to. So I raise my half empty glass to your optimism bring triumphant over how I think this will go.

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greengold's picture

May 26, 2021 at 09:55 am

Hank & dobber, I think neither of your narratives wash, respectfully.

Aaron Rodgers has a new fiancé from Boulder, a 30 minute drive from the Broncos stadium. He doesn't want to play for the Packers. He's sat at home for the last 10 years, watching other QBs like Manning and Brady finish out the endings of their careers with different teams while winning Super Bowls.

Rodgers stated publicly through Adam Schefter that he won't return to play for the Packers. He has not poured any water on those flames.

Do you think he's going to cave, and suit up again for the Packers, so Green Bay's Front Office can hoist the Lombardi Trophy? Hell no. Aaron Rodgers wants to stick it to Mark Murphy and Brian Gutekunst, and attempt to win it all in Denver.

Let him try. Meanwhile, we'll be the ones with a top 10 defense, ready to put that shit to bed, and win the Lombardi Trophy ourselves.

Something else to add here: Do you think the NFL wouldn't LOVE this kind of Battle Royale being set up with one of, if not the biggest trades in NFL history to kick off their 2021 season? You know they are all over this.

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PeteK's picture

May 26, 2021 at 06:32 pm

Trade Rod to Dallas and let's see how he feels about that FO.

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dobber's picture

May 26, 2021 at 08:42 am

I'm about where you are, Hank, except that I give ARod about a 10% chance of retiring.

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Coldworld's picture

May 26, 2021 at 12:17 pm

Retiring would be clean, but do you mean that or sitting out (willingly or after a return for pay reasons and being sent home with the latter the more likely)?

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

May 26, 2021 at 10:45 am

Retiring is a long shot. Unless 'the people' are going to pay the Packers back 30M of signing bonus on ARs behalf.

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HankScorpio's picture

May 26, 2021 at 11:15 am

That's just the out of pocket cost for Rodgers to retire in the form of paying back bonuses. There is also the matter of him not getting paid his 2021 salary, which bumps the difference in his bank account to around $45 mil. Throw in another $50 mil in lost 2022 and 2023 salary, if you want to go that far.

He should have plenty to lead a comfortable life, even an extravagant Hollywood life with his new fiancé. But that's still a big chunk.

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 26, 2021 at 08:20 pm

That's the equity position of his Malibu Shack.

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nostradanus's picture

May 26, 2021 at 08:02 am

GG/Rodgers isn't going anywhere (this year) this will all simmer down and he will show up towards the end of training camp because the Packers will not budge from their plan which is to cut bait with him after "ONE LAST RUN IN 21" , hey that should be a bumper sticker or at least a T-shirt.

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nostradanus's picture

May 26, 2021 at 07:43 am

Voluntary OTA’s & WR not showing: Yes it sounds like the receivers not showing up were making some type of a solidarity statement supporting their quarterback.... whatever....

O. Line: No big surprises here, when they signed Turner to that big deal I think they planned on putting him at right tackle all along, he’s better at tackle than at guard anyway.

A J Dillon: Dude is impressive looking in shorts that’s for sure, I don't want to tackle that!

P Smith: I think Preston put on some Covid weight last year, I think a lot of the athletes weren’t in tiptop shape not knowing if there was even going to be an NFL season. I think we can give Preston a break on this one, I put on about 10 pounds myself ha ha

Drama with Mr. Hollywood Rodgers: Rodgers has had a big year he was the MVP he hosted jeopardy and he got engaged, his head is swimming with wonderful endorphins right now and he’s on top of the world!
Good for him, Now get your ass in shape, get to training camp and show us why you’re the MVP superstar! Reality check for Mr Rodgers, you are 1 & 4 in Championship games so finish the deal and go win another damn Super Bowl!!!!!!!

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dobber's picture

May 26, 2021 at 08:44 am

"I think we can give Preston a break on this one, I put on about 10 pounds myself ha ha"

What did your sack numbers look like?

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nostradanus's picture

May 26, 2021 at 10:42 am

My pants numbers went up haha

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 26, 2021 at 11:11 am

The Covid 19# in some cases

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

May 26, 2021 at 10:46 am

"whatever...."

IDK man. I heard about ESB not being there and I though the FO would immediately cave...

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Packerpasty's picture

May 26, 2021 at 11:04 am

and without him another bowl appearance or maybe even playoffs may be a long time coming...with him they are a legit playoff/super bowl team, without him.....ugh...

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Coldworld's picture

May 26, 2021 at 05:22 pm

Because of this year and last year’s draft and the work that the NFL has done on the roster? Surely that’s the only reason to think we’d be better this year.

Interesting contradictions ..

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RCPackerFan's picture

May 26, 2021 at 07:57 am

Here, Not Here
Ok, if Adams doesn't want to come ok, I get it. If MVS doesn't want to come, ok, I somewhat get it. Lazard I don't get nearly as much, and I especially don't get EQ and Funchess not being there. Those 2 guys are fighting for roster spots and they aren't there. You know who else is there. Reggie Begelton, Malik Taylor. Guys that could push those guys out.

Offensive Line:
I was intrigued with moving Jenkins to LT, Runyan at LG, Myers at OC, Patrick at RG, and Turner at RT. If Bakhtiari can't go I think this will be the starting 5.

Two AJs
I can't wait to see the 2 AJ's this year. I could see this year the running game rivalling the 2003 running game.
Big AJ's calves are bigger then little AJ's thighs.

A Brand New Smith?
It appears Preston is ready for his big year again. If you look at his career every other year he has a big sack year. His first year he had 8 sacks, then 4.5, then 8, then 4, then 12, then 4. Now will be his time to have 8 or 12.

Save the drama for... well, not your mama... someone else I guess:
If he wants them to make a change, what better time then try to get them to do it then right now. Last year he proved that he didn't anything more then a training camp to have an MVP year. He has the leverage right now to do what he wants. Basically we are in a wait and see movement.
Also, this isn't about Jordan Love, yet everything that is happening now was put in motion a year ago? So its not about Jordan Love the player but the draft pick of the QB was why this is going on now?

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JamesLofton's picture

May 26, 2021 at 08:24 am

Aaron Rodgers contradicted himself by saying it was nothing to do with Love but yet all this started a year ago? Not as clever you think you are AR.

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RCPackerFan's picture

May 26, 2021 at 09:55 am

Yup. I thought it was funny as a guy who likes to think he is the smartest in the room at all times, he clearly contradicted himself.

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stockholder's picture

May 26, 2021 at 12:08 pm

I don't think it has anything to with Love, as a player. He said so at draft time. And he did ask to be traded first. This isn't the knights of the round Table. And It surly isn't 1 for All and All for 1. Wolf , Favre, and his teammates, went elsewhere. Regardless of the circumstances! Most people on this site; have turned him into M. Bennett. ( Per quitting on the team) Eventually Murphy and Gute will have egg on their faces if he retires. Not only for the trade they didn't make. But for their decisions; and handling of their best players. Break the chain.

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Razer's picture

May 26, 2021 at 08:03 am

The Rodgers thing is troubling and dangerous for the organization. He doesn't run the roster and his ego needs to go back into the box. The WR holdout thing is particularly worrisome. When Favre was doing his thing, the team got a chance to see Rodgers run the offense with the number ones - that made the "moving on" decision easier. Having the WR corps not show up en masse may be a manipulation of roster and this situation. If true, Rodgers should be traded to the Jets

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jurp's picture

May 26, 2021 at 08:29 am

I think three of the WRs won't be Packers in September anyway regardless of what happens with AR; OTOH, one of the other two may be a Bronco by then if a trade happens.

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greengold's picture

May 26, 2021 at 09:52 am

Razer, that is what makes me think this was a purposeful, planned hold out of our starting WRs from last year. Davante, of course, is a lock as our No. 1 WR. The rest? They have too much to battle for in terms of roster positions and their placement in the pecking order.

Makes zero sense for them to en masse hold out of OTAs. These guys aren't going to put their jobs on the line to make a statement in support of AR.

What does make sense is the Packers not allowing them to participate knowing a combination of them could be in play in a trade along with AR. My guess is those details are being worked out right now.

Same holds true for those defensive players on DEN's roster, who were not practicing with the rest of their teammates.

This is all pointing to a pretty big trade that is now in the works.

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Guam's picture

May 26, 2021 at 08:06 am

I am more than a bit suspicious about the WR's. Adams is reportedly foregoing a $500,000 workout bonus by skipping the voluntary OTAs. Not sure if the others have workout bonuses, but it is doubtful they would be substantial given their current contracts. As noted by others, Funchess and ESB need the work and need the exposure as they are not roster locks.

If Rodgers is in any way actively behind this "boycott", he needs to be traded and soon. He may be unhappy with the Packer organization, but he shouldn't be messing with other people's careers to advance his personal agenda. The WRs are not doing themselves any favors by missing voluntary OTA's, particularly if they need to start learning to work with a new QB1.

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Razer's picture

May 26, 2021 at 09:09 am

Totally agree Guam. Imagine the leverage that Rodgers could use if you, as a WR, decided to skip his boycott and attend the OTAs. You'd be the 4th read and competing against grounding the ball.

Like Favre, Rodgers has become the distraction. Are we working towards a Super Bowl season or cast members in a messed up teen drama?

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dobber's picture

May 26, 2021 at 08:50 am

"You'd be the 4th read on competing against grounding the ball."

But since ARod doesn't play preseason games, it wouldn't make much difference in their making the final cut...which is what some of these guys need to be worried about.

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PatB's picture

May 26, 2021 at 01:40 pm

I'm trying to imagine how this speculated conversation might have gone. "Hi Equanimeous, this is Aaron. I will not play for the Packers this year. Also, if you show up for OTAs, I will intentionally avoid throwing to you." I find that implausible.

ESB and Funchess are not roster locks. The front office has much more leverage on them than Rodgers does, whether or not he remains in Green Bay.

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Guam's picture

May 26, 2021 at 05:18 pm

If an actual conversation happened, it would be more like "support me in this effort and I will make you look great on the field which will help your next contract negotiation". Since all of the guys not at the OTA's are up for contracts next year, Rodgers might have willing listeners.

Rodgers would never be dumb enough to threaten (i won't throw to you), but he is in a position to actively help his receivers.

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Coldworld's picture

May 26, 2021 at 12:25 pm

If you are right and Rodgers is behind it, I agree. What struck me though was, if your theory is true, how telling is it that it was only WRs?

I just add that I doubt the concerted action theory across that group. It may be that one or two were influenced, but the others would appear to have diffuse interests and levels of relationship.

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Guam's picture

May 26, 2021 at 05:32 pm

Rodgers (if he plays for the Packers) is in a position to help his receivers look good and all of the guys not at OTAs are up for new contracts after the coming year. Rodgers is less able to help the O-linemen or RBs look good and most of them do not have contracts coming up next year. If he was able to influence any group, if would be the WRs.

I have no idea whether this did or did not happen, but I find it strange that Adams foregoes a half million dollar workout bonus and Funchess and ESB pass up an opportunity to impress the coaching staff when they are not locks for the roster. Concerted action or influence on a few, this just doesn't smell right.

We've seen this before with McCarthy's termination, with Lafleur's first year and now with Murphy/Gute (as well as with Rodgers' family and friends). Rodgers has moved in the background before to get what he wants. The front office has to be getting tired of this drama.

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murf7777's picture

May 26, 2021 at 08:20 am

I don’t see any advantage for Aaron to retire. He has stated multiple times he wants to play into his 40’s. IMO, he is trying to build a legacy that isn’t finished. That is the main leverage the Packers have in this negotiation, if they don’t come to an agreement he must sit for the years remaining in his contract.

Since Rodgers hasn’t stated he wants to leave GB and he has stated the opposite after the loss in the NFC championship game, I feel this is all negotiations and Rodgers will remain a Packer for a minimum of this upcoming year.

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Since'61's picture

May 26, 2021 at 11:36 am

If a trade doesn't happen during June then we'll see what happens when Rodger is due to pay back the $30 million. If he doesn't return at that point we will know it is not about money.

That leaves 2 possibilities, Rodgers retires or the FO works out a deal with Rodgers. They're not going to pay Rodgers to sit out. So far no one has lost anything. Once we reach the point of the mandatory OTAs Rodgers loses money (which may no matter to him) and the Packers may lose Rodgers without a return. If the Packers don't reach a deal with Rodgers they lose an HOF/MVP Qb with no return.

right now the best scenario for the Packers is to make a trade. If not, make a deal with Rodgers. Losing Rodgers via his retirement or an ongoing holdout is the worst case scenario for the Packers. Thanks, Since '61

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stockholder's picture

May 26, 2021 at 12:13 pm

. Barry Sanders!

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murf7777's picture

May 26, 2021 at 08:27 am

Is Funchess really motivated to make this team? Big mistake for him not showing up.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

May 26, 2021 at 10:50 am

He apparently has a live in relative who is immuno compromised. Guys are coming in from all over for OTAs. If this is the reason I totally understand.

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Coldworld's picture

May 26, 2021 at 12:31 pm

Yes, his case I do understand. I’m not sure who, but I thought another player has a similar family issue.

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x24's picture

May 26, 2021 at 08:36 am

I refuse to waste mental bandwidth on the Rodgers "drama"

He will be under center for the Packers in 2021, wake me when the contract is done

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dobber's picture

May 26, 2021 at 08:51 am

x24 wins the thread!

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Since'61's picture

May 26, 2021 at 11:41 am

109 days until the season begins. Plenty can happen over that time. If we don't see a trade before mandatory OTAs we could see this go into late August at least. Thanks, Since '61

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White92's picture

May 26, 2021 at 10:14 am

I always love your takes Al and 90% of the time I agree with you. However, this "shut up and do your job" narrative is just not realistic, not with the Green Bay Packers or in the real world. Guys that bring more value to an organization whether it be in sales, research, or as a QB, get special treatment and more of a say than a typical worker bee and I'm sure you've seen that.

Maybe they really thought his skills have diminished and got caught with their pants down. Maybe the real decline comes this year. But if that wasn't their thinking, then Rodgers was right and they totally screwed the pooch on their communication.

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JerseyAl's picture

May 26, 2021 at 10:21 am

See, I knew someone would insert 'Shut up" into my commentary, surprised it took this long. He can discuss his grievances with the Packers all he wants. In the end, all I want is Rodgers back as the QB of this team, doing his job for at least one more run at the Super Bowl.

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White92's picture

May 26, 2021 at 10:25 am

Ahh my fault. I guess I've been seeing it so much lately that a bias crept in. Sorry for attributing those words to you

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JerseyAl's picture

May 26, 2021 at 11:27 am

no worries. I could have been more succinct in my original commentary.

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Since'61's picture

May 26, 2021 at 11:49 am

I'm with you Al. The Packers have kept the band together for an SB run for this season at least. Rodgers can continue to negotiate while doing his job as Packers QB. In fact that is probably his strongest move at this point to validate his value to the team. At this point I'm hoping he comes back for the mandatory OTAs.
Thanks, Since '61

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Difer's picture

May 26, 2021 at 11:31 am

I wholeheartedly agree with JerseyAl's observation that "the Packers run the team like a business and will do whatever they feel is best for the team" with one modification - they (Murphy) will do whatever is best for the BUSINESS. And Murphy does not need a HOF quarterback to accomplish his business plan for the Packers (contend for the playoffs). Jordan Love will do nicely.

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scullyitsme's picture

May 26, 2021 at 12:25 pm

Here’s my two realities,
I don’t blame Rodgers one bit for taking charge of his future, and making the decisions, as I tell my daughter constantly, “if you don’t make them, someone will make them for you”
The second reality at this stage of the game is the packers bumbled this, but they can still get out with a ransom of draft picks and players and should of done it yesterday, maybe it is done and we’ll find out after June 8th.
It’s really ok if things work out for both the packers and Rodgers. We don’t have to “hate” either or choose a side. It’s entirely possible both get what’s best.

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croatpackfan's picture

May 27, 2021 at 03:03 am

It is not about hate. It is about accountability. If you are not accountable to fulfill what you signed, you are not my man, you are JAG. No matter what you did in the past and what are your sentiment. If the argument how football is business stands, all of you knows that in business contract have to be fulfilled. Nothing more or nothing less. That is Golden rule. One side can always kindly ask contract to be dismissed, but that should be done by acceptation from both sides.

If you are not happy with something and that went publicly, be the man and confirm, deny or explain publicly. If you do not want that, than make everything in your power to stop publication. Playing underground games are low and unfair.

So, any of you who wants changes to the organization (change of Murphy, Gutekunst or possibly MLF) I want to understand me, as the president of the company. I will loudly say NO to you and get rid of you. Maybe I will change board, person you would ask for fire, but not the way Aaron Rodgers played this. This is so immature that I'm really surprised how many of you do not see that.

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croatpackfan's picture

May 27, 2021 at 03:05 am

"I don’t blame Rodgers one bit for taking charge of his future, and making the decisions, as I tell my daughter constantly, “if you don’t make them, someone will make them for you”"

Aaron Rodgers already took charge of his future when he signed contract following 2018 season, didn't he? Now he think he was cheated? Is that why he wants change in that contract.

HE SIGNED THE F*CKING CONTRACT! PERIOD! EXLAMATION MARK!

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croatpackfan's picture

May 26, 2021 at 02:50 pm

Again

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croatpackfan's picture

May 27, 2021 at 02:48 am

Al, you again nail it with just one stroke,.. Bravo!

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Swisch's picture

May 26, 2021 at 06:57 pm

Packers just signed a new wide receiver; let's go with guys who really want to be on the team.
No BS excuses, just play football. They can't sit on the couch all of the offseason to avoid injury. Get out there.
One thing that has irked me about Rodgers is that he downplayed the preseason to the point where it seemed to intimidate the coaches to not play him.
That's not his call. Let the coaches coach for the good of the whole team. Do your job and keep quiet.
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In general, I'm way on the side of employees against management.
If many of the players on the Packers have a common concern, then I'm all for giving them a say.
However, if it's just certain players looking out for their own interests, or trying to push their personal ideology, then no way -- and don't pressure other players to do something they don't want to do.

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stockholder's picture

May 26, 2021 at 07:49 pm

Rodgers gave them a way out. Trade ME! I have backed Rodgers 100 %. Because of Communication, Support, and cap. Malice is so obvious. The draft selections were for the glory of Gute. Not the Super-Bowl. The packers FO is responsible for all this. They are in charge.

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Johnblood27's picture

May 27, 2021 at 07:18 am

Here comes the gratitous name calling...

Stockholder, you ignorant slut...

Glory of Gute!?!?

Gute makes the decisions he does for the furthering of the GREEN BAY PACKERS FRANCHISE!!!

How does anything he does bring him any personal notoriety unless the decisions lead to furthering the GREEN BAY PACKERS FRANCHISE!?!

Therefore your comments equate to you being AGAINST the GREEN BAY PACKERS FRANCHISE!!!

Stop. Think. Put down the keyboard and slowly walk away.

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flackcatcher's picture

May 27, 2021 at 10:40 am

Aaron Jones is not a little man... Good post Al.

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