For the umpteenth time: draft good football players, not athletes. Indy drafted Anthony Richardson, for example, because he was a great athlete. But a good QB? Not really. I still remember people on this site saying the Packers should draft Watt, and being bitterly (and correctly) disappointed when King was chosen instead. Because King's major problem was if a receiver got behind him, he was lost. Will things change this year? Doubtful. All we can do is hope.

Thanks for acknowledging just how brutal round 1 of the 2023 went for Packers fans.

Would be awesome to have a 3rd year All-Pro at WR (JSN) or CB ( Gonzalez), instead of a player everyone hopes will finally have a break out season in year 4.

For far too long uncomfortable, but indisputable, facts have been explained away or ignored in Packerland. Well done Luke.

WHATS THE BIG DEAL ON THAT MISS.

TOMMY DEVITO BEAT US IN NEW YORK AND HES GOING TO THE SUPER BOWL

WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU. AND I DONT CARE IF HES THE BACKUP

WE HAD THE BEARS BEAT TWICE. NOPE.

MY POINT IS. I DONT THINK TOMMY DEVITO. OR. IE. TD. =. Tommy Devito….

LOSSES TONTHE BEARS TWICE .

TOMMY DEVITO GOING TO THE BIG DANCE.

THE THING ABOUT IT IS LVN. DIDNT EVEN START AT IOWA

BUT IF NOBODY KNOWS. THE PACKERS FOR A FIRST ROUND PICK. WANTS TO DRAFT AND DEVELOP THEM IF NOT THEY SAVED MONEY SO THAT THEY DONT NEED TO PAY THE SECOND CONTRACT.

UNFORTUNATELY WE DID THAT WITH GARY. WAS A DRAFT AND DEVLOP GUY. AND PROBABLY NEVER SHPULD HAVE GOT THE BIG MONEY.

IF WE DRAFT SMITH. WE WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM PAYING HIM IN A FEW YEARS FOR SECOND CONTRACT. IF DRAFTED IN SECOND ROUND GUY. THEN WOULD PAY

WE DRAFTED GOLDEN BECAUSE WE DIDNT WANT DETROIT TO DRAFT HIM.

NOW WILL HE BE A GREG JENNINGS AND WANT OUT LATER. PROBABLY

OH WELL. TOMMY DEVITO. GETS TO SUPER BOWL BEFORE PACKERS

I WONT BE ABLE TO SLEEP FOR NEXT 365 days

I bet he gets playing time if they are up on Seattle

Or MSYBE MAYE GETS HURT. TOMMY COMES IN AND LIGHTS IT UP.

I think bring Tommy Devito in next year

Since he’s going to Super Bowl. Maybe show how it’s done

I would sign Trey lance over Rider

Let’s see Morgan. From az. Probably likes warm games vs cold

Dejean played at Iowa. Cold games

Like dejean last year gets a pick in Super Bowl. I bet gonelz gets one vs Sam D

Two x packer employees now gms. For the teams in the Super Bowl…..

Also just TO LET YOU KNOW. WE DIDNT DRAFT RODGERS. HE FELL INTO OUR LAP…..

BESIDES THE KEVIN KING DEAL. I WONDER IF RODGERS TALKED TOBSCOTTY MILLER IN PITTSBURGH AND SAYING. YOU GEAT KEVIN KING. EXPLAIN THE CALL

HEVSAT BACK AND LAUGHED AND SAID AARON BRADY WASCWAITING FOR THAT ONE ON ONE

ALSO HE FELT BAD FOR YOUAND THREW 3 PICKS. BUT YOU COULDN'T GET IT DONE

AND WE KNEW MLF WOULD PLAY CONSERVATIVE

Now. We don’t have first round picks

Also 4th and 29 in Philly. 4th and 8

GREAT DEFENSE HAFLEY WAS ON ZILLOW LOOKING FOR HIS HOUSE

ANYTIME COACHES START INTERVIEWING IN PLAYOFFS YOU WILL LOSE. HAPPENS ALL THE TIME

JUST LIKE WHEN WE BEAT DALLAS. DEFENSE COORDINATOR HAD. COMMANDER JOB. AND GAVE ONE TO JERRY BEFORE HE LEFT. TO HELP OUT HIS BUDDY MLF

ITS SO OBVIOUS TO FIGURE THIS STUFF OUT

AS TIME GOES ON YOU WILL REALIZE WHAT AARON DID. WITH LESS THAN CURRENT TEAM

ACTUALLY IF HE STUCK AROUND THE LAST TWO YEARS PROBABLY IN THE SUPER BOWL

HE WOULD HAVE BEAT BROWNS . DALLAS. CAROLINA AND HAD HOME FIELD THROUGHOUT

Didn’t sign either of the WATTS BOYS. HOW DISRESPECTFUL AND DISGUSTING

BOTH COULD HAVE BEEN ON THE TEAM. AT THE SAME TIME. A FEW YEARS BACK IF WE DID IT RIGHT.

It came down to draft Needs.
Drafting need over BPA (Higher Rated)
You never leave a All-pro for someone else.
(The Golden Rule of the 1st Round. )
Gute never followed it.

Morgan #40. Dejean #19

All textbook examples of going into the draft with a predetermined mindset instead of letting it come to you and selecting the best player available with the experience to back it up--and there's a couple more to boot. Add a dash of being preoccupied with pass rushers with big R.A.S. scores and this is what you get: a team with a reasonable amount of talent across the board, but hardly any stars. And the Packers don't do themselves any favors with their protracted development of potential stars; seniority and rigidity to an established process seems to be the preferred method.

It's tough to win Super Bowls without current stars and future HOFers.

Hackett gone now too. If we have had such bad coaches why is everyone poaching them?

Wow, I was actually kind of excited about this article until Snap the Ball hijacked it. It looks like that is your M O Snap, judging by alot of your previous posts.

I will just comment with this. Sometimes the obvious choice is the best one, stop trying to overthink it. If your team needs an Center, and one guy is rated as the unanimous best Center(Creed Humphrey) by far, and you instead select a guy who didn't make the Top 10, you probably should hand the selection duties to someone else.

I just read an article from Sports Illustrated, and I am not saying they are the "Bible". Top 100 players in the NFL for 2026. We had 3on the list, and 1 of them we just traded for, Parsons. The other 2 were Jordan Love @ #59 and Kraft @ #89, both of who we drafted. The lack of Packers on that list probably has something to do with why we haven't won anything substantial in a while.

I don't care what people say about hindsight. Can you imagen how good we would be with even 1/2 of these guys on our team?
Creed Humphrey- Josh Myers
T J Watt
Cooper DeJean- Jordan Morgan
Christian Gonzalez
Devin Lloyd- Quay Walker
Smith Njigba- Van Ness
Patrick Queen-Love
Tyson Campbell- Eric Stokes
Amon Ra St Brown- Amari Rodgers
George Karlaftis- Devonte Wyatt
Travis Jones- Wyatt instead
Will McDonald- Van Ness
Christian Wilkins or Jeffrey Simmons- Rashaan Gary
Montez Sweat- Darnell Savage

That's just a small sample of what we missed, pretty much all were positions of need for GB in those years. Pretty much everyone else saw it.

A good list Golf.

Hindsight is perfect vision. A fan from ANY NFL team could make a similar list, Golf. And Luke could write a similar article about every team's GM of Personnel draft selections.

Have any teams passed by as many or more "what ifs" in the draft? Or is this just a Packers issue? We all know the answer...we don't know. Using the Packers as a microcosm to create a narrative of poor drafting might be valid but have to compare ALL the NFL teams over the same time frame. Might find out the Packers lead in "what ifs", are about average, or better than most teams.

Drafting, like recruiting and hiring is most definitely unpredictable.

Gutey usually passes on my draft crushes as a fan. (he did draft Watson in the 2nd, Doubs in the 4th...and drafted Kraft to my wishes in the last few years, that's about it)

But every Team passes on prospects who become good NFL players. Every Team drafts first round prospects who aren't as successful as players who were passed by. Coaching, injuries, off field issues, work ethic and motivation are as much, if not more indicative of future performance vs draft position.

ALL NFL teams passed on Favre in the first round. 23 teams ignored Rodgers in the first round. Brady was ignored until the 6th round. All NFL teams passed by Bart Starr for 16 selections until the Packers drafted him in the 17th round!

I am certain Team Gtuey would like to go back in time and change decisions made at the time with the info available now.

I have several decisions I'd like to change, like buying even more Apple stock in 2006 and ignoring my IT director who begged me to buy Google when it issued its first IPO.

“Pretty much everyone else saw it.”
Who is “everyone else”?
And
That statement is simply not true.

How about this, from a teenager:
“Everyone else gets to stay out until 2 AM! I am the ONLY ONE who has to be home by midnight!”

Gute’s 2022 draft was his best draft and the two first round picks were not very good.
Quay at 22 (Chiefs got Chenal in 3rd round who is much better).

Wyatt is finally showing some progress.

Go compare Chiefs & Packers drafts (2021 ouch) and it becomes clear which team is a dynasty and which one is not.

Average GM will not get us to 14

I'm not sure if it's a matter of incorrect draft selections or how the players coached. I think that in the case of the Packers it's a combination of both drafting and coaching. I also think Murphy, now Policy, and the Executive Board are fine with where the team is at and has been over the last several years. They're a non-profit organization with secure revenue streams from the NFL revenue sharing and a stadium sold out for 20+ years plus donations from the fans whenever they hold a "stock sale".

As for the draft it's a crap shoot but Gute seems to have missed some obvious selections such as Creed, Watt, JSN and Gonzalez plus others. He's had 8 years as GM to field a championship team and he hasn't come close since 2020. In fact the Packers have finished further away from the SB since then. If the league did not expand the playoff format the last playoff appearance for the Packers would have been 2021.

This offseason is a major turning point for the Packers. This year's FA and draft could determine the Packers direction for better or worse for the next 2-3 years. Time will tell. Thanks, Since '61

"Green Bay would select Outside Linebacker Lukas Van Ness of Iowa, a player who has shown sparks of his potential, but nowhere near what Gonzalez and Smith-Njigba are proving to be."

Sparks? Van Ness hasn't shown shit. Sparks...HA!

Common man...

Very painful examples, but this kind of second guessing is painful for any team, and here’s why:

At any point in the draft, when you say “Green Bay took player X when they could’ve chosen player Y”, the names available for player Y include EVERY SINGLE PLAYER available at that spot. Literally hundreds of names, but the example used as player Y is a cherry-picked guy who’s since become a stud.

Let’s get specific: JSN has been a monster, LVN has been (very) disappointing. But to assume JSN would have provided the same production for GB that he has in Seattle is a bit of a (non-Lambeau) leap. Different team, different players, different system, different coaches.

If the Bears had taken Mahomes instead of Trubisky, would Mahomes have become for Chicago what he’s become in KC?

I am not down-playing the painful, missed opportunities. I’m merely trying to say “sure, they could’ve had JSN or Gonzales, but they ALSO could’ve had about 200 other players, and it’s anybody’s guess how they would’ve performed.”

Gee thanks, Luke!
Thanks for the painful reminders of what might have been, and the even more painful reality that Gutey's been extended despite his shit record!
My morning had actually started out pretty well, but noooooooo, you just had to remind us, din'tcha!

How come nobody here is lamenting Washington taking Emmanuel Forbes at corner one pick before NE picked Gonzales? They cut him halfway through his second year. The Rams picked him up, and he has played well for them. Even made it to the NFC Championship game. Was it totally because of Forbes? Cause and effect much?

Oh, and I know the reason no one is complaining about that pick. This is a Packer site, of course.

I’m simply pointing out that other teams screw up too. It’s not just GB.

49ers trade up to get Trey Lance? Then the following year they pick Purdy in the 7th? So, is San Fran good at evaluating college QB’s or not?

The comparisons hit home because they are NOT random. Watt, Creed and JSN were heavily mocked to the Packers or were rated as better players by a huge majority of analysts. Look at Howie R for Philly as a good example of someone who attacks the draft logically and without his own idiosyncrasies and bias. He get's the best player available even if it is redundant to everyone else. It always seems to either work out or he quickly changes gears and moves on. Gute should take a lesson. It's just frustrating when so many of his draft moves are always the same, hope that the player improves and proves us all wrong. The phrase, "I hope I'm wrong", is too common for Packer fans.

coulda - shoulda - didna. Happens every year to every team. There is always someone who turns out better than at least one, of any teams picks.

Yes, Gutekunst is truly an idiot who does not choose good players and doesn’t even know how.

And yes, during Gutey’s reign of terror, the Packers have the fourth most regular season wins in the league, trailing only KC, BAL and BUF, and they have also been to the playoffs in more years than any team during that stretch except for KC, PHI and BAL.

Imagine how FRICKIN’ AWESOME our coaching staff must be to do so well with such inferior talent!

Oh, wait… we hate the coaches, too. I keep forgetting.

LOL.

20 years counted.
According to Pro Football Reference, most drafted players are busts. the only problem with their system is they don’t take into account the round they where picked. But anyway…
16.7% don’t even end playing for the drafting team (20 years average)
37% are considered ‘useless’, or busts.
5.3% are ‘poor’. Busts such as Jamarcus Russell are here.
So 69% are ‘poor’ or worst.
10.5% average
12.3% good 
6.8% great
1% legendary
That gives 20.1% good. 2 out of 10.

On a different front: Vikings can Kwesi.

Bottom line is you’ve got to hit your picks especially the first rounders or you’re just chasing your tail and trying to fill holes in your roster . Gute can’t do either . Yet he is still GM . It’s like we’re going back in time before Ron Wolf was hired . SMH