Bresee has an injury history to be very nervous about. Certainly that might drop him and make him a high risk, high upside choice. He’s the type of pick many never forget if the health issues continue.

Gary might have been at a position of need, but he was a player expressly brought in based on talent to develop for future potential, not contribution that year. Was Wyatt seen as similar to that or just one that took longer than planned or was held back by coaching favoritism?

I expect a Defensive player picked early, in this draft. Whether it be a Safety, an Edge player or a DT. All are positions of need. BPA in the first round may be RB Bijan Robinson. Do we take him at 15, if he is there? He is a generational player at his position. I remember GBP passing on Barry Sanders and picking Tony Mandarich, instead, one draft. We will find out who the GBP value starting Thursday night.

Why in the F would anybody want Bresee?

For the life of me, using an R1 on that injury history, with a very small resume. I cannot fathom that.

Injured players generally stay injured players.

I think and hope this year will be different.

Nobody expects Green Bay to compete for a Super Bowl in 2023, so if there are gaps in the roster so be it.

Grab the best player available to help the team compete for a Super Bowl in 2-3 more years.

Two strikes with those guys. One more and they would be out of contention.

Every team drafts for need, some more than others.

The Packers have been picking for need for years. Moreover, that's what they should have been doing because they had a window in which to win a super bowl.

That said, they didn't do enough of it rather than too much, imo. Gute did draft guys he fell in love with like Gary (who wasn't needed after signing Preston and Z Smith), Savage, and Jordan Love. The hell of it is that the 2019 draft was loaded. If not Gary, Wilkins, Lindstrom, Lawrence, Burns and Jeffrey Simmons all would have been fine, and most had those guys in that specific area.

Stokes won’t return to form if he’s asked to play soft off coverage in my view, it’s possible he gets better, but that’s asking him to play against type—against his strengths for which we picked him . The same could be the case with Savage. Barry has to change to let players play to strengths or I don’t see things going well.

gsd3, watch the podcast "openmike" with David Bakhtiari. Lot of things will be clearer after that.
David Basically said that he is excited for the season, but, Packers will know where they are not before start of the new season. He also said that he do not "not like" Jordan Love. If he would be on that mindset, he would say it. Also he said that, as he is somewhat the oldest guy in the room he feel little wierd, but still has a lot of fun with Jordan and the guys. He plan to play for Packers and admits that his contract is looking like this is like his last season at Packers, but nobody can tell. Because contract can be extended and he will have no problems to negotiate with FO about that. He understands that FO has their responsibility and he said that he does not know what is all in question with FO's job. He said that TT very rarely spoke with the players, while Brian Gutekunst is more relax in that part of his job (sounds like he like that!).

It was long interview, but I chose to point out some thing thwt were said and that David Bakhtiari still consider himself as Packers player. He also said that his injury is now behind him and he looks forward to the new season.

Prediction: this year’s third will NOT suck!

One of the 7ths should be spent on Moody the Michigan Kicker. He would be a perfect Crosby replacement. Big hole filled.

Another could be spent on OT Jake Witt-Northern Mich. If he lasts that long. Bears have been on him for over a year. A real sleeper with sky high potential.

There is a lot of talent available in the mid rounds this year and the 3rd round is where our best Safety options come off the board. Or a WR or 2nd TE. Nope not trade out of the 3rd, but maybe a trade farther down in 3rd to add 2 picks could be sweet. We have no picks in the 6th round so there will be a beer run gap between #170 and our first 7th rounder.

My brother we are not getting all that for a one year rental.We’re just not.I see simply a second round pick and a possible one next years along with a player maybe.But all them picks u mentioned no way.Last year sure this season no way

I wish I was as optimistic as you are Knock. I think the Packers will be fortunate to get a #2 this year and a conditional #1/#2 next year. The big payout ship sailed last year with Denver and I will forever hold Murphy in contempt for passing on that haul.

With no cap room for the next two years and a number of roster holes to fill, I fear the Packers will be in rebuild mode until 2025.

Hendon Hooker is not solidifying anything. Firstly he’s a guy from a very far from pro offense with minimal reads, secondly he’s likely to miss all summer and camp and maybe more due to a late November ACL. He’s likely just a body we can’t get to the PS and won’t ever activate this year even if we have an injury. He’s older than Love to start with as well. Utter waste of a second for this year (possibly any year), and for that reason alone I wouldn’t touch him.

Agree with everything except the potential pick of a QB in the earlier rounds. We have too many holes to worry about then finding Love’s replacement. Lets get some offensive weapons to help Love succeed.

Knock, not that it makes any difference, but since you mentioned Mims, here is something astounding I found out about him doing research on WRs.

Mims holds the Texas high school record for career receiving yards @ 5485!!!! Also he holds the single season record of 2629 and had 32 TD catches that same year!!!! Jesus his single season record is more than any of my pathetic Iowa Hawkeye receivers had in their entire careers.

Mimms is pretty damn good. There are so many WRs this year that could really make a big impact for Love and the Packers. And we don't have to waste that first pick to get one.
Wouldn't it be funny if we traded back from #15 and got the Top TE in the draft. And then used the 2 extra picks we got, a 2nd and a 4th, to pick 2 difference making WRs with those picks. I would love Ford-Wheaton and Landers, but I would be thrilled with any combo of Mims, Hutchinson, Perry, Mingo, Tillman , Rice, Iosivas. Or even later Donte Demus, Elijah Higgans, Jared Wayne, Aaron Schropshire.
I was watching video today of small school star WRs and there is real talent there too. Deions old school Jackson State has a ton of NFL talent all over the place.

Well Knock, I am out on the OT pick in the 1st round. I want my first round pick to be playing from Day One and being a difference maker for us. Any Ot we would pick in the first will be sitting all year, unless Bahk gets traded later in the year, in which case you can throw the kid to the wolves then because our season is probably over. I am happy with what we have on the O-line now. Njiman should start this year, Jenkins will be 100% healthy, Myers will be too and will play better (yeah I wanted Creed too, but Myers was the 2nd best in the draft), Toms has another year of experience, and I expect Rhyan and Rasheed Walker to contribute this year. They were both highly rated, so they didn't become dogshit in one year.

I love Mazi and if I could choose one DT in this draft it is him.

I am also out on spending a 2nd round pick on Hooker. I think he is the 3rd best QB this year, but if we somehow have 3 or 4 second round picks to play with this year, we can get seriously rich with hole-filling talent this year. That would fill 4 big needs with probable starters in 2 rounds. TÈ, Edge, WR, and DT. BOOM.

Kinkaid, if healthy would change our offense instantly. But these top guys catch the ball so well that if we get any of the top ones with the first pick and 2 more later, the TE room is a strength. If we use the TEs the right way, instead of as option #5 like we have, our offense could be scary.

Mostly agree, but I wouldn't want to see a first rounder used on the IOL. Or really the second, either, unless Gute strongly believes he's a special player.

The benefit of having so many needs! 😬

Rodger’s will be motivated to prove everyone wrong. He really had no motivation left with the Packers. No, we won’t get a haul for Rodger’s but getting at least a high pick this year and a conditional 1 next year would be fine.

How do you propose trading guys while not letting people know that you want to make a deal? No one is beating down the door for Rodgers.

Considering how onerous that contract is, sometimes I wonder if the Packers should have to pay another team for taking Rodgers off their hands. It would be different, of course, if more than one team was interested in Rodgers, which has never appeared to be the case.

JB,
You may end up being correct, but my hope is we get more than a 2nd round draft choice this year. Getting talent in 2023 is the important thing and more my concern than some draft choice in 2024 with conditions.

There should be NO trade.
His Value is to the Packers.
Regardless whether he plays or Not.

LP: I would much rather see the Packers trade back with some other team that covets Robinson and pick up an additional selection in the second or third round. The Packers have too many needs to draft a player at one of the few positions where they have some quality depth. More choices and plug more holes.

Bijan would help us 2 ways. He would be our best RB and that lets us trade AJ later in the year for 2 picks. It also gives us the trade back opportunity that would make this a great instead of a good draft. Multiple teams will move up for bijan and Hooker. Hopefully to #15.

LP,
I hear ya and agree!

I believe good chance he goes to Detroit and we might have to face him twice a year. Wouldn't that suck?

I don't think Goodson is a better catching prospect than Robinson. Maybe Goodson has caught more balls, but he doesn't even sniff Robinson's ability after the pass is in his hands.

It's draft season, CW! Hype and out of proportion is the norm! :-)

True. He's one twisted ankle away from being mediocre. Roschon could be a beast with less wear on his tread and may be available in the 4th round. We all know it's a crap shoot anyway. No sure things. 50/50 at best.

Just think how the NFL could be different if Mini hadn't traded for Hershel Walker. Or the Saints hadn't traded their whole draft for Ricky Williams? Or SF had drafted Love instead of trading away 3 first round picks for Trey Lance?

But think of the fun we would have watching him for 5 years! :)

I am a Hawkeye fan so I got to see Goodson alot. He is a talented RB but is tiny compared to Bijan. Goodson succeeded at Iowa even when they had bad O-lines. I don't think you could have Tyler run the ball 20 times a game, but he could be used the same way the Packers have underused Jones. And Goodson would not protect the QB from blitzes either. Goodson is not Bijan though.

For a QB of Rodgers talent level I would expect first round picks back. If he committed to playing 3 years. Even more if he was younger. Arron Rodgers is still very talented and I have no doubt, if he doesn't get hurt, will play really well for the Jets, They should close the deal. He is worth what we are asking for, at least.

If Jordan Love sucks, Gutey goes bye-bye. Thems the Rules.

Whatever a team is willing to pay that Rodgers will not retire to avoid. That could be nothing and a post June 1 cut. Rodgers knows he’s getting money regardless and he knows we can’t afford to have him on the roster for game 1 unless he’s our stater of choice because of what that triggers. He may well prefer being a FA, pocket the money he’s already guaranteed and chose his own destiny.

After the draft, the best we can get is a future first rounder, typically viewed as a second round equivalent this year. Things may change in draft day. Especially if the Jets like Stroud or Richardson (they will regret that) and see him dropping to them. In the other hand, another team may miss out and start to get desperate. Murphy supposedly blocked the trade Gute proposed as not rich enough. Let’s see if that pays off.

Branch is slower than Micah Hyde and Hyde had plenty of game experience and had demonstrated phenomenal instincts at an NFL level before he moved to S. It’s a brave claim to say Branch has that level of instinct and savvy, particularly as a rookie. If he doesn’t, he could easily be a bust unless his testing was just an anomaly. I note I’ve not seen that seriously argued though.

There are in fact other safeties that could help, even perhaps start. Jammie Robinson is a guy rather like Branch in terms of athleticism but with instincts and a lot of consistent performance that we could pick up in the mid rounds. He’s a very good tackler, which means I prefer him to Battle, but Battle is a promising cover guy. Sydney Brown is an athlete, but the question with him is coverage skills. These improved in his last year, but are they ever going to be good enough to unlock his athleticism?

There are others out there too. There is no perfect plus athlete, there are, I think, close to as good Branch alternatives at a lot less cost and therefore risk. A fee of whom, like Robinson or Battle may well be able to start early.

So we should pick Branch, who most people who have evaluated the 2023 Safety class say is not the right fit for GB, with the very valuable #15 pick. And ignore the fact that we could get a better fit for us, bigger, faster, Safety in the 3rd round when they come off the board. And pass up drafting the absolute top TE in this draft who will be a game changer for the Packers. Plus pushing Edge and DT down in the draft where the pickings will be slimmer.
Not to mention pass up trading back for more picks to fill more holes.
Doesn't sound like the right moves to me.

Just about wrong in every assumption and conclusion—for the 30th time—it gets no better. Just no, in almost every regard. That would normally be fine—we are all wrong often and entitled to opinions both sound and unsound, however you have far surpassed the norm.

I’m not even going to get into the detail. Save to say that despite having the laughable hubris to cite yourself as correcting TGR, you still haven’t grasped the significance of the lack of cap in real terms given our existing obligations and obviously don’t understand how signing bonus conversions affect the cap hit and when at all.

None of us here are professionals and no professionals get it right in the draft more than about 30-40 percent of the time, usually less. However, you could be the armchair Matt Millen for the ages. That would be ok, but for a guy who has perhaps the least knowledge of football I recall posting here regularly and never seems to learn anything from any article or post here, or even to understand much he seeks to drown in verbiage, it’s not.

You certainly have the greatest love of subjecting others to miles of irrelevant, misrepresented, misconstrued or cherry picked and not once but endlessly, multiple times in multiple combinations and posts with some random top and tail if we are lucky. You do it within posts and repeat it from day-to-day, week-to-week, as with most of this one. Hell, you will post exactly the same point hours later. Stop.

You are a troll and it’s reached the point of being really tiresome as well as detrimental to the point of being here.

You should seriously think about taking some time away from this site to write a book. Maybe more people would read it.

Not worried about safety. Invalidates all further analysis. BOMBS AWAY!

Resign Lewis(ancient), Cobb(ineffective) Crosby(slowly fading) Great thoughts there. Bring back more fading stars with money they don't have to be mediocre.

Please stop putting out the nonsense about the 4th most cap space. As soon as the Aaron Rodgers trade goes through they will be lucky to have enough money to sign the draft picks. Or did your 'analysis' forget that?

Gee, you'd think no one has thought of all the great 'ideas' you have.

“You can't always get what you want,
But if you try sometimes, well, you might find,
You get what you need.”

Richards/Jagger

AZ has a Safety that wants to play elsewhere (B. Baker). How about Savage and a #2 or 3 pick and go get BPA now.

You can't be that obtuse. If you reach for need you leave a better player for the next team. It's a good way to end up drafting in the top 10. Every year.

You can still get what you need, it just takes 2-3 years, with the caveat that you never draft purely for need anyway, e.g., if the BPA is a position where you really don't need anyone, you take the BPA for a different position.

I gave you a 👍, but you should have stopped after the first sentence.

Washington is my TE1 but i would trade down 5-10 spots and we could probably get him, too. Kincaid is not a TE, and I would not even consider drafting him at 15. He is a glorified slot WR. If we draft him considering him as a WR I would be fine with that, but we also need a true TE too. There is no way he will hold up blocking in the NFL

Marv Fleming - 16- 0 Dolphins.

But remember, the “best player for us” can also mean more than one thing. The best player for this season, the best player for the future or simply a guy that we think is better by a sufficient distance that we can’t overlook him regardless of need. This is especially true when uttered by a GM who has to have a multi year approach to roster construction.

Right!
You do not pass on Michael Jordan just because you don’t “need” a guard!!