Tracking the Packers 2023 Post-Draft UDFA Signings

Here are the Undrafted Free Agents (UDFAs) the Packers are signing

According to various sources, these are the undrafted free agents (UDFAs) the Green Bay Packers are signing.

Click on the player’s name for a scouting report (if available), click on the player's school name for their bio on the school's website, click on their Relative Athletic Score (RAS) for their RAS page (if available), and click on the reporting source for the Tweet confirming the signing.

The list will be updated as more signings or tryout invites are announced.

RB Jamyest Williams, Georgia State, 1.73 RAS, per Zach Jacobson

WR Duece Watts, Tulane, 7.00 RAS, per Tom Silverstein

WR Malik Heath, Mississippi, 6.58 RAS, per Aaron Wilson

TE Camren McDonald, Florida State, 2.52 RAS, per Tom Silverstein

TE Henry Pearson, Appalachian State, 4.51 RAS, per Zach Jacobson

OG Chuck Filiaga, Minnesota, 7.89 RAS, per Zach Jacobson

OT Kadeem Telfort, Alabama-Birmingham, 1.59 RAS, per Aaron Wilson

DL Jason Lewan, Illinois State, 8.54 RAS, per Aaron Wilson

EDGE Brenton Cox, Florida, 6.33 RAS, per Florida Gators Football

EDGE Justin Ademilola, Notre Dame, 2.21 RAS, per Zach Jacobson

EDGE Keshawn Banks, San Diego State, 2.09 RAS, per Tom Silverstein

LB Jimmy Phillips, Southern Methodist, 3.44 RAS, per Zach Jacobson

DB Benny Sapp IIINorthern Iowa, 4.40 RAS, per Aaron Wilson

Christian Morgan, Baylor, 8.67 RAS, per Aaron Wilson

P Shane McDonough, NC State, per Tom Silverstein

LS BR Hatcher, Old Dominion, per Zach Jacobson

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PatrickGB's picture

April 29, 2023 at 05:36 pm

Goody! I bet one of them makes the roster.

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Coldworld's picture

April 29, 2023 at 06:40 pm

Interior O line would seem to have a particularly decent chance. Maybe a DB.

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Rustyweezee's picture

April 29, 2023 at 07:50 pm

Christian Morgan, safety, Baylor. 6’ tall with a 40 1/2” vert.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

April 29, 2023 at 10:43 pm

4.52 40? Can that work?

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 30, 2023 at 06:29 pm

Faster than JSN. XD

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 30, 2023 at 08:27 am

The Punter looks good. Cam McDonald will compete against Davis.

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

April 29, 2023 at 06:09 pm

This should be interesting as both NFL.com and NFL Draft Buzz had about one half of the 9 players the Packers drafted today, not being drafted at all and maybe signed as Undrafted Free Agents.

Below are the 9 Packers picked today, Pick # and where NFL.com and NFL Draft Buzz felt they would be drafted, if at all.

NFL.com had 4 of the 9 Packer draft choices today as undrafted free agents.

NFL Draft Buzz had 5 of the 9 Packer draft choices today as undrafted free agent and 1 - Anders Carlson- the kicker brother of Raiders kicker Daniel Carlson not listed at all.

1 - 116 Colby Wooden LB, Auburn, NFL.com: Draft Projection Rounds 2-3, NFL Draft Buzz: Pick #111, 3.4 round

2 - 149 Sean Clifford QB, Penn State, NFL.com: Priority Undrafted free agent, NFL Draft Buzz: Pick #482 Undrafted Free Agent - made visit to Green Bay

3 - 159 Dontayvion Wicks, Wide Receiver, Virginia, NFL.com: Draft Projection Round 5, NFL Draft Buzz: Pick #179, 5.5 round - made visit to Green Bay

4- 179 Karl Brooks Defensive Tackle Bowling Green, NFL.com: Draft Projection Rounds 6-7, NFL Draft Buzz: #142, 4.4 round- made visit to Green Bay

5- 207 Anders Carlson Kicker Auburn (last played 2021, ACL tear), NFL.com: Priority Undrafted Free Agent, NFL Draft Buzz: (Not Listed)

6 - 232 Carrington Valentine, CB, Kentucky, NFL.com Draft Projection Undrafted Priority free agent, NFL Draft Buzz: Pick #259 Undrafted Free Agent

7 - 235 Lew Nichols III, RB, Central Michigan, NFL.com: Draft Projection Undrafted Priority free agent, NFL Draft Buzz: Pick # 292 Undrafted Free Agent - made visit to Green Bay

8- 242, Anthony Johnson Jr., CB, Iowa State Virginia, NFL.com: Round 5, NFL Draft Buzz: #275 Undrafted Free Agent

9 - 256, Grant Dubose, WR, Charlotte, NFL.com: Draft Projection Rounds 6-7, NFL Draft Buzz: #279 Undrafted Free Agent

Based on the 33 players various websites:

Sports Illustrated
Fan Nation
Acme Packing Company
Dariyland Express
CBS Sports
Packers Wire/USA Today

list of college players that have visited the Packers:

# Name College POS HT,WT Buzz Rk Round

1 Michael Mayer Notre Dame TE 6-4, 249 18 0.5
2 Darnell Wright Tennessee OT 6-5, 333 44 0.8
3 Dalton Kincaid Utah TE 6-4, 246 38 0.8
4 Will McDonald IV Iowa State DE 6-4, 239 39 1.1
5 Darnell Washington Georgia TE 6-6, 264 27 1.2
6 Felix Anudike-Uzomah Kansas State DE 6-3, 255 51 1.5
7 Keion White Georgia Tech DL 6-5. 285 48 1.6
8 Hendon Hooker Tennessee QB 6-3. 217 23 1.7
9 Adetomiwa Adebawore Northwestern DL 6-2, 282 52 1.8
10 Tyrique Stevenson Miami CB 6-0, 189 67 2.2
11 Rashee Rice SMU WR 6-1, 204 73 2.3
12 Jammie Robinson Florida State S 5-11, 191 79 2.8
13 Jaquelin Roy LSU DT 6-3, 305 124 2.9
14 Jartavius “Quan” Martin Illinois CB 5-11, 194 118 3.1
15 Karl Brooks Bowling Green DL 6-3, 296 142 3.4
16 Dontayvion Wicks Virginia WR 6-1, 206 179 4.1
17 Josh Whyle Cincinnati TE 6-6, 248 179 4.4
18 Keaton Mitchell East Carolina RB 5-7, 179 138 5.5
19 Atonio Mafi UCLA G 6-4, 329 168 6.7
20 Evan Hull Northwestern RB 5-10, 209 243 7.0
21 Quindell Johnson Memphis S 6-0, 204 258 7.3
22 Jordan Howden Minnesota SAF 5-11, 203 315 7.8
23 Lew Nichols III Central Mich. RB 5-11, 222 274 9.3
24 Tyrus Wheat Miss. State OLB 6-2, 263 315 9.5
25 Ben Sims Baylor TE 6-4, 250 315 10.8
26 Kadeem Telfort UAB OT 6-7, 322 363 11.8
27 Tanner Morgan Minnesota QB 6-0, 204 354 12.1
28 Sean Clifford Penn State QB 6-2, 218 478 12.9
29 Marte Mapu Sacremento State LB 6-3, 217 0 0.0
30 Cole Tucker Nothern Illinois WR 6-2, 195 0.0
31 Ryan Miller Furman WR 6-1, 210 0.0
32 Camren McDonald Florida State TE 6-4, 237 435 0.0
33 Scott Matlock Boise State DL 6-4, 296 0.0
34 Adonicas Sanders Temple WR 6-0, 189 0.0
it looks like Packers are emphasizing Tight End in round 1 and edge rusher and/or defensive lineman in round 2.
TE - 6 (3 in round 1, 1 in round 4 or 5, 2 undrafted free agents)
QB - 3 (1 in round 1 or 2, 2 undrafted free agents)
WR - 5 (1 in round 3, 1 round 5 thru 7, 3 undrafted free agents)
RB - 3 (1 in 5th, 2 undrafted free agents)
OT - 2 (1 in round 1 or 2, 1 undrafted free agent)
G - 1 ( 1 late 4th or 5th)
Total offense = 20
DL = 4 (2 late round 1, 1 mid round 3, 1 undrafted free agent)
DE = 2 (early 2nd round)
DT = 1 (late round 2 or early round 3)
LB = 2 (1 5th round, 1 undrafted free agent)
CB = 1 (3rd round)
SAF = 3 (1 late 2nd, 2 7th round or undrafted free agent)
Total Defense = 13

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NickPerry's picture

April 30, 2023 at 07:21 am

You do understand with six picks in the 6th and 7th rounds the Packers were making sure they got the UDFA they REALLY wanted. This team had 13 picks in this draft, that's a lot. IMO the Packers made SURE they got a few of the projected Priority UDFA's with a few of those late picks.

Let it play out friend...I'd day wait until AT LEAST after June 1st to see what Gute has up his sleeve.

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

April 30, 2023 at 07:17 pm

NickPerry

April 30, 2023 at 07:21 am

"You do understand with six picks in the 6th and 7th rounds the Packers were making sure they got the UDFA they REALLY wanted. This team had 13 picks in this draft, that's a lot. IMO the Packers made SURE they got a few of the projected Priority UDFA's with a few of those late picks."

Nick Perry,

So you are saying that the consensus average rank (i.e. predicted pick #) for the players arrived at by the scouts paid by 1) NFL Draft Buzz, 2) NFL.com, 3) ESPN, 4) CBS, 5) PFF, 6) DN, 7) SN, 8) PFN, 9) SI, and 10) Alet are not reliable and someone like Sean Clifford who was ranked 413th - which would be in the 13th round, if there was a 13th round - was picked 149th in 5th round by Brian/Packers, over someone like Stetson Bennett who, per the consensus of the 10 was ranked 164 and picked by the Rams at 128 in the 4th round.

Could be.

You are also saying that the players that were ranked higher than the consensus average for the 10 for Valentine (244), Nichols (297) and Dubose (237) - the consensus average equating to potential undrafted free agents - were not chosen by the Packers because Brian and his scouts are a better judge of talent than the scouts paid by 1) NFL Draft Buzz, 2) NFL.com, 3) ESPN, 4) CBS, 5) PFF, 6) DN, 7) SN, 8) PFN, 9) SI, and 10) Alet for their information.

Could be.

It would be interesting to see how often - this year - the Chiefs, Eagles, Bears, Vikings, and Lions also chose players that were well below the consensus rank of 1) NFL Draft Buzz, 2) NFL.com, 3) ESPN, 4) CBS, 5) PFF, 6) DN, 7) SN, 8) PFN, 9) SI, and 10) Alet

It could also be that Brian is a contrarian for whatever reason and neither Brian or his scouts are very good at evaluating talent, which would be consistent with Pro Football Focus' analysis.

The assessment of Brian's drafting below was from Pro Football Focus analysts who looked at “PFF wins above replacement over a four-year rookie contract.” for all players drafted by the 32 GMs. PFF's numbers showed:

"The Packers ranked 17th in terms of draft success in the first round, taking into account positional value, and 7th in the NFC.

On Day 2 (rounds 2 and 3), the Packers have been below average since 2017. The team ranked 27th.

Finally, the Packers rank 21st on Day 3 (4th round to 7th round) in team draft success from 2017 until 2022."

The PFF article Rex Sheild of Cheesehead TV referenced in Rex's April 14, 2023 article:

"Draftin' Ain't Easy: How the Packers Have Drafted Since 2017 - Some teams navigate the draft waters better than others. "

was titled:

"NFL general manager superlatives, trends: Most successful at trade-ups, best Day 3 drafters and more"

and was written by Brad Spielberger on April 11, 2023.

Below are the 13 draft picks of the Packers for 2023 - we shall see how they do relative to the past drafts featured by PFF..

I have listed their actual pick # and where NFL Draft Buzz, NFL.com, and the consensus average rank of NFL Draft Buzz, NFL.com, ESPN, CBS, PFF, DN, SN, PFN, SI, and Alet for each player.

NFL.com had 4 of the 9 Packer draft choices Saturday as undrafted free agents.

NFL Draft Buzz had 5 of the 9 Packer draft choices Saturday as undrafted free agent and 1 - Anders Carlson- the kicker brother of Raiders kicker Daniel Carlson not listed at all.

The last column is the consensus rank implied round, anything below 1.0 is round 1, anything above 7.0 is a potential undrafted free agent.

Player Pick nflb nflc Ave. Rnd RND
Lukas Van Ness 13 27 26 22 1 0.7
Luke Musgrave 42 47 12 43 2 1.3
Jayden Reed 50 133 170 101 2 3.2
Tucker Kraft 78 89 61 69 3 2.2
Colby Wooden 111 111 125 96 4 3.0
Sean Clifford 149 482 NL 413 5 12.9
Dontayvion Wicks 159 179 226 132 5 4.1
Karl Brooks 179 142 144 111 6 3.5
Anders Carlson 207 NL NL 7 0.0
Carrington Valentine 232 259 NL 244 7 7.6
Lew Nichols III 235 292 NL 297 7 9.3
Anthony Johnson Jr. 242 275 102 186 7 5.8
Grant Dubose 256 279 NL 237 7 7.4

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DragonSilk's picture

April 30, 2023 at 09:28 am

You've got way too much time on your hands.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 30, 2023 at 10:15 am

Verbose...Desultory...Prosaic...yet Statistical.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

April 30, 2023 at 01:56 pm

Cynthia Frelund has some things to say about who improved their chances of winning games the most, on NFL com. You might enjoy that segment.

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MooPack's picture

April 29, 2023 at 06:11 pm

WR Bryce Ford-Wheaton
TE Ben Sims
OT Earl Bostick
S Quindell Johnson
Kickers

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Johnblood27's picture

April 29, 2023 at 06:20 pm

you are lightening fast!

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MooPack's picture

April 29, 2023 at 06:44 pm

Lol. Nah I'm just a draft guy. Love the draft season. Love doing the research. Obviously not always right. Lot of guys I wanted went right before Packers. It happens every year. I'm excited with all the guys coming into camp this year. Should be a lot of competition.

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greengold's picture

April 29, 2023 at 06:26 pm

Add WR Matt Landers.

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DoubleJ's picture

April 29, 2023 at 06:32 pm

I agree with him. I will add Hunter Luepke as well to the wish list.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 30, 2023 at 08:33 am

He wasn't drafted? Another Wisconsin kid signed by Dallas. LaFleur doesn't like Fullbacks. Stockholder's guy.

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iscottd's picture

April 29, 2023 at 06:19 pm

I'm sorry but Gutey sucks as a drafter! We got a couple of decent, not great, picks but he left a LOT of better talent (IMHO) on the board. Great job getting what he did for Rodgers but come on Gutey, 1/2 of the draft class would've gone undrafted?!? A KICKER?? He better beat out the Old Man plus be lights out better than Crosby. Of course, I could be proven wrong, but based on the previous drafts, I'm not holding my breath. All his drafts have been average at best and he's kept to that script.

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Packers0808's picture

April 29, 2023 at 06:28 pm

And exactly what club hired you as GM and their draft master. You seem to be really knowledgeable. Risible!

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Packerpasty's picture

April 29, 2023 at 07:19 pm

Is he not allowed to have his opinion?? Nothing negative allowed on the cult of Cheesehead, thats been known for awhile now...

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Packers0808's picture

April 29, 2023 at 07:25 pm

Aren't we allowed to have our opinion against his?

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davekenya's picture

April 29, 2023 at 09:35 pm

opinions against his viewpoints/player & staff evals, etc.? sure
opinions against him personally? nope

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jont's picture

April 30, 2023 at 08:50 am

👍

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nygary's picture

April 29, 2023 at 07:50 pm

Thats not true pasty i always complain about your Rodgers posts. Just kidding

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PASSdaRELISH's picture

April 29, 2023 at 07:19 pm

Your just mad because you don’t wanna hear the truth.

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murf7777's picture

April 30, 2023 at 12:11 pm

None of this is the truth, we all have opinions. Yours is just way to one sided and without any factual info. Compare Gutey’s past draft to his peers with something logical like how many games played by draft picks or awards, etc….

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DoubleJ's picture

April 29, 2023 at 06:39 pm

So you read a couple things online and think you know more about the subject than the people who are actual professionals. You sound like the people on Facebook who read a single article by some quack and all of a sudden you know more than the people with PhDs who have studied the subject for 30 years.

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NickPerry's picture

April 30, 2023 at 07:25 am

"So you read a couple things online and think you know more about the subject than the people who are actual professionals."

HUH? WHAT??

You mean I actually don't now more after a article or two? Common man, some of those evaluations are 10 minutes of reading!!

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

April 29, 2023 at 10:28 pm

Did you even look at the pre-draft visits? Most of the (rated) "better talent" that was skipped over had been here for a visit. An unusual and contrarian strategy, but it sure helps me to feel better about many of these picks; in every one of these cases Gutey knew what he was staying away from.

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SpikeHyzer's picture

April 30, 2023 at 02:43 pm

Last year was the best in team history.
And the so called wasted picks did come for free by trading a pick down twice.
You also can't get those UDFAs that you had in for a visit if they DO get drafted by another team.
He's actually ranked the 6th best drafter since he started 5 years ago. And this may be his best draft for need ever (with the possible exception of OL, which I rated a top 2 or 3 position group of need).
you are clueless

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NJ-RICK's picture

May 01, 2023 at 07:23 am

I agree, I hope Gute will be gone next season when Murphy steps away also. Sorry but I feel Packer MGT has failed the team. To may misses on good players by drafting potential players. I just don't believe in our MGT staff they can't get it done. Time for changes in the front office.

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Wildcomet's picture

April 29, 2023 at 06:26 pm

I'm very surprised WR Bryce Ford-Wheaton didn't get picked, he should definitely be a UDFA target in my opinion. FB Hunter Luepke from ND St I believe is also worth a look if I saw right that he went undrafted.

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Coldworld's picture

April 29, 2023 at 06:35 pm

Wonder if there is a knock on Ford Wheaton. I’d have preferred him to Wicks and we way over drafted at QB and likely kicker.

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DoubleJ's picture

April 29, 2023 at 06:40 pm

6th round you are throwing darts at a dart board. Sometimes you draft someone who might have been a UDFA.

I do like Ford Wheaton especially as a UDFA.

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Coldworld's picture

April 29, 2023 at 06:50 pm

I think we had a much better 7th than 5th, with the 6th being split: the DE was a good pick, but the kicker was much more questionable. The 5th was a low ceiling, high floor QB and a WR with an exceptionally poor drop rate. That’s not a good day, despite the 4th rounder being reasonable.

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DoubleJ's picture

April 29, 2023 at 07:48 pm

High floor low ceiling QB sounds like a great QB2 to me. The WR we will have to see in training camp.

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murf7777's picture

April 30, 2023 at 12:16 pm

Why do you keep nagging at Wicks drop rate when last year you couldn’t help yourself talking about how great Watson was without nagging about his drop rate. One of the worst in college if my memory serves me right.

Obviously, Watson improved his so why do you not think Wicks can as well?

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Coldworld's picture

April 30, 2023 at 04:57 pm

I was constantly pointing out Watson’s drop issues and saying he’s raw. I wasn’t a Watson is a first round pick guy. I was perhaps the first one, or one of them, to be talking of him before Christmas as a hell of a talent though one needing a lot of work. Then he was a late 3rd day if discussed at all. I never had him as a first rounder but as a later second, because he was more promise than actual. He actually did better than I anticipated as a rookie.

So if you are going to use a lame canard like that, get the facts right.

Just FYI, Watson’s career drop rates was 12.7 percent. By comparison, Wicks’ managed 23 plus percent last year. In comparison, Doubs’ was 4.8 percent, which is about where one looks to be, approximately. That’s a whole different magnitude.

Furthermore, Watson’s drops weren’t obviously hand/eye coordination issues but just a lack of technique as a catcher but also on routes and body positioning. I’m not so sanguine about Wicks. We will see, perhaps Wicks can get a lot better, into the MVS range, and justify that without close to the deep speed.

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murf7777's picture

April 30, 2023 at 05:15 pm

Ok, I have you mixed up with someone else….sorry for my mistake. I also had Watson as late second, but am damn happy they traded up for him. Although, the dropsies might still be there, we will see..

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Coldworld's picture

April 30, 2023 at 05:20 pm

Accepted. His drop rate will improve if they use him on more deep crossing patterns or he learns over the shoulder timing and technique. That was always a problem for him. I was pissed at LaFleur for not realizing that and using him to his strengths but throwing him in at the deep end and to what should have been a known weakness. Probably set him back several games confidence wise.

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DoubleJ's picture

April 29, 2023 at 06:41 pm

I completely second Hunter Luepke. He was a good runner, blocker, and receiver. He could replace Deguara and offer other abilities as well.

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NJMagic's picture

April 29, 2023 at 06:45 pm

There's really no difference between 7th and UDFA... Except we control the rights to the draftees vs negotiating against other teams.

Not sure why anyone cares whether a 7th round pick had a "draftable" grade...

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PASSdaRELISH's picture

April 29, 2023 at 06:58 pm

Is that your way of trying to justify Gute’s clueless drafting?

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DoubleJ's picture

April 29, 2023 at 07:51 pm

Gute knows more about drafting and running an NFL team than you will ever know. Just because you don't like a pick doesn't mean that the pick isn't good. Doesn't matter what some "expect" draft guy (Mel Kiper for example) says. They don't know much of anything. You want more proof of that look at the Raiders under Mike Mayock.

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Fubared's picture

April 30, 2023 at 11:46 am

Your wrong in one area. If your trading back and acquiring these people and passing on good talent at the pick your at, your pissing away opportunities for guys who cant play football and take your time up trying to coach them.
Its easier to coach up a first round div 1 guy then a 7th round div IIA guy.

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CheesePuff's picture

April 29, 2023 at 06:47 pm

Another typical C+ Packers draft - just “good enough”. Reading the comments on Silverstein’s draft blog, one might think the Pack will be back in the playoffs this season with the wealth of perceived talent acquired. Deep sigh. I suspect the most interesting games for hopeful Pack fans this year will be against division rivals.

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DoubleJ's picture

April 29, 2023 at 07:53 pm

This isn't "perceived" talent. A lot of these players, especially in R1-4, are athletes in the 90th+ percentile for their positions.

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Fubared's picture

April 30, 2023 at 11:44 am

On who's chart Gutt's. The ones he picked were then 10 percentlile lovwer then others who were available and not injury prone. This is another fd up draft that Gutt did.
But ya know if you take the guy who wasnt highly rated you can use that against him when settling that contract.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 30, 2023 at 08:44 am

My only bitch is Van Ness over Uzomah. I'll put Vegas money on Felix.

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Fubared's picture

April 30, 2023 at 11:42 am

I agree, C - maybe closer. What pisses you off is who they left on the table when they drafted. We take a tight end who played two freeking games last year. Mike Meyers of ND, three other highly rated tight ends who were top notch predictions and we get a guy who is oft injured and done literally nothing in his career?
And pack fans question why all the injuries? they draft injury prone players all the time. cobb is a good example. He spends more of his career on the bench then on the field.

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murf7777's picture

April 30, 2023 at 12:19 pm

Oft injured? What were his injuries? My understanding is Musgrave had an MCL last year and nothing else in college. I believe in HS he had a concussion and that’s it.

Nice try, but Hardly oft injured.

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ko40489's picture

April 29, 2023 at 06:50 pm

Too many fans think Gutey knows something about draft prospects that no one in the league knows. Hard to believe that he's smarter than absolutely everyone else. And his draft results don't bear that out. His 3rd round track record is abysmal. Let's stop fooling ourselves. And let's stop making excuses. We had one of the best QB's to ever play the game starting for the past 15 years-- and only one Super Bowl to show for it. We had 7 first round picks (now 8) on defense last year and look how that unit performed. And Barry is still around. We're all loyal fans who love the Pack. We deserve better.

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Packers0808's picture

April 29, 2023 at 06:58 pm

Actually you sound quite UNloyal.

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Packerpasty's picture

April 29, 2023 at 07:21 pm

not Unloyal, just not a sheep with green and gold blinders on...good grief some of you assholes cant stand anything but rah rah rah Packers and Gutes do no wrong...guess what...everyone has their own opinion and they can still be great fans...

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Packers0808's picture

April 29, 2023 at 09:11 pm

So you have verbal diarreha, just hold it in or take lopremade! And others have opinions about crap others write and still be better fans!

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

April 29, 2023 at 11:31 pm

"Actually you sound quite UNloyal."

Packers0808,

Loyalty is reserved for the players/workers/entertainers - i.e. the Packer Team - that creates the show for us to watch, putting their brains, bodies and lives at risk every time they step on the field during their average less than 3 year career, loyalty is not for the parasitic owners and stuffed shirt management who live off those players/workers/entertainers talents and only exist and have their jobs because of the unique stills and talents those players/workers/entertainers.

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Packers0808's picture

April 30, 2023 at 06:55 am

Loyal is like someone like me who has been a Packer fan since 1958 who hasn't done anything but criticize every time something I didn't agree with happened like your useless diatribes each time.Risible!

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Johnblood27's picture

April 30, 2023 at 09:16 am

s2r - your leftist bullshit is just noise to excite the unwashed. There would be NO elevated platform for athletes to perform upon if somebody didn't take the financial and personal risks needed to form and hold together the elevated professional athletic leagues.

The same principle applies to other forms of venture. You seem to believe that everyone involved should get an equal share in the rewards with a central entity altruistically creating the platforms. That does not work with human beings, the central entity always hoards power and benefit. I prefer an entrepreneurial approach where individuals with the drive and desire can create ventures they conceptualize and build. Rewards filter through for participants or competitors take over the space. A democratically elected Central government with checks and balances, taxes and regulates but does not own the means of production.

Things don't just happen. It takes vision, capital and proper risk management to bring a venture to fruition. Players or talented individuals need a platform to perform from, in certain industries they are sometimes the ones that create their own platform, sometimes they need to join one of someone else's creation. If you bring enough value you get rewarded.

You have no respect for those that take the risks and create platforms that others can then use to elevate themselves. Your idea of "plantation slaves" are all very well compensated for their contributions. Nobody is getting whipped and fed gruel in professional sports, ever hear of a "Players Union"? It is not the same as a "Central Party".

Perhaps a relocation would salve your wounded psyche? There are places where your utopian visions are being trialed. How is that working out for them? Their elite athletes all yearn to come perform upon the stage built by Americans and practiced in America.

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13TimeChamps's picture

April 29, 2023 at 07:27 pm

Are you telling me Gutekunst didn't assemble a talented enough squad when we had the number 1 seed and choked against Tampa Bay at home? That was a Super Bowl team. Was that Gutekunst who kept trying to force the ball to double/triple covered Adams while other receivers were wide open? Was that Gutekunst who couldn't take advantage of 3 Brady interceptions?

GB had the more talented team that day, in no small part to our GM. Rodgers choked once again.

You're right...we deserved better.

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

April 29, 2023 at 10:37 pm

"GB had the more talented team that day, in no small part to our GM. Rodgers choked once again."

13TimeChamps,

Take it from someone who has been going to and watching Packer games & cheering them on with Packer fans from the 40s and 50s, pre Lombardi, for over 60 years.

There are 3 categories of people attacking Rodgers:

1) The SPOILED BRATS - alleged Packer "fans" who are 40 years old or younger and have never experienced 3 consecutive years where the Packers did not make the playoffs - and who are also Aaron Rodgers haters, who are not satisfied w the fact that the Packers - with Aaron Rodgers as the starting QB & leader over the past 15 years - appeared:

a) in the playoffs more years - 11 - than any other NFC team or QB

b) in more NFC championship games - 5 - than any other NFC team or QB,

c) in more NFC playoff games - 21 - than any other NFC team or QB

and also:

d) had as many Super Bowl wins - as any other NFC team or QB over those 15 yrs, despite the facts that:

i) the Packers - unlike any of the other 31 teams - never drafted a WR, RB or TE in the first round over the past 20 years, 2003 through 2022, (and this was continued again this year in 2023)

ii) the Packers, despite the emphasis on defense in the first round, fielded only 3 top 10 defenses over those 15yrs of Aaron starting compared to Tom Brady's teams having had top 10 defenses in 12 of those 15 yrs & having had higher ranked defenses in 14 of those 15 yrs.

2) The CHURCH LADIES - self righteous hypocritical reactionary types that do not question anything those in authority tell them and instead eat up gossip, rumors, hysteria, fabrications and lies deliberated created by the 31 Billionaire Parasitic NFL owners and disseminated through their paid talking heads, as such hoarding, selfish, insecure and greed driven Parasitic Owners cannot have the "inmates running the prison" (the late Bob McNair, Houston Texans owner) nor have a charismatic, well liked, intelligent, free thinker questioning or challenging their PROPAGANDA as the consequence would be their loss of wealth and power.

3) THE PACKER MANAGEMENT PAID SYCOPHANTS who are here to distribute Packer Management (i.e. Brian and Russ Ball) TALKING POINTS and Propaganda (also euphemistically known as "Public Relations) in order to scape goat Packer Players and Coaches for this Packer Management's insecurities and fear of Packer Veteran Team Leaders and, due to this fear, their lack of communication with such Veteran Leader Players and instead treatment of such Veteran Team Leader players as ENEMIES rather Comrades in arms. ..

The Propaganda and Scapegoating of players is to:

I) set Packer fan expectations for winning at a low level in preparation for years of losing,

II) Divert the blame for such losses from where it justly belongs - Packer Management, in particular General Manager, Brian Gutekunst - and onto to present and past Packer Veteran Player Leaders and coaches.

The consequence of such non communicative, inexperienced, insecure, impatient, impulsive and imprudent Packer Management is the alienation of Packer Veteran Leader players and destruction of the team and its chemistry as Packer Management - when it is questioned as to its illogical choices - becomes ever more resistant and contrarian and reactionary to Packer Veteran Team Leaders and TRUE Packer fans questioning their irrational decisions and thus undertake an unnecessary "Scorch the Earth" policy - divesting of all Packer Veteran friends of its most Charismatic Leader, leaving the team with largely inexperienced low draft round rookies and undrafted free agents and an abundance of first round defense draft choices which do not help the Charismatic and Well LIked Packer Leader's successor, Jordan Love.

Such illogical and contrarian choices by the General Manager are because the fearful, insecure, over his head,, General Manager Brian Gutekunst must seek to prove his illogical decisions were correct - even through they obviously were not and are not - more and more as he makes such illogical choices, as he is left with no other alternative - the further he goes in digging the grave of what was a top Packer team - 42-11 best record in the NFL after game 4, just 13 weeks prior to the end of the season - along with his own grave as Packer General Manager.

13Time Champs, which one are you:

1) SPOILED BRAT

2) CHURCH LADY

3) PACKER MANAGEMENT PAID SYCOPHANT

As for Brady and Rodgers and the January 24, 2021 Tampa Game:

Brady played in the worst division in football for a good part of his career - Jets, Dolphins, Bills were all terrible

As for the January 24, 2021 Tampa Bay game, once again the defense came to Brady's aid as Bucs caused Aaron Jones to fumble and give Brady the ball at the Green Bay 8 yard line . Brady threw 3 interceptions on the 3 consecutive possessions in the 3rd quarter - in Bucs territory - and was thoroughly outplayed by Rodgers who led 90, 69, 75 and 68 yard scoring drives - - 33 of 48 for 346 yards, 3 touchdowns and 1 interception to Brady's 20 of 36, for 280 yards 3 Tds and 3 interceptions. scoring on short fied 8 and 51 yards and the fluke last half mental coaching lapse by the Packers.

The Coaching miscue with 8 seconds left in the half - not playing a prevent defense and leaving Kevin King (chosen when Brian, probably subbing for the terminally ill Thompson let TJ Watt pass by as well as offensive play makers) alone on an island also contributed to the loss - again Brady had the 8th ranked defense behind and Rodgers the 13th.

Packers Management should have signed Kaeppernick in 2017 when Aaron went down and the Packers would have made the playoffs then too - i instead they went along with the colluding 31 Billionaires and went with the Brett Hundley disaster, another wasted 5th round draft choice, .

Rodgers can't play special teams and defense - it is much easier to win when the defense doesn't put you behind and the defense and special teams gets you decent field position.

You can look at all those games and see that the defense and special teams did Green Bay and Rodgers no favor Not true for Brady.

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CheesePuff's picture

April 29, 2023 at 10:50 pm

Drop the mike - BOOM! Abso-dam-lutely!

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fthisJack's picture

April 30, 2023 at 08:07 am

If it's so damn bad, why are you even watching the Green Bay Packers? Or any football? You are an unhappy complainer and need to play with your dog on Sundays.

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

April 30, 2023 at 10:22 am

"If it's so damn bad, why are you even watching the Green Bay Packers? Or any football? You are an unhappy complainer and need to play with your dog on Sundays."

ftthisjack,

What is "it"?

LOVE the game.

LOVE all the Packer players - ALL the players, including the new draft choices and Jordan Love.

My fellow Packer fan friends - the oldest of whom have been attending Packer games since the 40s - ALWAYS cheer the players - - NEVER boo the players.

Our Loyalty and Love however is reserved for the players/workers/entertainers - i.e. the Packer Team - that creates the show for us to watch, putting their brains, bodies and lives at risk every time they step on the field during their average less than 3 year career, loyalty is not for the parasitic owners and stuffed shirt management or others that make profit and live off those players/workers/entertainers talents and only exist and have their jobs and businesses and economic existence because of the unique stills and talents those players/workers/entertainers.

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croatpackfan's picture

May 01, 2023 at 04:34 am

You have very strange view on love (not Love). As with kids, you never know exactly what they'll become. But you try to support them to develop in at least decent human beings.

Rarely you'll reach that goal by pure criticize them, but founding what they are good at and support them to develop and growth in that. And you do that, also, by trying to correct their falls.

There is no other way. That is love. Not calling them "busts", trying to mold them to your vision of their future, but supporting them to be better in alk area they have talents. To simplify to you: If you want your kid to be lawyer, but he has talent for music, you should not push him in what you want to be, but support them to be in what they can excell, and in what they like to do in their lifes.

Also, to achieve that goal you have to be the hardest critic, but not of them, on yourself and your "feelings" about them. Your goal is success for them. And the highest success for them is not to be rich (it helps, of course, if they will become wealthy), but to be happy with themselves.

And yes, I saw several or more earlier posts how some stood to defend one poster who wrote something unfavor of Packers GM. His so called "opinion" is not on the work BG did, but on BG's personality. Let say this - I might not agree what someone did, and I will complain on that. But I will not attack person, I will place my opinion on his doing. But if someone take on other person, I think I have the right to answer at the same level. Because, what you think is allowed to you, you should allow to the others. So, no, those defenders were and are not right.

So, if you are so miserable with this, Packers franchize moving forward, instead to disrespect professional people and feel bad about it, I suggests you to think over is there any possibility to still be "married" with them. With that I do not try to tell you to go and become fan of other franchize, but to start to solve your problem you have with this organization. Same is when you are married with woman you can not find common ground.

Do I agreed on all what this franchize is doing? No. I will express my opinion on the work they doing. And if someone make decision and tell me that "they are not idiots" what that means? If they are not idiots, am I, if I do not agree with their decision?

Just to prevent your take on me about characterization of Mark Murphy, I said quite a lot! After all time showed that they had no other arguments for that enormous contract they gave to ACR and in their defend they named all of us who were against it The Idiots!

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 30, 2023 at 09:57 am

A.Jones coughed it up 2x, King's epic failures and 14 points scored by the opppnent in the span of 30 seconds. Savage clueless in coverage, can't stop the 3rd and 8,..Total TEAM FU. I attended Both Games.

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DoubleJ's picture

April 29, 2023 at 07:58 pm

How many years do you think Gute has been GM?

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KKB's picture

April 29, 2023 at 09:52 pm

WR Jayden Reed? Really.
This feels like the Creed Humphry issue all over again, where Gutey thinks he is smarter than everyone else.

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DoubleJ's picture

April 29, 2023 at 10:51 pm

Well he is smarter than you so that is a start.

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SpikeHyzer's picture

April 30, 2023 at 02:45 pm

A statistical analysis recently published for the last 5 years says Gutey is the #6 ranked drafter in that time span.
You are wrong.

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

April 30, 2023 at 04:43 pm

SpikeHyzer

April 30, 2023 at 02:45 pm

"A statistical analysis recently published for the last 5 years says Gutey is the #6 ranked drafter in that time span.
You are wrong."

SpikeHyzer:

I would be interested in reading that. Can you please post the link?

The assessment of Brian's drafting below was from Pro Football Focus analysts who looked at “PFF wins above replacement over a four-year rookie contract.” for all players drafted by the 32 GMs. PFF's numbers showed:

"The Packers ranked 17th in terms of draft success in the first round, taking into account positional value, and 7th in the NFC.

On Day 2 (rounds 2 and 3), the Packers have been below average since 2017. The team ranked 27th.

Finally, the Packers rank 21st on Day 3 (4th round to 7th round) in team draft success from 2017 until 2022."

The PFF article Rex Sheild of Cheesehead TV referenced in Rex's April 14, 2023 article:
"Draftin' Ain't Easy: How the Packers Have Drafted Since 2017

Some teams navigate the draft waters better than others. "

was titled "NFL general manager superlatives, trends: Most successful at trade-ups, best Day 3 drafters and more" and was written by Brad Spielberger on April 11, 2023.

Rex of Cheesehead Tv was just trying to be kind to Brian Gutekunst. with his qualifying "but....."

After all, even though Cheesehead TV claims at the top of their website:

"Cheesehead TV is not affiliated with the Green Bay Packers or the National Football League."

for some unknown reason, Cheeshead TV also offer that:

"We are the 1st independent fan site to be officially credentialed at a Packer Regular
Season, Playoff Game & Superbowl (XLV)."

and I am sure they do not want to lose Packer Management and "The League" (i.e. the 31 Billionaires Owners) credentialing them.

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Iain's picture

May 01, 2023 at 04:13 am

We don't deserve anything.

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PASSdaRELISH's picture

April 29, 2023 at 07:02 pm

Some GM’s are just masters of the draft and ours is just simply in over his head. This may be just slightly better than the stellar draft of 2020.

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Packerpasty's picture

April 29, 2023 at 07:22 pm

Eagles who didn't need much blew it out of the park...not even fair!!

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PASSdaRELISH's picture

April 29, 2023 at 07:32 pm

I agree 100%

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splitpea1's picture

April 29, 2023 at 07:55 pm

I would agree that they cleaned up big time.

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DoubleJ's picture

April 29, 2023 at 08:00 pm

Odds are if you think your team has an amazing draft the players don't end up great. How many times do we hear about the Lions or Browns or Jets killing the off-season and draft and still going 4-12 every year for the next 10 years?

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

April 30, 2023 at 02:22 am

NFL.com gave us and the Eagles an A-

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Fubared's picture

April 30, 2023 at 11:39 am

IMO only my opine, Gutt is the dumbest laziest GM in football. He does everything to cater to Russ Ball the money man and Alfred E Murphy who represents the income side of the franchise.
Lose two receivers you cant afford, draft replacements. Possibly losing a top pass rusher next year (Gary will not re sign) draft his replacement now.
He isnt trying to find and draft talent as much as looking at who they cant keep and who they can on cheap rookie contracts. This is cheap money ball drafting at its best.

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Oppy's picture

April 30, 2023 at 05:54 pm

If you are blasting Gutekunst for finding replacements for players the they can't afford to keep (reminder- this is your premise, not mine), I would love to hear what your alternative plan would be.

You can't make this stuff up.

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Lphill's picture

April 29, 2023 at 07:25 pm

Lions had a better draft .

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davekenya's picture

April 29, 2023 at 09:41 pm

Taking into account the number of picks and pick locations, valuewise, I think:

Phily had a great draft
Pitts & Cleveland had very good drafts
Denver and Miami did pretty good too...

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SpikeHyzer's picture

April 30, 2023 at 02:46 pm

Lions first two picks were the worst picks of the entire draft.
Clueless.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 30, 2023 at 08:34 pm

They could have had a better draft, but the FU started with drafting Willams instead of Watson and helped the Pack. Praise the Lord; then doubled down with Gibbs and Campbell. Now they want to move DeAndre Swift. LaPorta and Branch, good that left Tucker Kraft on the board and if Musgrave is 100% a dual threat to run the New Offense and spread out the Norris Division defenses. The Purple are still drafting CBs and Safeties after whiffing three consecutive drafts. They were desperate to keep Harrison Smith. Watch out for Watson, 2023.

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

April 29, 2023 at 08:47 pm

Below are the 9 Packers picked today, Pick # and where NFL.com and NFL Draft Buzz felt they would be drafted, if at all.

NFL.com had 4 of the 9 Packer draft choices today as undrafted free agents.

NFL Draft Buzz had 5 of the 9 Packer draft choices today as undrafted free agent and 1 - Anders Carlson- the kicker brother of Raiders kicker Daniel Carlson not listed at all.

1 - 116 Colby Wooden LB, Auburn, NFL.com: Draft Projection Rounds 2-3, NFL Draft Buzz: Pick #111, 3.4 round

2 - 149 Sean Clifford QB, Penn State, NFL.com: Priority Undrafted free agent, NFL Draft Buzz: Pick #482 Undrafted Free Agent - made visit to Green Bay

3 - 159 Dontayvion Wicks, Wide Receiver, Virginia, NFL.com: Draft Projection Round 5, NFL Draft Buzz: Pick #179, 5.5 round - made visit to Green Bay

4- 179 Karl Brooks Defensive Tackle Bowling Green, NFL.com: Draft Projection Rounds 6-7, NFL Draft Buzz: #142, 4.4 round- made visit to Green Bay

5- 207 Anders Carlson Kicker Auburn (last played 2021, ACL tear), NFL.com: Priority Undrafted Free Agent, NFL Draft Buzz: (Not Listed)

6 - 232 Carrington Valentine, CB, Kentucky, NFL.com Draft Projection Undrafted Priority free agent, NFL Draft Buzz: Pick #259 Undrafted Free Agent

7 - 235, NFL.com: Lew Nichols III, RB, Central Michigan, NFL.com: Draft Projection Undrafted Priority free agent, NFL Draft Buzz: Pick # 292 Undrafted Free Agent - made visit to Green Bay

8- 242, Anthony Johnson Jr., CB, Iowa State Virginia, NFL.com: Round 5, NFL Draft Buzz: #275 Undrafted Free Agent

9 - 256, Grant Dubose, WR, Charlotte, NFL.com: Draft Projection Rounds 6-7, NFL Draft Buzz: #279 Undrafted Free Agent

I see no one drafted Bryce Ford-Wheaton 6 foot 3, 220 pound WR out of West Virginia and the Big 12 with the strong Combine:

4.38 Forty yard dash (4th of 43, Reed was 16th, Dubose 34, and Wicks 40th),

1.54 10 yard split (26th, Dubose was 15th, Reed 38th, Wicks 40th)

41 inch vertical jump (1st, Wicks 10th, Dubose 28th, JSN 29th, Reed 37th) ,

10 foot 9 inch broad jump (13th, Wicks 9th, Dubose 24th, JSN 25th, Reed 38th),

6.97 3 cone drill (Wheaton-ford 7, JSN 1st, Dubose 3rd),

and

4.15 20 yard shuttle (Ford Wheaton 3rd, JSN 1, Reed 10th, Dubose 13th)

Ford-Wheaton was a 4 year player at West Virginia and caught 62 passes this last year.

Although Ford-Wheaton is at the top or near the top of the NFL combine numbers in the 40, the Vertical and Broad Jump, he - nor anyone the Packers picked or have on the roster - is close to Jaxon Smith-Njigba's 3.93 20 yard shuttle or 6.57 3 cone drill.

JSN is probably the most elusive and best route runner of all of the wide receivers - closest thing we have to Davante Adams.

No burners among the 3 receivers the Packers drafted, but Wicks shows some leaping ability and Dubose some agility.

Ford-Wheaton has 1) Size, 2) Speed and 3) Leaping ability but lacks agility - would be straight line speed receiver and leaper like Christian Watson.

Watched the films of the wide receivers - Ford-Wheaton, Dubose, Wicks, and Reed - and Wicks looks the best of them. All look like they will challenge Doubs and Toure and Melton and Cotton and for the 2nd starting position behind Watson or a spot on the roster which says there is NO ALL FUTURE ALL PRO there. No surprise though as of the 28 receivers the Packers drafted from Rodgers first year - 2005 - none were drafted in the 1st round and only Davante Adams (2nd round 53rd pick) made 1st team all Pro (2020 and 2021). Only Davante Adams (2014 2nd round 53rd pick) and Greg Jennings (2006 2nd round 52nd pick) have been selected to the Pro Bowl multiple times, Adams 6 times and Jennings 2 times.

None of these players' film however JUMPS OUT at you like Christian Watson's college tapes did last year or Jaxon Njigba 2021 college tapes. .

Also watched Nichols film - definitely not a speed demon, he patiently waits for his blockers and looks for holes. North south runner, not lateral. I would be surprised if he beat out Taylor or Goodson for a 3rd spot on the roster.

This should be interesting as both NFL.com and NFL Draft Buzz had about one half of the 9 players the Packers drafted today, not being drafted at all and maybe signed as Undrafted Free Agents.

Based on the 33 players various websites:
Sports Illustrated
Fan Nation
Acme Packing Company
Dariyland Express
CBS Sports
Packers Wire/USA Today
list of college players that have visited the Packers:

# Name College POS HT,WT Buzz Rk Round

1 Michael Mayer Notre Dame TE 6-4, 249 18 0.5
2 Darnell Wright Tennessee OT 6-5, 333 44 0.8
3 Dalton Kincaid Utah TE 6-4, 246 38 0.8
4 Will McDonald IV Iowa State DE 6-4, 239 39 1.1
5 Darnell Washington Georgia TE 6-6, 264 27 1.2
6 Felix Anudike-Uzomah Kansas State DE 6-3, 255 51 1.5
7 Keion White Georgia Tech DL 6-5. 285 48 1.6
8 Hendon Hooker Tennessee QB 6-3. 217 23 1.7
9 Adetomiwa Adebawore Northwestern DL 6-2, 282 52 1.8
10 Tyrique Stevenson Miami CB 6-0, 189 67 2.2
11 Rashee Rice SMU WR 6-1, 204 73 2.3
12 Jammie Robinson Florida State S 5-11, 191 79 2.8
13 Jaquelin Roy LSU DT 6-3, 305 124 2.9
14 Jartavius “Quan” Martin Illinois CB 5-11, 194 118 3.1
15 Karl Brooks Bowling Green DL 6-3, 296 142 3.4
16 Dontayvion Wicks Virginia WR 6-1, 206 179 4.1
17 Josh Whyle Cincinnati TE 6-6, 248 179 4.4
18 Keaton Mitchell East Carolina RB 5-7, 179 138 5.5
19 Atonio Mafi UCLA G 6-4, 329 168 6.7
20 Evan Hull Northwestern RB 5-10, 209 243 7.0
21 Quindell Johnson Memphis S 6-0, 204 258 7.3
22 Jordan Howden Minnesota SAF 5-11, 203 315 7.8
23 Lew Nichols III Central Mich. RB 5-11, 222 274 9.3
24 Tyrus Wheat Miss. State OLB 6-2, 263 315 9.5
25 Ben Sims Baylor TE 6-4, 250 315 10.8
26 Kadeem Telfort UAB OT 6-7, 322 363 11.8
27 Tanner Morgan Minnesota QB 6-0, 204 354 12.1
28 Sean Clifford Penn State QB 6-2, 218 478 12.9
29 Marte Mapu Sacremento State LB 6-3, 217 0 0.0
30 Cole Tucker Nothern Illinois WR 6-2, 195 0.0
31 Ryan Miller Furman WR 6-1, 210 0.0
32 Camren McDonald Florida State TE 6-4, 237 435 0.0
33 Scott Matlock Boise State DL 6-4, 296 0.0
34 Adonicas Sanders Temple WR 6-0, 189 0.0
it looks like Packers are emphasizing Tight End in round 1 and edge rusher and/or defensive lineman in round 2.
TE - 6 (3 in round 1, 1 in round 4 or 5, 2 undrafted free agents)
QB - 3 (1 in round 1 or 2, 2 undrafted free agents)
WR - 5 (1 in round 3, 1 round 5 thru 7, 3 undrafted free agents)
RB - 3 (1 in 5th, 2 undrafted free agents)
OT - 2 (1 in round 1 or 2, 1 undrafted free agent)
G - 1 ( 1 late 4th or 5th)
Total offense = 20
DL = 4 (2 late round 1, 1 mid round 3, 1 undrafted free agent)
DE = 2 (early 2nd round)
DT = 1 (late round 2 or early round 3)
LB = 2 (1 5th round, 1 undrafted free agent)
CB = 1 (3rd round)
SAF = 3 (1 late 2nd, 2 7th round or undrafted free agent)
Total Defense = 13

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DoubleJ's picture

April 29, 2023 at 09:44 pm

Stop reposting your same BS multiple times!!! We get it you don't like Gute and have a huge crush on Rodgers. However, you still post essay long posts of nothing but BS. You have no clue what you are talking about and use massive posts to make it seem like you know anything.

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

April 30, 2023 at 12:07 am

However, you still post essay long posts of nothing but BS

Doublej

No BS at all, just the facts and:

1) NFL Combine times and athletic performance measures of Reed, Wicks, and Dubose - the 3 receivers drafted by Packer Management IN 2023 - and other receivers passed over

2) The 28 Packer Receivers drafted from 2003 through 2022 (20 YEARS) and their 1st team All Pro and Pro Bowl Appearances by round:

I see no one drafted Bryce Ford-Wheaton 6 foot 3, 220 pound WR out of West Virginia and the Big 12 with the strong Combine:

4.38 Forty yard dash (4th of 43, Reed was 16th, Dubose 34, and Wicks 40th),

1.54 10 yard split (26th, Dubose was 15th, Reed 38th, Wicks 40th)

41 inch vertical jump (1st, Wicks 10th, Dubose 28th, JSN 29th, Reed 37th) ,

10 foot 9 inch broad jump (13th, Wicks 9th, Dubose 24th, JSN 25th, Reed 38th),

6.97 3 cone drill (Wheaton-ford 7, JSN 1st, Dubose 3rd),

and

4.15 20 yard shuttle (Ford Wheaton 3rd, JSN 1, Reed 10th, Dubose 13th)

Ford-Wheaton was a 4 year player at West Virginia and caught 62 passes this last year.

Although Ford-Wheaton is at the top or near the top of the NFL combine numbers in the 40, the Vertical and Broad Jump, he - nor anyone the Packers picked or have on the roster - is close to Jaxon Smith-Njigba's 3.93 20 yard shuttle or 6.57 3 cone drill.

JSN is probably the most elusive and best route runner of all of the wide receivers - closest thing we have to Davante Adams.

No burners among the 3 receivers the Packers drafted, but Wicks shows some leaping ability and Dubose some agility.

Ford-Wheaton has 1) Size, 2) Speed and 3) Leaping ability but lacks agility - would be straight line speed receiver and leaper like Christian Watson.

Watched the films of the wide receivers - Ford-Wheaton, Dubose, Wicks, and Reed - and Wicks looks the best of them. All look like they will challenge Doubs and Toure and Melton and Cotton and for the 2nd starting position behind Watson or a spot on the roster which says there is NO ALL FUTURE ALL PRO there. No surprise though as of the 28 receivers the Packers drafted from Rodgers first year - 2005 - none were drafted in the 1st round and only Davante Adams (2nd round 53rd pick) made 1st team all Pro (2020 and 2021). Only Davante Adams (2014 2nd round 53rd pick) and Greg Jennings (2006 2nd round 52nd pick) have been selected to the Pro Bowl multiple times, Adams 6 times and Jennings 2 times.

None of these players' film however JUMPS OUT at you like Christian Watson's college tapes did last year or Jaxon Njigba 2021 college tapes. .

Also watched Nichols film - definitely not a speed demon, he patiently waits for his blockers and looks for holes. North south runner, not lateral. I would be surprised if he beat out Taylor or Goodson for a 3rd spot on the roster.

28 PACKER RECEIVERS DRAFTED FROM 2003 THROUGH 2022 (20 YEARS)

Based on the Packers 20 year history the odds of the Packers finding a 2 or more time Pro Bowl Receiver beneath round 1 is 2 out of 28 or 7.1%

And based on the same 20 year history, the probability of the Packers finding an EVEN one time Pro Bowl Receiver below round 2 is ZERO.

The Packers drafted 28 receivers between 2003 and 2022, only 2 of the 28 selected made multiple pro bowls and both of those were selected in the 2nd round, Jennings (2 pro bowls) and Davante (6 pro bowls) and Davante had much better catch %'s with Aaron throwing to him than Derek Carr. Jordy also made 1 pro bowl and Cobb 1 pro bowl. Aaron's made all Packer receivers look better.

The other 24 Receivers disappeared and you mostly have long forgotten them or not ever heard of them after draft day:

The Packers have drafted 28 WRs over the last 20 years:

Name of Player, round picked, overall pick#

1) Carl Ford 2003, 7, 255
2) DeAndrews Rubin 2003, 7, 256
3) Craig Bragg 2005, 6, 195
4) Terrence Murphy 2005, 2, 58
5) Greg Jennings 2006, 2, 52 (2 pro bowls)
6) Cory Rodgers 2006, 4, 194
7) Will Blackmon WR/CB 2006, 4, 115
8) James Jones 2007, 3, 78
9) David Clowney 2007, 5, 157
10) Jordy Nelson 2008, 2, 36 (1 pro bowl)
11) Brett Swain 2008, 7, 217
12) Randall Cobb 2011, 2, 64 (1 pro bowl)
13) Charles Johnson 2013, 7, 2016
14 Kevin Dorsey 2013, 7, 224
15) Davante Adams 2014, 2, 53 (6 pro bowls, 5 of those with the Packers)
16) Jared Abbbrederis 2014, 5, 176
17) Jeff Janis 2014, 7, 236
18) Ty Montgomery 2015, 3, 94
19) Trevor Davis 2016, 5, 165
20) DeAngelo Yancy 2017, 5, 175
21) Malachi Dupre 2017, 7, 247
22) J'Mon Moore 2018, 4, 133
23) Marquez Valdes-Scantling 2018, 5, 174
24) Equanimeous St. Brown 2018, 6, 207
25) Amari Rodgers 2021, 3, 85
26) Christian Watson 2022, 2, 34
27) Romeo Doubs 2022, 4, 132
28) Samori Toure 2022, 7, 258

Packer receivers drafted before 2003 that made the pro bowl:

James Lofton (1978, 1st round 6th pick) - 7 pro bowls w Packers and 1 with Bills
Sterling Sharpe (1984, 1st round, 7th pick) - 5 pro bowls
Donald Driver (1999, 7th round, 213th pick) - 3 pro bowls
Carroll Dale (1960, 8th round, 86th pick) - 3 pro bowls
Boyd Dowler (1959, 3rd round, 25th pick) - 2 pro bowls
John Jefferson (1978, 1st round, 14th pick) - 1 pro bowl w Packers and 3 with San Diego
Roell Preston (1995, 5th round, 145th pick) - 1 pro bowl for special teams
Javon Walker (2002, 1st round, 20th pick) - 1 pro bowl
Steve Odom (1974, 5th round, 116th pick) - 1 pro bowl for special teams
Antonio Freeman (1995, 3rd round, 90th pick) - 1 pro bowl
Bob Jeter CB and WR (1960, 2nd round, 17th pick) - 2 pro bowls for cornerback play

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DoubleJ's picture

April 30, 2023 at 11:06 am

You aren't talking facts at all. You mix some bogus data and then make wild conjecture. You try to use long posts to make yourself sound smart but you don't know anything.

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

April 30, 2023 at 12:11 am

"However, you still post essay long posts of nothing but BS"

Doublej

No BS at all, just the facts and:

1) NFL Combine times and athletic performance measures of Reed, Wicks, and Dubose - the 3 receivers drafted by Packer Management IN 2023 - and other receivers passed over

2) The 28 Packer Receivers drafted from 2003 through 2022 (20 YEARS) and their 1st team All Pro and Pro Bowl Appearances by round:

I see no one drafted Bryce Ford-Wheaton 6 foot 3, 220 pound WR out of West Virginia and the Big 12 with the strong Combine:

4.38 Forty yard dash (4th of 43, Reed was 16th, Dubose 34, and Wicks 40th),

1.54 10 yard split (26th, Dubose was 15th, Reed 38th, Wicks 40th)

41 inch vertical jump (1st, Wicks 10th, Dubose 28th, JSN 29th, Reed 37th) ,

10 foot 9 inch broad jump (13th, Wicks 9th, Dubose 24th, JSN 25th, Reed 38th),

6.97 3 cone drill (Wheaton-ford 7, JSN 1st, Dubose 3rd),

and

4.15 20 yard shuttle (Ford Wheaton 3rd, JSN 1, Reed 10th, Dubose 13th)

Ford-Wheaton was a 4 year player at West Virginia and caught 62 passes this last year.

Although Ford-Wheaton is at the top or near the top of the NFL combine numbers in the 40, the Vertical and Broad Jump, he - nor anyone the Packers picked or have on the roster - is close to Jaxon Smith-Njigba's 3.93 20 yard shuttle or 6.57 3 cone drill.

JSN is probably the most elusive and best route runner of all of the wide receivers - closest thing we have to Davante Adams.

No burners among the 3 receivers the Packers drafted, but Wicks shows some leaping ability and Dubose some agility.

Ford-Wheaton has 1) Size, 2) Speed and 3) Leaping ability but lacks agility - would be straight line speed receiver and leaper like Christian Watson.

Watched the films of the wide receivers - Ford-Wheaton, Dubose, Wicks, and Reed - and Wicks looks the best of them. All look like they will challenge Doubs and Toure and Melton and Cotton and for the 2nd starting position behind Watson or a spot on the roster which says there is NO ALL FUTURE ALL PRO there. No surprise though as of the 28 receivers the Packers drafted from Rodgers first year - 2005 - none were drafted in the 1st round and only Davante Adams (2nd round 53rd pick) made 1st team all Pro (2020 and 2021). Only Davante Adams (2014 2nd round 53rd pick) and Greg Jennings (2006 2nd round 52nd pick) have been selected to the Pro Bowl multiple times, Adams 6 times and Jennings 2 times.

None of these players' film however JUMPS OUT at you like Christian Watson's college tapes did last year or Jaxon Njigba 2021 college tapes. .

Also watched Nichols film - definitely not a speed demon, he patiently waits for his blockers and looks for holes. North south runner, not lateral. I would be surprised if he beat out Taylor or Goodson for a 3rd spot on the roster.

28 PACKER RECEIVERS DRAFTED FROM 2003 THROUGH 2022 (20 YEARS)

Based on the Packers 20 year history the odds of the Packers finding a 2 or more time Pro Bowl Receiver beneath round 1 is 2 out of 28 or 7.1%

And based on the same 20 year history, the probability of the Packers finding an EVEN one time Pro Bowl Receiver below round 2 is ZERO.

The Packers drafted 28 receivers between 2003 and 2022, only 2 of the 28 selected made multiple pro bowls and both of those were selected in the 2nd round, Jennings (2 pro bowls) and Davante (6 pro bowls) and Davante had much better catch %'s with Aaron throwing to him than Derek Carr. Jordy also made 1 pro bowl and Cobb 1 pro bowl. Aaron's made all Packer receivers look better.

The other 24 Receivers disappeared and you mostly have long forgotten them or not ever heard of them after draft day:

The Packers have drafted 28 WRs over the last 20 years:

Name of Player, round picked, overall pick#

1) Carl Ford 2003, 7, 255
2) DeAndrews Rubin 2003, 7, 256
3) Craig Bragg 2005, 6, 195
4) Terrence Murphy 2005, 2, 58
5) Greg Jennings 2006, 2, 52 (2 pro bowls)
6) Cory Rodgers 2006, 4, 194
7) Will Blackmon WR/CB 2006, 4, 115
8) James Jones 2007, 3, 78
9) David Clowney 2007, 5, 157
10) Jordy Nelson 2008, 2, 36 (1 pro bowl)
11) Brett Swain 2008, 7, 217
12) Randall Cobb 2011, 2, 64 (1 pro bowl)
13) Charles Johnson 2013, 7, 2016
14 Kevin Dorsey 2013, 7, 224
15) Davante Adams 2014, 2, 53 (6 pro bowls, 5 of those with the Packers)
16) Jared Abbbrederis 2014, 5, 176
17) Jeff Janis 2014, 7, 236
18) Ty Montgomery 2015, 3, 94
19) Trevor Davis 2016, 5, 165
20) DeAngelo Yancy 2017, 5, 175
21) Malachi Dupre 2017, 7, 247
22) J'Mon Moore 2018, 4, 133
23) Marquez Valdes-Scantling 2018, 5, 174
24) Equanimeous St. Brown 2018, 6, 207
25) Amari Rodgers 2021, 3, 85
26) Christian Watson 2022, 2, 34
27) Romeo Doubs 2022, 4, 132
28) Samori Toure 2022, 7, 258

Packer receivers drafted before 2003 that made the pro bowl:

James Lofton (1978, 1st round 6th pick) - 7 pro bowls w Packers and 1 with Bills
Sterling Sharpe (1984, 1st round, 7th pick) - 5 pro bowls
Donald Driver (1999, 7th round, 213th pick) - 3 pro bowls
Carroll Dale (1960, 8th round, 86th pick) - 3 pro bowls
Boyd Dowler (1959, 3rd round, 25th pick) - 2 pro bowls
John Jefferson (1978, 1st round, 14th pick) - 1 pro bowl w Packers and 3 with San Diego
Roell Preston (1995, 5th round, 145th pick) - 1 pro bowl for special teams
Javon Walker (2002, 1st round, 20th pick) - 1 pro bowl
Steve Odom (1974, 5th round, 116th pick) - 1 pro bowl for special teams
Antonio Freeman (1995, 3rd round, 90th pick) - 1 pro bowl
Bob Jeter CB and WR (1960, 2nd round, 17th pick) - 2 pro bowls for cornerback play

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

April 30, 2023 at 02:23 am

NFL.com rated GB and PHI the same, A-

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Coldworld's picture

April 30, 2023 at 09:48 am

This guy is the worst thing to happen to this site in its history.

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CheesedDeadHead's picture

April 30, 2023 at 03:43 pm

Maybe CHTV could implement a words per post policy. I wouldn't read STR's posts, but at least my scroll finger wouldn't be tired by 9am every day.

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Coldworld's picture

April 30, 2023 at 05:24 pm

Kills the read because one can’t see the responses/interactions and lose the chain. That’s fine if once in a while someone has something to say (once), but this guy just drowns the whole thing over and over.

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JerseyAl's picture

April 30, 2023 at 07:28 pm

no worries - he's going away for ignoring my warning...

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Coldworld's picture

April 30, 2023 at 11:20 pm

Thank you.

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gsd3's picture

April 30, 2023 at 06:33 am

Would like to see them pick up Bryce Ford-Wheaton and Baldonado. Holton Ahlers (QB) as well.

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Handsback's picture

April 30, 2023 at 07:37 am

I think Gutsey was doing a roster turnover. He kept all of his 9 third day picks and seems to have built up that bottom half of the roster either because of lack of talent or too expensive. Even like some of his UDFA like Pearson and Watts.
He’s rebuilding and will continue to look to add new talent where he finds it.

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Handsback's picture

April 30, 2023 at 07:45 am

One last comment about the draft….everyone (not literally) wanted JSN as that 1st pick. Many never thought he would make it to 12. It would appear that many teams were a little leary of him so maybe the medical on him wasn’t that clean. We never see the medical nor the personalities that raise red flags during the draft, but don’t always assume that the choice in picks were between two medical clean players and the only difference was their position.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 30, 2023 at 10:05 am

Hard pass.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

April 30, 2023 at 11:15 am

WOW! Based on the DraftBuzz article linked to safety Christian Morgan, we want him being the first guy off the bus! He has 30 INCH HANDS!
I mean, he'll be great at opening the bus door...
:-D

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LeotisHarris's picture

April 30, 2023 at 05:37 pm

Be better if he had only one 30-inch hand. Could have Morgan step off the bus and give the first broadcast personality he encounters the Baron Von Raschke treatment.

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greengold's picture

May 02, 2023 at 02:07 pm

PEO!

Just watching Christian Morgan highlights now! Omg. He is a good player & great UDFA signing!

Christian Morgan - Baylor
6-0 200 4.52, vertical 40.5”!!!! Broad 10’11”!!!!!

Three year starter with big upside.

Career: 163 tackles, 7.5 TFL, 2 sacks, 7 INT, 12 PD

This guy is for reals!

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Fubared's picture

April 30, 2023 at 11:34 am

They couldnt find one fn kicker who has a better avg then 72%. This guy is going to get us killed.
"and now after busting their asses to win the game the ball is on the 33 and this is for the win" "Oopsy, he missed it to the right, game over we lose again".and what were all those other draft picks suppose to go to help us win?
I remember Zimmer in Minny canning a new kicker who missed three field goals in a game. When asked why not let the young man develop Zimmer scowled "were in the win now mode not the development mode".

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CheesedDeadHead's picture

April 30, 2023 at 03:45 pm

Yeah, we might not win the Super Bowl this year...

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

April 30, 2023 at 04:58 pm

CheesedDeadHead

April 30, 2023 at 03:45 pm

"Yeah, we might not win the Super Bowl this year..."

CheeseDeadHead,

After living, watching, attending, and cheering through the late sixties, seventies, eighties, and early nineties, I am ALWAYS happy when the Packers make the playoffs or are even "in the hunt" come week 17 or 18..

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Oppy's picture

April 30, 2023 at 06:10 pm

Well, if there's one thing that's certain, if you want to win Super Bowls, Zimmer has the road map.

It's part of the reason he's got the hardware in the showcase and has retained his job as Minnesota's Head Coach.

Seriously, Get the fuck outta here with that shit. You are a twat.

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Coldworld's picture

April 30, 2023 at 11:15 pm

Jamyest Williams is an unusual one. Former CB and S. Very small for a packers back. Probably a ST move, but interesting to see. Scouting report from the Tropical Bowl here: https://nfldraftblitz.com/2022/11/22/2023-tropical-bowl-scouting-notes-r...

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greengold's picture

May 01, 2023 at 05:15 am

Coldworld! OK. Now I’m excited. Damn!!! I’ve been quietly waiting for Gutekunst to take a flyer on a little guy at RB for years.

The Barry Sanders factor. It was a thing.

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greengold's picture

May 01, 2023 at 05:25 am

That speed is real with Jamyest Williams. As both a back & receiver. Could be cool-supercool.

https://youtu.be/-hTyskZjJgA

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greengold's picture

May 01, 2023 at 06:17 am

I CAN’T believe ESPN2 isn’t talking about Packers UDFA Jamyest Williams!!! Anybody know the Spectrum channel for ESPN de Ocho?

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The_Justicar's picture

May 01, 2023 at 11:17 am

Didn’t see him listed but pack also signed Edge Brian Cox of Florida (formerly Georgia). Got dismissed from both schools but was decently productive at UF. Seen a ton of their games and one thing Cox is good at - getting the nearly sack and just missing. Unique skill set.

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Scott Shurmur's picture

May 01, 2023 at 04:56 pm

Jack Plumb, OT, Iowa, is apparently a mini camp tryout invitee.

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greengold's picture

May 02, 2023 at 01:12 pm

How about Gutekunst signing Brenton Cox Jr. on Sunday night???!!!

WOW.

HELLO RUN D!!! Crazy motor. He’s got fire pass rush too!

Go look at his highlights. Unreal. Great signing.

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