The Lass Word: Pack Should Wait Rodgers Out

No need to jump into a trade anytime soon.

Well, it didn’t happen.  The day when it was supposed to happen passed by and nothing happened.  Which is not to say it couldn’t still happen.  Should it happen at all? 

 

Of course, I’m talking about the trade.  You know, that big secret trade that was already in place since before the NFL draft.  The one where the Packers send Aaron Rodgers to the Broncos, and in return they get twelve first round draft picks, carte blanche on anyone on the current Denver roster, and part ownership of the Rocky Mountains.  The two teams were waiting until after June 1st when the dead money hit was more friendly to the Green Bay budget.  

 

It didn’t happen, and, from the Packers’ point of view, there’s no reason why it should happen.  At least not yet.  The Packers are doing exactly what they should do.  They are playing the waiting game.  They have little to lose by maintaining a stance that Rodgers is not up for sale.  His absence at OTAs is inconvenient but not devastating.  He’s been in the LaFleur offense for two years.  He knows it pretty well.  He’s already developed cohesion with most of the receivers.  Would be nice for him to get to know newcomers Amari Rodgers and Devin Funchess, but there will be time for that. 

 

It’s probably not even much of a team setback if he misses a chunk of training camp and the preseason games.  He wouldn’t play much in them anyway.  Surely the plan in both OTAs and the preseason was to feature Jordan Love, who needs the reps and the evaluation. 

 

The mandatory fines will start kicking in, lightly at first, accelerating into the millions as the season draws nearer.  Fines the team does not have the power to rescind.   

 

So it’s hard to see any reason why the Packers should jump into a trade any time soon.  Rodgers certainly has the wealth to hold out or retire. but there doesn’t seem to be much upside in it for him.  If he’s not playing, the TV commercials will dry up.  No one cares if he endorses your product unless he’s on national TV leading his team to victory each week.  Hosting Jeopardy?  Reality check.  Rodgers showed he could get through the show smoothly, but other guest hosts have shown much more personality and energy.  Jeopardy producers know that, if Rodgers is not playing football, the novelty of his celebrityhood will wear off quickly.  He’s not getting that job if he quits football.  I don’t think he gets it regardless. He lacks the performing talent of former players like Peyton Manning and Michael Strahan who have managed to endure.

 

Meanwhile, he gets older and the window of his career edges toward conclusion.  Wouldn’t it be a much better strategy to report and play, have his best year ever, win a Super Bowl, and rely on the fact the Packers will be in much better position, and perhaps may even be planning, to trade him after 2021? 

 

He has other options.  Some feel he could force a trade by reporting and intentionally dogging it and being a locker room problem.  I don’t see this happening.  If Rodgers is sincere when he claims to love his teammates and the Green Bay fans, it seems unlikely he would try to sabotage the team.  Plus, how does that make him look in the eyes of his potential suitors?  Wouldn’t you wonder if he will pull that kind of stunt on your team if/when he becomes unhappy? 

 

There is also the possibility Rodgers could retire for a year and, after the Packers had committed cap money to other players, announce next year that he wants to return, knowing the team no longer has the cap space to pay him, thereby forcing a trade.  That would be a huge risk.  The Packers could dump players and welcome him back, meaning he would be right where he started, having lost a year off his career. 

 

I suppose the only downside for the Packers in playing the waiting game is the litany of negative publicity the franchise is enduring, as national commentators, most of them former players, blast the franchise for incompetence on a daily basis.   General Manager Brian Gutekunst has so far shown a pretty thick skin, telling the media that such criticism “comes with the gig.”  Rodgers could try to influence future free agents, like Davante Adams, not to re-sign with Green Bay.   The guess here is that won’t work.  Most athletes will follow the money, no matter where it comes from.  Green Bay recently made three different players the highest, or nearly highest paid players at their positions in the league. 

 

Does all this drama damage the overall reputation and perception of the Green Bay Packers?  It’s foolish to worry about that.  The public perception of sports franchises rises and falls almost daily depending on the news cycle.  Look at the Chicago Bears.  In the public eye that franchise was the poster child for futility and mismanagement.  Now they have drafted Justin Fields and suddenly they are the hot, exciting new team to watch.  Ridiculous.  Just win baby, and your organization will be respected and admired. 

 

For the present, it appears Green Bay is operating like a team expecting Rodgers to report.  The recent structure of Robert Tonyan’s new deal, for example, creates a tad more cap space, which may well indicate the team is bracing to absorb Rodgers massive $37 million hit this season, the highest in the NFL. 

 

It’s going to be a game of chicken from here on out.  I don’t think Gutekunst is going to blink.  He’s going to wait Rodgers out.  It’s the right move. 

 

 

 

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Ken Lass is a former Green Bay television sports anchor and 43 year media veteran, a lifelong Packers fan, and a shareholder.

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nostradanus's picture

June 03, 2021 at 03:15 pm

I don’t believe Rodgers sits out camp (maybe early he does) he loves being there, loves his teammates, loves to compete and wants to win a Super Bowl.

Also he’s not retiring anytime soon in fact his golf competition with Brady is only going to make him want to compete against him again in the championship game.

Rodgers will be under center for the first game of the season as a packer and the foreseeable future in Green Bay.

R-E-L-A-X

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egbertsouse's picture

June 03, 2021 at 03:49 pm

I agree, but think that he will enter the game riding a unicorn.

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nostradanus's picture

June 03, 2021 at 06:59 pm

Haha that-would-be-AWESOME!

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MajWhiplash's picture

June 03, 2021 at 06:12 pm

your FOS, he hates practice, he is a diva who has always thought, I don't need no stinking practice

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Since'61's picture

June 03, 2021 at 07:46 pm

Rodgers has been accused of many things but I have never heard that he does not work hard or that he hates practice. If you have a creditable source I'd like to check it out. Thanks, Since '61

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greengold's picture

June 03, 2021 at 07:53 pm

I agree 100%. Aaron Rodgers always works and is prepared. I’ve seen one hell of a lot of his practices in person, studied them. Consummate professional in that regard.

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June 04, 2021 at 09:55 am

So have I. Preparation has never been an issue with Rodgers. He works very hard. Probably one of the best prepared QBs in the NFL.

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Coldworld's picture

June 04, 2021 at 05:54 pm

He doesn’t like preseason games or inter squad scrimmages. Not the same thing

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Fabio's picture

June 03, 2021 at 03:30 pm

Excellent article in defense of the FO!
Too bad that this situation is the result of choices made by the FO. The same FO who now has no solution. (Unless skiing that AR retires is considered a good solution !!!)
The only truth is that the more time passes, the clearer it is that Gute didn't think he had to deal with this problem that he created. At the end of the circus the question is:
What will GB get for one of the strongest Qs ever and back from an MVP?
When we have the answer we will be able to say how good the FO was (personally I have very negative feelings !!)

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egbertsouse's picture

June 03, 2021 at 03:49 pm

Yup, the Packer spin machine is in full gear. The FO leaks a position and the "Packer press" spins it positively every day. If they trade Rodgers tomorrow, you will immediately see just as many stories about what a great deal they got.

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GregC's picture

June 03, 2021 at 05:21 pm

What position did the FO "leak"? They've said publicly that they have no intention of trading Rodgers. What is the "Packer press" aside from the team's own web site? The FO is taking a beating in the national media.

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Fabio's picture

June 04, 2021 at 04:13 am

There is no man in the industry who shares what the Packers are doing and everyone says that this situation shouldn't have been created !!!!
But we have the absolute truth !!
Like when we criticize D. Senders (to me he is unpleasant to death) who since 2015 said "AR will never again win an SB with Green Bay"
The truth hurts, but if it is the truth we can not help but accept it and if anything remedy the problems.
For 10 years everyone has been arguing that we have no ILB and no defense of the SB caliber !!! But every year we have to say that things are better and that everything is beautiful.
I close with a reflection ...
We had the Q with the greatest ability to handle the offense by granting the least number of interceptions in history which means that statistically it has kept our D off the field more than any other player. And despite this in 10 years we have never had a Top5 defense and in the last appearances at the NFCC we have granted 35 points on average !!!!! (at the end of Q2 the games were usually already over)
We continue to defend the FO !!!!!

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LambeauPlain's picture

June 04, 2021 at 10:06 am

The Packers FO has so mistreated Rodgers.

He has been insulted by being payed almost $250,000,000 to play a game.

He was offered, and he signed the largest NFL contract in the history of Earth in 2018 wearing a wide smile and expressing gratitude to the FO that abused him so.

He has the largest cap hit in the NFL...and in spite of that, the FO has abused him further by surrounding him with a great OL to keep him healthy, great weapons to get first downs with infantry or Air Force.

He was snubbed when the FO hired a young, creative offensive minded HC, who hired QB experts for OC and QB coach.

Rodgers has been so abused. How does he even manage to get up in the morning, get on a plane, fly to Hawaii?

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Coldworld's picture

June 04, 2021 at 10:21 am

The industry, if you mean team personnel, are not going to say anything in this type of situation. Pundits and retired types may, but they are not privy to much. Those in the league who know of Rodgers and the Packers will keep their views to themselves out of personal and team interests.

You need to understand that many will not be sympathetic to any such hold out for their own reasons. In the past, such behavior hasn’t won much support. Players play, FOs manage is the standard rough template. Rodgers use of the media is a know characteristic, as is his personality and those of Murphy and Gute. That’s going to be the primary framework for their private opinions.

One of the few highly respected (mostly) insiders to say anything at all is Jim Nagy. Not the Chicago coach (Matt). Nagy is a long time NFL. scout/executive who now runs the Senior Bowl. He commented tangentially that:

“Brian Gutekunst is one of most well-respected guys among his peers within the league. There’s some FO guys that lack people skills but Gutekunst isn’t one of them. He’s admitted he could’ve handled Rodgers situation differently but he’s typically good at relationships.”

Take that as you will, but telling us that everyone in the league thinks this is all Packers FO idiocy or that there was no plan (the current contract and roster strongly indicate a clear one) is ludicrous and almost certainly incorrect as to the existence of a plan and also regarding the likely preponderance of internal industry perception.

That doesn’t mean the plan was perfect, or that Gute, Murphy and co are either, but it’s time to accept that it’s a lot more complex than you appear willing to accept and that it’s certainly not as you present it, more likely it trends somewhat to the opposite.

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Michael Nault's picture

June 04, 2021 at 10:33 am

But how many Championship games has the diva one? only won, lost the rest of them. He had his chance. IMO he can't win the big one so he blames the FO for not getting him talent. We have had talent, you get that far and and win 13- 15 games, you have talent. Rodgers is not a good person nor is he a great QB, he is good, glad he is ours, but I cannot stand the person he is. Let him sit it out or retire, do not give him what he wants

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Bearmeat's picture

June 03, 2021 at 03:31 pm

Yep. Nailed it. Wait him out. He has no leverage, and a large majority of the fans aren’t “siding” with him. The ONLY thing I’d be angry at is if Murphy capitulated in any meaningful way. I DO NOT want ARod on the books for guaranteed contract money past 2021, as that would mean either that Love sucks (ugh) or he’s good, but they have to trade him to appease the aging diva (BARF).

We’ll never forget you, Darron.

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greengold's picture

June 03, 2021 at 03:39 pm

Gold star for that last line. All the way, man! NICE!

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Coldworld's picture

June 03, 2021 at 07:18 pm

I still remember Bent Favor. He was good you know! Canadian I think, well from a long way off anyway. Used to ride in to camp on a tractor.

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4thand10's picture

June 03, 2021 at 10:32 pm

I honestly don’t think it’s about a trade or money. He’s always practiced, prepared etc... I believe this is a rookie Minnie camp. A lot of vets don’t show up for those...even for a meet n greet. It’s not regular training camp.after COVID rules I’d be in Hawaii too if I were him. I take Rodgers for his word, which he says he wants to retire in GB. Is he taking a vacation away from football...yes. Was he pissed off at the front office? Yeah, I can see that. And I think everyone else does too. I’ll bet when training camp roles around...he’ll be there.

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Barnacle's picture

June 03, 2021 at 03:37 pm

I would be happy to acquire a couple draft picks and a good defensive player and send our diva on his way.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

June 03, 2021 at 11:32 pm

That is not nearly enough. Detroit got Goff, a 2021 third-round pick and first-round picks in 2022 and 2023 in exchange for Stafford.

Rodgers is worth 2 firsts and another first or 2 seconds AND 2 high quality starters on Rookie deals.

I don't want Rodgers Traded but if he was we are talking about probably the biggest deal since Herschel Walker.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

June 04, 2021 at 07:35 am

I concur Jeremy but in itself not good enough. Negotiations are in the details.

I am in Sales Mgmt and sales strategy and negotiation technique is imperative. Just yesterday, I was successful in getting an attorney and her client to blink first allowing me to achieve my financial objective. Successful sales negotiation encompasses many things, but often it requires patience waiting out the other party. Patience appears to be a big part of the negotiations with Rodgers and who I believe will blink first. Personally, I see the Packers being 100% in control and Rodgers is going to have to acquiesce. Will the Packers be graceful and spin whatever the final outcome is going to be by giving Rodgers some seemingly small victory? No doubt! Public relations and perceptions are important and they know they have to allow Rodgers some small victory but only if he is to remain in Green Bay.

I guarantee Love is being extremely monitored and every move dissected as they assess the Rodgers situation. If the Packers exercise patience in the Rodgers drama it is my hope the Packers do trade him if they can get what Jeremy suggests in 3 first round picks, and two established starters that are young on their first contracts. I would also be okay with two first round picks, two 2nd round picks with the two current starters.

Where I differ though is in the details. You know Rodgers will not be as good in year 1 learning the offense as he will in year 2. Give me the two established young stars, but give me a 1st and 2nd in year one for immediate gratification. Then give me another first and 2nd in year two. If that is all we received fine but get them ASAP for building a strong team as quickly as possible before losing talent on their 2nd or 3rd contract.

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June 04, 2021 at 10:26 am

Fire sellers rarely get great value. I think we are overly optimistic about not his worth but what teams will currently offer. Absent a bidding war I think we are in a weak negating position this off season. That could change if a QB in a good team goes down, but otherwise we may have to sell low to move him or wait til next off season. I suspect the latter is more likely.

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LambeauPlain's picture

June 04, 2021 at 11:20 am

I agree. 2022 is the time to trade Rodgers. Financial benefits are far better for the Packers then and they would likely net as much or more in picks or players then, assuming he had another good year.

Always a risk he gets hurt, somewhat less a risk if he sits/retires...but if I am the Pack, I take that risk for the greater ROI.

Rodgers knows this too.

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egbertsouse's picture

June 03, 2021 at 03:40 pm

"Waiting him out," huh. That's a euphemism for "doing nothing," right? Well, Murphy and Guter are certainly experts on doing that.

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Savage57's picture

June 04, 2021 at 06:09 am

He's the one in breach of the terms of his contract, no one else.

Sugar Punkin' needs to remember those heady days a few years back when the Packers front office 'did something' to the tune of forking over about $70M in bonus to him on one day.

His widdow feewings got hurt when they drafted Love, and his jacked up psyche went tilt over another of his perceived grudges and the chips it manufactures, but the sooner he finds where Shailene hid his big boy pants, the sooner this gets settled.

The organization's been nothing but loyal to you, enriching you to the tune of a quarter of a billion dollars. Reciprocate some of that, instead of acting like a bitch.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

June 04, 2021 at 07:37 am

Why wouldn't you wait Rodger's out? The Packers are 100% in control.

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LambeauPlain's picture

June 04, 2021 at 10:24 am

If you study the ROI, the time to trade Rodgers would be the start of the new NFL year in 2022, not now. Gutey and Murphy and Ball know this. You may not like the men, but you cannot dispute their knowledge of business and financial management. It is a fact the Packers have one of the largest cache's of cash on hand in the entire NFL.

And Rodgers's only leverage is to sit out 2021 in a purple fit. Not a good look for his brand. And the Packers would recoup $35 mil from him and actually get out of cap hell. In fact, if he plays, his cap hit contributes to the Packers already being $30 mil over in 2022.

If he were to play well in 2021, make himself attractive to potential suitors, he will get his wish in 2022 and the Pack would have no financial pain by trading him in 2022.

It is entirely likely trading him a year from now would net a haul nearly as lucrative as a trade today.

When you look at contract Rodgers signed in 2018, you have to admit the Packers FO "outplayed" Rodgers future options even as they shoveled him the gold.

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Since'61's picture

June 04, 2021 at 02:03 pm

LambeauPlain they have cash on hand because they are a not for profit organization. This means they are restricted on how they can use their cash accumulation. Teams which are privately held can pull out as money as they want because it is the owner's money. They can also move as much money as they want/need into the organization for capital improvements which the Packers do not have the flexibility to do.

If they were a for profit organization and our shares of Packer stock were actually worth $$$, instead of being glorified thank you cards, the share price would be dropping duringn this crisis with Rodgers and everyone would be bleeding money.

The other side to this is that Rodgers could choose to retire either this summer or after playing for Green Bay in 2021 in which case the Packers get nothing in return. So much for the future options. Thanks, Since '61

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June 03, 2021 at 03:49 pm

As Packer fans we assume that by doing nothing Rodgers will fold- perhaps and recognizing that all athletes have a shelf life and Father Time wins the war, he will give in and report but if he doesn't then the FO will be seen in a truly brutal way. Rodgers is a different guy and he might have nearly 100 million stashed away- pretty good nest egg to sulk on and one that could probably keep him happy for life! I hope they bury the sword but am a little fearful that unless it is in Gutey's skull it's not happening!

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wsn's picture

June 03, 2021 at 10:42 pm

I suspect 100M is way too low for his nest egg. I too hope they finish these negotiations, sign the contract, and then grab a cold one to celebrate.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

June 04, 2021 at 07:41 am

You totally miss the point!

You miss Rodger's narcissistic tendencies, and love for statistics, but also his love for the game. The Packers and not Rodger's are in control. Plus, they have two other first round QB's on the team. Rodger's would be nice but not absolutely necessary.

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Leatherhead's picture

June 03, 2021 at 03:51 pm

Yes, let’s force him. That’s the answer. Force him to play for us. That’s exactly the way you should run a half billion dollar business.

This works with girlfriends who want out of relationships, too. You just force them to want to stay. Buy her a present. Tell her she’s pretty. Tell her that if you can’t have her, nobody will.

Good plan.

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greengold's picture

June 03, 2021 at 04:15 pm

No shit. Ken, running victory laps tells me the Packers & Broncos are closing on their trade deal now.

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13TimeChamps's picture

June 03, 2021 at 05:28 pm

Broken record.

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greengold's picture

June 03, 2021 at 06:11 pm

I hope you went back to see my reply in that Nasty thread, 13TimeChamps. You really took me the wrong way there...

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Leatherhead's picture

June 03, 2021 at 06:45 pm

Greengold.....don’t waste your time with the Princess. She’s mentally ill and completely obsessed with me.

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13TimeChamps's picture

June 03, 2021 at 07:27 pm

And yet look who keeps popping up on threads that have nothing to do with you. Stalk much? Seems like you're the one who is obsessed.

Your immature name calling is monotonous and is getting really old. Go do it with someone who gives a shit. Or someone who is impressed with your ridiculous "I'm a really tough guy" avatars. Clown.

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Leatherhead's picture

June 03, 2021 at 08:48 pm

Sorry Princess.

Not really.

So you don’t like this avatar either. Maybe a rainbow unicorn is more acceptable to you.

Bitch, bitch, bitch....

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13TimeChamps's picture

June 03, 2021 at 08:54 pm

I was thinking something more along the lines of an ass clown.

Is there some reason you keep following me? I haven't responded to one of your posts in weeks...months? Yet you keep showing up after I post something.

But I'm the one obsessed...lol

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13TimeChamps's picture

June 03, 2021 at 09:22 pm

As far as silly avatars go, do what you have to. My guess is you're some short, fat, bald guy who had his jock strap pulled over his head in gym class back in high school. Hence the over compensating with the wannabe tough guy nonsense. Grrrrr....lol

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Leatherhead's picture

June 03, 2021 at 10:10 pm

Keep it coming Princess. Remove all doubt.

The short, fat bald guy is your husband.

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13TimeChamps's picture

June 03, 2021 at 11:07 pm

Gay jokes now. So classy. But you're a Texan, so understandable I guess.

Does it make you feel tough insulting people from the safety of your keyboard?

Like I said....you're a total clown.

Was there some reason you inserted yourself in this conversation in the first place?

Nevermind.....I've wasted enough brain cells on this nonsense.

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June 04, 2021 at 01:17 pm

I don’t think you’re gay. I think you’re a woman, Princess.

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13TimeChamps's picture

June 04, 2021 at 04:12 pm

Well my wife, kids and grandkids would be quite surprised at that news.

Go take your Neanderthal, homophobic, misogynistic garbage somewhere else. You've revealed your true character. Probably why all the down votes you're so confused about.

But, of course, you'll continue to hide behind your keyboard and hurl insults. Go bother someone else who gives a shit.

Where's Taryn? This is where she usually shows up to bail your pathetic ass out.

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Leatherhead's picture

June 05, 2021 at 07:36 am

Whatever you say, Princess.

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June 04, 2021 at 12:17 pm

So, are the downvotes from people who think it’s a bad plan, or from people who don’t get sarcasm?

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greengold's picture

June 04, 2021 at 01:46 pm

...I want to say the latter...

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13TimeChamps's picture

June 04, 2021 at 07:19 pm

You're actually buying into this caveman's bullshit? That's sad.

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greengold's picture

June 04, 2021 at 07:43 pm

Fuck off. Keep me out of your crazy bullshit.

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13TimeChamps's picture

June 04, 2021 at 07:53 pm

Then stop bringing yourself into it by supporting your new friend. My only issue with you, which I thought we had resolved, was you claiming you had inside info on Rodgers family situation. Which you then continued to throw out there as fact. Which it's not.

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greengold's picture

June 04, 2021 at 08:04 pm

I told your respectfully we were done, ignored your subsequent attacks on my character. Now you’re searching me out and harassing me?

FUCK OFF.

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13TimeChamps's picture

June 04, 2021 at 08:16 pm

Actually, you're responding to posts which had nothing to do with you. Nobody is searching you out.

Again, stop acting like you have inside info on shit you don't.

Enjoy your evening.

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13TimeChamps's picture

June 04, 2021 at 08:41 pm

You're right and I apologize. I got so wrapped up with Leatherhead's nonsense and took it out on you. No need to respond back. I was wrong, and once again I apologize.

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13TimeChamps's picture

June 04, 2021 at 07:06 pm

They're from people who think you're a misogynistic asshole.

"Buy her a present. Tell her she’s pretty."

Geezus.

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greengold's picture

June 04, 2021 at 07:40 pm

Hey, fuck you. Keep me out of your crazy bullshit.

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13TimeChamps's picture

June 04, 2021 at 08:06 pm

Yeah, you already said that.

Any new TMZ info on Rodgers and his girlfriend? Who sleeps on which side of the bed? Who likes the toilet paper rolled this or that way?

You seem to be the inside source for that pertinent information.

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June 03, 2021 at 03:50 pm

What if Rodgers won't come back under any circumstance? What are you waiting out ?

This is now on Rodgers at this point. Until he says I'm out no matter what or his agent says this we will be in this clown show.

Packers have made it clear that no trade unless they truly believe he is out . So if you want out Aaron say so. Then let's assume it's a wrap well gutey it is back on you .

Either way end this clown show

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June 03, 2021 at 04:30 pm

"What if Rodgers won't come back under any circumstance? What are you waiting out ?

This is now on Rodgers at this point."

The proverbial ball is in ARod's court. His is the next move...because there's no place for him to go but GB right now.

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Coldworld's picture

June 03, 2021 at 07:23 pm

Succinct and to the point. Yes.

Says it all, so I don’t have to (Bear did too). I’m heartily sick of discussing Rodgers.

The Packers will be here in Camp and I will be following. Personally I doubt Rodgers, but it’s all on him now.

Everything that can be said has been, at least till mini camp.

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June 03, 2021 at 08:04 pm

Two words: Sheldon. Richardson.

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June 03, 2021 at 04:03 pm

Nice article, Ken.

It is disconcerting to see the 5 wide receivers line up behind Rodgers. We oldies remember the days when GB was widely considered the Siberia of the League -- pretty much from the days after Lombardi until Reggie White was signed.

IMO Rodgers' antics have already damaged the franchise badly. Cleverly, through innuendo and behind the scenes communication, but nevertheless badly. I hope you are right that winning and $ overcomes all.

As Seinfeld once concluded in one of my favorite episodes of his show; The names change, the people change, so it must be the uniforms that we root for.

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LambeauPlain's picture

June 04, 2021 at 10:36 am

I think Rodgers antics are badly damaging Rodgers. I know many, many Packer fans. Rodgers brand is getting very tarnished over this. Most ask...."what is his beef?"

He is losing the PR battle...badly.

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greengold's picture

June 03, 2021 at 04:11 pm

Really? Ken? Paragraph 2...? ... what did I ever do to you?

I resemble that remark.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

June 03, 2021 at 04:33 pm

Ken, the Packers hold the cards at present and I think the majority of the Packer fans here at CheeseHead TV expect them to hold firm. Rodgers is an unusual guy and is a grudge holder. Simply look at the rift he has had with his parents and apparently doesn't even communicate with his two brothers. He certainly has no love for the Packers management team. He may even be obstantant to the point that he won't report and retire. If that happens I believe Rodgers will have made one of the major mistakes of his life and most of us Packer fans will support the team and the quarterback (whoever that may be) just like we have for many years in the past and will do so for many years in the future.

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June 03, 2021 at 04:47 pm

I have often screamed the Packers will not win another SB after the sickening ousting in the 2011-12 playoffs. Both FO's since have made numerous decisions that assured such and rode the back of Rodgers as the cover-up of their pathetic failings. I have refused to credit either FO for their decisions as most have done nothing to award the team and fans what surely would have been garnered multiple times had better decisions been made. Stop supporting a FO that clearly will not, by choice, do what it takes to really help the future HOF QB and team to succeed to be the WINNER and not just win.

Many scream for loyalty from players by demanding they take home-town discounts in contracts and yet any loyalty from the FO to do what should be done to secure as great a possibility to win the SB goes by mostly unscathed. How often do fans shout 'take a hike' to players who would look for top dollar? Aaron Jones was one until he resigned with GB because the market shut him down, regardless of why being Covid-19 salary cap hit or teams with money thought him not an upgrade to justify such a signing. Packer fans were willing to let him go and supported the FO in letting him try. Jones is still over-paid and you can scream at me all day long.

I don't care at this point whether Rodgers stays or goes, because I still don't see where this team is better unless the coaching staff can get a whole lot more from the assumed step-up guys and the draftees because either way this team doesn't have years to get it together, they got one and that one isn't near the guarantee too many believe it to be.

LOVE is all you need works as a song lyric and reality dictates it simply isn't enough, as has been proven by the love for Rodgers for the last 10 years especially from fans, not the FO.

https://youtu.be/VUQP-XXmXgY

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YouAskedForThis's picture

June 03, 2021 at 06:30 pm

"I don't care at this point whether Rodgers stays or goes, because I still don't see where this team is better".

The Pack was one or two plays from the Super Bowl last year. Better is obtainable(arguably) even with the same roster.

If Aaron Jones plays better(as in not a total collapse) good chance they are in Super Bowl
If Aaron Rodgers steps up at crunch time(1st and goal from the 8) they are likely in SB
If Mike Pettine doesn't make Kevin King think(2 shell please) they are likely in SB

What if the defense is better with a new DC and some adjustments to the D-Line ?
What if our young and promising HC grows and improves ?

Might they come up short ? Yup 31 other teams are making adjustments too. But they are not in as bad of position as you make it sound.

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June 03, 2021 at 08:09 pm

If, If, If, If, If, If, need I continue.

Perhaps you misunderstood better. The fact that the defense alone is against the wall in playing to the level last season due to a new DC and all that usually implies. Remember what so many expected with the hiring of Pettine. How did that work out? Sure, some individual play rose but the defense still suffered the same issues and likely will again. as we have already seen here the angst of the round hole square peg thinking as it pertains to the star concept and Jaire. The defense is again hoping for big step-ups on the DL which again is the same as has been the last, wait, it makes me feel aged. Are we really relying on Rodgers to have another MVP season because if not, think of the drop-off with the offense that the team needed drastically to get as far as they had and the brakes that came with the schedule? It isn't just about a couple of plays.

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YouAskedForThis's picture

June 04, 2021 at 02:01 pm

"if"

Fact of the matter is, the Pack had a roster that was capable of playing in the Super Bowl last year. Bad time for Aaron Jones to have his worst game and the regular season MVP to come up short at crunch time, just for example.

"Are we really relying on Rodgers to have another MVP season ? "

Aaron Rodgers is set to make $37,202,000.00 this year. That is an inordinate percentage of the salary cap and when compared to other QB's....so much so that fans, and the team, should expect him to have an MVP (or close) season...he's being paid like it.

"It isn't just about a couple of plays."

But is is. Many games are decided by just a couple of plays. Couple of plays go different and Tampa doesn't go to the Super Bowl.

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Bure9620's picture

June 04, 2021 at 10:19 pm

Jaire Alexander took the ball away from Brady 2 drives in a row and put it back in the hands of Rodgers.....whom did nothing on either drive. A throw at the feet and some throw aways, and a badly missed throw. Aaron Rodgers is PART of the reason for the Packers failures in NFCC games....This "If only Rodgers had a good team around him" shit is absurd. The hot takes are hilarious. Maybe Rodgers IS part of the problem.

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LeotisHarris's picture

June 03, 2021 at 09:03 pm

Oh, Taryn. You've screamed. Many scream. Fans shout. You ask others to scream at you. So much noise. So many words to communicate so little. Perhaps quiet would be better?

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June 04, 2021 at 09:36 am

Yes! Right now I like quiet. I guess I’m still numb from last years debacle. 3 interceptions zero points And I know why. I’m just going to let this all play itself out and see where we are at year end.

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stockholder's picture

June 03, 2021 at 04:50 pm

You can't make somebody do, something they don't want to do. Rodgers said it all when he said ," Trade me." You now have a personal dislike for Gute. And this is Murphy's second F**K up, after Brett Favre. Listen and Listen good to Rodgers. He won't be there. The next step is retirement.

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Coldworld's picture

June 03, 2021 at 07:17 pm

Chirpy as ever.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

June 03, 2021 at 08:04 pm

I'm convinced that he must be a motivational speaker.

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Coldworld's picture

June 03, 2021 at 09:19 pm

Ha ha. Be a good warm up for one if the audience was locked in place.

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PackerBacker77's picture

June 03, 2021 at 07:52 pm

Murphy has nothing to do with either situation

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Coldworld's picture

June 03, 2021 at 09:20 pm

Well, other than being the big cheese(head) whom all report to with their curds and whey.

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MajWhiplash's picture

June 03, 2021 at 06:49 pm

my two sense. pack have Rodgers balls in a vice and can do whatever. waiting is a winning ploy.

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Since'61's picture

June 03, 2021 at 07:52 pm

Not if Rodgers retires and the Packers get nothing in return. How is that a winning ploy? BTW, it's two cents.
Thanks, Since '61

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June 03, 2021 at 08:28 pm

In order for Rodgers to retire he'll have to cough-up $30M to the Packers. Plus endorsements will probably dry-up - unless for Waterbed Warehouse World. Also I don't think that Ms. Woodley is going to like Aaron hanging around the house all day - constantly muttering about the pariahs - Gutekunst and Murphy. Also wondering why the producers of Jeopardy haven't returned his calls? Or, shouldn't the baby look more like him..?

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LambeauPlain's picture

June 04, 2021 at 10:44 am

So what does Rodgers get if he retires? You are failing to account for what he must decide sitting on the other side of the table holding a bluff hand.

The Packers have a Royal flush and even if Rodgers folds and leaves the table for good they still get a pot of $millions and get out of cap hell, allowing them to fortify the team...perhaps with some bold moves on the D.

The best move for Rodgers is to lose this hand and reshuffle the deck with a good 2021 performance.

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Bure9620's picture

June 04, 2021 at 10:20 pm

Rodgers gets a bill for about 28 mil......

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Kinddavid91's picture

June 04, 2021 at 02:45 am

2 cents^

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

June 04, 2021 at 08:04 am

Bingo!

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Since'61's picture

June 03, 2021 at 07:06 pm

I have never believed in management doing nothing when there is an opportunity to develop a positive outcome.
The Packers have 2 opportunities for a positive outcome in this situation:

The first and best outcome is to reach an agreement with Rodgers (within reason) 2-3 years of security and maybe a year by year guarantee after that if Rodgers can still play at a high level. This approach gives the Packers their best chance to win an SB over the next 1-2 seasons and validates their approach of using their cap space to keep the band together.

The second best outcome is to trade Rodgers now while they can still get good players, at least 2#1s and free up cap space which would validate their decision to draft Love and build a solid team around him and give him a chance to succeed sooner rather than later assuming that he can succeed at all.

Third best outcome is for Rodgers to return to the team by TC, play the 2021 season and continue to negotiate for his future with the team.

The fourth best outcome would be to wait and see what happens but that runs the risk of Rodgers holding out. This scenario probably ends with Rodgers not playing for the Packers and the team receiving no return unless they conduct a fire sale trade during the 2021 season and or in 2022 before the draft. But they will probably get less in return with that approach than they would if they made a trade now.

Fifth and worst outcome would be that because the Packers take a wait and see approach Rodgers retires and the Packers get no return for Rodgers. This would hurt the team both in the short and long term by reducing short term chances for an SB and long term opportunity to build a team around Love with players and picks.

The best outcomes (1-3) happen with the FO or Rodgers taking a proactive step. The 2 worst outcomes (4&5) result from the FO doing nothing or taking a wait and see approach. Now it's possible that the Packers have made an offer(s) to Rodgers which have been rejected and/or they have received no viable trade offers or they have declined the offers and are not trading Rodgers as they stated. In that case it's up to Rodger's to either play or retire. In which case the FO has abdicated the decision to Rodgers and IMO have failed to act in the best interests of the team which is allegedly their job. If they lose Rodgers without receiving any return they have failed as a management team. To lose an MVP/HOF QB while there has been chance for an agreement or trade is negligent management.

If you make the argument that management is holding the cards then why don't they play them? If you make the argument that management should wait out and force Rodgers to make a move you are accepting the risk that Rodgers may just walk away. Given that the Murphy triumvirate has not made many good decisions in their dealing with Rodgers since drafting Love it's not a very solid bet that they will make the best decisions going forward. Thanks, Since '61

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June 03, 2021 at 10:10 pm

Sure, Green Bay gave Rodgers nothing for 16 years. No winning records, No NFC North titles, No play-off appearances, No money to compensate for his service, and No RESPECT? Even in the worst case that Green Bay would not get anything in return if he retired (except cap space), we got 16 years which IMO is quite a haul! Could we get more, sure. Rodgers must put his priorities in order. First & most important choice is whether he will play for the Packers under his agreed upon contract. No mystery, or maybe I will. Make your choice. Are you In or are you out. The Packers will continue on from there. Rodgers, has to state his choice. He only has 2, is he in or is he out.

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June 03, 2021 at 10:14 pm

From a team perspective, isn't your 3rd best outcome the 1st best outcome? No extra commitment and you get your MVP QB playing the whole season. Sign me up. Also, that outcome requires no action by the FO at this time.

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Since'61's picture

June 04, 2021 at 10:09 am

4th, I considered #3 as the first best outcome. It is a positive outcome in the short term but it is not a resolution. It’s just a matter of kicking the can down the road until 2022. And it could backfire if Rodgers is injured or if he doesn’t have a good season (which I seriously doubt).

To me a resolution is a better outcome than pushing it down the road. Thanks, Since ‘61

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June 04, 2021 at 08:15 am

I agree that pro-active management is always the better solution. My concern is how long this situation has been ongoing. Reportedly Packer management made several trips to see Rodgers in California in February and March in an attempt to resolve the issues. We are now in early June without any visible progress.

I do not know what offers were made by either side, but a dispute that is ongoing for several months would seem to indicate they are at loggerheads and neither side is willing to move any further. At this stage, we may be at option # four by default.

My gut feeling is that Rodgers simply wants out and is trying to force a trade. No factual basis for that notion, but Rodgers knows he has a large pay check and a viable Super Bowl team waiting in Green Bay and he is still holding out.

The Packers hold the legal high ground based on Rodgers' contract, but Rodgers still has a trump card by withholding his services (and yes he will take a financial hit doing so). If Rodgers is genuinely committed to leaving, I think a trade is inevitable.

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June 04, 2021 at 10:57 am

I do not understand your logic. I have a lot of business experience too. Sometimes the best management move is to hold firm, especially when you have ROI by doing so. The Packers outplayed Rodgers with the contract he signed in 2018 even as Packers management shoveled him all that gold. He sold all his leverage. Bummer for him, but he did.

If the Packers wait until 2022 to trade Rodgers, they have much to gain even if Rodgers reports, sits out or retires:
1. He plays, has another great year, gets traded to a big city market he covets in 2022, Packers likely reap as much next year as this year in a trade, and take no dead money hit.
2. He sits...pays Packers $millions, finally reports...see above.
3. He retires, pays the Packers even more $millions, Packers get out of cap hell, fortify the team with say, D players

Rodgers losses would be huge in options 2 & 3. Option 1 is his best play. And he knows it.

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June 04, 2021 at 02:25 pm

I agree with you that option 1 is Rodgers best option. But if he is not worried about the money and he retires the Packers gain cap money but who is left to sign for 2021? The cap space will help in 2022 but if Love is a bust we still need a QB. So the Packers still run the risk of both short and long term losses on the field regardless of their fiscal ROI, which only matters towards the cap in this case.

If the Packers go into a prolonged period of losing their voluntary revenue streams like memorabilia, jerseys, Titletown, etc will take a hit and their ability to sign FAs will be compromised. They will still have their revenue sharing from the league and their ticket sales. This is why I prefer a proactive resolution versus a wait and see approach. I'm not saying that it can't work out because it can. I'm just pointing out that there are risks that need to be considered if it doesn't work out. Thanks, Since '61

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arizonayahoo07@gmail.com's picture

June 03, 2021 at 07:20 pm

His fiancee is from Denver. And Rogers is pussy whipped.. Here you have a team put together for a real super bowl run..and Arod wants what? A team that will not be as well put together as GB.. The Jordan kid looks like he might be a good qb in a couple of years. if Arod does split.. And GB has two years of multiple first round draft choices. Gutie winds up getting recognition for being a effective GM....

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justjan's picture

June 03, 2021 at 07:35 pm

Are you twelve?

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Since'61's picture

June 03, 2021 at 07:50 pm

I was thinking more like eight or nine. Thanks, Since '61

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BillHayhoe's picture

June 03, 2021 at 10:22 pm

It sure is different for a professional athlete who wants to change jobs. Sure a contract is contract but an unhappy Aaron Rogers may not be what we want going forward. Get what you can and move on. It has been illustrated that if they give him more money there will be huge cap issues. will have to cut three starters or more. Forget about resigning Alexander. the team is doomed if he gets more guarantee. Cut the cord.

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June 04, 2021 at 12:53 am

Gute is playing with fire. It’s absurd to suggest that not much is lost with Rodgers missing these opportunities. This is a team on the brink of a Super Bowl with even more weapons on offense than before and with Rodgers dialed in like he was last summer this offense could become unstoppable.

Gute needs to eat crow and offer Aaron the long-term deal he’s asking for. Let Love be a quality backup.

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Slim11's picture

June 04, 2021 at 11:01 am

BG is playing with fire...and so is Rodgers.

Rodgers is an aging QB, and a very good one. But for how long? I don't see him having Brett Favre's or Tom Brady's longevity regardless of what he says about playing until he's 40.

He's upset that players are released or allowed to enter free agency. He's upset his favorite position coaches (Clements and Van Pelt) aren't retained. Welcome to life! Stuff happens!

There have been upgrades on offense and defense, yet he demands more? BG is playing with fire if he throws more money at AR and gets nothing in return.

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LambeauPlain's picture

June 04, 2021 at 11:12 am

The greatest ROI for the Packers trading Rodgers is in 2022, not now.

The greatest ROI for Rodgers to get traded to a bright city lights team out West is by playing well for the Pack in 2021.

Rodgers knows this. All he can do now is bluff. Packers have a winning hand, even if a minority of fans want to mortgage the future to an aging, resentful player. And the Packers know this.

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greengold's picture

June 04, 2021 at 02:56 pm

Love is never a backup. Love is everything, Numero Uno...! Just ask Aaron Rodgers.

People can you feel it?
Love is everywhere...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdiG55KcjME

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croatpackfan's picture

June 05, 2021 at 06:34 am

As I already said - All you need is Love... That was written on the wall long time ago by The Beatles...

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Difer's picture

June 04, 2021 at 10:50 am

"Aloha ʻoe, aloha ʻoe . . .". Rodgers is gone. (So are the "Super Bowl runs). Face it. Get over it. Acceptance is the final stage of grief. Move on. Please.
Go Pack Go.

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June 05, 2021 at 07:28 pm

Hard disagree.

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arizonayahoo07@gmail.com's picture

June 07, 2021 at 01:48 pm

Peter King states the obvious.."There are several reasons Rodgers might be open to that scenario, assuming he does not want to retire. The 37-year-old was paid a $6.8 million roster bonus back in March. The Packers could, in theory, come after that money if Rodgers refuses to show up. "He also probably has a better chance to win a Super Bowl in Green Bay than any other place he might end up if the Packers trade him this year, so that should appeal to Rodgers on some level." I say duh! The packers have been putting together a super bowl team. Barring any season ending injuries.. Lafleur would have his third straight 13-3,or better season, and with the 2021 draftees. will be an improved team. so what is the problem ?....... AROD?

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arizonayahoo07@gmail.com's picture

June 14, 2021 at 05:19 pm

Microsoft news has Murphy making seemingly dumb remarks that will rub AROD the wrong way.. So what if Murphy says AROD is complicated... AROD is a very wealthy millionaire, who is under a very expensive contract. And has x number of years left, and Murphy and company is very much willing to renegotiate with Arod's attorney. I hope that the kid Jordan Love makes big strides in his quarter backing skills. So that the Packers can continue to have enjoyable winning seasons, get under the salary cap . And Arod gets traded to Denver... I hope his fiancee will be happy then..

I thought you would be interested in this story I found on MSN: Aaron Rodgers, Packers showdown: Green Bay's poor taste and petty ways proving hard to watch http://a.msn.com/02/en-us/AAL1PWl?ocid=se

Billionaires loving wanna bee sports journalist(?) Who does not want to lose his gravy job writing crap for Billy Gates.. Arod is a very gifted athlete.. But so are the Bathkiari, Jones, Adams, Smiths,Alexander, Clark, Lafleurs of this years team...Rogers should honor the contract.. He signed it... I wish i could just stop paying my mortgage, and be like Arod. But that is not reality. Imagine Arod signing on with his fiancees favorite team, and on the first game. blows out his knee. like Gayle Sayers.. can not play ever again.. He will get over it, and still be well to do... green bay has players who if they stay healthy. Can protect Arod and win all the way to super bowl... Can Denver or Las vegas make that claim? Greenbay Gutie will get a lot of salary room and at least two first round picks .. Where is Elway or Gruden going to get quickly the players to help rogers get to the Super bowl?

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