Bennet was TT pick, not BG

Paul Johnson's offense at GT was a 'bone/option type offense, which meant that his college WR all had to block and didn't put up big numbers. If Waller had been playing in a "modern offense" coming out, I suspect he would have gotten much more attention. Waller had some substance abuse issues, but has apparently cleaned himself up and is now a model citizen and locker room leader.

I think Waller's usage is very similar to Jimmy Graham in terms of routes run and the like. There's a lot to like about him, but it's all about where value and price point meet.

Meaning what ? That Lewis is such a superior blocker than Waller ( which underrates Waller's blocking ) even though Mercede's catches during the year are relatively few and exaggerated by sentimental older fans like myself. Derek Carr's anxiety at losing Waller proves how valuable he is . Youth can be served by a blocking first type NDFA TE if we can add Waller with only a 3rd or 4th round pick . Look how we got burned by Sternberger .

He should retire.

Lewis is a blocker whos game isnt built on speed and agility like Waller's is. What good is Waller if hes starting to break down physically and cant do the things he did 2 years ago?

Agree!

For a 3rd or 4th but not a 2nd! That would really be a step backwards.

So if true what did KC get for Tyreek, and what did Gutey get for Adam's? Strange!

Yep.

Are we to assume from now on that all players slotted in R3 are off limits to the Packers?

This notion is such defeatist BS. Don’t you think? We simply can’t participate in selecting players between 59 and 106? Really? Have to wait for the next 70 players to come off the board? Ridiculous.

Because people have already given up on Deguara and Amari Rodgers?

GM’s have misses all the time. Gutekunst had two in Oren Burks and Jace Sternberger. Gutekunst just needs to stop wasting picks, and start landing some R3 gems. They are there for the taking.

Personally, I don’t want Waller, and neither do the Raiders, which should tell you something. They’d rather get their R2 back…

At 370 points, that’s worth more than a high R3 plus a high R4. In Packers terms, where we’re ALWAYS picking late in every round, it is worth MORE than two low R3s and two low R4s…

You guys really want to spend that on an injured Waller? No thanks. I’ll gladly try to turn that into 2-4 more great players added to this Packers team, right in the heart of this draft.

Ask yourself if you wouldn’t rather have 2-4 players from this group (quickly pulled some in range 59 - 132 from today’s TSN mock update):

EDGE Cam Thomas
LB Quay Walker
TE Cade Otten
EDGE Sam Williams
WR George Pickens
WR Alec Pierce
TE Greg Dulcich
OT Braxton Jones
OG Jamaree Salyer
OT Max Mitchell
CB Coby Bryant
TE Charlie Kolar
OT Tyler Smith
OG Sean Rhyan
CB Marcus Jones
LB Troy Andersen

Not saying this is THE group, but pick any mock picks 65-132, and see if you wouldn’t rather have 2-4 of those players…instead of Waller.

The third should be used for CBs and WRs in this draft. Making a move for Waller tells me they are not confident in uncovering TE talent and their History with selections is spotty. Lewis may not make it out of Camp ( did anybody watch the Playoff Game?). Tonyan @ the Infirmary until November. I see their point of view and can read the panic meter. Tyler Davis may work out and they should actually use Deguara's talent as a move TE and in HB sets a' la Chris Cooley. The TE class is loaded with Inline guys who can play the hook zones and a couple of receiving talents like Ferguson.

Are you not bright enough to know that anything put out there at this time of year is encased in grains of salt?

I don't care how much you like/trust your "source(s)", get a clue!

Fun grist for the mill, however I wouldn't be ordering any Waller Packer jerseys!

He had long periods of being ineffective last season before being injured late. I haven’t watched him enough to be confident as to why, but one of the reasons I’ve seen cited for needing Adams was to take over some of what had been Waller’s snaps. That’s odd since Adams is hardly a man mountain receiver.

30 isn’t old for a TE necessarily, but their supposed willingness to move on from Waller having signed a premier receiver does puzzle me, given he’s their best TE supposedly, cheap in cap terms and a good locker room presence these days.

His pre injury catch percentage went down by over ten points (he missed 6 games), he was often overlooked in favor of down field targets compared to the prior year. One could argue Adams will indeed in part replace him. I wonder if the issue is perceived decline.

If anyone has greater insight I’d be happy to hear it. I’d want to be a whole lot more informed before I backed giving up a second round pick. This is one for the pro scouts, but I fear that we could end up getting a player on the downside and that that’s what set up the Adams trade and willingness to move on from Waller if true.

I agree. Was simply pointing out the metrics. I’m not a fan. Jace Sternberger & Oren Burks had metrics. I’d rather take the best player we can land with the 53 or the 93 for that matter.

PLUS, we can trade that 53 pick down for more players, more OL, more DL, potentially a great EDGE, TE or S… maybe one of each from those position 5 groups when all is said and done.

Seems foolish, really, with all the WR talent considered to be in that area as well. Pierce. Moore. Bell. Thornton. Jones. Shakir, Robinson, Tolbert… Ezukanma, Austin III… all possibilities.

Can we instead trade Waller for those kinds of picks? Doubt it. Idk. Waller certainly had a great 2020 season, and a solid 2019 the year prior. 2021 seemed a regression prior to his knee injury. We’ll see.

He had knee and back injuries last year. The knee was designated an IT band injury, usually affecting distance runners. Iliotibial band syndrome occurs when the connective tissue (ligament) extending from the pelvic bone to the shinbone becomes so tight that it rubs against the thighbone. It can be recurring.

As far as I know, the nature of the back injury wasn’t disclosed. Back injuries may be very worrying or largely nothing. Taken Together, I’d have to have access to the medical experts to determine if indeed he is significantly healthier than Tonyan outside of the short term. Possibly, but not a given.

Waller went down with a strained IT band in his knee, and had back problems before and after his knee injury Week 11 last season.

....and a rookie third round draft pick(where the tight ends will go) will give the Packers a boost in the passing attack and a blocker for the run? Sorry, this deal is good for the Packers. There's lots of tape on Waller--done during NFL games--and tape of rookies playing against college kids.