Packers Snap Counts - Preseason Vs. Baltimore
A lot of tough decisions remain for the Packers. Look for some surprises.

The final preseason game did not resolve many of my personnel questions. They got good performances from multiple players at positions I thought were deep already, and poor to middling performances at positions of need. The Packers will not practice on Sunday, Monday or Tuesday, so there will be no more practices prior to the cut down deadline on Tuesday, August 27, at 4:00 p.m. EST.
Remember, under the new rules up to two players can be placed on IR immediately (that is, today) and still be eligible to return for week 5 of the regular season. If the Packers have more than two players who have to go on injured reserve, they will have to carry them on the 53-man active list (that is, not place them on waivers or cut them). They can put any remaining players on IR on August 28 (after they made the team for most of a day) so that they will be eligible to return.
New Injuries to Ralen Goforth and Jonathan Ford, who were carted off the field, only complicates things. Goforth has an ankle injury and Ford has a calf injury. Ford had 3 tackles (1 solo) and was tough to move for the most part. Robert Rochell did not play against Baltimore due to a hip injury. I do not know the severity of any of these new injuries.
OFFENSIVE LINE:
| Player | Snaps | % | ST |
| L Smith | 65 | 100 | 7/29% |
| Monk | 52 | 80 | 6/25% |
| Newman | 47 | 75 | 7/29% |
| Glover | 44 | 68 | 7/29% |
| Tenuta | 34 | 52 | 4/17% |
| Jones | 34 | 52 | 3/12% |
| Telfort | 31 | 48 | 7/29% |
| Jennings | 16 | 25 | 1/4% |
The Packers allowed 7 quarterback hits and no sacks. The Packers rested their top six linemen: Walker, Jenkins, Myers, Morgan, Rhyan, and Tom. Dillard also did not play but it was due to a shoulder injury. It should be noted that on Sean Clifford's first 7 pass attempts, he was hit 4 times. Clifford completed just one of his first 7 pass attempts for 13 yards. The starting offensive line did Clifford no favors. The starters were Telfort, Smith, Monk, Newman, and Glover. Those starters opened some holes in the running game, as the Packers gained 12, 8, 2 (good for a first down on a 3rd and 2), and minus one. That ended with a long field goal. The next running play went for 2 and two incomplete passes caused a punt. The next possession they gained 13, 3, 11, 4, 10, 4, 3. That ended in a 36-yard field goal after Melton was penalized for a false start on 3rd and 7 and the Packers could not convert. That is 71 yards on 12 carries, an average of 5.92 yards per carry. It never really tapered off. On the fourth possession (with Jones and Tenuta at the OT spots) they gained 25 yards on 5 carries with a long of 12. That ended with a touchdown pass to Melton. LaFleur praised the line for finishing blocks.
Caleb Jones replaced Telfort and Tenuta replaced Glover on the Packers' fourth possession, but that was just for one possession, with Telfort and Glover returning. Jones and Tenuta returned later. Tenuta got snaps at right guard and Donovan Jennings got snaps at left guard for quite a while. On the fourth possession (with Jones and Tenuta at the OT spots) they gained 25 yards on 5 carries with a long of 12. That ended with a touchdown pass to Melton. LaFleur praised the line for finishing blocks.
Dillard did not play because he is injured and didn't practice last week with a shoulder injury. I still suspect that he is a good bet to make the roster, although being a vested veteran works against him (more on that later). Newman got a lot of snaps, but I have seen worse. Then again, the performances that were worse were mostly of Newman in prior years, and of Chris Hanson. I think Monk and Rhyan can hold down the IOL backup roles with Glover, Telfort, and (sigh) Dillard making the team.
RUNNING BACKS:
| Player | Snaps | % | ST |
| Merriweather | 27 | 42 | 6/25% |
| Em Wilson | 24 | 37 | 3/12% |
| McGrary | 14 | 22 | 1/4% |
| Pearson | 15 | 23 | 13/54% |
All of the running backs ran hard and had gaudy numbers. I thought Wilson had a good day. He also caught both of his targets for 26 yards. FB (or is it TE?) Henry Pearson had no carries but caught a 4-yard pass. Wilson should have locked up a spot on the 53-man roster. I suppose it depends on the injuries to Lloyd (hamstring) and Dillon (stinger), and Dillon's status as a vested veteran.
QUARTERBACKS:
| Player | Snaps | % |
| Cliffor | 34 | 52 |
| Clifford | 31 | 48 |
Clifford did not have a good night. He finished 6 of 14 for 53 yards with 1 TD and no interceptions. He had a passer rating of 77.4. After starting 1 of 7 for 13 yards, he returned and finished 5 of 7 for 40 yards. That is nothing to write home about. The Ravens only had their starting weak side linebacker playing. Pratt finished 8 of 12 for 80 yards with 1 TD and 1 Interception. He had a passer rating of 78.5. Both had the benefit of a pretty good run game. The pass blocking improved for Pratt after the Ravens substituted some of the second-string players out and mixed in some other prospects. It improved for Clifford as well when he returned. However, neither of them looked good enough to win a regular season game if Love missed time.
TIGHT ENDS:
| Player | Snaps | % | ST |
| J. Wilson | 36 | 55 | 7/29% |
| Sims | 24 | 37 | 10/42% |
| Pearson | 15 | 23 | 13/54% |
| Swinson | 12 | 18 |
Ben Sims got the start. Wilson caught 2 of his 3 targets for 11 yards. He had a drop in the game. This after LaFleur said he failed to flatten his route in last week's preseason game, contributing to a Clifford interception. Sims and Swinson each got 1 target but did not have any catches. I include Pearson in this category as well. He caught one pass for 4 yards but he looked good, and caught a long pass in the scrimmage. Tyler Davis did not play due to injury. Davis had a horrendous game last week after blocking well in training camp. Tyler Davis is also a vested veteran. Pearson was surprising but I don't think he did enough for a spot on the 53.
WIDE RECEIVERS:
| Player | Snaps | % | ST |
| Dubose | 35 | 54 | 3/12% |
| Toure | 30 | 46 | 2/8% |
| Heath | 29 | 45 | 1/4% |
| Wayne | 23 | 35 | 6/25% |
| Melton | 23 | 35 | |
| Stanley | 18 | 28 | 2/8% |
| Hicks | 15 | 23 | 7/29% |
The battle between Heath, Melton, and Dubose rages on. Heath helped himself the most by catching 4 of 5 targets for 39 yards, a 9.8-yard average, and a touchdown. Toure caught 2 of 4 targets for 28 yards. Melton caught 1 of his 2 targets for 18 yards and a touchdown. That was a nice catch as the window was tight. Melton also had a false start that forced a field goal. DuBose did not catch his only target. Hicks, Wayne and Stanley were not targeted.
Stanley failed to impress as a returner. I have tired of watching him dance. I expect Toure to be on someone's 53-man roster or at least on a practice squad, but I don't think it will be in Green Bay. With so many young receivers ahead of him in Green Bay, Toure might choose to go elsewhere if he is not claimed on waivers. Hicks and Wayne are good bets for the PS. Some media observers think the Packers could trade Melton for a late draft pick.
DEFENSIVE LINEMEN:
| Player | Snaps | % | ST |
| Ester | 30 | 58 | |
| Ford | 21 | 40 | |
| Wooden | 18 | 35 | |
| Brooks | 18 | 35 | |
| Schad | 15 | 29 | |
| Brooks |
Wooden and Brooks started the game and looked good, particularly Wooden and over the course of training camp. Brooks was pretty quiet all during camp. Ford looked immovable for the most part. Ester and Schad looked like they need another year. Ford was injured but the severity of his injury is unknown. The Packers face Philadelphia in 13 days. The Packers did not play Clark, Slaton, or Wyatt. Waege did not play due to injury. Wooden and Brooks were always locks. Ford was making a push to force the Packers to keep a 6th interior defensive lineman, but his injury makes that murky. Waege is undersized at 284 pounds, and it shows in his anchor. The same is true for Ester and Schad, who really just came into camp a few days ago. Perhaps one of them gets an offer for the PS, but someone outside the organization is possible, even likely if Ford's injury is serious enough to force him onto the IR.
EDGE:
| Player | Snaps | % | ST |
| Banks | 27 | 52 | 4/17% |
| Alexandre | 26 | 50 | 8/33% |
| Mosby | 17 | 33 | 6/25% |
| Cox | 17 | 33 | 7/29% |
| Morton | 10 | 19 | |
| Allen | 9 | 17 | 1/4% |
Mosby helped himself the most today with a sack/forced fumble and an interception of a bullet thrown by Devin Leary. The sack was his only tackle. Cox had just one assisted tackle. Some observers think Cox is Edge #5 but others put Mosby there. Cox is the better pure pass-rusher, while Mosby, who quietly had a very good camp, is the more complete player. Both play special teams: Cox played 9 ST snaps (39%) and Mosby played 12 ST snaps (52%) but they played 6 and 7 snaps, respectively, this week. Mosby can play on ST units that don't involve kicking a football. I note that the Packers elevated KeShawn Banks instead of Cox for the playoffs last year. I think it might depend on personalities: which player has the most desire and upside to get better? Banks got hurt, only returning for this game, so he was not able to mount a challenge like I had hoped//expected. He only had 1 assisted tackle against Baltimore. The Packers only had 2 quarterback hits and 1 sack. Mosby had the sack and Morton had the other QB hit.
LINEBACKER:
| Player | Snaps | % | ST |
| Hopper | 38 | 73 | 11/46% |
| Welch | 27 | 52 | 11/46% |
| Russell | 25 | 48 | 5/21% |
| Goforth | 15 | 29 | 1/4% |
Christian Welch helped himself the most today. He had 5 tackles (4 solo), 2 passes defensed, one of which was an interception and the other was almost an interception, and he has had a very good training camp. However, I suspect he is going to find out the life is not always fair. The Packers did not play Quay Walker, Edgerrin Cooper, Eric Wilson, or Isiah McDuffie. Hopper has shown enough (he has an outstanding trait in his run-stopping tackles) to make this team, and he is a 3rd round pick. That is five and I just don't think they will keep 6, although Welch is considered an ace on special teams. Eric Wilson and Welch are vested veterans.
CORNERBACK:
| Player | Snaps | % | ST |
| King | 52 | 100 | 9/38% |
| Green | 51 | 98 | 10/42% |
| Davis | 18 | 35 | 8/33% |
| Ballentine | 14 | 27 | 1/4% |
Kalen King had the best day, although we don't know whether he was at fault for giving up the 48-yard touchdown pass. He appeared to be lined up against Wallace but perhaps thought he could pass the receiver off to help deep, which did not arrive. (Maybe King was correct and he should have been able to pass the receiver off.) WR Wallace was all alone. Zayne Anderson was playing deep safety, if I recall correctly. King also came up and made a heavy hit to force a fumble. King had 5 tackles (3 solo) and the forced fumble. Green had 3 tackles (1 solo) plus another tackle on special teams. The Packers rested Alexander, Stokes, Valentine, Nixon, and Rochell (injury, though). That is 4 locks, with Rochell, Ballentine and King all having good claims to being worthy of a roster spot. The nod might go to Ballentine who proved himself last year, with Rochell perhaps going to IR and King making the 53 if the Packers keep 6 CBs.
SAFETY:
| Player | Snaps | % | ST |
| Johnson | 28 | 54 | 8/33% |
| Olapado | 26 | 50 | 11/46% |
| Sapp | 26 | 50 | 9/38% |
| Young | 18 | 35 | 7/29% |
Johnson had 4 tackles (2 solo) and a fumble recovery. Anderson had a pass defensed. Olapado committed an illegal block penalty on an interception return but had no other statistics. He has shown some physicality with his tackling prior to tonight. The Packers were always going to keep their three draft picks barring something extraordinary, plus McKinney and Anthony Johnson has done enough to get the nod for the fifth spot. Zayne Anderson and Bennie Sapp are victims of a numbers game who would look good on the practice squad.
SPECIALISTS:
| Player | Snaps | % | ST |
| Orzech | 10/42% | ||
| Whelan | 10/42% | ||
| Carlson | 7/29% | ||
| Joseph | 7/29% |
Joseph made a 54-yard field goal and Carlson made a 55-yarder, but Carlson missed a chip shot. Neither kicker took the bull by the horns, though Carlson made a slightly higher percentage through out the course of training camp and the games. The Packers might look for someone outside the organization but no one obvious seems likely to get cut. The nod goes to Carlson. He is still on his rookie deal and the coordianator loves him. Plus, Joseph is a vested veteran. Orzech should have had more competition. Orzech might be a cut candidate despite having some guaranteed money. Whelan is a lock.
VESTED VETERANS:
As noted by Justis Mosqueda in his article, players who are vested veterans get their entire salary guaranteed if they are on the roster for the week one game. For example, if Greg Joseph is the kicker for game one and shanks a bunch of field goals, enough so the Packers want to bring someone else in, the Packers would still owe him his entire $1.125M salary (assuming Joseph make a claim for his base salary after the season, something a vested veteran can only do once during their career) and then they would have to pay the new kicker as well. If Carlson is the kicker for week one and stinks up the joint, the Packers would only owe him 1/18th of his $915K base salary, or $50,833 (instead of Joseph's $1.125M). Orzech, Tyler Davis, Corey Ballentine, Andre Dillard, and Welch are also vested veterans of note. There are more vested veterans but they are all locks to make the team.
WHO IS GOING TO MAKE THE TEAM:
I don't know. I have seen a couple of predictions that don't agree with each other. Instead of spewing another prediction, let me suggest that the Packers might handle this in an aggressive, if not radical, way. It has been reported that Dillon in prior years had a stinger and that the Packers are seeking a second opinion on his current injury. The Packers could place Lloyd on IR tomorrow while designating him as one of their two exemptions to be allowed to return. They might also put Dillon on the IR, making him also eligible to return. Then, Jacobs and Wilson make the team. The Packers waive Merriweather and Howard and later sign them to the PS. Elevate them until Lloyd and/or Dillon return in Week 5. That saves one or two roster spots.
I imagine the Packers will keep one of Clifford or Pratt, but perhaps to save another roster spot they waive both, and then re-sign the player who clears waivers. They might still have their choice. Or, they could see if Bailey Zappe (Patriots), Tyler Huntley (Browns), Davis Mills/Case Keenum (Texans), Taylor Heinicke (Falcons), Jake Haener (Saints who might just keep 3 QB's), Desmond Ridder (Cardinals) or PJ Walker (Seahawks) as suggested by Andy Herman, or some other quarterback they like becomes available. I don't think Pratt or Clifford could win a game if Love misses time. I can see the Packers keeping just 3 TEs with Tyler Davis (would he have to be waived injured?) and Joel Wilson being out of luck. I think they could sign Davis, Joel Wilson, and/or Swinson to the PS.
I think Melton is a lock if not traded. I don't care too much about Heath/DuBose, but I would give the nod to Heath with Dubose to the PS. 6 WRs make the team. I really like Robert Rochell and Kalen King. Perhaps they make enough roster spots available or Rochell to IR and Ballentine and King being the 5th and 6th CBs.
It is going to be interesting.
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Comments (28)
Thegreatreynoldo
August 25, 2024 at 05:13 am
My head started spinning when I read some articles predicting the roster construction. I started to lose track of how many spots I had left as I was thinking about it. I do think it is possible that the Packers will think a little outside the box this year. I think the Packers have a lot of talent at WR, CB, and arguably ILB, and even at safety. That is why I was trying to conjure up a few extra roster spots.
I don't really have a preference between dubose and Heath. I think toure also belongs in the NFL, probably on a PS, but this would be his third year and there was no jump. 6 WRs. I think highly of Rochell and King, but Ballentine showed he could provide decent snaps in NFL games last year. Rochell has been kicking around the league since 2021, so as much as I liked what I saw is there any upside left? I just don't know how to keep 7 CBs. I like Welch but they have two rookies who are going to make the team and 3 veterans who proved themselves last year. Does Welch have that sideline to sideline speed against starters? Can we keep 6 ILBs? Eric Wilson will be 30 in 4 weeks. I think Welch would slide to the PS without an issue. Even at safety I think Anderson has some potential but he too should slide onto the PS. I suppose we keep 9 OL, even if the 8th and 9th guys are not as good at what they do as some of the WRs, CBs and ILBs the Packers waive or cut.
Oppy
August 25, 2024 at 12:53 pm
Eesh, I am certainly not nearly as confident about Toure as you are, TGR. From my eyes, Toure flashed during camp his rookie year, and then went missing for the last two years.
Granted he hasn't had much opportunity, but then again, that's also an indicator as well- last year's rookie crop of WRs got far more opportunity than Toure, which seems to indicate Toure slid considerably in the eyes of the Packers.
He's under 50% career catch percentage. Maybe he just needs a change of scenery, but for a player who was arguably turning heads in his rookie camp, being passed up by nearly every WR to come through the door since isn't a huge confidence booster for me.
GregC
August 25, 2024 at 05:57 am
"They got good performances from multiple players at positions I thought were deep already, and poor to middling performances at positions of need."
This is so true. Given the struggles at kicker and backup QB, the outstanding performances by the likes of Aron Moseby and Christian Welch were almost annoying in a way, like they were rubbing it in our face that the Packers have an unbalanced training camp roster. There is lots of talk about the Packers going outside the organization at kicker and backup QB, but I'll believe it when I see it. The only other kickers I hear about who may be available are all worse than Carlson and Joseph. At QB, there may be better players available, but not MUCH better than Clifford or Pratt, and it is not the Packers' style to start all over at backup QB. I actually don't think Clifford or Pratt are that bad anyway. They are young, and they are still learning to play the position. (Ryan Tannehill has been mentioned as a possible replacement, but I don't see why he would want to play for a team with a young established starter who played every snap last year.)
I hear you with that sigh about Andre Dillard making the team. When they signed him, I figured he would serve as a measuring stick: If he makes the team, it means our depth at OT is not good. Well, it looks like he is going to make the team. Oh well. In the event of an injury at OT, they can always slide Elton Jenkins into the position.
Guam
August 25, 2024 at 06:36 am
I think TGR did an excellent job of running down the various options at WR, RB, CB, LB and QB. I might lean a bit more toward Heath than Dubose based on performance last season but realistically neither will see extensive playing time this year unless the injury bug bites hard.
My only real concern revolves around the OL. I like Walker, Jenkins, Myers, Morgan, Toms, Rhyan and Monk. I think Dillard makes the team simply because no one else challenged him for the swing tackle spot. Jones, Tenuta, Telfort and Glover are all just JAGs and other than the rookie Glover I don't think much additional development is realistic. I really believe Gute will need to do some waiver wire shopping for the #9 position on the OL and see if he can't find someone to challenge Dillard for the swing tackle spot. I suppose Morgan could be the swing tackle with Rhyan taking his place at RG, but that is putting a lot on the rookie's plate.
The Packers have quality depth in many places. but the OL depth looks a touch thin right now.
Thegreatreynoldo
August 25, 2024 at 06:50 am
Agreed. I was thinking Gute would select an interior offensive lineman in the 3rd round because I was thinking of Morgan more as a developmental OT than as an OT to OG conversion plan. That nothing against Hopper, who seems intriguing. Nor do I even remember whether there was an attractive OL prospect still available.
I think Monk has some talent but his run blocking is subpar and his pass pro is okay but it isn't a plus. I think he could use a year but I think the team could get by with him as a center for a short time, not so much as a guard. Rhyan probably is better than Monk at guard (a rotation might be in the cards again) and I am not sure who is better as a center. Like I wrote, I've seen worse than Newman. Too bad it was Newman.
Back up OT, sigh. I hope they have improved since the early days when Gary was wrecking them. I didn't realize Jennings was playing, so I guess he wasn't too bad?
Guam
August 25, 2024 at 07:21 am
Like you I was expecting another high pick at OL given their off-season losses. I suppose Gute viewed Dillard as a replacement for that third rounder not devoted to the OL.
I thought Monk looked better against Baltimore than he has most of the preseason. I will have to rewatch the game but I did focus on him a few times during my first watch and I thought his run blocking looked okay. He sure got to the second level pretty quickly against some the Raven's LBs and pushed them out of the hole.
Jennings was nearly invisible during my first watching of the game. I was surprised when your snap counts showed him playing that much. As for Jones, Telfort, and Tenuta - time to move on. The experiment with the giants needs to be over.
murf7777
August 25, 2024 at 08:54 am
In the 3rd round, I think Lloyd was too good to pass on. He could end up being truly special back who might blow up in the NFL. There’s always a few RB’s every year that come out of nowhere and play great. He would be a awesome complimentary back to Jacob’s this year. I was really bummed to see him get injured! Hoping he doesn’t have to go onto IR.
LambeauPlain
August 25, 2024 at 09:00 am
I thought Monk did better run vs pass blocking. Rookie performance but he held up well the entire game and didn't see any run whiffs or "look out" pass blocks.
I was not impressed with any of the tackles. If Walker or Tom can't go, I am concerned about Dillard. The better option may be to move Jenks and insert Morgan at LG or start him at T.
I expect we will have a new addition or two to the OL by Wednesday.
LLCHESTY
August 25, 2024 at 03:32 pm
As far as O linemen available in the 3rd round there were quite a few taken earlier than expected, Brandon Coleman was one I thought they'd have a lot of interest in. Javon Foster went after, he didn't have a top RAS but was good in the things they look for usually. Mason McCormick was thought of as strictly a guard but has 33⅞" arms and is a top athlete for a lineman(9.97 RAS). Sounds like he's playing well and will be a starter for the Steelers, as will Zach Frazier and Fautanu when he returns from injury.
Pretty jealous of the Steelers OL restock but the Packers would have had to trade up for Fautanu and it would have cost them at least a 3rd. Because ILB usually don't make much of an impact year one if I was Gutey I probably would have taken another lineman or two early and loaded up on LBs late and hoped one of three could play this year.
SicSemperTyrannis
August 26, 2024 at 06:20 am
I'm very interested in our O line depth and have been for years. It is true that human joints can only take so much. Is it true that 6'6" is simply big enough? Mt Caleb Telfort and Tenuta are 6'7" 6'8" and 6'9". If they all wash out (which you seem ready to pronounce) should this experiment end in GB? Or is it simply a matter of the individual?
Tundraboy
August 25, 2024 at 08:01 am
Great article. Truly going to be interesting. Having my morning coffee,and thinking it's football season! and I can't escape feeling it's going to be a special year. Just enjoying the excitement of a very promising era and season.
Coldworld
August 25, 2024 at 08:40 am
I continue to believe, and yesterday only reinforced it, that Jones is our best RT behind the starters. Dillard is better at LT than he is at right by some way, so that’s closer. Unfortunately I have Tenuta ahead of Telfort as well. Telfort just doesn’t move well enough. Interestingly, when Tenuta and Telfort to a lesser extent have played G they look better than Newman. L. Smith had a better claim than Newman. Jennings is still somewhat of an unknown, but I saw enough to say he is too. I see potential in Glover to develop, but I think he can make the PS, as could Tenuta or Telfort as G options. My distrust of Stenavich grows.
Is Cox a better pass rusher than Mosby? I hear that, he had more in practices, at least as recorded by the media, but in games, Mosby has as many I think, and has made the more impactful plays as well. Ford looks good. Now he’s hurt, but for me it was whether another big man would help more than another DE. If it’s a DE, Mosby had to be it in my view. He just brings more to the table in terms of options and STs.
I have no idea how the DB crunch will work between King, who is potent a slot, Rochell, the 4 th best guy on the perimeter and Ballentine who I think can play both effectively. That’s further confused by the safety numbers and Anderson playing on so many STs. I would love to see Welch but how I am uncertain numerically. I am similarly unsure about Heath or Dubose. Higher upside clinches it, or should.
I think Pearson, whom I’ve not been particularly high on previously, did himself a lot of good since returning. I think he could make the roster. Davis was awful, but he’s always looked better in practice than games anyway. Time to move on. Pearson can catch and he can run if needed. He’s not noticeably worse as a lead blocker and may be better. It’s time to move on. We have some very good STers who can do what Davis did in the past now.
At QB, absent a big leap I don’t see coming, Clifford is at best a placeholder. Pratt may be more, but isn’t ready. I don’t think Clifford can manage a game well enough to justify keeping him for the difference in experience over the two. Reluctantly, I would therefore go with Pratt and get him as much experience running the scout team. If we keep him, that’s what he needs.
A shout out to Vrabel and Dunn, who called a half each yesterday and both did an infinitely better job than Stenavich in the previous game. I think they deserve credit for allowing players to show on offense and separate from the pack, thus making it a much more productive outing for individuals and the team.
murf7777
August 25, 2024 at 08:58 am
Good thoughts, except about Stenavich. I think it’s unfair to judge play calling when at team is playing starters against another’s 2nd and 3rd stringers. The reality is our team was outmatched talent wise and no play calling was going to make much of a difference.
Coldworld
August 25, 2024 at 02:42 pm
Fair, though I also think it’s reasonable to note the significantly more effective calling yesterday.
SicSemperTyrannis
August 26, 2024 at 06:31 am
Play calling is always a huge difference maker. Stenavich broadcasted everything he tried to do against Cleveland, making it basically impossible to evaluate any of our players. I don't know who was in charge of personnel decisions, normally that would be MLF.
murf7777
August 26, 2024 at 08:15 am
So, your thoughts are play calling is greater in importance than talent? I beg to differ.
Thegreatreynoldo
August 25, 2024 at 10:29 am
Bmore liked Lecitus Smith better than Newman. I found that interesting. I suppose GB might think Newman has "versatility" in that he play OT in a pinch, supposedly. How about the starting 5, Rhyan, Monk, Smith and one of the tackles? 9 OL.
Just thinking about upside, control and money. So, these players are UFAs in 2025:
Corey Ballentine, Eric Wilson, Welch, Rochell, Tyler Davis
These guys are young and GB has some control:
Caleb Jones (RFA in 2025), Tenuta (under contract for $1.1M in 2025), Anthony Johnson (under contract for 25 and 2026 cheap), Cox (under contract for 2025 and is a RFA in 2026), Heath (under contract in 2025 and an RFA in 2026), Mosby (ERFA in 2025, ERFA in 2026, and an RFA in 2027), Melton (ERFA in 2025, ERFA in 2026, RFA in 2027), Telfort (ERFA both 2025 and 2026, RFA in 2027), Dubose under rookie contract for 2025 and 2026. Joel Wilson and Pearon are the same: ERFA 24, 25 RFA in 2026.
If things are otherwise equal, more control for longer =
Mosby > Cox
King (4 yrs of control > Rochell, Ballentine (1yr control).
Melton > Heath or Dubose
Dubose > Heath
Anthony Johnson > Zayne Anderson
Tenuta > Caleb Jones (slightly) > Dillard
Glover and Monk > Ryan, Newman, Smith, all OTs
Smith > Rhyan, Newman
Pearson or Joel Wilson > tyler davis
Anyway, if it close, maybe keep the younger player who might have more upside and the Team has a couple or several years of control to use and enjoy it if the upside comes into fruition.
SicSemperTyrannis
August 26, 2024 at 06:36 am
More great breakdown! I've never seen this type of analysis anywhere other than CHTV. Thank you Sir!
LambeauPlain
August 25, 2024 at 09:08 am
Thanks TGR. I like our starting class this year with exception of STs...again! (kicker, LS, kick return coverage).
Big decisions on depth, but even if DuBose, who I like (played well in Thursday's practice, invisible the last two Preseason games) gets cut, I will understand and accept it.
With the 4-3...why are DTs referred to as defensive linemen and DEs are still called Edge? Aren't those their designations for the 3-4?
LeotisHarris
August 25, 2024 at 10:53 am
Thanks for this, TGR, and to the CHTV Commentariat for the discussion. Hat's off to Gute for roster building. As you all have pointed out, we have areas that are thin, but this promises to be an exciting young team.
I'd be surprised if we jettison both QBs and bring in a veteran. Heinicke would be a big step up if that can happen. Anxious days for those young men on the bubble. We'll see.
SicSemperTyrannis
August 26, 2024 at 06:42 am
+1
"Draft and develop"
I see lots of potential in both Clifford and Pratt. Of course it's disturbing to see them perform so poorly in games. Anxious days for us that are not inside the building to know how staff views the fire they were thrown into, playing with a smorgasbord of different player combinations they're not used to, and with disadvantageous matchups.
Leatherhead
August 25, 2024 at 11:13 am
'''''Kalen King had the best day, although we don't know whether he was at fault for giving up the 48-yard touchdown pass'''
After watching that play about 20 times this morning, I've concluded that Johnson is the guy who left the door open. He was focused on the guy who was in front of him, who was already covered, and wasn't paying attention to the crosser. If he had noticed him, he might have been able to make a play on that pass.
Other than that, a very good showing by the defense. Mosby with two big plays. Hopper is pretty good between the tackles.
Who will make the team? I think you can go to Packers.com and look at all the guys on the first or second team. That's 44. Then, the three specialists make 47. So we can put 6 more on the 53. I agree that Dillon or Lloyd could be headed for IR. We're really only looking at about the last 6 or 7 places.....bottom of the roster.....the Special Teams Demons.
dobber
August 25, 2024 at 01:58 pm
It seems like we're stressing a lot about those bottom half dozen guys.
Coldworld
August 25, 2024 at 02:54 pm
Well, the rest are fairly obvious bar a surprise trade.
Thegreatreynoldo
August 25, 2024 at 10:20 pm
Perhaps.
1) Kalen King. Think he has enough talent to be a starter in the NFL. I want that for the Packers.
2) Welch. I think he is a good ST guy. It looks like in a pinch he could possibly, maybe against the right opponent, start at ILB for a few games. I want that for the Packers but I am not stressing out about him.
3) Tyler Davis. Not stressed.
4) Emanuel Wilson. Reminds me of Patrick Taylor. We are just waiting for Lloyd to get better. I actually think Wilson is better than Dillon, but Dillon is fine as a third down back and in a dire emergency - really dire since he lacks vision.
5. Zayne Anderson. Who? See Bennie Sapp.
6. Mosby Cox. We should keep him.
7. Jonathan Ford. We probably don't need him. Too bad about the Injury.
8. 7 of the 14 offensive linemen: Rooting for a couple of them. I mostly feel like a disappointed parent.
9. Melton. Keep him. Don't care btw Dubose/Heath.
10. Pratt. Due to inertia or laziness, it would be okay if they did not get off the recliner to send in waiver papers on him. If someone made a mistake and accidentally sent in a waiver request on Pratt, that would deserve a brief verbal reprimand.
11. Clifford. Kind of the same, but I know someone who associates Sean C with Clifford the Big Red Dog and can't get their fond memory of the cartoon out of their mind. Don't worry - if GB cuts Clifford, my friend will get over it, given time.
So I was going to give my prediction or maybe my preferences for the 53. But I needed a whiteboard. Or get I have to get up from my recliner. Too much for me. My avator shows me in said recliner with Bubba The Cat, after all.
Coldworld
August 25, 2024 at 10:59 pm
I find myself agreeing with most of that. It’s funny that you compare Taylor with Wilson. To me Dillon has come to
Look a lot like Taylor, not Wilson.
Thegreatreynoldo
August 26, 2024 at 04:29 am
We actually agree. Dillon is a quality third down back, as was Patrick Taylor. Taylor only got the yards that were blocked for him whereas I think Dillon gets most of the yards that are blocked for him, except when Dillon didn't see the hole or cutback lane altogether. [That might be a little harsh, but so be it.]
What I was doing was using Taylor as an example of how GB could and has in the past used the PS for roster construction, it is just that Wilson seems to be the odd running back out instead of Dillon.
The issue is that Wilson is not a proven third down back. I am comfortable with Dillon in that role as I was with Taylor in that role.
SicSemperTyrannis
August 26, 2024 at 06:50 am
Thank you for this! I did not get to watch the game, but these are the types of things I would be watching for, hoping to be able to discern. Your assessment of AJJ agrees with what I saw from him last year at TC; not really a desirable trait anywhere, but especially problematic at S.