Packers lose longtime OL coach James Campen to Browns

-- The gutting of the Green Bay Packers' coaching staff continues under the new regime.

They'll be losing longtime offensive line coach James Campen to the Cleveland Browns, according to Rob Demovsky of ESPN. He'll become their associate head coach and offensive line coach.

Campen, once an offensive lineman for the New Orleans Saints and Packers in his playing days, has been a member of the coaching staff in Green Bay for the better part of a decade-and-a-half. 

He was brought on as an assistant offensive line and quality control coach in 2004 before being promoted to a full-time line coach in 2007. For the remainder of his tenure with the Packers, he remained at his post before handling additional duties as a run game coordinator in 2018.

Campen was a significant influence in developing later-round linemen talent through the years, including Josh Sitton, T.J. Lang and David Bakhtiari, all in the fourth round.

Quietly, one of Campen's best contributions was establishing versatile players who are capable of filling in most of, if not every position along the offensive line in the event of injury. Players such as Don Barclay, Justin McCray, Lucas Patrick and even current starting left guard Lane Taylor, who's had to shift out to protection Aaron Rodgers' blindside at left tackle.

Campen may have been brought on the Packers' staff while Mike Sherman was the team's head coach, but he was retained by McCarthy, and the fact that the Packers allowed him to interview elsewhere this week was an evident sign that they were willing to move on.

Campen joins a staff in Cleveland whose front office is littered with connections to the Packers. General Manager John Dorsey and his assistant, Eliot Wolf, as well as Vice President of Player Personnel, Alonzo Highsmith all served in Green Bay at some point during Campen's tenure; there's no shortage of familiarity. 

Meanwhile, new head coach Matt LaFleur and the Packers will move forward with his vision in mind. He'll be hard at work throughout the week filling out his own staff, which will include Campen's replacement.

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Zachary Jacobson is a staff writer/reporter for Cheesehead TV. He's the voice of The Leap on iTunes and can be heard on The Scoop KLGR 1490 AM every Saturday morning. He's also a contributor on the Pack-A-Day Podcast. He can be found on Twitter via @ZachAJacobson or contacted through email at [email protected].

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CoachJV's picture

January 13, 2019 at 05:59 pm

I'm not shedding any tears. He coached as many busts as he did successes and he never really quite understood the zone blocking scheme that MM made him switch to.

Although he was a good pass-blocking coach. I give him that.

LeFleur will bring in a good Zone blocking OL coach and we will get better. Our run game will get better too.

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TheVOR's picture

January 14, 2019 at 10:13 am

I think most of his success as well as his OL's is Rodgers being as good as he is in the pocket, and his ability to move around.

This years line was a joke, and ya, we need an influx of new talent in there, especially on the right side. Go get us a vet, go get Mike Munchek and make him your running games coordinator.

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CAG123's picture

January 13, 2019 at 06:06 pm

Jesus let’s just call them the Cleveland Packers already

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Jonathan Spader's picture

January 13, 2019 at 09:58 pm

What about the Clackers?

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dobber's picture

January 14, 2019 at 07:49 am

CLACK ON!!!
CLACK OFF!!!

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CoachJV's picture

January 14, 2019 at 06:27 pm

Hehehe... 2 thumbs up for that one :-)

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Bearmeat's picture

January 13, 2019 at 06:09 pm

I actually think this is a loss. Campen has made great OLs out of later round picks for years. That said, LaFleur needs to do what he thinks is best.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

January 13, 2019 at 07:12 pm

Browns will be making a Super Bowl run in the next 2-3 years.

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edp1959's picture

January 13, 2019 at 07:23 pm

That is ok....Packers vs Browns.

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WinUSA's picture

January 14, 2019 at 12:57 am

No doubt about it.

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dobber's picture

January 14, 2019 at 07:49 am

With the draft and cap capital they've amassed, it would be the ultimate sign of mismanagement if they didn't.

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Skip greenBayless's picture

January 13, 2019 at 07:43 pm

Agree Bearmeat. Surprised? Campen was a damn good coach. More than likely it will be a negative as I don't believe LaFleur will bring in an upgrade. Campen was a meat and potatoes guy and he played center for the Packers. He was well respected by those players. They all related to him. I think Campen saw LaFleur in that conference and wanted to LaFly away from Green Bay as soon as he could. Thank God for Cleveland he said as I am sure he called them or they called him. Campen was a major upgrade for that team. They are raping us on their way to a super bowl. Count the Green Bay casualties. They got Dorsey, Wolf, Randall, Tretter and Campen and we got Kizer. Yeah, we're kickin' ass!!

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CoachJV's picture

January 13, 2019 at 08:12 pm

If you're so unhappy Dash, and have no faith in your team, why not just leave? I promise we won't be offended if you do.

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Skip greenBayless's picture

January 13, 2019 at 08:25 pm

Coach JV, you in particular seem to be triggered by whatever I say. It's called having an opinion. That's what this place is for. Do you not understand what having an opinion is? Does mine have to be the same as yours? Why would you want it to be? I have a few issues that bother you it seems. I don't like the head coach hire, I don't like front office decisions makers, I don't like having an aging qb with a huge contract we can't get rid of. That's pretty much it Coach JV. 3 major issues with underlying issues as a result. That's where I stand. Other than that I am happy with what's going on with the team. I am sorry if this bothers you and others. If I wanted to be upbeat I would watch an old Donnie and Marie episode on the internet. Not in the mood.

Dash

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CoachJV's picture

January 13, 2019 at 09:22 pm

Your opinions do not bother me Dash... you being an asshole and your lack of good communications skills does.

Plus, I see how you bully people here. I don't like bullies. You will not bully me. So just shut up, go hang out with your girlfriend Kirk, and cry in each others wine cooler.

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dblbogey's picture

January 14, 2019 at 01:08 am

I believe those are soy lattes, not wine coolers.

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dblbogey's picture

January 14, 2019 at 01:07 am

Congratulations, you now have 300 more dislikes than likes. Maybe YOU are the one with the problem.

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fastmoving's picture

January 14, 2019 at 04:51 am

"Other than that I am happy with what's going on with the team." you may be the funniest guy on that site, even if you don`t realise it.

And whining, hating and crying the whole day (about everything), has nothing to do with an opinion. complaining and blaming others its always easy. just like your boss…...

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

January 13, 2019 at 08:29 pm

"That said, LaFleur needs to do what he thinks is best."

Are we sure it was LaFleur that wanted him gone? Campen could have decided himself and asked to be allowed to interview. Sometimes it's hard to stay when all of your colleagues move on.

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Skip greenBayless's picture

January 13, 2019 at 08:37 pm

I agree Jeremy. I think that's more than likely what went on. Age is a factor. Campen is what, in his late 50's I'm guessing. This la Fleur is 39? Two generations apart. For the same reason I don't believe Rodgers will listen to LaFleur it also applies to older coaches like Campen having to start over and take orders from a younger guy two decades younger. I think he wanted out bad. Probably reached out to Cleveland or Cleveland anticipated Campen's unhappiness and called him. Damn it, this is exactly why I miss John T. Kirk. He would know the answer to shit like this. Nobody had inside info like Kirk. Kirk was as big a loss here as Campen was to the Packers.

Dash

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CoachJV's picture

January 13, 2019 at 09:32 pm

If LaFleur wanted him, he could've blocked him from interviewing... unless it was a promotion. Was it? I thought it was the same position.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

January 14, 2019 at 01:00 am

GB could have blocked Campen, who is 54. It has been a while since Campen has had a success story for the OL. Lane Taylor in 2016, which probably means a lot of that work was put in during prior seasons. I suppose 2nd round pick Spriggs after three full seasons finally showed a pulse, but Spriggs hasn't really met reasonable expectations. (Well, Spriggs may have met Jersey Al's expectations, but not those set by TT when he traded up and took Spriggs 48th).

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Big_Mel_75's picture

January 14, 2019 at 08:31 am

His title is assistant head coach offense line coach. Sounds like MM's structure...

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dobber's picture

January 14, 2019 at 09:10 am

Most teams use that structure. Maybe not all as OL coaches, but it's how they protect the assistants they covet most.

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LambeauPlain's picture

January 14, 2019 at 01:36 pm

It was a promotion as Campen is now the Assistant HC and OL Coach.

That is something ML would likely not do. We may need to save that Assist. HC role for his OC to attract good talent as the new hire will not call plays.

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dobber's picture

January 14, 2019 at 07:51 am

If there was any doubt whether Campen was "all-in" in GB for 2019, he should be all-out.

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LeotisHarris's picture

January 13, 2019 at 09:47 pm

I don't feel good about this one either, Bearmeat. Campen is a good coach. The saving grace for me is at least the Cleveland front office is littered with connections to the Packers rather than having a plethora of connections.

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JimR_in_SoCal's picture

January 14, 2019 at 11:23 am

Some of Campen’s greats over the years:

* List edited to show where/if they were drafted

Kofi Amichia - 6th
Allen Barbre - 4th
Don Barclay - UDFA
Daryl Colledge - 2nd
Andrew Datko - 7th
Dillon Day - UDFA
Breno Giacomini - 5th
Garth Gerhart - UDFA
Ulrick John - 7th
Nevin McCaskill - UDFA
Justin McCray - UDFA
Nick McDonald - UDFA
Jamon Meredith - 5th
Marshall Newhouse - 5th
Tony Moll - 5th
Kyle Murphy - 6th
Adam Pankey - UDFA
Lucas Patrick - UDFA
Derek Sherrod - 1st
Jason Spriggs - 2nd
Jason Spitz - 3rd
Herb Taylor - 6th
Orrin Thompson - UDFA
Greg Van Roten - UDFA
Josh Walker - UDFA

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dblbogey's picture

January 14, 2019 at 01:11 am

I'd forgotten how many really lousy offensive linemen we've had over the years.

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dobber's picture

January 14, 2019 at 07:56 am

True...but how many of those guys were UDFAs or 6th round fliers (or later)? If the Packers are typical of how many UDFAs teams bring into camp and how many OL they draft (although I would argue that other teams have used stronger draft capital on the OL than the Packers in recent years), I don't think Campen's record is terribly unusual.

In the end, people talk about MM potentially getting stale in GB. It might be time for the OL to start learning from a new mind, too. They won't lose what they already know.

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January 14, 2019 at 11:24 am

dobber, I think the point is “how well were the Packers’ reserve OL players developed by Campen?” I’m in the “not very well” camp. The Packers have had some really good starters over the years since Campen was coaching in GB. But some of those names on my list were starters at times for GB. How many of them were responsible for MM’s lame comments about pad level? Hahaha!

I tried to leave PS players off the list...so most (but not all) of these guys made the final roster. I edited my list to show the round they were drafted or if they were UFDA’s.

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CoachJV's picture

January 14, 2019 at 06:32 pm

Wow... that puts a little perspective on things. Of course, most of that is TT drafting, but they still should've been coached into serviceable back-ups.

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4zone's picture

January 14, 2019 at 08:22 am

Agree Bearmeat, and we also just got out hired for Monken by the Browns too. Looks like GB got rid of all their aggressive executives and Cleveland gobbled them all up. We better get our act together before we are scraping the bottom of the barrel.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

January 13, 2019 at 06:12 pm

I will definitely be watching this. It may be that Campen just wanted to move on, or has some connection to Cleveland we don't know about. The Wisconsin Media apparently can find out nothing about the motivation behind this essentially lateral move.

The hierarchy is HC, Assistant HC, then Associate HC for most teams. I don't think being named Assoc. HC is a big deal, but maybe he does end up getting additional responsibilities. Trust me, Campen was making a lot of money for a position coach.

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Jonathan Spader's picture

January 13, 2019 at 06:46 pm

"I will definitely be watching this. It may be that Campen just wanted to move on, or has some connection to Cleveland we don't know about."

Tretter, Dorsey, Randall, Elliot Wolf, the list goes on.

Wondering if living in Cleveland Ohio is a lateral move from Green Bay Wisconsin?

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January 13, 2019 at 06:58 pm

Yeah, that's true enough. I guess I thought coaches associated with coaches and not front office guys all that much. But yeah, Campen certainly would know all those people.

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Slim11's picture

January 13, 2019 at 07:31 pm

I've been to both several times. Personally, I'd rather live in Green Bay.

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dobber's picture

January 14, 2019 at 07:57 am

"Wondering if living in Cleveland Ohio is a lateral move from Green Bay Wisconsin?"

Everything in the upper midwest eventually drains through Cleveland (Lake Erie).

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Guam's picture

January 13, 2019 at 11:04 pm

The Wisconsin State Journal posted an article recently about the Packer FO wanting a clean break from the McCarthy era which was why they were moving on from Campen, Whitt, Philbin, etc. etc. Made the emphatic point that the decision to let Whitt go was made by the FO, not Pettine.

The WSJ asserted these decisions came, at least in part, from the FO's conversations with the Packer leadership council (nine veterans, one from each player group) where it was said there was too much complacency on the team from both coaches and players. The WSJ didn't say if any coaches were named, but inferred that the FO agreed with the complacency issues and was the driving force behind letting all of the coaches with long ties to McCarthy go.

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Lare's picture

January 13, 2019 at 06:29 pm

If LaFleur really wanted Campen he would have kept him. The Packers needed to get away from the same-old, same-old in order to get better, that's what they're doing..

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JerseyAl's picture

January 13, 2019 at 07:04 pm

This is my take as well.

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Rak47's picture

January 13, 2019 at 11:48 pm

Does it bother you Al when you see other coaches like Kitchens, Kingsbury, and Arians filling out their staffs with their top choices while LaFleur is still sitting on holdovers from the last staff without a single hire so far? We already know Shannahan rejected his request to interview 3 different coaches on his staff. Now Monken is in Cleveland and I just read that Hackett may possibly be headed to Detroit. The pool is getting shallower by the minute.

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NickPerry's picture

January 14, 2019 at 05:47 am

"The pool is getting shallower by the minute."

THIS was one of the problems I feared as did many others. This was actually my biggest fear about the MLF hire, could he get a quality coaching staff to come with him to GB....This and his inexperience. Hey maybe he was waiting for coaches from the Chargers, Eagles, Colts, and (UGH) Cowboys to be available to interview. Maybe he's waiting for coaches from the 4 remaining teams.

Hate on this all you want BUT McDaniels is heading to his 7th straight AFC Championship game. Yes he works for probably the 2nd best coach in the history of the NFL. But he's STILL calling the plays. He's still the OC and you can't just toss that aside like it means nothing. This is HIS offensive system or at least his take on the Patriot system.

I holding out hope and HOPING EVERY Packers fan is able to bring up this past week at the end of 2019 and say... "I told you so Nick Perry, MLF is the BOMB and was the absolute right hire". But in no way can you Poo-Poo on what McDaniels has accomplished because the guy is a A-Hole, left the Colts in a bind which the Colts owner Jim Irsay had something to do with as well with his big mouth.

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dobber's picture

January 14, 2019 at 08:00 am

By keeping Pettine (and several defensive assistants), ML can focus on getting his offensive staff put together. This is where his expertise is and where he should have multiple contacts and directions to go.

If he really had HC aspirations, and didn't already have a list of potential assistants at least on the back of an envelope somewhere, then he's not very good.

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January 14, 2019 at 07:44 pm

I like the Hackett hire okay...What about you dobber?

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johngalt's picture

January 13, 2019 at 06:32 pm

I’m officially wondering what this football team is doing now. One thing for sure- they will be brand new next year. Interesting how they are taking so much time to hire their coaching staff.

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CoachJV's picture

January 13, 2019 at 07:08 pm

I think it's:

1. Because LaFleur's name wasn't tossed around a lot before the end of the season so he didn't expect to leave the Titans right away. Therefore he wasn't contacting coaches ahead of time.
2. Because Shannahan denied him interviews of 3 coaches he wanted.
3. Because some coaches he may want are still playing (or were until today)
4. Because he's smart enough to take the best hire, not the quickest.

So much goes into a coaching search. It isn't wise to allude to anything else.

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dobber's picture

January 13, 2019 at 08:14 pm

I think that once he locks down an OC, everything else will fall into place.

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Rak47's picture

January 13, 2019 at 06:36 pm

Why let him interview elsewhere instead of just terminating his contract like they did with Zook and Whitt. Can anyone explain the reasoning behind that. I really hope he wasn't being kept on stand by as a fallback, That wouldn't show LaFleur having much faith in obtaining the coaches he really wants.

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CoachJV's picture

January 13, 2019 at 07:17 pm

Be a fan... have faith.

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January 13, 2019 at 10:04 pm

Rak, my guess is partly financial and partly respect for a solid coach. Campen made the choice to leave so the Packers can release him from his contract without further financial obligation. Firing would require GB to honor the remainder of is contract.

The second piece is maybe LaFleur was okay with Campen staying if he (Campen) felt he could work with the new leadership. Campen chose not to do so. LaFluer must have guys he wants in mind. I recall Holmgren being tweaked when Marty Morninweg got his HC gig and started raiding Holmgren's staff.

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PatrickGB's picture

January 13, 2019 at 06:39 pm

I wonder how many coaches are turning GB down?
But as has been said, for good or bad MaLF is the coach and change is here.

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dobber's picture

January 13, 2019 at 06:52 pm

Those kinds of things get out into the media. I haven't seen many confirmed, "No, Thanks," posts.

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January 13, 2019 at 07:14 pm

Why are you assuming many coaches are turning GB down???

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January 13, 2019 at 07:18 pm

Be a fan... have faith.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

January 13, 2019 at 06:53 pm

Darn, the Saints win dropping Packers pick at end of round 1.

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January 13, 2019 at 07:15 pm

Go Rams!

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CoachJV's picture

January 13, 2019 at 07:19 pm

I know... now the best we can h0pe for is #29

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January 13, 2019 at 11:39 pm

30 is the best they could get as the Saints have the NFL's best record. If they lose to Rams the last 2 picks will go to the SB participants and because of their record the 30th pick would fall to the Saints. Had they lost today they would have had the 29th pick.

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dobber's picture

January 14, 2019 at 08:01 am

It's outta their control. Need to let it ride and see where the chips fall.

You can't make a roast beef sandwich while the steer is still on the hoof.

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Jonathan Spader's picture

January 14, 2019 at 09:59 am

"You can't make a roast beef sandwich while the steer is still on the hoof."

Sure you can Dobber, it just has a little extra kick.

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January 13, 2019 at 06:56 pm

Many screamed for a total house cleaning. Let's not start wondering why any and all are being swept out...except for Pettine,whom I believe was part of the deal LaFleur had to agree to, even though they waited to make a realistic look like they, LaFleur and Pettine, talked about it.

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PatrickGB's picture

January 13, 2019 at 06:59 pm

I am allowed to wonder if I want to ;-)

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Tarynfor12's picture

January 13, 2019 at 07:06 pm

Le's not start wondering is more an ask not a command...wonder all you want if you wish. : )

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January 14, 2019 at 01:43 pm

Except ML came to the interview very prepared including a top list of DC's and Pettine was high on that list.

Pettine would be high on any list of a HC candidate.

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January 13, 2019 at 07:11 pm

How do the freaking Patriots keep winning? 40 year old QB, Rookie RB, 1 pass to Gronk, 30 something Edelman.....Disgusting...

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January 13, 2019 at 07:22 pm

Coaching, scheme, use of players, play to player strengths etc...all the things that the Packers don't/can't/won't do....Let's see what comes next season.

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January 13, 2019 at 07:58 pm

As Lombardi would say. What the hell is going on out there. Modern Day translation. What the Hell is going with this administration. You grew tired of MM. Said the offense was outdated. But How long have the patriots run the same Quick pass offense. Nothing fancy, Just get the ball out. So what does Rodgers do all year? Hold onto the ball. Get his coach canned. Blame the Wrs. Put more pressure on the OL. ETC. Nothing is simple at Lambeau. We now have a new coach that is ripping the staff to shreds. Welcome to the modern day rebuild. Who are these guys that are better than what we had. Is he to afraid their loyal to MM, and they will sabotage him? I expected friends. Good friends can be hard to find when your out on a tree limb. But the closer you look at the changes. The wins and the loses should not be on Lefluer. It should be on Murphy, Gute ,and anybody that wanted change. If we return to the 70s and 80s. I hope the stockholders go after their heads like they went after MMs.

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Since'61's picture

January 14, 2019 at 09:01 am

They don't beat themselves. Thanks, Since '61

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alforno54's picture

January 13, 2019 at 07:15 pm

Could be with new offense old style doesn't cut it any more. Pretty sure new staff already has someone in mind.

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January 13, 2019 at 07:43 pm

I have high hopes for MaLF, but I am sure impressed by the Patriots offensive scheme, plan and coaching....
Hope we didn't pass up something great.

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Rossonero's picture

January 13, 2019 at 07:48 pm

I am sorry to see Campen go. Whoever comes in has big shoes to fill.

I'm all for clearing out the "dead wood," but I don't consider a coach of his caliber to fall into that category.

I guess LaFleur did. I'll be curious to see what kind of O-line coach he can recruit.

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Mercian's picture

January 13, 2019 at 07:57 pm

Perhaps Campen wasn’t interested in running the zone blocking scheme LaFleur is planning to utilize

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January 13, 2019 at 08:42 pm

That's very possible. I'm not the biggest fan of it myself.

However if they plan to use the RPO I think they need to run a zone scheme. Maybe an expert on RPO can correct me, but I don't see how you'd power block a lot in an RPO scheme.

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dobber's picture

January 14, 2019 at 08:02 am

They've been running ZBS concepts for years.

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canadapacker's picture

January 13, 2019 at 08:02 pm

Sometimes one has to break a few eggs to make an omelet. I am not one of those guys who thinks that just firing everybody with the coach is a good thing. But the way that it is being done seems to be more respectful although maybe disconcerting to those on the staff. So far I am glad that Pettine is here and that Zook is gone. Now I want the new coach and the DC to pick the best guys to get this team up and running with a winning mentality.

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GoldenRetriever's picture

January 13, 2019 at 08:03 pm

I met Campen at Fan Fest many years ago, and he was by far the friendliest and most open member of the organization I spoke to. So the Packers will at the very least be losing a good guy and community member.

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Skip greenBayless's picture

January 13, 2019 at 08:15 pm

I believe it Golden Retriever. I remember Campen as a player. Total hard nosed by the book straight shooter type of guy. All the fans loved his blue collar style. I never met him personally but he seemed exactly how you described him when I would hear him speak in interviews. I think this is a bigger loss than most want to believe. You can't replace a Campen over night.

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OldTimer's picture

January 13, 2019 at 08:13 pm

I think who ever ends up as OC will impact the rest of the offensive staff as well. I am willing to wait for that to happen before I worry about the other coaches yet to be determined.

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January 13, 2019 at 08:20 pm

I am a wait an see guy but it is hard to feel this is not a loss. Campen is well regarded around the league. Maybe this could also be due to the recent lack of development in players like Spriggs, Murphy, Bell, McCray. Lane Taylor is okay, but has not improved. Will be interesting to see how this shakes out, Browns got Monken also.

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January 13, 2019 at 08:30 pm

lol.. Are you serious Bure? The Browns also got Monken? lol I just made a post about 20 minutes ago about how the Browns are raping us on their way to a super bowl and now they get Monken. Wow!! if this is true.

Well, maybe Rodgers will have to call his own plays after all. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Dash

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dobber's picture

January 14, 2019 at 08:05 am

I had no expectation that Monken was going to come to GB.

No play calling responsibilities means they're likely to get an OC who's pretty green. That doesn't mean that person won't be good. Someone who wants to stay on the HC radar just isn't as likely to pick a job where they can't put their wares on display--essentially a step back for Monken.

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January 13, 2019 at 08:39 pm

Remember the "pad level" talk days and zone blocking scheme failures? Fans were calling for Campen's head. Then, I think, the packers went with less zone blocking scheme.

This is probably for the best for both sides.

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January 14, 2019 at 01:20 am

Yes, Campen was hated by most GB fans his first several years. Then we got some better talent and suddenly he was a great coach. I won't pretend I know how good or bad he was, but from what I've read, the Packers could have refused permission to Browns to interview him. Thus, I'd say LaFleur didn't want him.

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January 13, 2019 at 08:37 pm

My issue is not what coaches do with the starters, but with the backups when they invariably have to play due to injuries. So I look at Campen and ask did he bring that marginal talent and make them useable fill-ins? I think the answer for the last two years is no. And because of that, the OL has to be rebuilt. Same thing can be said for QB coach. How did the reserves play? And when I hear the players asking for more accountability and less complacency, that is the direct result of poor coaching. No, Campen has to go. As well as most of the other coaches. If want to see good coaching, look at the Dline coach. How did the reserves plays with the starters going down? Montgomery is being retained because he kept the Dline play good even though all three starters were out.

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January 13, 2019 at 10:32 pm

Best post in this thread!

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LambeauPlain's picture

January 14, 2019 at 01:52 pm

Except Campen, who was the run game coordinator, had that phase of the O ready to go every week...except the last game where every phase seemingly fell apart.

I think he was offered the interview with the caveat he would also be a candidate for Associate Head Coach in addition to O line...that would be a promotion and ML could not block that.

If Campen wanted to leave...go already.

He's a good coach but ML needs his guys. And his blocking scheme is more wide zone blocking according to Joe Thomas so I expect ML has a few coaches in mind who know how to teach it.

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Razer's picture

January 13, 2019 at 09:14 pm

Sorry to see him go. Had to make an OLine out of the lunch meat that Thompson threw his way. Did a good job considering. Hope LaFleur has some decent coaches on his roladex cause most of the ‘potential’ coaches mentioned to-date seem to be busy finding jobs elsewhere. Welcome to head coaching Matt.

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nostradanus's picture

January 13, 2019 at 09:35 pm

R-E-L-A-X

With a new HC comes much change.
I am sure LeFleur has many relationships he has made and has a good idea who he wants to work with.
Cleveland can have our retreads, let’s hope they give Zook a job also.

It’s a new era, embrace it!
GO PACK!

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January 14, 2019 at 02:44 am

It is hard to say who is behind this move... I suppose if LaFleur wanted him to stay Packers would find a way.

There is no need to "panic" about those changes. It is normal to replace coaches from time to time. As with Mike McCarthy, for many of them it is time to move to next challenges. Their job with Packers is done. Also, there is enough OL coaches, already established, or young and promising, for replacement.

James Campen job should not be judged by players who did not succeed , but by those who became reliable starters in this league. That is because if you do not have good ingredients you can not cook good meal. I believe, David Bakhtiari, Brian Bulaga, Corea Linsley ans Lane Taylor tells us James Campen were doing good job for Packers.

It is interesting that Browns took Todd Monken for their OC, so he is off board for Packers... I have nothing against Joe Philbin, but I would really like to move on from him, too...

I do not believe that Packers will be in position to fight for SB in 2019 because we need to give time to new coaching staff and players to grow together to that level. I'm eyeing 2020 as the right season for that run.

Thanks

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Donster's picture

January 14, 2019 at 06:31 am

I think Campen has been a good loyal coach for the Packers. If LaFleur and or Gute wanted to keep him they would have blocked him from interviewing with other teams. If you do that, and Campen wanted to leave, then you have a coach who has to work through his contract at a place he no longer wants to coach for.

Campen may also thought that the new regime wasn't a good fit for him, and told Gute that was how he felt. He may also feel that Cleveland, with all their up and coming young players was a better fit for him, especially if he feels the Cleveland will be a SB team before the Packers can retool and refit.

Either way, thanks for the years of being a Packer player and coach James Campen. Good luck to you in the future.

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Slim11's picture

January 14, 2019 at 07:27 am

If all this activity was happening in late February/early March, there would be more cause for concern. Seeing Campen and Monken go to Cleveland is disappointing but not the end of the world. Monken would have been interesting in Green Bay.

There are others out there...some NFL, some college. I don't think MaLF is sitting on his hands.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 14, 2019 at 08:36 am

Yeah, I'm not worrying about any of it. Glad to have a fresh start. Just knowing that going forward,no matter who we acquire,whether by draft, free agents, or who the hell knows maybe even by trade, I have a better feeling that we will actually utilize them,and see sooner rather than later what we have. That alone is going to make next season exciting for me.

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dobber's picture

January 14, 2019 at 09:08 am

I have a feeling this will essentially all be done in the next 10 days or so.

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Since'61's picture

January 14, 2019 at 09:11 am

Continue the house cleaning. Let the players know they will need to prove themselves to the new staff next season. Move on. Thanks, Since '61

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January 14, 2019 at 02:00 pm

Firing Joe Whitt, Jr. surprised me a bit and if Silverstein is correct and it was called by Murphy, that would have me very concerned.

It would be better if Pettine made the call. Yet by all reports he seemed to have a great rapport with Whitt.

Campen really could not be blocked by ML if the interview was prefaced as being an interview for Assoc. HC and OL. But maybe he was ready for a new challenge and if he wanted to move on....if so, he should go.

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