Gutekunst Drowning In Questions This Draft Season

Forget about all the Aaron Rodgers questions, the real questions Brian Gutekunst and the Packers need to focus on are about the draft. 

The Packers are in the midst of the most unsettled offseason in recent memory.

With that comes a draft season with more needs than they've had in quite a while. 

They need an edge rusher, where Rashan Gary is recovering from an ACL injury and Preston Smith is turning 31.

They need a safety, where Adrian Amos left and Darnell Savage is in the final year of his contract (and coming off his most inconsistent season yet). 

They need a tight end, where they declined to re-sign Robert Tonyan and Marcedes Lewis.

They need a defensive lineman, where they lost Jarran Reed and Dean Lowry (who, love him or hate him, took a lot of snaps).

Should the Packers lock on to one of those needs? There are a lot of talented players in this year's class, but a lot of the top prospects that could fall to 15 might not line up with the Packers biggest needs.

So what would they do? 

What if a blue chip left tackle like Paris Johnson or Broderick Jones falls to them? Can the Packers count on David Bakhtiari, who struggled in rehab and has a monster cap hit looming?

What if Bijan Robinson, who looks like a generational running back, falls to them? The Packers have Aaron Jones and AJ Dillon, but are they long-term solutions? Would they take a running back that high?

What if Jaxon Smith-Njigba is there? He's a slot receiver, but may be a perfect fit in the Packers offense (and this receiver class is much shallower than the last two years). Would the Packers finally consider using a 1st round pick on a wide receiver (knowing that champions don't take wide receivers in the 1st round)?

What about Michael Mayer? He seems like the most complete tight end prospect since TJ Hockenson, but can the Packers really afford to take a tight end at 15?

The options are head spinning. Taking any of the guys above and they will probably get an immediate impact player. But what does Brian Gutekunst do with all the other (more pressing) holes he has to fill?

Maybe this is a year to trade down and recoup value. The Packers could have some appealing options for trading down this year.

I’m usually a fan of getting more picks (as was Ted Thompson, who built some winners). In a year when the Packers aren't expected to compete for a Super Bowl for the first time in a decade, and in a year where their cap is still healing from some failed all-in attempts, it may be a good year to trade back, stock up some picks, and re-stock the pantry.

It’s not as exciting as a first round wide receiver, but it’s the best path for a team that needs to strengthen its foundation.

The question is: will Brian Gutekunst see it that way?

 

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Lphill's picture

April 21, 2023 at 06:34 am

its just interesting how the Packers seem set to draft offensive players early , unlike when Rodgers was the starter for 18 years.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 21, 2023 at 08:08 am

It isn't interesting but much needed LP. Rodgers had very good receivers during his career, but particularly the early years of his career. I did the research and posted all the WR's and TE's Rodgers had when he took over in 2008 such as Finley, Donald Lee, Jennings, Driver, Jones, Jordy Nelson, etc. The cupboards are almost completely bare for Love. Don't confuse or make this years drafting about Rodgers.

However, it is fun to think about Gutey essentially being perceived about giving AR the finger on his way out by drafting offense. LOL! Oh the drama! Much like reports indicating AR is similarly giving the finger to the Packer organization by interjecting himself in the trade negotiations between the Packers & Jet's. Such fun & entertainment during a very miserably long & nasty winter! Can't wait until the draft!

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dobber's picture

April 21, 2023 at 09:51 am

I look at it in terms of elevation: over the years the Packers expected that 12 would be able to elevate the play of those around him. A great QB making the throws needed to make his supporting cast look stronger--and it's not like there was nothing around him. As you note, he had some really productive pass-catchers over the years.

To be honest, I don't think the QB makes a lot of difference in how they would draft this year: the needs are still the needs, and the rest of the supporting cast is already in place with minimal resources to change those parts.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 21, 2023 at 10:03 am

Knock, I respectfully disagree about the cupboard being bare. Watson has the highest upside of any receiver currently in the NFL and Doubs has shown he can play too. Toure has a chance to be good and they still have Aaron Jones to gobble up 50+ receptions. Yes they need a tight end (or two) and some receiver depth, but just about any team in football would be thrilled to have Watson and Doubs. I just feel like they're being overlooked. Love and Doubs had an immediate connection in the preseason and Watson put up 3 catches for 80+ yds and a td and another target in the end zone on just 10 snaps with Love vs the Eagles. Those two are about to do some serious damage. Theres plenty to be excited about.

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 21, 2023 at 11:09 am

I also think Melton can contribute.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 21, 2023 at 12:49 pm

I hope so. He certainly has the athletic traits. But can he play football?

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Lphill's picture

April 21, 2023 at 10:11 am

I agree on taking one of the top tight ends early.

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Since'75's picture

April 21, 2023 at 12:11 pm

I think there is some merit in Gute giving Rodgers the finger regarding the pass catching room.

After letting Jordy go and making Jimmy Graham the highest paid tight end in the league (OOPS) back in 2018, Gute hasn't replenished the talent level....since.
That's 5 years of talent depleshment people.

From 2018 on, Gute didn't do Rodgers and the offense any favors acquiring pass catching talent. Was it done for spite(?)
I don't know, what i do know, is Gute was caught with his pants down with an empty pass catching room.
Either A) Gute didn't realize how thin that room was getting.
Or B) He didn't seem to care much.
Devin Funchess?....Sammy Watkins?.... J'Mon Moore?...MVS?.....E.St. Brown?
Not exactly brilliant moves to upgrade the talent.

So after losing Adams, which he should have prepared for (duh).
He then decided, GEE.....i better draft some wide receivers again (duh)

So he drafted 3 of them, highly inconsistent concerning injuries, drops, etc.
BUT importantly...2 of them showing you flashes their rookie season.
Which is all you can realistically expect from...rookies.

You can NOT draft rookie receivers in the 2nd, 4th, 7th rounds...and expect them to give you veteran consistent production.
Nor should a team "have to rely" on that for their offense.
I know that, and Gute knows that ( i would like to think).

We are one game away from a Super Bowl, so what does Gute do in the 2020 draft?
Trades up for a QB in the first round.

He picks a QB to sit on the bench for 3 years, in the most receiver rich first round i have ever seen in my lifetime of watching drafts.

Gute gave up on Rodgers, and the current team at that point.

He drafted for the future.

Well....here it is, the future is now.
Good luck Gute.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 21, 2023 at 01:00 pm

75, There's another angle here that should be considered. It wasnt about spite or ignorance. Gute has been trying to fundamentally change how this offense operates and that began with Lafleur's hiring. Since then, they've drafted 2 tight ends in the 3rd round, a running back in the 2nd round, and a bunch of offensive linemen. I think the idea was to get away from relying so heavily on guys outside the numbers and focus more on winning inside the numbers. Or at least that's what Gute's draft approach has led me to believe. Look at San Fran for example. Yeah they gave Deebo and Aiyuk, but those guys do most of their damage over the middle or in the backfield on schemed up plays designed to get them the ball in space. They're not lining up in spread shotgun formations down after down and being forced to beat tight man coverage with no motion or help. Thats what this offense was supposed to look like. People talk about Deebo like hes some ace receiver but in reality hes a running back playing receiver. He cant do half of the things on an island like guys like Davante or Stefon Diggs can do. I truly believe Gute wanted Amari to be his Deebo but a certain somebody wasnt having any of it. Prevented that idea from ever taking shape by holding out then demanding they trade for Cobb. This right here has been the crux of the problem with this team for the last few years: the 3 most important guys of this team seemed to be on different pages philosophically. Cant build a mansion on a broken foundation.

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Since'75's picture

April 21, 2023 at 05:11 pm

Hello Baloney....Thanks for a well thought out response vs the usual empty brain dead thumbs down i usually get.

Everything boils down to the bottom line.

Gute had a specific strategy you profess, and you might be 100% correct, we don't know.
But what we do know, is results.

If Gute faced obstacles along the way, then he should have eliminated them, or over came them, no matter who or what it was.

Again...bottomline, he didn't get it done, he's had years, and his handling of the Love/Rodgers situation couldn't have gone any worse imo.

Now we have a team with many positional needs.
Including, receiver and tight end, even still, after years and years and years..
Gute has had a handful of years to address receiver and tight end, and he's failed, no matter how anyone wants to spin it.
He's in charge of the roster. period

TJ Hockenson was traded for what was the equivalent of a 3rd round pick.
Where was Gute during this?
I don't know about you, but i'd give all 5 of Gutes 3rd round draft picks combined, for a 25 year old Hockenson, and feel like i stole him.

What did Darren Waller get traded for, a 3rd round pick correct?
Where was Gute?
Bottom line....You have to be in the game, to win it.

Gute can change what he wants to change, Gute is the boss and it's his job, but.....if you still have a HOF QB under center who has made a living with his arm, you have to give him some talent, especially as he gets older where he doesn't have his legs, like back when he used to wow us with all those OMFG passes, we were all in awe over.

Baloney...the 49ers are the 49ers, the Packers are the Packers.
The difference is the 49ers are much stronger across the board.
Minus one foolish move...making that costly expensive trade to move up 9 spots to obtain Trey Lance.
We all remember the 49ers trying to work a trade for Rodgers before moving up to grab Lance..
If Gute wanted to construct a "new offense" without Rodgers, he could have gotten a Kings ransom at that time.
BUT...you have to have the balls of a Ron Wolf, or a Ted Thompson to make a move.
That was the time for Gute to shine.
Now Gute's on his knee's begging for a 1st round pick.

The Packers refused to talk to the 49ers back then and now, the Packers are at where they are at.
Trying to make the playoffs this season.

The bottom line in the NFL for General Managers, are results
After 5 seasons, the state of the Packers team right now, are the results.

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

April 23, 2023 at 03:48 pm

Since'75
April 21, 2023 at 05:11 pm
Hello Baloney....Thanks for a well thought out response vs the usual empty brain dead thumbs down i usually get.
Everything boils down to the bottom line.
Gute had a specific strategy you profess, and you might be 100% correct, we don't know.
But what we do know, is results.
If Gute faced obstacles along the way, then he should have eliminated them, or over came them, no matter who or what it was.
Again...bottomline, he didn't get it done, he's had years, and his handling of the Love/Rodgers situation couldn't have gone any worse imo.
Now we have a team with many positional needs.
Including, receiver and tight end, even still, after years and years and years..
Gute has had a handful of years to address receiver and tight end, and he's failed, no matter how anyone wants to spin it.
He's in charge of the roster. period
TJ Hockenson was traded for what was the equivalent of a 3rd round pick.
Where was Gute during this?
I don't know about you, but i'd give all 5 of Gutes 3rd round draft picks combined, for a 25 year old Hockenson, and feel like i stole him.
What did Darren Waller get traded for, a 3rd round pick correct?
Where was Gute?
Bottom line....You have to be in the game, to win it.
Gute can change what he wants to change, Gute is the boss and it's his job, but.....if you still have a HOF QB under center who has made a living with his arm, you have to give him some talent, especially as he gets older where he doesn't have his legs, like back when he used to wow us with all those OMFG passes, we were all in awe over.
Baloney...the 49ers are the 49ers, the Packers are the Packers.
The difference is the 49ers are much stronger across the board.
Minus one foolish move...making that costly expensive trade to move up 9 spots to obtain Trey Lance.
We all remember the 49ers trying to work a trade for Rodgers before moving up to grab Lance..
If Gute wanted to construct a "new offense" without Rodgers, he could have gotten a Kings ransom at that time.
BUT...you have to have the balls of a Ron Wolf, or a Ted Thompson to make a move.
That was the time for Gute to shine.
Now Gute's on his knee's begging for a 1st round pick.
The Packers refused to talk to the 49ers back then and now, the Packers are at where they are at.
Trying to make the playoffs this season.
The bottom line in the NFL for General Managers, are results
After 5 seasons, the state of the Packers team right now, are the results.

Dear Since'75,

CLEAR AS CRYSTAL AGAIN.

Thanks.

Sincerely,

STR

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White92's picture

April 21, 2023 at 10:12 pm

Preach brother

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

April 23, 2023 at 03:41 pm

"Since'75
April 21, 2023 at 12:11 pm
I think there is some merit in Gute giving Rodgers the finger regarding the pass catching room.
After letting Jordy go and making Jimmy Graham the highest paid tight end in the league (OOPS) back in 2018, Gute hasn't replenished the talent level....since.
That's 5 years of talent depleshment people.
From 2018 on, Gute didn't do Rodgers and the offense any favors acquiring pass catching talent. Was it done for spite(?)
I don't know, what i do know, is Gute was caught with his pants down with an empty pass catching room.
Either A) Gute didn't realize how thin that room was getting.
Or B) He didn't seem to care much.
Devin Funchess?....Sammy Watkins?.... J'Mon Moore?...MVS?.....E.St. Brown?
Not exactly brilliant moves to upgrade the talent.
So after losing Adams, which he should have prepared for (duh).
He then decided, GEE.....i better draft some wide receivers again (duh)
So he drafted 3 of them, highly inconsistent concerning injuries, drops, etc.
BUT importantly...2 of them showing you flashes their rookie season.
Which is all you can realistically expect from...rookies.
You can NOT draft rookie receivers in the 2nd, 4th, 7th rounds...and expect them to give you veteran consistent production.
Nor should a team "have to rely" on that for their offense.
I know that, and Gute knows that ( i would like to think).
We are one game away from a Super Bowl, so what does Gute do in the 2020 draft?
Trades up for a QB in the first round.
He picks a QB to sit on the bench for 3 years, in the most receiver rich first round i have ever seen in my lifetime of watching drafts.
Gute gave up on Rodgers, and the current team at that point.
He drafted for the future.
Well....here it is, the future is now.
Good luck Gute."

Dear "Since'75,

SUCH WONDERFUL CLARITY!!

What a breathe of fresh air.

Thanks for bringing TRUTH AND REALITY regarding Gute/Ball destruction of the Packers and the TRUTH AND REALITY regarding how SPOILED Packer fans have been with Rodgers.

Sincerely,

STR

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

April 22, 2023 at 11:17 pm

KTSOOY: "It isn't interesting but much needed LP. Rodgers had very good receivers during his career, but particularly the early years of his career. I did the research and posted all the WR's and TE's Rodgers had when he took over in 2008 such as Finley, Donald Lee, Jennings, Driver, Jones, Jordy Nelson, etc. The cupboards are almost completely bare for Love. Don't confuse or make this years drafting about Rodgers."

KTSOOY, Let's compare Jordan come September 2023 with Rodgers, September 2008.

Jordan this year will be playing with 4 second year receivers - Watson, Doubs, Toure and Melton.

Rodgers in 2008 was not only playing with a 2nd year receiver in James Jones and a 3 year receiver in Greg Jennings, but 2 absolute rookies in Jordy Nelson and Jermichael Finley, both who did not start and Finley hardly saw the field (6 catches).

Rodgers also had but one veteran receiver, Donald Driver, 33 years old on the downside of of his career. and tight end Donald Lee, nothing to write home about - comparable to Josiah Deguara in talent.

Jordan should have also been provided veteran wide receivers by Brian and Ball - -simply by retaining their very affordable own players. .

Ball and Brian should have immediately resigned Lazard (Jet cap hit $3.2M) and Tonyan (Bear cap hit $2.6 M) - in fact, as with Davante Adams and MVS in the spring and summer of 2021, these contracts should have been resolved in the spring & early summer of 2022

Lewis and Cobb, should have been signed right at the start of free agency in March 2023.

But Brian Gutekunst GM and Russ Ball know THE COST OF EVERYTHNIG AND THE VALUE OF NOTHING - INCLUDING THE VALUE OF THE INTANGIBES OF FREINDSHIPS, MENTORSHIIP AND LEADERSHIP of veterans that are actually still out performing just about every Packer receiver - Cobb YAC and fewest drops per target - and tight end - Lewis blocking and making the clutch downfield catch against the Dolphins.

Packers currently have $22.4 M in Cap space - 4th highest in the NFL - and can gain about $8M more in cap space with conversion of game active and workout bonuses into signing bonuses.

Brian - and Russ Ball - should have signed these veteran receivers and tight ends - and Jarran Reed (Seahawks $3M cap hit) and Kyrs Barnes (among the Packer best tacklers - Arizona $1M) as well - and when first able to do so back on March 13th, 2023.

And here was some Packer Management PROPAGANDA and the required AND dutiful SYCOPHANCY from early March 2023:

"#PackersDaily: Russ Ball is a wizard but there's only so much he can do"

Nonetheless, Jordan should be held to the same standard as Aaron in 2008 and measured against Aaron's 2008.

Now if this ignorant emotion and jealousy driven trade goes through - and maybe even if Brian does the prudent thing and retains Rodgers as the backup in case Jordan fails as the starter, which based on probability he will - we will get to see reality and we can compare Jordan's 2023 performance with that of Aaron's in 2008:

The Packers finished 6 and 10 in 2008 not because of Rodgers who was near the top of 32 starting quarterbacks in just about every important QB category, but due to key injuries on defense to nose tackle Cullen Jenkins (Jenkins drew double teams and the Packers had 9 sacks in the 1st 4 games and only 18 in the finally 12 games after he was lost), linebacker Nick Barnett (defense's play caller and leading tackler in 2007, lost for the last 7 games of 2008), and safety Atari Bigby (Bigby led the Packers in interceptions in 2007 and was 3rd in tackles) in game 2.

As a consequence of these injuries, the Packers defense in 2007 was ranked 6th and gave up 291 points and in 2008 the Packers defense was ranked 22nd and gave up 380 points

Rodgers in 2008 was near the top of the 32 starting QBs in all categories, despite playing through a severe injury to his right throwing shoulder in week 4 against Tampa Bay that limited him in practice and he played through for several games.

Statistic: 2008 total (NFL Rank)
Passing Yards: 4,038 (4)
Completions: 341 (7)
Completion %: 65.6 (10)
Touchdowns: 28 (4)
QB Rating: 93.8 (6)
20-plus yd. completions:48 (5T)
40-plus yd. completions:16 (1T)
Third-down QB rating:105.8 (3)
First downs passing:182 (9T)

Consequently, there is no grace period for Jordan in 2023.

Packers were 3 and 1 before Rodgers broke his thumb year and 13-3, 13-3 and 13-4 the 3 years prior and unless Packer management continues to rip the team apart the Packer 2023-24 team will be better than the 2021-22 Packer team every where other than maybe receiver and tight end depending on how 2022's and 2023's draft picks work out.

In 2023, Jordan will now have had 4 years to develop. Joe Burrow, Tua Tagovailoa, and Justin Herbert, the other QBs drafted in the first round of 2020, all had to start immediately or nearly immediately in Tua's case and have now played 3 years. Jordan has had 3 years to watch and learn from the greatest NFL QB of all time.

If Jordan doesn't come close to matching Rodgers QB numbers from 2008 - adjusted upwards for changes that have made the game easier for QBs and offense - Jordan is never going to be the Packers future starting QB.

The Packers are just a year removed from 13-3, 13-3, and 13-4 seasons and if not for injuries last year and adjustments due to Packer Management's screw up of the Davante Adams situation, the Packers would have had a comparable season last year.

Barring injuries, the Packers should expect to go 13-4 and have home field advantage.
If not, it is because:

a) Jordan is failing (i.e. Brian's choice)

b) Brian has otherwise screwed up the team over the last 13-14 months.

The Packers are not some team attempting to tank in 2023 or the ridiculous Dallas Mavericks and Mark Cuban tanking in 2023 who should have their 2023 first round draft pick taken away.

If you look at the year by year 2000 through 2022 NFL statistics for total QB performance from Stats Muse - totals for all 32 teams quarterbacks - you will notice that quarterback performance numbers have improved significantly. This is in no small measure to the continuous rule changes to protect quarterbacks and create more offense and scoring.

If you compare 2008 totals for all QBs - Aaron's 1st year as a starter - to 2022's totals for all QBs, you will notice the following:

Passer Rating - has increased 7.1% (Aaron's 93.8% in 2008 would have been 100.4% in 2022)

Pass Attempts per season has increased 9.3% (Aaron's 536 in 2008 would have been 586 in 2022)

Completion Pct. - has increased 5.2% (Aaron's 63.6% in 2008 would have been 66.9% in 2022)

Yards per Attempt - has increased 1.4% (Aaron's 7.5% in 2008 would have been 7.6% in 2022)

Yards per Game - has increased 4.5% (Aaron's 252.4 or 4,038 yards over 16 games in 2008 would have been 263.88 or 4,486 yards over 17 games in 2022)

TD% per pass attempt - has increased 7.6% (Aaron's 5.2 % in 2008 and 28 TD passes would have been 5.6% in 2022 and 32.5 TD passes in 2022)

Interception % per pass attempt: has fallen 17.1% (Aaron's 2.4% in 2008 would have been 1.9% in 2022)

Interceptions: have fallen by 10.2% (Aaron's 13 in 2008 would have fallen to 11.6 in 2022)

Keep these numbers handy as we compare Jordan in his 4th year relative to Aaron in his 4th year in this Ignorant, emotion based Packer Management trade goes through.

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Coldworld's picture

April 21, 2023 at 08:08 am

The Packers haven’t said anything, this is all us talking heads. We certainly need offensive players, defensive too, for this roster. However, I don’t see it as a given that the first pick is on O. I suspect everything depends on how the first 14 go.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 21, 2023 at 08:13 am

Truer words could not be spoken CW!

If I am Gutey I am poised looking to see if someone falls like Tyree Wilson, Myles Murphy, Van Ness, Christian Gonzalex, Devon Witherspoon, Jalen Carter, etc. before I make my choice.

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dobber's picture

April 21, 2023 at 09:52 am

Yup. I think the more likely blue-chippers are mostly on D in this draft.

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 21, 2023 at 11:54 pm

*Except for Bijan and maybe an OT or two.

If, 5 QBs go before 15, that means 9 position players will be off the board, correct? I just did a mock draft with the first 15 picks and Christian Gonzalez was there for the taking. So was Broderick Jones, Lukas Van Ness, Paris Johnson, Darnell Wright. Bryan Bresee, Calijah Kancey, plus all the TEs...

I think 5 QBs could go in the first 6 picks. It could get really interesting, very quickly dobber...

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coolhand's picture

April 21, 2023 at 10:26 am

I am really high on Witherspoon, hope he's around in the 2nd. Let's see what the Packers get in then AR trade. If it's 2 picks this year like a second and third that could really make a difference in how they draft this year.

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greengold's picture

April 22, 2023 at 05:58 am

You misspelled 12.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

April 21, 2023 at 01:03 pm

There's nothing but pundits indicating the Packers will draft offensive players early. We don't know their board. They may want a defensive line or edge rusher or even a CB early. I cannot see them taking a WR or a TE in the first round; that's not enough bang for your buck and they just picked a WR really high last year. The only offensive position I can see them going to in the first round is tackle. You can find plenty of NFL talent later at the offensive skill positions. Harder to find impact guys on either side of the line later.

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stockholder's picture

April 21, 2023 at 06:51 am

Every body has needs. Even KC shows needs
So what; if Guty goes out and tells us what we need.
After all; he's said," we're looking for LBs and WRs before".
Then turns around and drafts a Qb, Rb and Te.
We get the lies. Go on a Whim. I get the poker face.
Even the two face. And man, can he spend money.
But at some point, if the cupboard is empty.
You got to replenish it. I have a pantry.
Why didn't the packers? Ok I'll be positive.
Gutey is the man. Let's Kiss ass to get what we want.
We need. We need. We need. Jimmie Cricket .
If he felt we could do without the guys who left.
Why worry about the Needs. Don't over think this.
Draft the top rated player on the board.
Then beat your chest we got a Football player.

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Packerpasty's picture

April 21, 2023 at 12:22 pm

I hope thats what they do..BPA...look at all the thumbs down you get...you dont fit the mold of this Cheesehead case TV Cult...to bad many of these jerks are so intolerant...at least I get a laugh out of it all..

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 21, 2023 at 12:53 pm

They've been wrong before and they will be again, come Thursday night. They almost blew the Watson selection last April. Take the BPA as long as the guy is an Edge, OT, or one of the bigger, faster CBs. The One pick has to be a Starter.

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HarryHodag's picture

April 21, 2023 at 12:56 pm

I would agree with stockholder if he ever made any sense. Not everything centers around Packers management nor Aaron Rodgers.
Here are some facts that sometimes can't be perceived apparently.

1) None of the managers-coaches are leaving any time soon.
2) Aaron Rodgers has left the building and won't be back. "I was 90% sure of retiring..."
3) The team has a .741 winning percentage under Matt LF. Not all of it was Aaron Rodgers.
4) The Packers have had a remarkable string of success dating back to the early 1990's.

Those facts tend to be the core of analysis.

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stockholder's picture

April 21, 2023 at 04:15 pm

Harry - I won't make sense to the Bull heads,
that only want a Thumbs up.
your #1 wasn't started by me. I prefer MLF.
your #2 was the 90% sure because of his Friends.
He did indicate he was ready to play for the Jets.
The Rebuild was his pet peeve.
your #3. Nobody said it was all Rodgers.
Your#4. I stated nobody wins without a Great QB.
We had 2; and Rodgers became the greatest of all-time.
My opinions went against Gutey. Rodgers wanted to be traded.
And Gutey was the reason why. Or did you miss That?
The only thing you understand is the sell job now.
I didn't want to go against you or others.
But I don't believe in pushing people out the door.
The mentality has to be WE want to Win.

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

April 23, 2023 at 12:33 am

"Your#4. I stated nobody wins without a Great QB.
We had 2; and Rodgers became the greatest of all-time.
My opinions went against Gutey. Rodgers wanted to be traded.
And Gutey was the reason why. Or did you miss That?
The only thing you understand is the sell job now.
I didn't want to go against you or others.
But I don't believe in pushing people out the door.
The mentality has to be WE want to Win."

Stockholder: AMEN!!! You are spot on.

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Since'75's picture

April 21, 2023 at 07:19 pm

@Harry....

"The Packers have had a remarkable string of success dating back to the early 1990's."

True Harry, but....The Packers have also had 3 decades straight of 2 HOF QB's. Unheard of in the NFL.
I know the GM, the coaches and the rest of the team(s) share in that success and glory, but without those two QB's, it most likely doesn't happen.

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

April 23, 2023 at 12:36 am

"True Harry, but....The Packers have also had 3 decades straight of 2 HOF QB's. Unheard of in the NFL.
I know the GM, the coaches and the rest of the team(s) share in that success and glory, but without those two QB's, it most likely doesn't happen."

Since'75.

EXACTLY RIGHT.

We will all be cheering for the players as loudly as possible as always, but we do not have to eat management propaganda.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 21, 2023 at 02:27 pm

Pasty, passive aggressive much? If you have this big of a problem with the people here, take it up with them directly or leave. It's called being an adult.

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Coldworld's picture

April 21, 2023 at 02:41 pm

You got that from what SH said? Ok, I confess I didn’t.

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

April 23, 2023 at 12:39 am

I hope thats what they do..BPA...look at all the thumbs down you get...you dont fit the mold of this Cheesehead case TV Cult...to bad many of these jerks are so intolerant...at least I get a laugh out of it all..

Packerpasty,

The Cult is just a small click of Sycophants, Parrots and Lemmings - and Coldworld who is paid to post Packer General Manager Brian and Russ Ball PROPAGANDA.

They are funny.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

April 21, 2023 at 07:12 am

Every position on the roster is important, but I’m really not terribly worried about the offensive line or safeties. I think we have decent starters in both pools right now.
I see a lot of parity in the first and second round prospects this year, so I’d prefer to upgrade our truly weak tight end and defensive line pools. Unfortunately, the defensive line prospects are pretty awful this year. That leaves tight end as our best likely option. In fact, I wouldn’t be upset if the Packers used two of their top three picks on tight ends.

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mrtundra's picture

April 21, 2023 at 07:52 am

What Safeties do we currently have on the roster that give you little reason to worry? The Safety room is weak, talent-wise, in this draft. Brian Branch, from Alabama, is about the only first rounder in that group. The fact that Jason Rudolph brought up, in his conversation with Nagler, last night, was that Branch had only three missed tackles, as a Safety, in Alabama, when he played there. Knowing that Amos is a FA, and Savage's play is not what it used to be, are you going to rely on Tariq Carpenter or Rudy Ford, to hold down the fort, at Safety? I love Rudy Ford's play but he was mainly a ST guy, who filled in at Safety, on occasion. Giving the Safety job to Rudy, full time, may be a desperation move by Gute and MLF. Do you expect GB to move Rasul to Safety? I think Safety is very much in the Packers' plans for this draft. Everything depends on how the board falls, and who is available for Gute. I'm betting he makes several moves up and down the board to get whom he wants. I hope one guy is Branch. If they plan to mover Rasul to Safety, then I hope the guy they go after is Christian Gonzalez, CB Oregon. Less than a week to go, now! GO PACK, GO!!!

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 21, 2023 at 10:07 am

They picked up Tarvarius Moore, who is blazing fast and also one of the better run defending safeties in football. San Fran let hin walk cuz they tried making him a nickel and it didnt work out but his natural position is safety. They also retained Rudy Ford and still have Savage. A top rookie safety would be nice, but theres still talent and plenty of speed at the position currently on the roster.

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 21, 2023 at 11:10 am

Moore and Savage are certainly fast, no question about that!

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Coldworld's picture

April 21, 2023 at 12:07 pm

It’s worth pointing out that one slower guy who turned out to be a pretty good S is Micah Hyde, not for us though, sadly.

Hyde ran a 4.56 40. Branch ran a 4.58. Not a vast difference, although Hyde was noticeably better at the shuttle as well as well (branch ran 4.45 at his pro day, Hyde 4.2 at the combine). Branch hasn’t run a 3 cone. If anything that just suggests Hyde’s play speed difference is a little greater. However, Hyde’s real differentiator was a natural ability to read the field and anticipate. That boosts his play speed significantly.

Can Branch exceed him in that regard to compensate? He’s got some anticipation based on film, but is it that elite? It’s going to have to be if he’s to do well against much better athletes and complex offenses. That’s a big gamble to take in a first round, maybe second round S.

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 21, 2023 at 12:23 pm

Wasn't Hyde a 5th round pick? If we can draft Branch in the 5th round, I'm all for it...

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Coldworld's picture

April 21, 2023 at 02:52 pm

My preferred S prospects are guys like Robinson, Skinner and Battle. 4th or 5 th rounders this year. I was just pointing out that slower Safeties can be good, but noting that Branch has a bigger hurdle than Hyde, based on testing and suggesting what he will have to possess to succeed with that athletic profile.

Hyde was picked as a marginal speed corner, but someone saw what we didn’t, natural instincts to read and anticipate as a C. He should have been picked as a S and higher based on hindsight and performance.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 21, 2023 at 12:38 pm

Cornerback over safety should be the pecking order.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 21, 2023 at 01:10 pm

You know what makes the entire secondary better? A better pass rush. Remember Nathan Vasher? Dude was a total scrub for the Bears but managed to get a bunch of picks and make a pro bowl one year because Tommie Harris was absolutely unblockable and forced quick throws into their cover 2 defense play after play. I know its cliche, but everything really does start up front. Personally, I wouldnt mind seeing them draft Isaiah Foskey in the 1st and Mazi Smith in the 2nd. Just go for it. Build that iron curtain of death that no qb wants to play against ever. Its how the 49ers built such a great dline with I think 5 1st round dline picks in the last 7 years or so. Then our secondary will look real good no matter whos out there. Less time to throw equals less space to cover. Isnt sexy at all, but seeing opposing qbs tremble in fear is what I want to see.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 21, 2023 at 03:55 pm

Just went back to double check: 49ers have drafted 5 defensive linemen in the 1st round since 2015. None were drafted later than #17 and 3 were top 10 picks. Meanwhile, they havent taken a db or linebacker in the 1st round since Jimmy Ward in 2014. Get the big guys early and the rest will take care of itself.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 21, 2023 at 07:08 pm

When they were Losing, they had higher order picks. The blue chips in this years' draft are CBs and OTs in round one and a couple of edge guys...

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greengold's picture

April 21, 2023 at 09:57 pm

I couldn’t agree more.

Doesn’t matter how good your DBs are, without a pass rush they’re toast.

In a strong EDGE class, let’s get a couple of the best. Two at a minimum. Our EDGE depth is poor.

2023 is actually the best DL class in 3 years. Some really good ones to be had. We could add two, easy.

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RCPackerFan's picture

April 21, 2023 at 07:52 am

"I wouldn’t be upset if the Packers used two of their top three picks on tight ends."

I was just thinking about this, this morning. Could the Packers draft 2 TE's very early? I think they could.
If they get the Jets 42nd pick. I could see them potentially going 15 and 45, or 42 and 45 at TE. There is a pretty good variety of types of TE's. They could definitely look to draft a couple of those guys.

I think its probably a little more likely that they would draft a TE in the 1st or 2nd round and another in the 3rd/4th round area. But it wouldn't surprise me if they went with a couple early.

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dobber's picture

April 21, 2023 at 08:13 am

I just don't see it. I think they'll look at TEs on day 2, but absent an additional 1st, they'll draft a trench player, OLB, or DB in round 1. The depth at OLB and DB might lead them to gamble that they can uncover gems a little later.

TEs are a key piece in LaF's offense and the offenses we're seeing emerging from the McVay/Shanahan coaching trees, but drafting two early would fit if this were a "finishing piece". This team has needs that make a second TE early very much a luxury pick, and--I think--would definitely call BG's judgement into question.

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RCPackerFan's picture

April 21, 2023 at 08:26 am

Ultimately I think they will look for other positions in the first round unless they trade down from 15. If they traded down to lets say early-mid 20's, I would not be surprised to see them going TE or Edge.

What is the biggest most glaring need for positions on the roster? TE would likely be the top of the list. They have essentially 1 guy with experience. They typically use 3 regularly. That is why I could see a scenario that they would draft 2 TE's early. Also TE is one of the strongest positions. That is why I could see this happening.

I think it is more likely that they would go 1st/2nd and 4th/5th. But I am saying that I wouldn't be surprised if they would got 2 TE's earlier.

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Coldworld's picture

April 21, 2023 at 09:19 am

I don’t see 2 TEs early as very likely. If they rate Washington highly he could be one they take early on upside. Mayer is another: they could him see as a one stop resolution to the TE issue (though I think he’s high floor low-ish ceiling). I do not think they would take both of those.

Guys like Kincaid, Musgrave may be seen differently however. They are really more big WRs who play a lot out of the slot. They block like WRs not TEs too. If the team sees them as best options to fulfill a Lazard type role, then I could see and buy into a draft with Mayer/Washington and a Kincaid type both taken early.

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RCPackerFan's picture

April 21, 2023 at 09:37 am

This is essentially what I'm saying. I could see them going that route.

Maybe Washington and Kincaid or Musgrave. Something along those lines.

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 21, 2023 at 09:02 pm

We definitely need pass catchers, so whether they go TE high + WR high or two TEs high doesn't really matter to me. Right now, TE is a true weakness, and we've seen Gutey double and even triple up on weaknesses. I feel almost certain he will draft two or even 3 TEs and possibly 2 WRs. It may depend on what we get in trade for AR12, as to how many pass catchers are drafted total.

I think you're on the right track RC, even if other's don't.

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dobber's picture

April 21, 2023 at 10:18 am

I think Mayer will be a productive player who--barring injury--has a long tenure in the league. Washington will probably be able to play a long time, but I have way more questions about his ability to be the consistent pass-catching threat some make him out to be. I don't like either of those guys at 15, but in the mid-20s or later?

Deguara is the "complicating" factor--he's in a contract year, he hasn't been utilized very much, and he's really more HB/FB than TE. What do they think they're going to get from him? There are several guys in this draft who profile in the same ballpark, but have more TE chops.

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Coldworld's picture

April 21, 2023 at 10:54 am

LaFleur was clear about how he saw Deguara contributing and why he wanted that type when he was drafted. The long-standing question is why none of those things have been attempted seriously. We all know one theory, but now we get to see if LaFleur just evolved away from a position and person he very overtly “needed” from Gute.

If we aren’t going to use the H-Back role, then get a true FB or allocate the roster spot elsewhere. Deguara isn’t a true TE in build or strength. He did well when given an opportunity last year, but that was so seldom it’s hardly worth it and that in an I O that was largely constipated much of the time. Over to you Matt, your hands are untied, your scope to design an offense untrammeled. What will we see?

I agree on your take on Meyer, the debate is will he be a plus player or just a reliable piece. His athleticism at the next level makes that a genuine question. I personally believe Washington has a greater upside and lower floor in terms of immediate scope of contribution, however, his blocking and red zone presence is enough to tempt me, coupled with one other thing he can do in the passing game, and that’s get up the field in a hurry and with fearsome momentum for defenders.

Washington does have natural hands. Imagine Lewis who could just fly through the front 7 from scrimmage and what that would do for Watson and others after they see that. Imagine being the CB or safety covering. I like that idea a lot. A good offensive mind could get a lot from that alone I think. I’d be lying if I said I’m sure we have that though.

I agree that both are later firsts at best, but I have Washington ahead on upside. If we gamble on him at 15, I could live with it if we just couldn’t trade down and the board wasn’t kind to us (which may be linked). I’m really not sure how the top 14 will break this year.

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Oppy's picture

April 22, 2023 at 10:38 pm

The most intriguing aspect of 2023 for me, outside of getting an extended introduction to Jordan Love, is seeing how the offense unfolds on the field of play.

I have a sneaking suspicion it is going to look a lot more like the offense we had expected when MLF was brought in than what we've seen for the last 3 seasons. We may even see Deguara regularly contributing.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

April 21, 2023 at 10:09 am

Agree dobber. I think a day two tight end will allow the Packers to grab the best player available in the 1st round. While it's far from glamorous, one of the top offensive tackles or edge rusher would come in handy.

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 21, 2023 at 10:24 am

If their 1st round choice turns out to be a stud, that IS glamorous, no matter where he lines up.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 21, 2023 at 12:43 pm

Yes, three options, Edge, OT, CB.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 21, 2023 at 10:08 am

All I can say is if they do draft 2 tight ends early, they damn well better use them.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 21, 2023 at 08:19 am

PEO,
Of course should the Packers get #13 vs a 2nd round pick that changes things big time, but I consistently think any of Calijah Kancey, Mazi Smith, Keion White, BJ Ojulari, Felix Anudike- Uzomah, or Adetomiwa Adebawore are likely going to be available at #45. I like either Kancey or Mazi Smith at that #45 because the DL talent drop off fast after that. Good Edge rushers in rounds 2 & 3, so to me everything points to a first round pick of.....

JSN or Quentin Johnston
Dalton Kincaid
Bijan Robinson

or an Offensive Tackle like Broderick Jones, or Darnell Wright though I don't see the need, so it would have to be based on BPA, or that D. Bachtiari is being traded. I see the team going defense in round 2. There are a lot of good TE's in the middle of the draft like Tucker, LaPorta, Luke S., and others. Meaning unless they take Kincaid as TE1 in round 1 there really doesn't seem to be a need to take numerous TE's early as there is talent later. Guys like Josh Wyhle, Fordham, or Sims. Let's focus on DL & Edge in rounds 2 & 3 unless someone falls that is rated much higher.

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Coldworld's picture

April 21, 2023 at 11:46 am

If you take Johnston you are taking a guy who is really most likely to succeed in the Lazard role as a big physical receiver. His burst is minimal and he takes 20 plus yards to build speed. Very good in contested situations, strong, good catch radius . Able to run deep on occasion as a surprise. Is that a first round prospect?

I think he’s a higher 2 on merit and will be good if used right. I like the idea of a Kincaid type in that role, but there are some other mid late rounds big receivers who could too, especially if we can get a deep threat out if Melton or Toure from the slot-both have a valid history of that.

JSN I don’t want at all. Firstly he would fill a role I prefer Doubs potential in (and which Toure can back up) and secondly he’s a very much slower than Adams (or Doubs) version of Adams. Everything is about quick feet and suddenness, but he has early Adams hands issues (correctable probably but a factor now) but he’s notably slower. Adams wasn’t fast but he had enough to grab yards and evade. JSN may not.

What we very much need is a back up X. I’ve noted that I have doubts over Johnston’s ability to succeed there. We need someone to allow Watson to move around or, ideally, Doubs too. A perimeter specialist with speed and size who could provide a speed threat with them or replace a hurt Watson. There are a number of mid/late round prospects that fit that bill and could develop into more over time.

I’m not in the group that think we need a slot specialist. I think Doubs/Toure/Melton (and maybe Goodson) plus a late pick will give us a competitive group and options for the snaps not going to the bigger guy or Watson as well as Jones.

If we can then get a blocking TE with more ability to contribute in the passing game than Lewis has now, I think we are fine. That’s ignoring options like actually incorporating H back play too. However we get these pieces, there are options throughout the draft. It’s a question of what falls and who our scouts have real plusses on and how the draft falls that determines where we start out acquiring them, as I see it.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

April 21, 2023 at 01:05 pm

We have decent starters on the line, but you're not just drafting for now. Both starting tackles could very well be gone next year. Do we have two starting tackle talent to step up next year, already on the team? And backups for them? No, I don't think so.

And safety? We have one starter and a bunch of ST guys. We really need a safety in this draft and one that could start, since having cap space for a vet is tough this year.

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WD's picture

April 21, 2023 at 07:35 am

Granted, we could use another safety but it likely won't be found in this years draft. If the Pack is serious they should make an offer to the Bengals free agent safety. Otherwise Rudy Ford has earned the right to start. The priority is Edge and TE for the draft. Ideally Nolan Smith and Darnell Washington (or Kincaid)

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 21, 2023 at 08:31 am

Vonn Bell signed week one and Bates went to Atlanta.

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 21, 2023 at 07:36 am

Maybe Gute’s unpredictability is a good thing.

Ask yourself if you had to choose one of these, how you’d react if:

A) He takes a player you covet but that player turns out mediocre or worse (for me, that was Clinton-Dix)

B) He takes a player/position you DON’T want and that player turns out to be a blue chipper (for me, that was Jordy Nelson. A receiver?? They don’t need no stinking receiver!)

Lots of talk about trading down for more picks. I keep hearing the talent pool is heavy in rds 2 and 3, but you’ve gotta have a partner. Hopefully there are some teams willing to tango. Because, as you know, it takes two.

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RCPackerFan's picture

April 21, 2023 at 07:45 am

"Lots of talk about trading down for more picks. I keep hearing the talent pool is heavy in rds 2 and 3, but you’ve gotta have a partner. Hopefully there are some teams willing to tango."

Exactly right TK. It takes 2. Hopefully there will be some body that someone in the early-mid 20's wants to come up for.

Also hopefully they can get this deal done with the Jets and get at least 1 of their 2nd round picks. I would absolutely love it if they could come out of this draft with 4 picks in the first 2 rounds.

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dobber's picture

April 21, 2023 at 08:19 am

"Hopefully there will be some body that someone in the early-mid 20's wants to come up for."

I read the link on projections on trade-ups in the article, and it's really just looking at values and how they align, but there's precious little there that implies those teams might actually be hungry to move value picks for high picks. The players on the board next Thursday when 13-15 come up will determine that, not just algebraic manipulations of draft pick values.

"Also hopefully they can get this deal done with the Jets and get at least 1 of their 2nd round picks"

More and more I tend to agree with the speculation that this drama is being managed for maximum impact, and that something will be announced at the draft. Additional day 1-2 picks would be awesome.

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RCPackerFan's picture

April 21, 2023 at 08:42 am

It all depends on who is on the board. If one of the QB's is on the board at 15, I could see some teams looking to move up for one. Commanders, Lions, Bucs, Seahawks, Ravens, Vikings are all teams that could potentially be looking to move up for a QB. A team may look to get ahead of the Commanders for a QB.

Just the way it sounds, it sounds like the deal is pretty much done with the Jets. But we will see.

My ultimate wish. Trade down into the 20's. Pick up another 2nd round pick. End up with 3 2nd round picks.

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greengold's picture

April 21, 2023 at 10:02 am

All of the NYJ picks will be awesome.

Seriously, I believe we’ll have their 13, 42 & 43 at a minimum, considering a much bigger trade.

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 21, 2023 at 10:25 am

I admire your optimism!

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 21, 2023 at 12:47 pm

Not happening.

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greengold's picture

April 21, 2023 at 10:30 pm

Flippant. Appreciate it tho.

Why would the Jets trade for Rodgers and not protect him?

I’d love to know how they’re going to do that if we don’t trade them some OL along with AR.

You don’t think AR made any demands there?

Lol. Go ahead and learn for yourself what the Jets don’t have at OL.

It’s so not “not happening.”

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

April 25, 2023 at 08:34 pm

I'm seeing lots of opportunities for exactly that, many high round picks which is a fit for the current needs. Dig Gutey really trade #15 for 13 just to trade back? Or just for pure ego, to be able to say he got more than a 2nd rounder this year?

Curiouser and curiouser ...

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 21, 2023 at 08:30 am

Okay, trading back may be a good move, but we do not want to be the team reaching out to trade back because then the other trade partner has the upper-hand in negotiations. Ideally, we want teams to reach up to us and offer the trade allowing us to have the upper-hand in negotiations. There is a difference when a team desperately wants to move up to get their player.

My question is how would some of you think about Gutey's unpredictability if he drafted Hendon Hooker say with either #45, or #78? Now that would be funny, yet at the same time if Hooker is as good as advertised I could understand the move even though we would miss out on a very good & much needed position player.

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TheKanataThrilla's picture

April 21, 2023 at 08:51 am

I honestly do think that we will draft a QB. I think that you have to look at the chance that Love may not be the answer and have someone who may both push Jordan and/or replace him if necessary long term. The question is what round does that makes sense? Of course if a talented QB that they have highly rated falls into their lap they probably have to pull the trigger on the pick.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 21, 2023 at 09:24 am

TKT,
Agree!

I am not advocating for Hooker up there in round 2 (most likely), or even round 3 as the Packers do need a lot of talent at other positions. The Packers do need a back-up QB and if Hooker is as good as being advertised should the Packers draft him I would not be upset if at round 2 - 3. Down the road the Packers would be able to possibly trade one of the QB's for a round 1 pick.

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Coldworld's picture

April 21, 2023 at 09:37 am

He’s not, but there are some good mid late prospects who are. They are not likely to be anything more than 3rd QBs this year and longer term developmental prospects like him, but some stand a better chance than him. Hooker is a guy who got noticed for his athleticism like Richardson, not for where he is now. He’s a poor man’s’ Richardson. Hooker is also likely to miss the entire summer and camp too after his late November ACL.

Richardson will be way overdrafted, maybe Hooker will too. Being drafted by the Packers might be the best thing that happened to either as they need a lot of polishing but I sincerely hope we draft neither, at least on the first two days.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 21, 2023 at 09:46 am

Frankly, I have not spent time on Hooker but have been reading about him. He certainly had some talent with Cedric Tillman and Hyatt at WR. Richardson I totally agree is likely to be taken way higher than he should be. Athletic freak but will he ever be the QB he is being projected? I'd pass!

The QB I really liked in mid-rounds after watching him at the Combine is Dorian Thompson - Robinson. Looked as good as the top QB's to me. He is probably available for sure in round 4, and possibly even round 5.

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Coldworld's picture

April 21, 2023 at 09:53 am

Really interesting vertical spread offense variant offense under Huepel. Very different from the pros but very effective in college this far. Simple route trees, largely predestined read-free or very limited read schemed open offense. A number of teams appear to be looking to duplicate it. The system is definitely seen by others as a factor in their success.

This is a good summary: https://mikefarrellsports.com/.amp/featured/strategy-the-tennessee-wide-...

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 21, 2023 at 01:03 pm

I would take Hooker over Stroud, or Young.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

April 25, 2023 at 08:37 pm

I really hope that Gutey does not pick a QB. 3 in the room now, with needs all over the field including kicker. If JL10 doesn't work out we get a high #1 next year + a low #1 from the Jets and can trade up for a top QB then.

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RCPackerFan's picture

April 21, 2023 at 07:37 am

In the NFL the games are won and lost in the trenches. You have to take care of your lines first and foremost. If the best player available is along the lines they should definitely go that route. Besides the lines, you have to look at premier positions. Essentially its protecting the QB, giving him some big time targets, and then its stopping the CB. Stopping the QB is basically finding Edge and CB's.

The Packers OL is in pretty good shape overall. They have 6 guys that can be starters. 7 if you would count Newman who has started. However if they feel that one of the OT's in this draft are way better then who they have, they have to go that route. OT is a premier position in this league, and you have to have premier players at those positions.
On the DL, they have 3 guys that will be starters. But behind them it is very thin. DL is a bigger need then OL at this point. They have to improve the DL and they lost 2 starters from last year. DL is quietly one of the Packers top needs. Not many people are talking about it, but don't be surprised if they come out of this draft with a couple of guys on the DL.

Edge is another bigger need. With Gary likely out to start the season, Smith will be year older, Enagbare coming off a rookie year, and Hollins more of a complimentary piece, they could use another guy. There are some Edge players that could come in and really add to what they have. They need to be able to apply more pressure on offenses. The best way is to have Edge players as well as DL, that can rush the QB, and blow up running plays.

CB they don't have quite as big of a need. But if one of the top guys is available, they could definitely go that route. Stokes is coming off a significant injury, and they only really have Douglas and Alexander as the CB's with a ton of experience.

The Packers will likely be trying to give Love as much talent as possible. They will try to surround him with as many weapons as they can. That doesn't mean that they will use their first round pick on a WR or TE though. The first round they can go a number of different directions.
Ideally the Packers will trade down. If they could pick up an extra 2nd round pick and potentially have 3 2nd round picks, that would go a long ways to upgrading the roster.

This roster isn't as bad as some think it is. They have the OL pretty well set. The RB's are good, they have 2 young studs at WR. I think Deguara will be a key player for them with Love as the QB, but they need to add to the TE and WR positions. i could see mid rounds them adding another RB. Jones and Dillon potentially could be their last year in GB. OL they will always draft. DL they have a big need at. Edge they need another stud. LB they are set at. CB they can always use CB's and S, they need at least 1 safety. They may look for a Kicker as well. They also may look for a QB.

They have a number of ways they can go, but whichever way they go, they have to nail it! They have to make the right choices if they want to remain competitive in the future.

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 21, 2023 at 07:57 am

Yes!
Also, another way I am looking at “building around” Love (or any QB on any team) is to improve the team in any fashion.
Pass pro helps the QB
Running game helps the QB
Receivers help the QB
Good defense helps the QB
(Gulp) special teams help the QB
As long as you get the arrow pointing UP, you’re helping the QB!

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RCPackerFan's picture

April 21, 2023 at 09:07 am

Yeah that is true too. You can build around the QB buy building up the entire team.

I just think with Love right now he needs better pass catchers around him. He needs guys that can win contested catches. Guys that when he hits them in the hands they catch it. He needs another guy that if he hits on a slant, that guy could potentially turn it into a homerun.

We know they will be using the running game a lot. We know that Watson is one of the best young playmakers in the league. Doubs was one of the top rookie WR's until he got hurt. So we have some pieces there already. I just want to surround Love with a few more pass catchers that can be difference makers. That can be at TE and at WR.

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 21, 2023 at 12:10 pm

Drafting Bijan might give Love his best pass catcher on the team. That is not a hot take, it is possible Bijan could be our best RB, Slot WR, or even outside WR.

The only person on the team that touches the ball more than RBs are QBs and that is only because they take the snap almost every play.

By all accounts Bijan is a great receiver, so if MaLF can incorporate him into the offense correctly, he could be CMC 2.0 or AJ 2.0. By all accounts I've seen, his character is above reproach, so there should be no concerns there.

If the Eagles pass on Bijan at 10, I expect a team to want to trade up to 15 for him, so Gutey might be able to make some magic happen. You still have to decide if the trade is better than taking the player, ala TJ Watt/Kevin King...

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RCPackerFan's picture

April 21, 2023 at 12:45 pm

That is very true.

I have seen some people say that they think he is the best player in the draft. If the Packers didn't want him, they potentially could have some teams looking to trade up for him.

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 21, 2023 at 02:38 pm

My question is: If he's a top 3 - 5 player in the draft, why wouldn't the Packers want him?

We damn sure didn't need a QB when Gutey drafted Love, but he did anyway. The same reason he should draft Bijan if he is there at 15. (BPA)

If Bijan is there at 15 and Gutey doesn't draft him because he's not the BPA on our board, our board sucks. If he doesn't trade the pick for excellent return on investment, he's stupid. What would you rather have, a possible FHOFer at RB or 3 picks in the top 100 that end up being terrible picks.

Kevin King
Damarious Randall
Jason Spriggs

I'm doing a terrible job explaining what I mean. Yes, it's possible that Bijan isn't as good as some predict. It happens every year, but passing on him or trading the pick for lesser talent seems like a good way to mediocrity...

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Leatherhead's picture

April 21, 2023 at 12:52 pm

""Edge is another bigger need. With Gary likely out to start the season..."""

Actually, the reports I'm hearing is that he'll be back by the season opener, which means he and Smith will be our starters, and Enagbare and Hollins will be backups. I don't look at that and said "Edge is a need" that's going to require a premium pick.

We were 6th in the league in pressure percentage last year, even with Gary missing half the season. It you spend a high pick on an edge, that's a want, not a need, IMO.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 21, 2023 at 02:29 pm

Front lines are always a need no matter whos on the team. You're only 1 injury away from a gaping hole.

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Coldworld's picture

April 21, 2023 at 02:59 pm

If he’s back, and it is an if, it doesn’t mean he’s the same guy for a while. I would have thought all of us would realize the lag after ACLs by now. Don’t expect Gary to be Gary for a while after his return. Even with him, we are thin anyway. We saw that last season.

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greengold's picture

April 21, 2023 at 10:51 pm

The Packers blitzed more Week 1–11 = pressure. Not much after Barry switched to zone.

Preston’s getting older. Gary shouldn’t be counted on, and you know this.

Failing to add 2 more EDGE players in one of the best EDGE classes in years would be malpractice.

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 21, 2023 at 11:34 pm

Agree. One early and one in the 7th round for sure, plus UDFAs. Let the best 53 make the squad.

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lou's picture

April 21, 2023 at 01:32 pm

Agree that games are won in the trenches, just look at the 49er's because of the talent in the trenches if Mr. Irrelevant doesn't get injured in the playoffs their 3rd option at QB they have a good chance of winning the Super Bowl. Another example is the Chief's who are solid in the trenches year to year except just prior to their Super Bowl loss when they had to get offensive lineman off the street because of the number of injuries and even Mahomes couldn't compensate for it.

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 21, 2023 at 11:39 pm

If the 9ers had a better OL, he probably wouldn't have gotten hurt. They might even have won the Super Bowl. Who knows?

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dobber's picture

April 21, 2023 at 07:40 am

Lots of needs and lots of ways to address them through a couple positions with depth in this draft. Trust your scouting, take the guys at the top of your board.

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Coldworld's picture

April 21, 2023 at 08:15 am

The objective is to get the most value possible based on your board. If the best player available isn’t seen as significant upgrade then picking him may not achieve that. That’s when you look to trade down, hoping another team agrees, has a better need fit and is willing to pay for it. Take 2 BPA from a similar talent pool with the resultant picks who do help now. This roster does need more talented contributors and doesn’t have a lot of options to acquire it.

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Leatherhead's picture

April 21, 2023 at 12:48 pm

The objective is to win games, and that usually means outscoring them, and so I'm looking for guys that can help us score points in this draft.

I'd take a WR at 15, and another at 45, and get a TE on Day 3.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 21, 2023 at 08:34 am

I say early in the draft you have to take BPA regardless of position. After round 4 you start taking best player available at positions of needs. This was collaborated by this NFC Scout as an approach as by then it is so hit & miss in the dratft.

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dobber's picture

April 21, 2023 at 10:25 am

Agreed.

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Coldworld's picture

April 21, 2023 at 12:13 pm

The definition of BPA is subjective and always has some element of fit with need or longer term roster strategy.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 21, 2023 at 01:48 pm

Now I would agree with that CW!

I remember thinking somewhat along these lines when I was single and in college, as my definition of attractiveness would continuously change after every beer, and as I watched the clock tick closer & closer to closing time.

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greengold's picture

April 21, 2023 at 10:43 pm

Always.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 22, 2023 at 03:48 pm

:)

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croatpackfan's picture

April 21, 2023 at 07:56 am

Bruce I understand your doubts and at some degree I agree with you.

For me the main drive about this draft choices will be MLF & Barry request for type of players they would like to have because that is depenable on their schemes they want to play. We already saw that by drafting AJ Dillon and Joshiah Deguara. There might be better choices, but MLF wanted that type of players for his vision of offense and Brian Gutekunst gave him them. Also, we all knows (as we saw by the posted clip) how MLF was delighted when Packers took Jordan Love.

Idea that only scouting department and BG has the last word in this constellation of power scheme put by Mark Murphy, is little bit oversight. GM and HC are at the same level of power and that might at some extend criple possibilities for BG to take the BAP at any draft picks Packers will have.

If BG has normal authorities as any GM in NFL (well, minus Cowboys and few other franchizes), there is question who would be chosen as Packers HC post Mike McCarthy era. Picking HC from other person (Mark Murphy) and expect BG to just aline with that HC, might be the main problem why we do not see BG in clear view. Maybe BG has different view from MLF how the team should looks like and what system team should play. If that is the case, we have additional problem here. My own attitude here is that Rich Bissacia is more BG type of fooball coach than MLF. That is why RB got the right players for his scheme for ST. And we saw significant improvement in that department.

Whoever would be picked I will root for that player to excell and have significant contribution to Packers team.

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 21, 2023 at 08:00 am

Bijan is widely touted as generational. 33 is about to turn 30. 28 is on the last year of his deal. If Bijan falls to 15 I wouldn’t puke if GB took him.

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Coldworld's picture

April 21, 2023 at 08:32 am

Some think Bijan is a top 5 player in this draft. Excluding the QB needy teams chasing the consensus best 2 QBs, young and Stroud, that would mean that there are a couple of players who aren’t QBs who are deemed as better value. In addition, it also means some 9 to 13 GMs have decided that they can do better than Bijan before we get the chance.

Bijan looks good, but if most GMs agree he’s that good, we aren’t getting a chance at him. If 10 plus pass taking non QBs, then it’s a pretty good sign there’s no professional consensus that he’s a generational talent. 10 GMs don’t all pass on a guy genuinely seen as a true generational player, even if he is a RB.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 21, 2023 at 08:52 am

A rare disagreement my friend! The talent is there but positional value may not be for teams because there are teams like probably the Packers who cannot think creatively in how to utilize him if they do not have a dire need at RB. Personally, I don't think he gets past the Lions at #6, or maybe someone trades up. If Bijan is sitting there at #15 he will be that rare guy should the Packers not draft him where I actually get a little pissed. Man would he be fun watching in a GBP uniform. Fun to go to training camp and watch & the Friday Family Night Scrimmage.

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Coldworld's picture

April 21, 2023 at 09:45 am

I think that, if he is as good as you think, he’s gone. It’s not infallible by any means, but if he is there at 15, I will see it as a suggestion that he’s not seen as that. Of course, like Rodgers, that could just be wrong.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 21, 2023 at 09:57 am

With as good as he is as a receiver and with the ball in his hands in an open field (after setting the NCAA missed tackle record of 104 last year) would you agree he would be fantastic as a Slot WR this year with the occasional jet sweep, and rotating/spelling AJ's? Thoughts? Great idea or damn stupid? :)

He just seems way too good to let go by without snagging him. I picture him catching a pass on a slant or in the flat with only one or two players to beat.....game over!

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Coldworld's picture

April 21, 2023 at 12:20 pm

There’s a very big difference between being a good slot and a good RB in the slot. I’d have to watch a lot more film of him and his offense to form an opinion.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 21, 2023 at 03:01 pm

To me Bijan reminds me of a much bigger/tougher/rougher/stronger & more durable Zay Flowers who I really like. They both have that lightening water bug like quick movements with their first step making defenders miss. Difference is Bijan I believe has the ability to play out wide, as well as out of the backfield as a dual threat.

Zay is 5'9 1/4" and 182 lbs running the 40-yard in 4.42. Bijan is 5'11" and 215 lbs (33 lbs heavier) running the 40-yard in 4.46. Other than physical stature they both are extremely elusive with similar speed. In addition to rushing for 1,580 yards in 12 games for nearly 7 yards a pop & 18 TD's, Bijan also caught 19 passes for 314 yards and 2 TD's for an average of over 16.5 yards a reception.

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PatrickGB's picture

April 21, 2023 at 09:06 am

A while back, I believe that twenty some teams passed on a certain QB from Cal.😉 Just because others pass on a player does not mean he is not a generational player. If Robinson falls I would hope that GB seriously consider drafting him. A TE or slot receiver may only touch the ball a few times during the game. A great RB gets 10-20+ touches. I realize that is an oversimplification yet still believe that a generational RB is not to be overlooked.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 21, 2023 at 09:10 am

Patrick,
I almost posted the AR angle along with the Tom Brady angle but decided not to. I recall the infamous passing up Barry Sanders to draft Tony Mandarich. Let's not make the same damn mistake again! :(

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 21, 2023 at 11:17 am

AND Deion Sanders AND Derrick Thomas…

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Coldworld's picture

April 21, 2023 at 03:10 pm

The Mandarich comparative is treacherous because, at the time, Mandarich was seen as the consensus generational player. He was a much more universally lauded certainty than Bijan.

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 21, 2023 at 04:13 pm

He was. He was the best lineman on the field while playing at MSU. He played like wild beast with constant pancakes...no one could beat him. It was like he was playing on drugs or something. He was.

Wouldn't have that issue with Bijan...a low risk amazing talent. IF he dropped to 15...oh boy, I wonder. Putting him in the slot and even run him from there?

A fan can dream.

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Oppy's picture

April 23, 2023 at 09:24 am

Keep in mind, Tony Mandarich was touted as perhaps the most dominant OL to ever grace the draft, "The best offensive line prospect ever". The often-touted "generational talent".

Yes, he was a bust.

The lesson isn't "Don't make the same damn mistake again!", the lesson is "You can only do so much research, but nothing is guaranteed." At the end of the day, it's all a projection of what may happen in the future.

Barry Sanders, Deion Sanders, Troy Aikman, Derrick Thomas.. any of them -could- have been busts. You just never know. Too many factors. Talent is only one of those factors.

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 21, 2023 at 11:40 am

Bijan could play RB, Slot, and even out wide. He could easily be our best WR by mid-season.

If I were GM and he makes it to 15, I would have a tough time passing on him. If I were HC, I'd find a way to get AJ, AJ, and Bijan on the field at the same time.

Drafting Bijan wouldn't be about this year, but the future, and whether Aaron Jones is still on the roster, or AJ Dillon gets an extension, doesn't matter. Having Bijan for 5 years makes having a top-flight RB affordable and gives our offense a weapon who could easily have 300 touches in '24.

I'm not saying we should draft him, but I'm saying if he's the obvious BPA, which he would likely be, it would be stupid to pass on him for a slow Safety, or a slot only WR.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 21, 2023 at 10:15 am

You never know. It wasnt that long ago that Jonathan Taylor fell all the way to the 2nd round and hes the best running back prospect I've ever seen.

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 21, 2023 at 11:41 am

So, you weren't old enough to see us pass on Barry Sanders? Unfortunately, I was. SMH

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 21, 2023 at 12:45 pm

I was alive but really young. That being said, as good as Sanders was, he wasnt 230 pounds with 4.3 speed. Taylor was also the most productive runner in the history of college football. Im not even from Wisconsin so theres no Badger homerisms here either. Still absolutely baffled Clyde Edwards Helaire was a 1st round pick and Taylor was not. Imagine the Chiefs with Taylor. Even the so-called best gm in football misses badly sometimes.

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Racingdad's picture

April 21, 2023 at 09:05 am

Just read an opinion piece about if bijan is indeed there at 15 Dallas really wants him and would give us 26+57 plus 25-5th couple that with 42 from jets ( my dream is 42 and 43 ) that would be three picks in second take either kion white in first or Darnell Washington than have 3-2nd rd picks for te/edge safety and wr than look for d line later look for wanna Morris OT that’s a RT second te , wr etc. that may be one way they choose to go. There is anothe route stick and pick at 15 if skoronski or Wright are there ( two best in that order per Mike wahle) than get at least 42 to start filling in te, etc. why this might happen is most likely d Bach’s last yr in gb possibly yosh also The draft should be used to A. Fill holes on roster B. Plan for future

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TheKanataThrilla's picture

April 21, 2023 at 08:13 am

In a way I find it nice that we have so many avenues we can take as I hope it means that we do take the best player we deem to be available on our board. There is hopefully no reach. Unfortunately, some of our immediate needs and upcoming needs are weak in terms of talent in this draft (Safety, OL, DL) so my fear is many of those positions will be over-drafted. That being said I think the Packers may just surprise us with a CB pick if a talented one drops or they look at next year's lineup and take the best OT given Bakh and possibly Yosh are both gone. At the end of the day we will all be here next Thursday & Friday analyzing and overanalyzing the selection and comparing it to the guys that were still on the board and who we wanted if we were in Gute's shoes making the pick. Exciting times ahead.

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ReaganRulz's picture

April 21, 2023 at 08:56 am

Lots of great draft commentary in this forum over the past few months. While it’s always exciting to draft a high profile-shiny-new object (which we rarely do), adding players that can move the chains, tackle and protect JL is the way to go next week. Hoping to pick up another 2nd rounder by trading down and then a third 2nd rounder from the JETS-JETS-JETS!!

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Leatherhead's picture

April 21, 2023 at 09:06 am

.I guess I start with a different set of assumptions than other people here, because I assume that the Packers have a plan, and they've been working this plan for years, and they have an organization that does things a certain way because they've found it works, and that the scouting department started preparing for this draft over a year ago, just like they're already preparing for the 2024 draft right now.

I also am not, and never have been, in the camp of "we're going to suck for a year or more". All emotion aside, the single salient factor that stands out to me is the need to improve the offense. Defensively, we only surrendered 2 more points than KC, but KC scored 126 more than us. The Lions and Vikings were 5th and 7th in offense, respectively. In fact, except for the Lions, the teams that scored 400 points or more were playoff teams, and the teams that scored 370 or less, like us, mostly weren't.

If you want to improve the offense, what do you do? We've replaced the QB. We've resigned Jenkins and Nijman, we return 6 bonafide starters on the line and a very good RB combo. We need a weapon. A real weapon. Not some lumbering TE who makes an occasional hilight on ESPN, misses a few games with injury, and ends up with 50 catches for 500 yards and 5 TDs (which would be a VERY good season for a rookie TE). And we need one more stud on that offensive line. And we could use one more complementary weapon to compete at WR.

IMO, when you take away the defensive players, the QBs, and the OL, the best WEAPONS on the board looks something like this: Robinson, JSN, Johnston, Gibbs. I think these guys are all better offensive weapons than any of the TEs would be. There's a good possibility Robinson will be gone, and perhaps JSN or Johnston, but at least one will be there at #15, as well.

If we got a guy like Gibbs, that would almost certainly lead to us trading Dillon. I like Dillon a lot, but Gibbs is just a much more dangerous guy with the ball in his hands.

IMO, again, at #15, we're looking at a top WR or a top TE, and when you look at rookie impacts, it's pretty clear that taking a WR at that spot is a lot better bet than any of these TEs.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 21, 2023 at 09:17 am

LH,
Agree with every thing you share with the possible exception of Jahmyr Gibbs. Exciting player but just like Aaron Jones about 15 lbs below the average weight of an NFL running back. Is Gibbs going to be the bell cow at that size, or will he need to be where you have to do snap counts & utilize him as more of a gadget type player to save him? Might the Packers be able to utilize him creatively like Bijan playing out wide, or as a Slot receiver from time to time?

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

April 21, 2023 at 01:42 pm

As I’ve said countless times, some team will have a Pro-Bowl player if they take Jahmyr Gibbs and convert him to slot WR.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 21, 2023 at 01:52 pm

PEO,
With his talent & his limited physical size from a career perspective he would best be suited for the Slot. My opinion as well! I hope Gutey & LF can get aboard and be creative with someone like Bijan or Gibbs allowing them to become even greater threats offensively.

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Coldworld's picture

April 21, 2023 at 03:15 pm

How different is he from Goodson? Just faster? I think Goodson is bigger and ran 4.2.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 21, 2023 at 03:38 pm

Theyre about the same size. And Goodson ran a 4.42 at the combine.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 21, 2023 at 05:20 pm

I have often wondered about Goodson. He looked good receiving the football last year and I thought had promise. We already have Toure, Melton, and as you say Goodson. All who could fill that slot spot. I had not done any research on Goodson prior to last years draft, but I recall the word was he would be taken down too easily. Maybe that playing in the Slot some might be a good thing for him, particularly if he isn't getting any playing time at RB.

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Coldworld's picture

April 21, 2023 at 06:45 pm

I know Goodson would actually go out and get targets as a WR in college, outside as well as in the slot. He’s got exceptionally good hands and catch radius for a RB.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

April 21, 2023 at 08:34 pm

I think Gibbs is WAY more elusive than Goodson. He is a truly hard-to-grab runner.

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 21, 2023 at 09:57 pm

Way more is right, may not be strong enough... Gibbs is way more elusive than Aaron Jones, imo. I'd be fine with Bijan or Gibbs, tbh.

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Coldworld's picture

April 22, 2023 at 09:01 am

I’m not arguing that Goodson is a comparable runner, but he is probably a better catcher. I wouldn’t choose either as a bell cow RB. Goodson, if he’s mastered pass pro—a question that Gibbs too will have to answer—is good enough to set up the dual threat and arguably a better asset through the air. Personally, I’d spend my draft capital elsewhere given our range of needs and Goodson’s presence already.

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HarryHodag's picture

April 21, 2023 at 01:07 pm

Leather,

I agree to a point. The most glaring and telling need, to me, is at safety. Amos isn't coming back unless he signs for the vet's minimum. The safety position is one of the weakest in the draft. The Packers have a bunch of lesser players at safety, including Savage. My take is grab a safety(Brian Branch) early, then fill the rest of the holes where there's an abundance of talent like TE, WR and outside linebacker/edge. A third round safety this year is no better than what is already on the roster. There are five tight ends who could help the Packers right away after Mayer.

The salary cap issue has already stopped the Packers from filling the positions with capable veterans. As such, they're likely to fill it with draftees and street free agents. Other than the Bears, the rest of the NFC North is slightly ahead of the Packers. Miracles can happen but I don't think we'll see the playoffs for a couple of years.

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 21, 2023 at 06:26 pm

Safety weaker than tight end as of today?

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

April 21, 2023 at 01:46 pm

I agree Leather, but if you convert Gibbs to slot WR you don’t have to cut Dillon. I’d be 100% okay with him, Bijan, Quentin, or JSN. Or Darnell Washington. 😃

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Oppy's picture

April 23, 2023 at 09:29 am

I believe most scouting departments are looking quite a bit further than 2024.
Heck, the regional scouts typically are aware of talent who are seniors in high school.

I would assume most teams keep running boards that span a 4 year window.

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NJ-RICK's picture

April 21, 2023 at 10:00 am

I want what's best for the Packers but I have little faith in Gute. Its time for changes in the front office...

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packer132's picture

April 21, 2023 at 12:09 pm

Gute was ranked #6 by one source and #8 by another recently out of 32 GM's. Yeah, get rid of him. He assembled the players to three consecutive 13 win seasons after taking over for Ted Thompson and a 6-9-1 team. I guess you would rather have the front office of Carolina, Jacksonville, or the Raiders. You don't know what's best for the Packers.

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White92's picture

April 21, 2023 at 10:27 pm

Tom Braatz 2.0

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 21, 2023 at 10:11 am

I dont care who they draft. Just get some ballers and lets go kick some ass. Just win, baby.

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 21, 2023 at 09:11 pm

Hard to argue with that!

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Packman60's picture

April 21, 2023 at 10:13 am

JSN or an edge. I would even be o.k. with taking DL Breese at 15, but please no OL or TE. I would only take a TE in the 1st if they are able to trade down, 15 is just too high for a TE. I really think there's a high probability JSN is there at 15. In the 2nd round I would take TE Musgrave, Washington or Kraft and with the Packers likely getting a 2nd from the Jets take MacDonald the edge from Iowa State. In the 3rd either a Safety or DL.

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stockholder's picture

April 21, 2023 at 10:49 am

McDonald is a Jets No.
Adebawore is the guy they want.

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PackyCheese500's picture

April 22, 2023 at 12:32 pm

Bresee is too injury-prone. Good player though, but too risky.

I love Washington and Kraft. Not Musgrave (too injury prone and not enough tackle-break or YAC ability)

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stockholder's picture

April 21, 2023 at 10:44 am

Follow the Money- QB
Edge-
RB-
OL-
If he trades down. I'll take the OL from Tenn.

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TheKanataThrilla's picture

April 21, 2023 at 11:38 am

I am guessing they are going Darnell Wright with their first pick hopefully trading down in the process and with the extra pick hopefully getting the other Darnell.

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 21, 2023 at 09:12 pm

No such things as “too many Darnells”!

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pantz_bURp's picture

April 21, 2023 at 11:41 am

"Gutekunst Drowning In Questions"

R-E-L-A-X

Mad lad Gutester has this covered. No drowning, he is prepared to dive in, with a speedo or might I suggest a G-string.

I ain't nervous...just damn confident is all.

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Packerpasty's picture

April 21, 2023 at 12:23 pm

BPA is what he'll do..

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 21, 2023 at 04:14 pm

My vote? Stock the pantry.

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Packerpasty's picture

April 21, 2023 at 06:59 pm

BPA is what I said, but....just something that makes sense...Dallas wants that RB and will trade with Packers so Pack moves down to 26 and gets a TE...hmmmm

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Coldworld's picture

April 21, 2023 at 08:21 pm

A TE and?

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 21, 2023 at 09:13 pm

Littering and…?
Littering and…?
Littering and…?

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PackyCheese500's picture

April 22, 2023 at 12:32 pm

26: Take Nolan Smith if he's available, and if not, then Darnell Washington

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White92's picture

April 21, 2023 at 10:18 pm

I'm expecting a trade up for a punter or long snapper

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PhantomII's picture

April 22, 2023 at 03:59 pm

Identify which teams have the best pass rush unit in the NFL, WR unit, DL, etc. and start sniping players that are not protected on their 53 roster and fill your team with guys who are better than what you have. Trade picks if need be to get to their 53 players or during/after the draft.

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haevs6's picture

April 22, 2023 at 08:16 pm

Gutey falls in love with players...some very questionable love affairs... O Burks move up in 3rd round, Amarie Rodgers 3rd round plus 4th to move up, #1 D Savage move up plus 2 4th rounders......all have not been positive... add in J. Moore at a #4, TE J. Stensberger #3 & UCLA OL Rhyan #3 and you have to at least say there are a lot of wasted picks?.... 2018 Draft we have 1 player, a very good one in Alexander, but that is all we have from that draft..... J Love move up plus a #4. I hope he hits a home run, but I'm not sure of what to expect from past experience... Get a TE, DL/Edge/WR early and maybe we have a good chance to build w/ a new QB who I hope does well

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

April 22, 2023 at 09:29 pm

haevs6: Gutey falls in love with players...some very questionable love affairs... O Burks move up in 3rd round, Amarie Rodgers 3rd round plus 4th to move up, #1 D Savage move up plus 2 4th rounders......all have not been positive... add in J. Moore at a #4, TE J. Stensberger #3 & UCLA OL Rhyan #3 and you have to at least say there are a lot of wasted picks?.... 2018 Draft we have 1 player, a very good one in Alexander, but that is all we have from that draft..... J Love move up plus a #4. I hope he hits a home run, but I'm not sure of what to expect from past experience... Get a TE, DL/Edge/WR early and maybe we have a good chance to build w/ a new QB who I hope does well

haevs6,

Did you see Rex Sheild of Cheesehead TV's April 14, 2023 article:

"Draftin' Ain't Easy: How the Packers Have Drafted Since 2017- "Some teams navigate the draft waters better than others. "
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The assessment of Brian Gutekunst's drafting was from Pro Football Focus analysts who looked at “PFF wins above replacement over a four-year rookie contract.” for all players drafted by the 32 GMs. PFF's numbers showed:

1) "The Packers ranked 17th in terms of draft success in the first round, taking into account positional value, and 7th in the NFC.

2) On Day 2 (rounds 2 and 3), the Packers have been below average since 2017. The team ranked 27th.

3) Finally, the Packers rank 21st on Day 3 (4th round to 7th round) in team draft success from 2017 until 2022."

The PFF article that Rex referenced was titled "NFL general manager superlatives, trends: Most successful at trade-ups, best Day 3 drafters and more" and was written by Brad Spielberger on April 11, 2023.

Rex of Cheesehead Tv was just trying to be kind to Brian Gutekunst. with his qualifying "but....." at the end.

After all, even though Cheesehead TV claims at the top of their website:

"Cheesehead TV is not affiliated with the Green Bay Packers or the National Football League."

for some unknown reason, Cheeshead TV also offers that:

"We are the 1st independent fan site to be officially credentialed at a Packer Regular Season, Playoff Game & Superbowl (XLV)."

and I am sure they do not want to lose Packer Management and "The League" (i.e. the 31 Billionaires Owners) credentialing them.

I am hoping Brian and Ball and Murphy COME TO THEIR SENSES AND TRADE JORDAN LOVE and keep Rodgers and draft QB Hendon Hooker out of Tennessee.

Hooker will probably go in the 1st or 2nd round so Packers will have to come up with a 2nd 1st round pick in a trade - hopefully Love is worth a 1st in a trade.

Love should be worth at least 1 draft pick - a 1st or 2nd rounder - at the very least to other NFL General Managers and their Scouts and Analysts, unless no one other than the Management Sycophants and Packer Management paid posters (Coldworld an obvious one) on this Cheese Head TV Site believe Love is a Franchise QB - as the Bears just received 2 first round picks, 2 second round picks, and a young wide receiver from the Panthers for the right to draft a QB that has never played in the NFL and is as likely to be Ryan Leaf as Peyton Manning.

Also hoping the Packers draft Jaxon Smith-Njigba (Ohio State, wide receiver, 1st round), Darnell Washington (Georgia tight end, hopefully he is still around by pick #45), Tuli Tuipulotu (USC, edge rusher|linebacker/defensive end, hopefully he is still around come the Packers 3rd pick, which is the 78th pick overall).

Beyond those picks, the Packers will probably pick the best player available, regardless of position, but the Packers probably most need an agile wide receiver - Smith-Njigba would fit that - other wide receivers (vet or rookies) for the room, a couple tight ends (vet or rookies, Washington would fill one of those), a pass rusher (especially if Rashan Gary is not recovered from his ACL - Tuli would fit that need), a run stopping linebacker or defensive tackle, and a center as Josh Myers, 2nd round choice from 2021, has not played well and is responsible for a good part of our failures in the red zone and running plays up the middle.

I am hoping the Packers resign Randall Cobb (wide receiver), Mercedes Lewis (tight end) and Mason Crosby - our kicker.

The Packers - Brian Gutekunst, GM - let Alan Lazard (WR) sign with the Jets, and Robert Tonyan sign with the Bears, Jarran Reed (DT) sign with the Seahawks, and Kyrs Barnes (LB) sign with Arizona - this was cheap and stupid.

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haevs6's picture

April 22, 2023 at 11:21 pm

and we forgot to mention C Myers instead of All-Pro Creed Humphrey of KC which we could have had, but we missed that up and took Myers....Ugh

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PhantomII's picture

April 22, 2023 at 11:53 pm

RD 1# 15 RB Bijan / WR MSV
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RD 1 trade down: TE Washington / Mayer / Kincaid /
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RD 1 Bottom: TE LaPorta / WR Hyatt / WR Tillman /

RD 2 Top: WR Rice / WR Mingo / RB Gibbs

I'm good with any 2 of them to this point. It just depends on AR trade how this all is able to work out with xtra picks and Gutes ability to stay / Move down in RD 1 and ability to move up in RD 2. I would really like a tall WR to replace Lazard and a smaller WR with great speed or route tactician and a couple TE's of these. If we can get a couple of the WR's and TE's and icing on the cake RB Loves work shop will be full of tools to get off to a great start...much like AR had. 2023 season will be much better than most of us think.

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greengold's picture

April 23, 2023 at 06:06 am

Many build mocks based on known needs. What about the unknown?

Need at EDGE.
Need at Safety.
Need at TE.
Need at DL.

Might want to add “Need at OL.”

NYJ has no OL. How is nobody considering this? We are going to get a gigantic load of picks, but some of you haven’t studied what adding OL does to your mock drafts.

Myers. Gone.
Runyan. Gone.
Hanson. Gone.
Newman. Gone.
Bakhtiari. Gone. After June 1st in a separate trade.

I’m telling you, there’s a really good chance this plays out and we get the Jets entire draft for 2023. That’s great and all, but we will need to dedicate some of those picks to replenish/improve our own OL.

As fans of GBP & the draft, it wouldn’t hurt being ready for the possibility happening.

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Changes things a bit, don’t it? Where you take position group players matters.

I might start this draft out with OG O’Cyrus Torrence & OT Darnell Wright. Protect your QB. AND, those two are maulers. We have two great RBs in Jones & Dillon. Let’s use them.

An OL of Nijman, Jenkins, Tom, Torrence & Wright could do some things.

You think that sounds crazy? I’ll give you crazy: trading for Aaron Rodgers with the Jets 32nd ranked OL. They have no other avenues to better the talent there, and Rodgers won’t trust rookies.

Blockbuster.

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13TimeChamps's picture

April 23, 2023 at 10:44 am

"We are going to get a gigantic load of picks"
"I’m telling you, there’s a really good chance this plays out and we get the Jets entire draft for 2023."

I almost spit my coffee out when I read this. But keep 'em coming. This is great entertainment.

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PhantomII's picture

April 23, 2023 at 10:43 am

Right now Love needs offensive weapons. I would not be opposed to mauler OL players like Eagles have as I believe that has been the difference in our playoff losses to a great degree. However, I have seen a mocked trade of Gary coming off injury to the Chiefs which did start some wheels turning with us needing CAP relief and him and others needing contracts worked out or moved on like BAK. I'm not too crazy about 2-3 of our OL depth pieces and would feel better if they were upgraded. Change is constant and we are headed to a big one for the franchise. This draft is suppose to be subpar for OL depth in Round #1. We will all see how this plays out in less than a week. Either the trade is already done and there is a lid on it until the draft or someone will F-it up. That's where I'm at with it. If Jets haven't got it done day before the draft I would have already been checking if AR wanted to be a 49er....His childhood dream team.....GPG

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