Cory' Corner: Jeff Janis, please stand up

At first it started as a pestering joke that would never end. Everybody wanted Jeff Janis to play because he was the fastest Packers’ wideout and easily the most electric.

Play him.

Janis may be a sloppy route runner, he may have an icy relationship with quarterback Aaron Rodgers and he may have a hard time adjusting to the NFL in general. But after Thursday night, it’s time.

“Too many mental errors,” said coach Mike McCarthy following the embarrassing 17-13 loss to Chicago. “So we just got to keep working and we definitely need to get better as we go into Detroit.”

Play him.

The person that McCarthy was talking about was second-year receiver Davante Adams. The second round pick not only dropped a would-be 47-yard touchdown but also dropped the go-ahead touchdown on fourth-and-goal from the 8 with 29 seconds left. He was targeted 11 times, but only hauled in two passes for a pedestrian 14 yards. For the season, he’s been targeted 64 times, but has only made 32 catches.

This isn’t anything new this season. The Packers have had plenty of receiver issues this year. From a lack of separation, miscommunication and now the dropsies.

“It’s frustrating because we shouldn’t have some of those issues 11 games in,” said a discouraged Rodgers. “But we’re having those, short week. Now we have a normal week and then a break.”

Play him.

Ever since Jordy Nelson went down with an ACL tear in his right knee this past August, I thought the Packers would be OK. They haven’t been. They have nobody that can stretch the field and make the defense honest. And Randall Cobb, the one guy that could stretch the field, has been playing with a bad shoulder all year.

Play him.

Janis only has two catches for 79 yards this season — with both coming vs. San Diego. His most important reception was the 50-yard pass interference penalty that Janis drew on Minnesota cornerback Terence Newman on a pass that was underthrown.

Play him.

“We got to be better at the little things,” said Packers right guard T.J. Lang. “Finishing our blocks, catching the ball, finishing runs. We got to be better at the small things. We’re running out of time, because we only have five games left so it has to be a quick turnaround for us.”

The first six games seem like they were so long ago. Race out to a 6-0 record and have the NFC North clinched by Halloween. This is such a pronounced tailspin that even McCarthy doesn’t believe there’s anything of significance that’s wrong.

“There’s no big something’s broke here,” he said. “We got to do a better job on the little things.”

Play him.

The smallest move McCarthy can make right now is to play Janis and let Adams think about it as a reserve. Other players notice Adams blatantly hurting the team and soon you have an entire locker room of doubt running through your team.

Even if Rodgers doesn’t throw it to Janis, teams will have to respect it seeing as how Janis has the ability to run by everyone.

Janis isn’t a parlor trick or just some funny sound that sports talk radio has been having some fun with. With the offense being off the rails combined with Adams looking like he’s confused, the Packers need to bring in some energy to get some life back at 1265 Lombardi Ave.

Play him.

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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NashvilleCheesehead's picture

November 28, 2015 at 06:21 am

IMO the toxic impact of players like Adams has already infected the team. Something bigger than sitting Adams and starting Janis is wrong here. Much bigger!

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Horse's picture

November 28, 2015 at 06:53 am

Assuming for the sake of the argument that your take is accurate, that is 100% a coaching issue.

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NashvilleCheesehead's picture

November 28, 2015 at 08:26 pm

Bingo! Regime change for 2016. I have been a fan of MM in the past, but it is time for a reset.

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

November 28, 2015 at 06:57 am

Again, I say it's obvious that Olivia Munn is now dating Davante Adams. I also wonder if she may be spending some time wth James Jones and Nate Palmer.

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

November 29, 2015 at 06:27 am

What's with the lack of love with the dislikes? That post was really fine humor. I'll explain...

You see, I'm poking fun at the absurdity of the people saying AR's girlfriend is responsible for him playing at the lowest level in years. At the same time I'm calling out Adams (and a few others) for playing as if they have fem fatales too.

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dasnogs52's picture

November 29, 2015 at 08:14 pm

Some people obviously didn't see the sarcasm sign hahah

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

November 28, 2015 at 07:50 am

Double post again. What gives?

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Horse's picture

November 28, 2015 at 07:16 am

Whoever is calling plays and/or drafting the final game plan for facing teams playing man coverage, banking on players to execute plays that they usually can't has resulted in 4 losses. receivers who are discouraged and a QB who's losing his way.
Putting Janis on the field and throwing to him will stretch defenses, whether he catches anything or not.
Getting Ty Montgomery's physicality back could help a lot, too.
And both will help the run game.

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GRB1531's picture

November 28, 2015 at 09:07 am

Right on Horse

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ray nichkee's picture

November 28, 2015 at 11:50 am

I am sooooo sick of hearing stretch the field. The grass is and will always be 100 yards from goal line to goal line. Thank you horse for using the correct term. The field never changes but the defensive formations get farther from the line of scrimage with a deep threat. You are a smart man today, horse.

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Dan Stodola's picture

November 29, 2015 at 04:08 pm

Why is it asking to much to run good routes? That, more than anything is how you get open. Largent ran like molasses, but always got open. Adams is not running good routes at all. Janis's speed will help open the field too, but route running can create plenty of separation. Jones isn't getting open, Adams isnt, R. Rodgers can't, Janis doesn't know how.

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4thand1's picture

November 29, 2015 at 06:34 pm

DS, I find it hard to believe he can't get open or can't be as good or better than what we have now. He has speed, it's up to the coaching staff to utilize it.

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Ima fubar's picture

November 30, 2015 at 03:27 pm

During the draft I was listing to the analyst as we picked and the one gripe of many scouts pre-draft of Adams was, he played in a spread offense and ran mostly quick slants, so all his catches, and he had a lot of them, were like under ten yards and before anyone could contact him.
So you put this guy in our formations, expect routes to be run and him to battle for the ball, that is not in his repertoire and why a lot of teams said no thanks.
Hey Ted picked him so if Adams can't adjust that's not Adams fault, he is what he is, a one dimensional guy lacking quickness and speed.

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Gforcetrivers's picture

November 28, 2015 at 07:38 am

When Rogers does throw a ball that is catchable THEY have to catch it. PERIOD. Too many balls in the dirt, at their ankles on a Screen, three feet over, in front or behind them. I was at the game thursday and I should have saved my hard earned money. I really thought it was going to be a Game. THE BEARS?? REALLY??? UGH

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 28, 2015 at 08:58 am

If Janis has problems reading and reacting to defenses, simplify his routes to run. Or how about this. Have him run a reverse. If anyone has forgotten what a reverse is since Green Bay doesn't use them anymore, it's a play that is designed to get the ball to a fast player in some space.
What I don't get is they don't play Janis for whatever the reasons are. Yet they still continue to use Adams who is struggling so badly. Janis is proving on special teams he needs to be on the field more. It's time they start using him on offense.

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Nick Perry's picture

November 28, 2015 at 10:03 am

RC has been screaming for Janis for quite some time and so have I to a lessor degree. He's been told time and again "He's not ready", "Aaron doesn't trust him", or "Obviously he's not ready or he would be in, the coaches know more than you". All these were valid reasons to a point and we passed that point weeks ago.

Against SD he caught 2 balls, one long and one where Rodgers was in trouble, flicked the ball to Janis and he did the rest. Adams hasn't done anything since the game last year against Dallas. Whatever MM saw in TC is gone, he's the MVP for drops and that's it.

It's just like why do we continue to play Palmer? It's one of the great mysterys of the way this coaching staff operates. Ryan comes in and makes 10 tackles in relief against Carolina, 6 tackles, 4 asst. tackles then back to special teams and the bench watching Palmer F things up. The way Matthews looked at Palmer after the TD pass Thursday to the TE suggested Palmer should have done more than stand still, watch the TE run by him then catch the ball.

If nothing else Janis deserves to be in the lineup. Adams belongs on the bench. I'm tired of the "Excuses" because that's all they are, excuses.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

November 28, 2015 at 10:55 am

I understand not switching starters on a short week. If we see Palmer getting first reps again next week the last thread of respect it have for this coaching staff will snap.

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Hematite's picture

November 29, 2015 at 06:20 am

You hit the nail right on the head Nick!
It must be hard for Janis and Ryan to understand why they are riding the bench and two stumps are starting.
Someone please check the pulse of this coaching staff, I'm not sure they are still alive.

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Rambe Staccmn's picture

November 28, 2015 at 10:36 am

You're hired. Sure wish Beav McCarthy and co could read that.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 28, 2015 at 01:23 pm

That is and has been my biggest problem with this offense and the play calling. They show the same looks and don't do much different. They rarely put a player in motion. They rarely do anything that has a bite of trickery to it or deception. There is very little creativity to this offense. With the lack of talent right now that is what they need. They need to do more scheme wise to make up for the lack of talent. Until the coaches realize that, I don't expect to see much different.

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Tundraboy's picture

November 28, 2015 at 11:01 am

The reverse used to be a Packer staple a long time ago. I wish they would use it.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 28, 2015 at 01:15 pm

Nick, you and I have both been on the same page with this.
I wouldn't be screaming for Janis as much if the players ahead of him were night and day better.

The thing I don't get is how some players they can come up with special packages for and find ways to get them involved more. Why can't they do that with Janis?
Brian Carriveau said it best. Shouldn't Janis be allowed the opportunity to screw up. Every time he has been used he has made big plays.

I thought Palmer played well against Detroit and Minnesota. But he was terrible against Chicago. I think it's time coaches start having shorter leashes on players. If they are not performing yank them out and put in someone else.

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GRB1531's picture

November 28, 2015 at 09:05 am

It is also time to play Ryan at linebacker. He led the team at tackles three games ago after playing just more than one half of the game. What are they waiting for??

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lou's picture

November 28, 2015 at 09:13 am

If the problem is coaching it may be the internal structure of the offense. The team rightfully so has been grooming Bennett to be a head coaching prospect in the future, moved him from backfield, receiver, and now O-Coordinator. The net is you now have MccCarthy, Clements (promoted to Assoc. Head Coach Offense) and Bennett with their hands on the offense, You have to wonder if that is TOO many hands and where the give is. I don't know if another team has a mix like that. On Janis, the kid not only can fly but uses his size as effectively, he broke 5 tackles per McGinn on the kickoff vs the Bears, and completely sells out as a gunner on special teams. Travis Williams was the last kick returner with that size/speed combination. No matter what the issue to date holding him back from a shot as a receiver every down HE NEEDS TO GET THE CHANCE, the ineptness of Adams deserves a benching, how can the coaching staff look the others in the eye ?

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Pack66's picture

November 28, 2015 at 09:19 am

You know...it's funny. When Favre was playing, you people were saying that it didn't matter that he had crap receivers, no o-line, and no separation from the WRs, it was FAVRE's fault.....

hahahahahahah...

EAT IT, babies...No you got the wahmbulence out, defending Rodgers regarding the same things.....Couldn't happen to a bigger bunch of ungrateful assclowns....ha ha ha..

Hey, Favre was there the other day, by the way...

They should have PLAYED HIM, instead of Rodgers..

Ted Thompson isn't innocent in all this either. Wah wah wah..

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computer's picture

November 28, 2015 at 09:58 am

I don't know who you're talking about on either side of that debate. In fact, what are you talking about?

You might want to go outside and just take a nice walk or something.

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Oppy's picture

November 28, 2015 at 11:39 am

The butthurt is strong in this one

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mrtundra's picture

November 28, 2015 at 09:24 am

If McCarthy decides to stick with Adams, at least take away his gloves as he cannot catch anything with them on. The last pass he caught in the Bears game he was facing Rodgers and the ball still bobbled in his arms as he fell to the turf. If the problem coaches and ARod have with Janis is his route running, have him run fly patterns down the sideline. He can run past most defenders, so using him as a deep threat makes sense.

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Nick Perry's picture

November 28, 2015 at 09:47 am

Has anyone considered
This is what happens to a team Mentally when they were 5:07 away from a SB, had the ball, and were up by 12 only to blow it? Many wondered what that might do to the Packers emotionally and mentally heading into the season. They started 6-0 so nobody considered it was there BUT it was a weak 6-0 IMO. I know that sounds strange but WHO did they beat? The barely beat Chicago in week one. Week 2 against Seattle there was NO WAY Seattle was going to win that night, not this time. Besides Seattle as we know has it's own issues and didn't have Kam for the game. The other wins came against teams in no way can be considered "Powerhouses". This team has seemed to be missing something offensively (Other than Jordy) all year, they’re just off, and now they can’t even beat the Bears and Lions.

When you throw out the excuses, the finger pointing I believe Mike McCarthys message has grown really stale. The horrible coaching staff he’s assembled and kept is finally catching up with him and the refusal to sign a FA and the missed picks by Thompson has been more than Aaron Rodgers can cover up anymore. Rodgers deserves some blame too, but that WR Corps is playing horrible as is the O-Line. We had to take our only pass rusher and put him inside because TT still hasn’t addressed ILB since Bishop was hurt in 2012 just like he hasn’t addressed the TE postion. Thompson refuses to keep Vets like Charles Woodson around preferring to go with someone like a Goodson. This is why there’s no "Leadership" on this team, not really. Woodson is/was a great leader who’s never been replaced.

Janis should be on the field period end of story. The whole "Trust" issue Rodgers has should be tossed out because the other WR can't catch a football.

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Since'61's picture

November 28, 2015 at 09:55 am

Nick - I can't disagree that the Packers have a "Seattle" hangover because it may be true. But your case would be stronger if the problems were on the defense. But for this season the problems have been on our offense for most of the games. We went on the road and lost to Denver and Carolina and the offense and defense played poorly in both games. But at least that was on the road against 2 teams that were playing very well at the time. The losses to the Lions and Bears at home should have been won bot our offense beat themselves in both games. The defense played well enough to win and except for the Denver and Carolina games they have played well for most of the season. If there was a Seattle hangover these are professional players who are 11 games into the season. They should be beyond that by now. However, if you are right and they are not then we have a long difficult road before this team is right again. Thanks, Since '61

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Nick Perry's picture

November 28, 2015 at 10:20 am

Thanks for the input Since '61. I think that's what concerns me the most. We lost to the Bears who we've owed at home and to the Lions where it had been 24 years. To top it off, Matthew Stafford was like 0-22 when playing a team with a winning record on the road. We broke that streak for him too.

I'm grasping here but if it's a problem (The Hangover) maybe the only thing that will fix it is change. You saw those WR running routes, it's like they run at half speed. Alex Van Pelt is coaching the WR for the first time and the QB's. When I look at that coaching staff there's not one I'd miss except Joe Whitt and maybe Bennett. Bennett just might be in over his head like Clements. Do we have a coaching staff to bring them out of this funk? I guess we find out over the next 5 weeks.

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lou's picture

November 28, 2015 at 01:17 pm

No matter what the admin staff/team or fans question about Janis's ability, Nick Perry simply and accurately makes a common sense statement in regards to what should happen next;

Janis should be on the field period end of story. The whole "Trust" issue Rodgers has should be tossed out because the other WR can't catch a football.

No one needs to say anything else.

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Nick Perry's picture

November 29, 2015 at 07:44 am

Thank you Lou.

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Bear's picture

November 29, 2015 at 01:18 am

I'm tired of the trust issue bit! Brady over time has had a bunch of no name receivers and made them look good.. Doubt if he worries about trust issues he just throws them the ball. Rodgers acts like he needs you to be an all pro WR or he's not throwing in your direction. He doesn't make his WR better but Brady does. Just looks like Rodgers mind is elsewhere.

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Since'61's picture

November 28, 2015 at 09:43 am

In spite of everything this team is a missed FG and a free play TD whistled dead by the officials from being 9-2. The losses to the Lions and Bears are particularly frustrating because the Packers beat themselves and neither game should have come down to the final play. Our receivers especially Adams are hurting the team. Defenses are taking away Cobb to the extent they can and neither Adams or Jones are winning their one on one matchups. Even when Adams does get open he fails to make the play. It's time to start working Janis into the offense and give him an opportunity to make plays. As for A. Rodgers I watched the game again and his arm looks fine. His throw to Cobb in the 4th qtr on the free play that was whistled dead was an absolute laser beam that was perfectly accurate. That should have been a TD and it tells me that his arm and his accuracy is fine. He's also been doing a better job of getting the ball out rather than taking a sack. Then there is Eddie Lacy. He looks to be getting on another late season roll, so let him run. Against the Bears he carried 16 times for 101 yards which is a 6+ yards per carry average. If we give him the ball 5 -7 mores times that's an additional 30-40 yards and probably enough to win the game. On offense, our coaches are outsmarting themselves and our players are beating themselves. There's too much experience on the offensive side of this team for that to be happening. I agree that fundamentals and the "little things" need to be worked on, the question is why is that the case 11 games into the season? Go Pack! Thanks, Since '61

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Rambe Staccmn's picture

November 28, 2015 at 11:01 am

Spot on Since '61

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Packatron's picture

November 28, 2015 at 09:42 am

Ugh. Yet another article about Janis Christ needing to save the season.

Gonna need a hell of a lot more than a seventh round WR to save THIS season.

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Nick Perry's picture

November 28, 2015 at 10:24 am

Donal Driver was a 7th round pick, Willie Wood wasn't drafted. Janis might not "Save the Season", but one thing is sure, either is Adams!!

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D Ernesto's picture

November 28, 2015 at 12:19 pm

Adams is a high draft pick. Got to play him. Ted picked the guy so he must be right. Janis outplays him it embarrasses Ted and his picking.
Just like some of our backup D linemen get limited play even though they showed something in pre season, got to play the favorites.
Ditto Lacy versus Starks. Its Lacy again and Starks is on the bench. Got to play the picks.

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Nick Perry's picture

November 29, 2015 at 07:59 am

No offense Ernesto but that's just not how the NFL works. By that logic Sherrod would be our LT. Harrell, Worthy, Thornton, Bradford, or my favorite McMillian would be playing OR even on the team. Thompson seems to stick with his picks longer than others but that's because it's his only source of new talent. Well picks and UDFA. He doesn't trade, rarely uses Free Agency, so he almost HAS to give them a bit longer.

Besides, the fact that Ted drafted him suggests Thompson liked him. How many NFL Players can be had at the trade dealine for a 6th or 7th round pick? Thompson loves his picks, Period.

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4thand1's picture

November 28, 2015 at 09:05 pm

Brown in Pitt. was a 6th round pick.

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Howyadoin's picture

November 29, 2015 at 09:55 am

First step to solving this problem is, stop forcing the ball to Adams. Janis isn't the answer, but the question is definitely, why Adams...Anyone and everyone can see other open receivers, except Rodgers.

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November 28, 2015 at 09:45 am

Perhaps Rodgers should pull a Peyton Manning and say to Janis: "Come with me young man; we're going to run routes til you can catch these passes in your sleep."

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Howyadoin's picture

November 29, 2015 at 09:56 am

While he is at it, he should invite Adams.

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packersbrewers's picture

November 28, 2015 at 09:56 am

All we've heard is that Janis isn't ready. There are times you can see why he hasn't played. Personally I found the fanfare for the guy to be kind of bizarre.

I don't think he's the sole answer to the Packers woes BUT at this point it can't get much worse so why not try? He has had success as a KR on more than one occasion. He clearly can make things happen when he has the ball in his hands so find ways to get him the ball.

This is where the Packers need to junk their overly complex offensive system and design some plays to make the players they have be successful. They don't have a Odell Beckham Jr so stop trying to force receivers into roles they cannot fulfill. Instead work with what you got instead of what you wish they were.

Maybe Janis doesn't know the offense very well. Well give him something easy. Run a go route or line him up behind the line of scrimmage like they do with Cobb at times. Richard Rodgers is (supposedly) their best hands guy but runs with cement in his shoes and folds up like a cheap tent the second he sees someone within 5 yards. Ok well design some plays that send him like 10 yards down the field and throw it to him. Don't throw him the ball and expect him to run 10 yards for a first down or 2 yards and expect him to make guys miss. He won't. Think of him as a tree. Use Cobb and Jones in some crossing routes or as part of bunch formation sets since they cannot shake defenders but are the two receivers who probably know Rodgers the best. Use their ability to fight for extra yards and experience with Rodgers to your advantage. Sit Adams until he can get his head screw on straight. He needs to live with Rodgers and develop some kind of connection or he needs to keep the bench warm. He's a liability at this point not an asset or even a decoy like Calvin was for Detroit last week. Feed Ty some painkillers, wrap his ankle like it's a newborn baby, and get his @$$ back on the field. (Ok this last one may not be realistic but I feel like we are year in and year out a team that is not conditioned well and end up with all these reoccurring injuries. Could be perception but it's frustrating.)

I was never waving the "Yeah Jeff Janis" flag but at this point with our offense as bad as it is I'll wave that flag till my arm falls off. This team has to do something. Status quo is sending this team down the toilet.

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November 28, 2015 at 09:41 pm

¨Think of him [RR] as a tree.¨ After I stopped laughing, I laughed some more. So RR is sort of like an Ent from Tolkien (only not as fast)?

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November 28, 2015 at 10:38 am

I think some here believe that all the Janis hype is simply fans who are upset. Janis is not a super star in waiting. He would be on the field if that was the case. I don't think anyone here believes that Janis will fix all of problems on the offense... But we do believe he can help with them. Sure, it is obvious that he doesn't understand the complex route trees and all the other little things that going to be in Green Bay receiver, but he is fast. If he were to run a deep post or flag route, or even a deep crossing route on each play, well then, he is drawing the corner and possibly a safety off of Cobb and company. If he doesn't draw that double coverage he is then in single coverage blazing down the field. This is what the passing game needs. The running game seems to be coming along despite our coaches' best efforts to not use it, so now we need to work in the deep pass. I think Janis can fit into the current scheme. We know now that MM and his group will not alter the current offensive scheme. Simple deep routes are exactly what the pack needs. Janis can fill that role. I think AR would like to have a speedster down field as well.

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November 28, 2015 at 11:11 am

As happy as I am to see the growth in support for getting Janis much more play time, even if by default of the other WR's failings, I do not envision this happening as MM and likely Rodgers, both of whom I assume have game plan input would likely scratch any or most plays by Clements and Bennett that would include Janis that resembles significant snaps.

The fact that the WR corps is depleted not only via injury but utterly horrid play and still they refuse to insert Janis does nothing but attest, IMO, that a dislike looms of him, since play of this level of calamity would demand throwing the kitchen sink to get on track and yet Janis after two weeks in a row sparking the team with huge KO's is rewarded with a seat on the bench in favor of who Rodgers himself speaks as a second coming of_____, Adams plays while looking as though the coaches at practice are getting the jersey number wrong of who actually can't catch or run a route.

I don't expect Janis to get snaps in the range of 30+ as he should but remain closer to the insignificant total of 5-10 and Adams will continue his Cliford Franklin imitation (The Replacements) until MM finds a way to sneak in some 'stick-um'.

Whether its the General at war or the HC in football,those who want to win find ways to use all their weapons to an advantage, it looks as though this isn't happening in Green Bay and I certainly hope it isn't because of a personal dislike of one toward another but this cannot be as easily discarded as before.

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ray nichkee's picture

November 28, 2015 at 12:23 pm

Taryn, I commend you on your use of the space bar. I can let one slide in a long post such as yours. (can you find it?) Can you please start properly using periods now in place of commas where they need to be? It seems each paragraph is a long run on sentence. The period at the end of a sentence is a red light/green light to where your thoughts stop and start. A misspelled word or uncapped letter is easy to do an forgivable but laziness is not. At least you don't use text speak. That sucks more than cow does.

I love it when I hear stickum. It is a Wisconsin product.

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ray nichkee's picture

November 28, 2015 at 12:01 pm

You prefer to stay positive. Ha ha cowpie. The more you say the bigger Jack ass you become.

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D Ernesto's picture

November 28, 2015 at 12:15 pm

Ted would never draft a defensive end, they costs to much. Ya he drafted Perry and Fatone but that was the very end of the draft and 29 other teams passed on these bums for a reason, but if he had a 9 pick and a top notch one was available he passes. This is tight ass Ted were talking about.
More than likely he trades the pick for two 4's and a five. Nice cheap players readily available.

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murphy's picture

November 28, 2015 at 02:02 pm

Shea McClowney

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Howyadoin's picture

November 29, 2015 at 10:27 am

While I definitely question some of the front office's moves, and the coaching staff's decisions, you can't honestly believe that your proposed changes would bear fruit. Look at who is available. Now look again.

A new OC/play caller? When Philben left, folks were up in arms...it wasn't Philben that was good, it was/is MM. Like it or not.

Can the current playcaller? Absolutely in my opinion, bit Rodgers loves the guy.

Can Thompson? Never liked the man, but he is good at his job, who are you hoping for? Scheider? Look at the the Seahawks now. I am sure there are those fans calling for his head.

Fire Capers? Again I am with you, but..If I am not mistaken, the D , however bad, is the only bright spot at the moment.

This team though, frustrating, only has 4 losses. Sometimes good teams have bad seasons.

Right now we have 4 BAD games under our belt. This team is GOOD, and will rebound, have faith in the Packers as a whole.

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Oppy's picture

November 28, 2015 at 11:50 am

Anyone hear about Rodgers' players-only meeting, where apparently, the leading topic was something along the lines of young players spending more time playing video games than watching film and studying gameplan, defensive schemes, etc and so forth?

This is purely hypothetical, but what if Jeff Janis is one of the prime offenders? What if he's playing CoD or Madden 4-5 hours a day instead of practicing his routes or watching game tape?

Do you still reward him with play time?

Adams has been lousy, and it's personally very frustrating to me, I had (and still have) high hopes for him, but I am also a big proponent of benching players, if even only temporarily, for extremely poor play. Of course, the issue at WR is there's no depth left to draw from to replace Adams at this point, except Janis. I'm all for Janis getting a game playing in place of Adams for a week, but I could not endorse it if Adams is practicing and grinding during the week but Janis is flippant and not putting in the work.

Not saying that's the case, in fact, I wonder if Adams isn't one of the guilty on this whole thing, but just wondering how you guys would approach this scenario if we did indeed learn Janis doesn't put in the time M-Sa.

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November 28, 2015 at 12:06 pm

I have a weird feeling I may engage in some bestiality in week 17 when I let a cow suck my dick.

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November 28, 2015 at 01:42 pm

You have major issues.

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November 28, 2015 at 12:11 pm

If I had to guess, I think Janis either had a blow out with Rogers or an O coach a while back and secured a ticket on the bench. This is what his second year or third? To not be playing at this stage says a lot.

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November 28, 2015 at 09:51 pm

To actually deal with the substance of your post, Oppy, I would have to agree that rewarding a goof off with playing time would be difficult. Withholding playing time might make the prospect a better player long term. However, all things considered, these are professionals, and winning is the point of this business endeavor. Play the goof off.

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November 28, 2015 at 10:05 pm

Really, there is no evidence that Janis is not trying to learn or is not putting in the effort. From his scouting report: "Exceptional work ethic. Outstanding football character. Very passionate about the game.¨

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November 29, 2015 at 11:42 am

I'm not saying that there is reason to believe he isn't working hard.

However, Adams IS struggling mightily, and Janis ISN'T really getting any meaningful reps. They're both second year players.

I'm just tossing it out there- considering per reports Rodgers' is calling out team mates' work ethic, it is possible, and if he (or anyone else for that matter) WERE NOT putting in the time, can we justify playing them after a statement has been made, and if so, what message does it send?

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November 28, 2015 at 10:13 pm

Really, there is no evidence that Janis is not trying to learn or is not putting in the effort. From his scouting report: "Exceptional work ethic. Outstanding football character. Very passionate about the game.¨

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November 28, 2015 at 12:04 pm

Mental errors? Mental errors? Really. OF course that is Mike Mr Unreality.
It was poor execution because the players are not quality players. Can't expect all those 5,6,7 and un-drafted's to play at a high level when they never did in high school or college.
Not to mention Ted T must not consider injuries when drafting. My take all the injuries this team has is due to drafting injury prone guys from college.
We have guys missing five games with a hamstring? 6 games with an ankle injury?
No this team lacks skill players on both sides of the ball. Its call bad play not mental errors.

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November 28, 2015 at 12:17 pm

http://www.nfl.com/injuries

here's a snap shot of what kind of injures you can expect in professional football environment, to help you get acclimated to the physical nature of the sport.

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November 28, 2015 at 09:54 pm

Honest to god, this D Ernesto troll is a one trick pony. We get that you think TT is a tightwad. This is simply a stupid comment since the NFL is a capped league that requires teams to spend at least 90% of the cap.

Can you develop some new material?

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November 28, 2015 at 12:43 pm

It comes down to this: the coaches are being stubborn and need to start employing exclusively man beater pass routes until we scare people out of the man under 1 high box they've been using against us.. ARod needs to make quicker decisions. Adams needs to sit. Janis needs to play. Montgomery needs to get healthy. Ditto Abby. Randall needs to stop dropping the ball. And RRod needs to be benched for a fullback. Lacy needs to stop fumbling. They should have a 50/50 run/pass call selection EVERY week for the rest of the year.

This Packer team without Jordy can't score 40 a game. But the defense is good enough that they can win most games is they score 25. They should be able to do that on offense, which SHOULD get us past all the bad teams and Carolina. The only teams that look really good are AZ, CIN and NE. GB, even in it's current form, SHOULD be able to beat everyone else.

If they can't figure it out, they won't make the playoffs and Clements and his entire offensive staff get fired. MM takes back play calling. If they can figure it out, they'll win the division. Be the 3 seed. And have to play the Cards in AZ in the divisional round. Where they'll lose unless they play lights out. But salary cap-wise, team is built mediocre on D. It's built to play with a big lead. When the offense can't get that (and this one can't), the whole system doesn't allow this team to be a TRUE powerhouse.

It's going to be another year of "Please someone beat the Patriots"

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November 28, 2015 at 03:59 pm

Cow,

You are a chicken little. You always have been. You always will be. GBs Offensive talent is not poor across the board this year. It's above average and yet they've been underachieving. IF they can get back to above average, this is a very competitive team. If not, they'll continue to implode and coaches will get fired. The end.

This will be the one and only time I answer your nonsense the rest of the year.

I feel sorry for you if how you act on CHTV is how you look at the rest of your life.

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November 29, 2015 at 02:04 pm

You suuuure doo gotta puuurty mouth, cow

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November 28, 2015 at 12:48 pm

The list goes on Janis, Ripkowski, Ryan
All have had eye opening displays of talent only to then be ignored. I am sick of it. Just makes no sense even when we were playing better.

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November 29, 2015 at 11:52 am

TB, it's the one thing that NEVER changes in GB. Young guys make plays, only to see very limited snaps the next game.

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November 28, 2015 at 01:36 pm

Because Janis has such bad hips, he can't make very good cuts. Because of this, CB's can bail on the deep ball early, and if Janis does cut, they'll have time to react. If he doesn't, they have the deep ball covered. Teams will also be able to go one-on-one with Janis deep because he's not a particularly good player that adjusts well to the ball in the air, is strong, or has good hands. Janis has 2 catches all season with the opportunities he has gotten.

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computer's picture

November 28, 2015 at 02:22 pm

It's nice to read a substantial counter argument against Janis here—it's hard (but not impossible) for me to believe the team leadership is as dysfunctional as it's being described in this thread.

But he's had those two catches out of how many targets, and how many snaps? And don't forget his big PI draw, and his returns. Despite those physical flaws you describe, it appears that the guy can play. I'd really like to know if all that's a fluke.

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lou's picture

November 28, 2015 at 06:15 pm

5 Bears bounced off Janis "bad hips" as he just bounced to the side and continued to outrun everyone else. The fact is no one knows why he has not been given a chance and everyone based on the circumstances (almost no production from the rest of the WR's and absolutely none based on the high number of chances Adams has received) has created an opportunity to finally FIND OUT. He was 4th string on kick returns and when FORCED to be the guy he has been THEIR BEST IN YEARS. After a full game AT wr all the guessing can stop, either he does well or the PERCEIVED FLAWS surface.

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November 28, 2015 at 02:23 pm

Sit Adams.

A couple of things can happen here. we stay the course as is and work on the little things, or we make some significant changes. Fans clamor for the latter, of course. MM's strength and weakness is his stubbornness. But, to say there is nothing wrong here but the little things? Please.

For one thing, sit Adams. That will create space for other possibilities to develop.

RichRodgers has been underwhelming, but I think he can develop into an excellent possession receiver. In order to do that, needs more touches.

So, sit Adams.

Bring in Janis. Why not? Who's fault for the lack of trust, at this point? Just do it. Stiff hips. sloppy routes. Whatever. Isn't someone paid enough to work with him?

Sit Adams.

Perillo! Unleash the gnome! Seems every time he's been thrown to, he's grabbed it. That alone separates him from -

SIT ADAMS!

And, why is no one talking about Edgar Bennet? Because we love Edgar. Yes, I do to, but all of this stuff - I mean ALL of it - stops on the coaches desks. Clements, McCheese and Bennet. I'd love to see an in depth look into how lack of coordination on the offensive coaching staff might be implicated here.

Oh, and in the meantime, bench Adams.

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November 29, 2015 at 10:30 am

Excellent post!! I whole heatedly agree, but your forgot to mention they should bench Adams.

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November 28, 2015 at 03:28 pm

Trust issues my ass! How could Rodgers possibly trust any of the receivers right now? This bunch looks lost, so how the fuck would it matter if Janis made a mental mistake or 2? Why not target Janis at least 10 times? WTF if he catches 2 that's better production than what Adams had last game. LVT, I wasn't pleased with yer boy JJ last game either. I'm going to sneak into a press con and ask MM, why are you such a stubborn block head? You said you were giving up play calling to oversee the whole team. The offense is part of the team too, right?

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November 28, 2015 at 05:21 pm

Here's what I've noticed, personnel- wise, etc. where the Packers could make some changes and perhaps get some better results with these changes:
1.Stop working Rich Rodg out of the slot, stop putting him in when 4 WR sets are on the field. Solution: play more Perillo and Janis. Ty, Q and Abby will also be back soon, which should really help.
2. Use more formations with a blocker in front of Lacy, he gets better results with a lead blocker.
3. Run more formations with an in line blocker/ heavy sets to give Rodgers more time to throw.
4. Demetri Goodson should never see the field on D, ever.
5. Play more Jake Ryan. He should move up the depth chart over Joe Thomas and Nate Palmer.
6. Masthay has to go. Any option is probably better at this point.
7. D Adams has to see the field less. His production has been near comical. His drops are killing drives. He's got talent. Work him back in slowly.
8. The constant bombs thrown downfield on 3rd and short are not working. Lets use some plays to get the 1st down. High percentage- shorter routes.
9. Activate Hundley on game day and give Rodgers a shorter leash. Rodgers is costing us wins and playing terribly. Hundley may give us a better chance to win if Rodger continues under throwing wide open receivers, give Hundley a series and see what he can do. Can't be worse. Seems the offense goes 8+ drives w/o a score near every game. Give Hundley a chance on the 9th drive if they're down big and the situation warrants.
10. Van Pelt is QB and WR coach this year. Will there be any accountability in the regards to the product on the field?
11. We gotta get more WRs involved in the rotation. Q, Abby and Montgomery are coming back soon. Janis is pounding on the door. Perillo has been decent. We will soon have other options to play. What we have isn't working.

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November 29, 2015 at 09:06 am

1st of all there's not a chance in hell MM pulls AR out of a game. Put that thought to rest right now. A different QB isn't going to make this group of receivers better. Adams should be benched during a game with a major ass chewing at the time he fucks up. Players have to be held accountable. After Adams 1st drop, If that had been Brady throwing him the ball, he would have been in his face on the sidelines. That could have been a TD. Time AR to quit taking the blame and tell it like it is, our receivers suck. Someone has to light a fire under these slugs. We should use Jones like we used to use Sterling Sharpe, short quick passes and let him plow ahead for 5 to 7 yards, he's big and strong enough.

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pacman's picture

November 28, 2015 at 05:22 pm

Anybody remember Jeremy Ross?

Like everyone else on the board, I say play Janis only because Adams can't seem to catch much. But it seems that somehow MM tested out Ross a couple years ago - maybe due to pressure of 'doing something' and that was a disaster. So MAYBE the coaches know something?

BUUUUT - you still have to know when not to be stubborn just because it didn't work last time.

PLAY HIM!

How is it smart to bench Lacy after a fumble and not to bench Adams after that many drops? There are some head issues with the offense and that comes down to coaching.

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November 29, 2015 at 02:18 pm

There is a difference between benching a RB who drops the ball and benching a WR who drops the ball, and that's because it's two different things.

One is securing the catch, the other is ball security. It's the difference between a dead ball hitting the ground, or a live ball popping out and being up for grabs.

Regardless, yeah, Adams needs to see some benchtime.

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November 28, 2015 at 10:10 pm

Imagine if the Players and coaches read these posts? Well they don't so we are just wasting our time , nothing will change this season , I am looking forward to the draft already. Inside linebacker and tight end first and second picks. Imagine Rodgers having a pro bowl caliber tight end to throw to . One can only dream .

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November 29, 2015 at 11:56 am

That's it. I thought MM loved TE's? This team has none now.

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November 29, 2015 at 01:22 am

"Our passing game is not where it needs to be," McCarthy said. "I think any time you see basic plays — a slant route turns into an interception, like it did last night — the timing isn't as clean, which would lead to the details and the fundamentals.

"So much is made of scheme. Frankly, I think too much is made of scheme. At the end of the day, it's about running your routes, or defending the route, or blocking your guy, or getting off the block and eventually tackling the guy and getting the football."

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November 29, 2015 at 06:01 pm

Good post, as these quotes tell me that MM is not going to adjust. It is the crux of the disagreement. Well, I guess we will see how that works out for us all.

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November 29, 2015 at 07:23 pm

You want more?

Aaron Rodgers on #Packers' struggles over past month: "Coaches coach, and players play. We’ve got to play better as players."

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November 29, 2015 at 08:44 am

Devante Adams could have changed so many games. If he'd just catch the ball! He's had his Rock star treatment, and it's gone to his head. A "paper packer" that only shows up in practice. (Just to keep the coaches off his butt.) People look at the game film! Listen to the announcers if your that blind. Their laughing at how many balls have been thrown his way. The crying for a flag. The routes that have led to interceptions. The fact he can't get off blocks. Rodgers holding up his hands. He has not stepped up when the packers needed him to. He had his chance. Want to win, Don't throw to Adams!

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November 29, 2015 at 01:02 pm

Want to know why Janis can be part of the solution? Watch the god awful Redskins with desean Jackson. He take the top off of defenses. To make our offense work we need the safeties cleared out. Speedsters running simple routes do just that.

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November 29, 2015 at 04:08 pm

Just reviewed the last 2 play of packers offence from 8 YD line. On the incompletion to James Jones, Janis was open , 2 step infornt of deffender comming accros , around goal line, but idue to pressure Aaron could not wait for him because he barely had time to throw to Jones. On the 4th down throw Janis was standing again in front of defender , but Rodgers never looked his way. OF course this doenst mean that he is always open but on these 2 important plays he was.

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November 30, 2015 at 03:30 pm

Maybe its me, but I get the feeling, watching the player moves on this team, that the coaching staff favors the higher draft picks for playing time.
I mean ya if they are the best players, fine. If they aren't working out so good, there still is a hesitancy to put a later guy in.
Sitting Adams for Janis a what, un-drafted or late rounder? would suggest you screwed up drafting. Maybe that is the real hidden issue on this team.

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November 30, 2015 at 06:53 pm

I can't believe you made a comment that made sense.

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November 30, 2015 at 05:47 pm

Completely agree it is time to play Janis significantly more at wide receiver.

Time to find out what we have and and he has already made some big plays in limited opportunities.

I'm not expecting him to be anywhere close to Jordy Nelson level. Still, I think he could at least be part of the answer as to what ails the offense.

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