"But I think it's becoming clear that this coaching staff is not developing players OR making smart in-game decisions. That's a fundamental problem."

Does anything else even need to be said?

Matt LaFleur isn't a head coach. Hell, I don't think he's much of an OC either. He can adjust or even call a TO when he should, like on the defensive play above. Sure, Barry called it (UGH!!) but MLF let it continue even when he HAD to know it wouldn't stop Bambi.

Now we're in a place where the Packers have a TON of young talent. These players NEED to be coached up and put in a position to succeed. That isn't happening under LaFleur and what's worse is all this young talent they currently have won't ever amount to what they COULD HAVE been because they aren't getting the proper coaching.

What a mess... This is exactly the time I wish the Packers had an owner. Murphy has done many wonderful things for the Packers organization but I'll remember him for the "Silos" and fucking up my beloved Packers!

Al you wrote "The coaching staff - I see a lack of common sense from the offensive and defensive play callers." I believe what has happened is the coaching staff heard that this was not a common year for the Packers so they throw out everything common.

Another good article.

The worst of the matter is that the players and everyone else see this. In game adjustment and bad play calls/packages have been happening since MLF's first season in the playoffs. This was my biggest complaint about McCarthy. He, at least, had the team practiced and prepared well for at least the first 15 plays.

The coaches are evidently ignoring all of this for some reason and are going to lose more players that will want to be traded or won't re-sign.

Do they end up being even younger next season?

They even seem to have taken a step back on special teams. Kicking is ok but returns and coverage is looking at least unimproved, and if you aren't getting better, the other teams are.

The Packers coaching staff has become an exercise in football's version of the Peter Principle - promoting to someone's highest level of incompetency.

The head coach is an overpromoted OC. The DC is an overpromoted LB coach. The OC is an overpromoted OL coach. The OL coach? Don't even get me started on how Luke Butkus, an obvious Bears plant and sleeper agent, has turned what used to be a position group of strength into a shit show.

A young team needs nothing but sound coaching to develop. The Green Bay staff is proving week after week after week they are insufficient to the cause.

Mlf isn’t Lombardi.
But he was rated as one of the better
NFL Fundamentals coach," with Rodgers".
And thats the point. Rodgers “Bitched".
Yep- Public enemy #1. You got your Love.
And with it a terrible undermining staff.
That either left or have been promoted.
So good bye offense.
Hello to a defense with injuries.

This team is out of control.
Too much is going into Loves development.
So just forget the fundamental part.
The back-ups coming in, aren’t getting it.
The coaches don’t teach it.
And the unit as a whole can’t do it.
The lack of discipline is obvious.
From Love to the rest of the team.
MLF was forced into this. The only way out.
Fire everyone and start with the GM.

I was talking about “growing pains” with a buddy recently and his summation was, “yeah, but, you’d like to see some progress. It looks like they are regressing, not progressing.”

Dang it all, I had to agree.

Question: what are GB’s strengths on offense and defense?
On offense: pass pro, and anything that involves 33. But he’s missed ALMOST the whole season.

Defensively: Lately, they’ve held opponents to acceptable point totals, and I think I heard something about pretty good numbers on third downs.

Madness! Madness!! Madness!!! It's all that I can say about the Packers current situation.

I expected mistakes, inconsistencies and losses from a young team and a first year QB for this season and even into next season. But like everyone else I also expected this team to show that they were learning how to play and to improve over the course of the season. 2024 would be the season when the young players begin to learn how to win. There is a difference between learning how to play at the NFL level (adjusting to the speed of play in the NFL) and learning how to win in the NFL ( minimizing mistakes and improving techniques to win one on one battles). Neither of these are currently happening on the 2023 Packers.

The clip of the defensive play sequence provided in the article is yet another excellent example of coaching making it more difficult for their own team to succeed. It's third and one and Barry is taking two DLs off the field!!! WTF??? At the least you're giving up the first down and giving the Broncos a fresh set of downs by doing that. Why? At the worst you give up the TD which the Packers were saved from only because of a holding penalty on the Broncos.

The Packers have an HC in his 5th season who still has no sense of situational football and as a result his staff and his players fail time after time in situational football going back at least as far as the loss to Tampa in the NFCCG. MLF and his staff should be long past this even with a young team which, BTW, has plenty of experience on the defensive side of the ball.

As Andy said during the clip "that is the stuff that is so insanely hard to make sense of". My explanation is Madness because I'm not sure what else is left.

Al, great job as always. Thanks, Since '61

Between the article and the comments, I think a clear and accurate picture is being drawn. One of the primary roles of the head coach is to recruit the best coaches. I can't see where LaFleur has attracted many top notch coaches. And to restate Savage57's comment, when he got a decent guy he promoted him to a level of incompetence. Our O-line, TE and WRs are a mess. With the head coach playing "fancy play caller" who is minding the store?

I was hoping that this year would be a rebuild but competitive year. I am worried now that we will demoralize the players that we have and drop to a whole new level of "tear it down"

I am also concerned that our GM Gutekunst isn't up to the task. His preoccupation with RAS scores has the roster stuffed with flag football players. At this rate we will never be able to run the ball or stop the run. Can't build a house without a foundation - Brian.

Why is Deguara still on this team
The guy cannot do anything.
You cant tell me that Gutey cant go out and find a blocker for cheap who can do better.

Former Packer Mike Wahle has been saying this for some time now. The Packers are often losing individual matchups on the O and D lines purely on fundamentals and technique. Unfortunately this includes players like Jenkins and Clark, who have regressed for some reason. My theory is that almost zero time is spent on these types of things during practices with a big focus on schemes. Many coaches are not teachers and haven't gotten their bona fides from that skill set. The prevailing attitude seems to be that it is up to individual players to work on their fundamentals themselves. With the Packers there isn't enough veteran leadership to make that possible. Its not just a Packer problem as the level of play you see from most teams is shockingly bad for professionals.

Jersey Al, I believe you have said it all and only one more thing needs to be said.

Will Murphy have the will to make a change this late in his tenure as President? Or will he just let the whole mess slide until he retires and drops this coaching crap show onto his successor?

Sooner or later Al you'll have to come to terms with the fact that McCarthy is a better leader and football coach than MLF will ever be.

I can't help but comment on this whole situation.
There is no doubt in my mind that the whole staff needs to be re-worked or replaced. Fundamentals not just in completing a play, but getting in position to complete play. I wonder if anyone has researched how many runs have made big yards on cut backs? It seemed to me Sunday we were in position at the initial point of attack, but no fill in the cutback lanes. That's coaching, fundamentals and discipline. I give the players a pass on this as I really feel that they don't have any clue what the big picture is. I'm pretty sure they practice - run as hard as you can at the ball carrier, fall down, give up 12 yards or more.
I'm pretty sure our technique in the secondary is - stay as far away from all receivers as you can, let them catch the ball, let them get up to speed, try to tackle them, fall down, give up an extra 12 yards. ( just a note, Fall Down is a fundamental we use both on offense and defense- and we have mastered it!)
Then there is our LT. I'm not even going to say his name. I really don't think he even wants to play. I realize he may be confused on some plays-- if you don't know who to block- pick someone and knock the sh__ out of them. He really should be buying a ticket for all he stands around and watches. On one play he fired off the ball whiffed on everyone- exercised his fundamental fall down, and just laid on the ground face down till the play was over. Sorry, but if I was coaching that kid I'd be kicking his ass up and down the sideline after every series. I'm sure someone counseled him and didn't hurt his feelings. Probably complimented him on his fall down .
I'm not a fan of our QB. Even when he completes a pass, its just a little behind, or low or high. Causing our receivers to-- you guessed it- fall down.
There are so many things that need to improve. For the most part, I think the players are trying, and would love to improve. The teaching just isn't there. Speaking of teaching; now I have to spend my day trying to teach HS sophomores about Medieval times. Hope I don't fall down.

"Young players will make mistakes, but the youth excuse will only get you so far."
Watching Kurt Benkert on twitter yesterday he was showing how many mistakes the young players were making. And its not consistent mistakes. Its one thing then another, then another. The problem is we all want someone to blame for it. That is where we are as a society, we have to have someone to blame for everything that happens. Sometimes things just happen. Sometimes with young players they need to experience mistakes to learn from them. As a parent, as a coach, you can try to prepare them for every scenario, but in the real world things that you didn't know you had to prepare them for happens. So you have to teach them after they make the mistakes.

"How is this team still so bad at running screen passes?"
This has also bothered me. Are they tipping teams off in someway? Because somehow every team knows when they are running it? Is it how the OL is releasing? Is it the way Love drops back? I mean what is it?

"The coaching staff - I see a lack of common sense from the offensive and defensive play callers."
Watching Kurt Benkert, Mike Wahle and others the offensive play calling has been good. The scheme and play designs have been good. Its been the execution that has been bad and inconsistent.
On the bomb play, sure they wanted to take a shot. But don't they still run progressions? To me that is on Love for not taking a check down or going through his progressions. He needs to see the safety is out there and its not the time to push it deep. And that he has a wide open Dillon who can make up a lot of yards.

"And speaking of smart (or lack of smarts), we have Joe Barry."
I have brought up this play all week. What I like about Andy's video is that he shows what they had on the field the previous play. And how Denver subbed and what GB subbed to. It just makes things worse for Barry. I would have let Barry go by now. But I don't see how things like this keep adding up and how he still has a job. Its bad.

I guess all you can say is, 'what did you expect?'. This is the result of 'all in'. All in effectively ended that snowy night in Green Bay when Aaron Rodgers threw a pass to Adams in double coverage that was intercepted. Adams left, Rodgers left and the security blanket was gone. All in then, all out now.

I did a quick rundown of the remaining games and I now have them at 4-13.

Why has no one complained about Adam Stenavich? He was a pretty good o-line coach, but as an o-coordinator, he is lacking. The blame goes mostly to MLF from the fans, but Stenavich also should get the blame.
The problem is beginning to look like the 1970's when the team was effectively run by the Board of Directors who kept bungling everything. Now you have a leadership that is failing and there's no one to come forward and make an attempt to correct things as a single owner would. The board is going to ride or die with Murphy until his retirement in 2025. Rumor has it a Packers insider will get the job and keep everything going even if the team is tanking, very similar to the 1970's. The current management structure largely insulates everyone from accountability. Keep in mind MLF and Gute signed contract extensions.

The other problem is the talent level. Drafting high where the Packers have for years has allowed other teams to pass them. But Gute has bungled some drafting that would have made this team much better.
The Packers have few 5-star players and THAT is directly on the GM.

They can keep dreaming about building for 2024 and beyond but I now doubt it. Think the worst team in the league, yup, the number one draft pick worst, the Bears north. I've switched my stance from 'give them a chance' to this is 'The Last Dance'.

Wrap up when tackling. Don't run into the ball carrier, thinking that will knock him over. Wrap him up. Put in the proper defensive players to give the defense their best shot at stopping the opponent's offense.

You have listed all the reasons why its time to move on from this coaching staff. They are not good at what they do. LaFleur is being exposed as depending on a very savvy, veteran QB to help win games. Remove that crutch, and he falls down. And then can't get up, because he never expected to fall. Add that although it was obvious to everyone else that Barry was not good at what he did, he shocked the world and kept him on for another year. The OC, Stenavich, was an excellent OL coach, but got promoted. And he is currently the second worst OC in Packers history. The list goes on. The lack of adjustments, the inability to tackle, the trenches belonging to the opponent on a regular basis. And having a LBer cover a WR? The answer that LaFleur takes the blame. Fine. So also take the fall. Too many coaches have been promoted to spots above their level of competence. And the players know, and respond accordingly. With less enthusiasm and increasing fatalism. And so do the fans.

Wonder if Ml gave up game calling the plays, turned it over to the OC,and he move into the boxes where he could see game better and make calls. So far "in the cloud of dust" hasn't even happened with the Packers. This way as well ML can concentrate on the down to down play instead of having head in game sheet all game. Just a thought as if this could POSSIBLY make a difference?

Well, since the flower hires the coaches, he should get all of the blame for the poor performance of the team right now. He should hold his coaches accountable, and promised there would be changes, yet there are no changes. The blocking is poor, the tackling is poor, the play calling is poor, and I do not see things changing anytime soon. We just played the easiest part of the schedule, and looked terrible while doing it.

We were terrible last year as well yet the flower made no changes. He claimed he wanted "continuity" Continuity of what? Failure? What kind of reasoning is that? I really believe the flower has no idea on how to assess the ability of the players or coaches.

A bad team with bad coaching and players who make repeating mistakes and cannot develop properly

Sad dilemma when you must mold a first rate coaching staff out of a bunch of historically unsuccessful coaches before these morons can address coaching fundamentals to players. MLF and Barry need to have their security pass revoked immediately. Alfred E. Newman needs to be given a package to get him out of the President job at year end then return all football operational control to the GM.

After all the AR fallout settled, I mentioned that we would see if the original success and last year’s failure was a result of AR, DA play or the excellent MLF offensive schemes. This year would prove the capability of MLF coaching without an MVP. We are seeing the truth revealed. MLF is a fraud. He learned nothing while being mentored under the McVay/Shanahan offensive systems.

--Five pro bowlers hurt, and our most promising WR rarely on the field. How good do the Niners look without some of their better players. I guess that coaching staff should be fired.
-- Our O line is bad because of injuries to very good veterans which is hampering the rest. I've heard it many times from pro players that consistency of playing together is very vital to success. Good line play makes up for deficiencies in other areas. Now that is a fundamental truth to offense success
--We are one third into the season, were the youngest team before we lost some of our veterans to injury, so now its not even close. I still believe that we will get better. I'll be satisfied with a few wins towards the end of the season and then look forward to a resurgence next year.

I would like the chance to have a beer with Tom Clements and get his take on J Love.
Never hear Tom mentioned in any of the complaints/suggestions.

"They take two DL out (Wooden and Slaton) and replace them with a safety and linebacker. Result? Easy running TD for the Broncos, although the Packers catch a break as it was called back by a penalty. Take a watch as Andy explains this madness. Fundamentals."

It's a doomed season -- that's the reality. The Vikings will crush us on Sunday. Lions win the division. Best we can hope for is a Top 10 pick in the draft, but with so many .500 teams this season it will be difficult to break the Top 10.

HERO BALL on every play!

Nailed it.

All of these men, Gute, MLF, Murphy, etc. are wealthy (LF makes 5 mill/yr) and really set for life. They must hear the roar of disapproval from fans, pundits, commentators, etc. Is it hubris keeping them in place?
If he refuses to leave, MLF could easily send out feelers for an under-the-radar, smart, young offensive mind to bolster his wretched play-calling-same for Barry. UW Madison is nearby.

Matt seems intellectually incurious and unaware.