Bye Week Blues: Fun, Not Futile
In place of this week's Packers Periscope with no team to look into, I have some thought on this team and, in particular, its leader.
By Tony_Wilson
What is this? What am I watching? This Green Bay Packers team was supposed to be fun! Fast! Exciting! Instead, it's soft, sloppy and disorganized. There's no other way to put it.
If you're going to have the youngest team in football with a first-year starting quarterback, at the very least, your football team can play tenacious, well-organized football. But this team lacks, seemingly, any killer instinct and, more surprisingly, any sense of organization and cohesion. And it starts at the top.
I'm perplexed that what has helped make LaFleur teams so good is playing clean football is a thing of the past for the time being -- keeping the penalties low, avoiding get-back-on-track situations, quality offensive line play... You know, things that good football teams do.
And the Green Bay Packers aren't doing a single one of them. I'm not going to act like I'm privy to every conversation the offense is having. But what I'm seeing does not jibe to the way I'd expect those conversations to be going throughout the week going into the game. And while yes, it's clear Aaron Jones is sorely missed, some of Matt LaFleur's best game plans came in games where he was short-handed. Now, it's like he can only operate if Jones is in the lineup. It's about the players, not the plays - get the ball to your other fast guys, like, oh I dunno, Jayden Reed who was a total afterthought on Monday.
I've long criticized LaFleur for being a very good offensive coach, but not the leader I'd necessarily like to see. His Packer teams seem to lack the toughness, grit, intensity and overall killer instinct that is a strong suit of teams that have knocked out past Packers teams. San Francisco in the 2019 NFC Championship... Tampa Bay in the 2020 NFC Championship... SanFran again... The Lions twice at Lambeau in two years... you see what I'm getting at. While I'd like to see Packer teams win with a little more of that gritty play, it's not the only way to win games.
But the other side of that coin is that the Packers must play clean, scheme-effective football. And they haven't done that since the end of the 2021 season. While this team has a litany of problems, in my opinion the biggest is that their coach is not putting them in the best position to do so and not getting the most out of these young players. They can play - we've seen that. Their coach is doing them, and the Green Bay Packers as a whole, a gross disservice right now.
It's startling that this team has looked so incompetent, especially in the first half of games this year. This goes beyond slow starts. This is skipping out completely on an entire half of a game before the offense even shows it has a pulse. Again, it's a litany of things which adds to the challenge of fixing it. Why is it so hard for this team to do anything with the ball until the third quarter? Is it the play-calling? Execution? Defensive futility? The answer, unfortunately, is "Yes" to all of those. It's a comedy of errors top to bottom and doesn't seem like a series of issues that can be remedied over one bye week with winnable games on the other side of it.
I know I'm speaking a lot to LaFleur and his offense, but the defense giving up a 14-play, 8-minute-and-change touchdown drive is not ideal to helping the offense get its footing. Everyone knew the offense would struggle a bit, and not every game will generate a Quay Walker pick-six (remember how sick that was?). But it's clear that in addition to the offensive coaching failures, the defense has them as well.
I think many fans would agree with the sentiment that it was a mistake to bring back Joe Barry for another season (or to hire him in the first place, but I digress). But this goes back to the softness... the defense doesn't play with fire. They're passive and similarly disorganized. It's bad coaching. And it's bad coaching to not move on from a coach who isn't bringing out the best in such an important unit for this team. See: Preston Smith covering Davante Adams if you don't believe me, or Rudy Ford lining up in an and-goal situation in the end zone.
What I'm doing - and frankly, we should all do - is doing my very best to remain patient with this group. The level of play right now doesn't meet a single expectation anyone in the realm of the Packers would accept. And it's certainly not fun to watch. But the rise of the Green Bay Packers as we know them right now is coming with time. Time will create unveil mistakes to be remedied. Time will create the opportunities that Jordan Love and the rest of the offense will one day take advantage of. That underthrow on Monday to end the game will reverberate in Christian Watson's head until he gets a chance to do it again and fight for that football. Or Romeo Doubs to take the extra split second to haul that pass in and not let it slip through his fingers. Or Keisean Nixon to step up in the slant lane for a pick six instead of a drive-extending first down.
This season is not, and never should have been, about the record. This is the season to find out who can play, who needs to move on and go all gas no f*cking break in 2024. But at the very, very least, this team can play with a fire we haven't seen in a long time. They can limit mistakes and play clean football. They can line up correctly and execute a play with accuracy and speed. They can haul ass. And it's up to Matt LaFleur to put them in the best position to do that, and the players to maximize every single snap. It's time for this team to go back to being fun... not futile.
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Tony Wilson takes pride in journalism training from 2/3 of directional-Michigan MAC schools. A former Sporting News writer, Tony now focuses on the Packers from his home in Toledo, OH. His beer of choice is a Miller Lite from the bottom of the cooler. You can find him on Twitter @TonePackTone.
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Comments (61)
Tundraboy
October 12, 2023 at 06:35 pm
Wow, where does one begin. I'll just start with the first thing that pops in my mind. This team lacks a coach with a genuine intense will to win. And a strong personality that exudes confidence and motivates and inspires his colleagues by actions as well as words.
TarynsEyes
October 13, 2023 at 07:01 am
He does arm-flap well.
LeotisHarris
October 13, 2023 at 08:37 am
True. With enthusiasm *and* both arms. That skill cannot be taught. Pure instinct.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 13, 2023 at 10:56 am
I'm tempted to compare this to the dodo.
mnbadger
October 13, 2023 at 12:42 pm
you're being too generous. He even has the lost look on his face with flapping arms IMO.
GPG!
Tundraboy
October 13, 2023 at 05:20 pm
Great, now I can't get the image of Chilly Willy out of my mind!
Coldworld
October 12, 2023 at 07:13 pm
Yes, you are right that there are a number of compounding problems, but at the core is the culture, vision, tactics and personnel use of LaFleur and his hires.
It’s not just Barry. No positional group is standing out in a good way. Butkus and Stenovich actually have pipped Barry at this point to be the biggest problems in my mind, but it’s close in any given week.
The time has come to realize that we won’t move on without LaFleur. We are seeing why success was always likely to elude us during his term now we are without Rodgers, Adams and others from 2019-22.
We saw it in the futile offensive design last year, and in the survival and then retention of Barry, the difference is that Rodgers’ departure has removed the last and biggest smokescreen.
Bitternotsour
October 12, 2023 at 07:30 pm
Coach Dude-bro is exposed. That he won with McCarthy's team speaks more to how Aaron had sabotaged MM than to any particular quality that MLF brought to the team.
Leatherhead
October 12, 2023 at 07:43 pm
IMO, that's some pretty harsh rhetoric on a 2-3 team. You know what I think on this matter, so I won't beat that horse today.
I think the TEAM will improve, this year, and when it does, everybody's stats are going to look better and so is our record.. . You are talking about firing one of the highest winning percentage coaches in NFL history when he's 2-3.
We have too many negative plays on first down, and that leads to the 3rd and longs, and that lead to the 3 and outs. Too many possessions that accomplished nothing.
Which puts the defense on the field,where they give up points. Nonetheless, we could well be 3-3 after our next game.
TarynsEyes
October 13, 2023 at 07:11 am
I bet you're actually scared about this team against Denver.
Will this team get better sooner or is there worse yet to see, again the Denver game.
Coldworld
October 13, 2023 at 08:03 am
If Denver tests this offense it will indeed be time to worry. Denver are giving up an average of over 170 yards in the ground a game, almost 20 yards a game more than the next worst team And 30 more than us (27th worst).
Love shouldn’t have to do much more than hand off. If we can’t retain possession and move the chains easily against a team that has had to throw everything into run D and failed that badly then we probably should give up. Doing so has left a poor secondary utterly exposed to play action and big plays.
Their D isn’t toothless, they can run it (if they get a chance) and they can pass. The problem is that their D is so horrible their O isn’t out there and is always chasing. The key for opponents’ margin is how quickly their D regains possession.
If we can’t keep a clean pocket, run block and run on them and get through a game with a plan that doesn’t put it on Love’s back then yes, that will speak volumes. Pretty much any RB has succeeded. If our D lets them stay in the game then we really should stop kidding ourselves that it’s ok too.
coolhand
October 13, 2023 at 10:48 am
Denver ran on KC pretty well. But they kept failing on 3rd downs. I'm afraid OUR d will allow them to convert and it could be a long afternoon.
13TimeChamps
October 13, 2023 at 10:56 am
@Raiders and @Broncos were going to be the easiest back to back games on the schedule.
Two dysfunctional teams going nowhere this year. Even taking into consideration that this was going to be a year of growing pains, losing to both of these teams right after the embarrassing performance against Detroit at home might be too much for this young team to come back from.
I've never been part of the fire everybody crowd...that's what dysfunctional organizations do as soon as things start to go bad. Look no further than the team about 3 hours to the south as a prime example of that. How many coaches/GMs/FO personnel changes have they gone through in the last 10-15 years?
That being said, for the first time since his hire, I'm really starting to have doubts about whether LaFleur is the right guy for this job. Too many red flags like his coaching hires, his lack of offensive creativity, seeming lack of motivational skills keep cropping up over and over.
I hope I'm wrong, and there still is time to turn things around. But if they come out looking flat, disorganized and unmotivated against a really bad Denver team...well, I'll just leave it there for the time being.
Leatherhead
October 13, 2023 at 10:22 am
My wife scares me. Snakes, too. Crazy people with weapons.
Games....not so much. But after that Cleveland Steamer in Las Vegas, I don't have any expectations. I don't know who's going to show up, but I'm thinking it won't be the superduper offense I was envisioning during the exhibition season.
Have we reached bottom? Is this as bad as it's going to get? The nice thing about being on the bottom is that there's only one way to go. I think, that at some point this season, the offense will start clicking and we're going to be a lot more formidable.
We aren't staying on the field or scoring points, and with the people we have on the field, we should be doing better. That's 100% on the coaches at this point. The game plan, IMO, should have a total focus of keeping the offense on the field, because if they can just manage a few first downs, it'll give Doubs, Watson, etc. more opportunities to make plays, like we know they can.
These things that are putting us in 3rd and long....the penalties,incompletes, and sacks, are going to have to be addressed. Personally, I'd run Love more. He's a good runner, he's smart, he gets down. Run him enough that teams have to account for him. He's our leader....give him the rock and tell him to lead us to the endzone.
Bitternotsour
October 13, 2023 at 10:43 am
the offense has failed the defense, and that is a direct corollary to the play calling.
i know i have a preconditioned dislike of MLF, but he IS failing.
Leatherhead
October 13, 2023 at 11:05 am
Bitternotsour......it hurts the defense to put them on the field, since they give up more points on the field than they do on the sideline. Also, if you're down in the 3rd by more than 10 points, you're not going to put up big run numbers on the defense because you'll see teams throwing more. Under duress. That's how this team gets a win in Denver.
It has been my opinion since....forever.....that most plays will work if they are executed correctly. Look at that throwback we tried against Detroit....better throws would have been 7 points. So I'm not usually very critical of the play calling, but I'm just stunned by how often we throw long on 2nd down and end up in 3rd and long or 3rd and longer. That's the opposite of what the Packers need to do. Get first downs, stay on the field, give your playmakers more opportunities to make plays.
AZJACK
October 13, 2023 at 01:45 am
DaVante and Rodgers saw the future of this Marx Bros show.
stockholder
October 12, 2023 at 07:26 pm
You're both wrong.
What pops in my mind is Aaron Rodgers.
We have the same problems from last year.
We expected the ups and downs with Love.
But MLF didn't draft, sign, or let go vets.
MLf has dealt with more injuries-
then any coach in GB history.
But the obvious is go back through the
changes since Gutey became the GM.
Don't expect MLF to fix what Gutey couldn't.
BAMABADGER
October 12, 2023 at 08:15 pm
No, you are so wrong. Regardless of the talent, the job of a HC and his staff is to mold a team that has the will to compete, to instill on the field toughness, inspire, and teach/demand fundamentals. MLF has done none of this. Team toughness has incrementally decayed every year since he took over. MLF dealing with more injuries than any coach in GB history??? Time to drop the bull scheisse card. It is growing more apparent, MLF lived off your boy-toy AR's skill set at called the audible. MLF has assembled a coaching staff that like him has no idea how to teach fundamentals, make either game time adjustments or attempt to improve play by benching underperforming players.
stockholder
October 13, 2023 at 07:27 am
to instill on the field toughness, inspire, and teach/demand fundamentals.-
Don't confuse MLFs job to his assistant coaches job.
It's their job per teach/demand fundamentals.
It's his to see they do it.
Didn't Lovatt teach that ?-
And after Hanson last year-
Maybe it's his staff more than him.
Regardless- Love is a deer in headlights -5 ints last 2 games
If your correct- Love should be benched.
Coldworld
October 13, 2023 at 08:18 am
When coaches are failing as you describe it’s the responsibility of the Head Coach plain and simple, whether in football or any other walk of life. That’s the essence of leadership.
You have no clue what you are saying in order to perpetuate your fiction, Facts and logic and even basic coherence tortured and twisted into meaningless, even facially ridiculous rubbish such as your post above.
Lombardi would have thrown you out of the room lest he cracked a rib laughing at that.
"The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather is a lack or will."
"They call it coaching but it is teaching. You do not just tell them...you show them the reasons."
“The achievements of an organization are the results of the combined effort of each individual.”
In defending LaFleur you damn him.
stockholder
October 13, 2023 at 10:42 am
When coaches are failing as you describe -
Obviously I did have a clue in your nonsense.
You would be correct if MLF coaches fail.
As we saw with the replacement of the ST Coach.
The achievements of an organization-etc.
Thats the most dead nuts thing you've posted.
As far as condemning MLF-
The swinging door isn't coaches.
But the players that can't be coached up.
Or are just to injury prone;
to invest anymore money and time in.
But the roster isn't in MLF hands there.
Coldworld
October 13, 2023 at 10:58 am
You said LaFleur isn’t responsible for his coaches’ poor performance. Now you say the coaches aren’t the problem. You directly contradict yourself from one utterance to the next. It’s pointless to go beyond that.
The quotes are Lombardi’s. I don’t think he was nuts.
stockholder
October 13, 2023 at 11:35 am
No- I said don't confuse the two.
If a coach was bad, he replaced them.
If everything was up to MLF, he wouldn't
need coaches.
The Final discission in a game is his.
The problem you're having; is when a OC
gets overruled. And he calls the game.
The problem you're having; is he's retained Barry.
His staff was raided. And some left.
Leatherhead
October 13, 2023 at 10:52 am
""In defending LaFleur you damn him.""
Well. Then I guess nobody better defend him then, huh?
Coldworld
October 13, 2023 at 11:01 am
You can try logically if you like. That comment was simply pointing out the crazy premise he was using.
He accepted that the coaches are not performing but then asserted the Defence that LaFleur isn’t responsible for his coaches.
Any head coach bears responsibility for the coaching staff he assembles, good or bad.
Leatherhead
October 13, 2023 at 11:13 am
Well, I guess I didn't get that. It's a crazy premise. Of course the HC is responsible for his staff. He can give them whatever degree of autonomy he wants to, but he's still responsible for them. And every coach knows that if he doesn't do a good job he won't get offers to move up or even stick around for long.
Everybody likes a Johnsonville brat, but nobody really wants to see it get made, start to finish. That's what teaching, or coaching, involves from time to time.
Malland56
October 13, 2023 at 12:29 pm
The coaches have to do some serious ass chewing. And ML has to do some serious ass chewing on the coaches. And start to motivate these players. Plain and simple.
Tundraboy
October 13, 2023 at 09:42 pm
Well said. I laughed and thought of Lombardi as well. He would be besides himself not tolerating for a moment any lack of teaching nor absurd rationalizations of continuity over performance, that's for sure.
AZJACK
October 13, 2023 at 01:41 am
You are half right. Rodgers, like Brady, made his staff look better than they ever were. The trouble starts at the top. Mr. Mike Murphy who is more interested in real estate development (I wonder how much he grifts on that side of the business) than he is in football. He separated the GM, the Financial Clown and Head coach to all report to him. diminishing all their power.
Doing the exact opposite of Ron Wolf, whose (deserved) retirement started a continuing down slide that was only upheld by all star QB play. Wolf put football people in charge. Not real estate developers. GBPs are a diminishing team maybe they can should their name to the Three Amigos.
Just look at Dallas to see what we have lived with, McCarthy 1 Super Bowl appearance with Favre and Rodgers and a total failure in Dallas with Dak, Dic or Dork or what ever his name is?
White92
October 13, 2023 at 06:54 pm
Not sure you can call MM a "total failure" in Dallas
AZJACK
October 14, 2023 at 08:54 pm
Well here's some headlines:
Sport DFW
Mike McCarthy Has Doomed the Cowboys Offense
1 Day Ago
The Landry Hat
Cowboys may be forced into awkward ultimatum if offensive struggles persist
1 Day Ago
Blogging The Boys
Dallas Cowboys HC Mike McCarthy’s offense “playing to the defense” bad idea
2 days ago
Blogging The Boys
Dallas Cowboys fans vote no confidence for Mike McCarthy, Dak Prescott
1 day ago
And many more, Jerry brought him in to win the SB. He's on the hot seat and if things don't turn around he'll be gone. Maybe before years end. I division win no Conference Finals and 33-22 record is not what Jerry was looking for.
White92
October 15, 2023 at 09:11 pm
If you want to judge success by blog posts, that's fine. MLF is 36-19 over the same period with some ugly home playoff losses. Hardly much better than MM.
pantz_bURp
October 12, 2023 at 07:35 pm
Yes Tony, let's get back to FUNdamentals!
"LaFleur for being a very good offensive coach, but not the leader I'd necessarily like to see. His Packer teams seem to lack the toughness, grit, intensity and overall killer instinct that is a strong suit of teams that have knocked out past Packers teams" Agree
"This season is not, and never should have been, about the record. This is the season to find out who can play" Agree
The Bears still suck,
Pantz
AZJACK
October 13, 2023 at 01:50 am
LeFleur has the same deer in the headlights look as Love. Birds of a feather.
Coldworld
October 13, 2023 at 08:28 am
LaFleur is in is 5th year as a HC, isn’t about to be hit by NFL players or throwing a football in real time and has a week to think out his plans. Even if you are right, I know which one would be both more surprising and alarming.
coolhand
October 13, 2023 at 10:53 am
MLF assured us after the loss to Detroit that things would change. Did we see any real changes in the LV game? I thought they got worse, not better.
ricky
October 12, 2023 at 07:54 pm
Here we go for the umpteenth time. This coaching staff, from LaFleur on down, is not good. The team has a "promote from within" mentality that leads to inbreeding, where the worst traits become more apparent over time. The team needs to clean house, and spend some money to get top quality coaches, rather than constantly moving people to higher positions, and finding they can't do the job (see OC Stenavich, Adam; a great OL coach who was promoted beyond his talents or abilities. The results are obvious. And without Rodgers to cover up the weaknesses of the team, they're struggling mightily. Will LaFleur and his "brain trust" come up with answers? I doubt it. Everyone seems to be out of ideas, except to do the same things again and again, hoping for better results. Which is the path to madness.
Scott1369
October 13, 2023 at 07:17 am
Agree completely on Stenavich as O-line coach. He did a great job with the line and now I couldn't tell you what he's doing, but the line is a damned mess. Not ideal for a young QB.
Coldworld
October 13, 2023 at 08:31 am
Just looking at what has happened since the Switcheroo, It looks to me like Stenovich is a guy who is technically gifted but one who should not be making tactical and strategic decisions. Some folk are excellent at the details and teaching, but horrible at higher level thinking and strategic decisions. The two can be wholly different mindsets.
bjkdad44
October 12, 2023 at 08:42 pm
Excellent read on a poorly coached team… sadly the truth hurts!
DocHoliday
October 12, 2023 at 09:13 pm
Packers went all in form3 years. Credit card bill is being paid for choking on what should have been 2 rings.
Offense salary without Bahk (done for year again) and Jones (injured and sorely needed) is roughly $40 million. Highest paid offense is $180 million this year. We have college kids on offense competing against seasoned vets and it shows. Nearly every play one of them forgets their responsibility, drops a pass, runs a curl without coming back to the ball, runs a 60 degree slant when the throw is timed for a 45 degree slant, stupid penalties, etc.
There is plenty of blame to go around, but this is a year to relax and realize we are watching our Packer children learn and grow. Criticize them, but be there to pick them up and offer some positives. Praise them when they show responsibility and fix the things they are doing wrong.
Packerpasty
October 13, 2023 at 10:50 am
and they arent all going to suddenly "get it" and turn into good players..this team is heading for seasons of mediocrity I fear....first it was "give them half a season" then "give them a season" now its give them a few seasons...nope....
White92
October 13, 2023 at 07:04 pm
To me the "plenty of blame to go around" is missing the obvious. Gutekunt put them in this position. He pissed off the diva and the diva never got over it.The problem was the diva was the franchise.He did the one thing Thompson never did and that was put them in cap hell. Now he's forced to start rookies at many skilled positions and fans here actually thought they'd win 10 games. I'd back up the truck. Get rid of the GM and the coach.
CanPackFan
October 12, 2023 at 11:31 pm
Wow! A Packer media reporter who isn't soft on criticism of GB. Must be new?
This team BADLY needs a coaching purge. Someone above talks of the "inbreeding" of bad and dated coaching- welcome to GB. And it starts at the top. Emperor Murphy fiddles while GB burns. Horrid President. Lazy, meddling, outdated. Any other profit minded corporation would have fired him long ago.
Given the above, how can his staff get any better? Zero accountability. And it's the players who pay with their careers and fans with their support/dollars.
We can talk all we want about tactical changes. But the real reason why this team couldn't get over the top with a HOF QB was bad strategic management and poor coaching hires.
If we see don't see some pink slips handed out over the Bye, the same poor onfield product will frustrate fans. Laziness and a lack of accountability from the FO combined with a soft and confused coaching staff is an inexcusable way to lose. But have no fear. Is that Murphys' violin I hear?
NickPerry
October 13, 2023 at 06:36 am
"Horrid President. Lazy, meddling, outdated. Any other profit minded corporation would have fired him long ago."
I agree with half of what you said...
The Packers, under Murphy, have been PRINTING money. He's helped build "Titletown" to what it is and is the biggest one responsible for getting the NFL Draft to Green Bay. I just hope THAT goes well. But profit ISN'T the Packers problem.
But he IS meddling! The changes he's made and a look at what's happened in Green Bay since 2018 are evident to even the blindest of eyes. He's a PUTZ, I can't wait until he's gone.
stockholder
October 13, 2023 at 07:04 am
I just hope THAT goes well. =
- Judged on the olympics.
There won't be a profit.
And the cost to maintain
will only go up.
Coldworld
October 13, 2023 at 08:47 am
I have to say, you are right in that, just because I call you when you are eating your own tail in logic terms. I suppose o should explain why.
The test of any commercial real. Property development is what is its realizable value after 10 -15 years in light of net revenue after upkeep to date. The asset has most capital value when new. The infrastructure then irretrievably declines. The cost to maintain rises continually and revenue peaks in real terms somewhere between yeas 3-5 of completion.
Most projects assume increasing liabilities and declining revenue will be more than offset by increased land value over time. That is not so likely here. This is not premium business or residential real estate. This is land in a suburb of a small town. The land has more value to the current owner out of proximity. Its resale increase over inflation to others is marginal unless that owner is an increasingly powerful draw, which also drives revenue equally.
The message, if the Packers on field draw decreases so does both capital value and revenue. In contrast the liabilities to the Packers increase. If the Packers become the Bears, the Lions of three decades till recently or repeat the 80s. Titletown could easily become a millstone not a cause to celebrate.
Football drives everything in to do with it. This project is riddled with red flags, the only palliative for which is the national prominence of the Packers continuing to draw out of town interest and traffic at the rate they have been in recent years. If Murphy has harmed the football structure, and I believe that he has, it will have serious effects over time if not corrected.
pantz_bURp
October 13, 2023 at 03:04 pm
Thanks for the reminder Stock. I still smile that Hershell was a much better bobsledder for the USA in the Olympics than he was as RB for the Vikings.
USA! USA! USA!
Boneman
October 13, 2023 at 06:57 am
'This season is not, and never should have been, about the record'. Hooey! It is always about the record. I don't understand the thought process where people think you can 'lose pretty'. When you lose it is almost always ugly. Football is a gladiatorial sport where grown men physically impose their will over the opposition. If you gain experience while losing you gain experience in...losing.
Lombardi didn't tolerate losing and didn't take the 'long view'. One game, one play at a time. Building toward the future is the GM's responsibility not the coaches, players, journalists or fans.
Love what the Lions are doing with Cambell. He never accepted losing in any form, even while they were losing. His teams fight for everything for 60 minutes. Has a Packer team under mlf ever done that? Look at the Chiefs, same thing.
I don't think fans should give into the illusion that it is OK to lose because 'next year' will be better because that fairy tale just doesn't work.
Packerpasty
October 13, 2023 at 10:47 am
its always about the record, this is the NFL, a big business...a couple of years of losing and watch the profits go down in the Pro Shop and Titletown area...
White92
October 13, 2023 at 07:09 pm
Preach!
NJ-RICK
October 13, 2023 at 07:41 am
Time to clean house in the front office. It all starts and ends with them. This is the daycare they have created... Plus the team is in salary cap hell for two years. Packers are playing/heading towards a top five draft pick next year and I don't want this MGT staff making the selection. Clean house in Packer Land...
pantz_bURp
October 13, 2023 at 10:10 am
This is all playing out properly and tightly...cuz, the Packers are hosting the 2025 Draft!
Gotta give it to MM, he is an astute business mind.
Sorry, but I had a dream on continuous loop of Coach LaF double arm flapping and our past QB eye-rolling simultaneously..... I can't lie, it did add some levity to my other stressful dreams involving, Haley, Sophia and Farrah.
We will be fine. The Pack will rise like that fresh baked bread your momma use to make.
With admiration,
Burp
White92
October 13, 2023 at 07:11 pm
Glad to see fans pointing blame where it belongs
Packerpasty
October 13, 2023 at 10:45 am
I'm pretty sure its gonna be a few years till I get to attend another homecoming parade after a Super Bowl win...those days and teams made for fun days at Lambeau, it will be a while till those days return...this current crop of coaches and players aint it....
Malland56
October 13, 2023 at 12:30 pm
The coaches have to do some serious ass chewing. And ML has to do some serious ass chewing on the coaches. And start to motivate these players. Plain and simple.
pantz_bURp
October 13, 2023 at 02:04 pm
I am all for it Mallard. As long as there isn't so much ass chewing that we end up playing half-assed.
Game of Bones,
Big Dog Burp
jboss
October 13, 2023 at 09:41 pm
Youngest team in the league with the lowest paid offense. What more needs to be said? Entitled town fans need to get a grip on their expectations!
ImaPayne2
October 13, 2023 at 10:51 pm
My two cents which are worth a penny, Lefleur drolled to go to a team with a HOF Qb. He hid behind that QB for three years pretending to be a HC by understanding you let the HOF guy run the show and he will make you look good.
Now that he has to take over and do this on his own, he came up with a scheme that aint working and he doesnt have a clue how to fix it. Everyone in Milwaukee's second grade knows LeFleurs scheme is run run pass. Keep the O on the field and the defense off. Let Barry do his thing because you dont know any more then he does and its Gutts guy.
LeFluer is a pussy IMO because he knows who signs his pay checks and he aint going against that person and firing anyone who his boss hired.
TKWorldWide
October 14, 2023 at 07:47 am
What do you mean by “drolled to go to a team with a HOF QB”?