A Sit-Down with Packers Historian Cliff Christl
The long-time journalist talks Verne Lewellen, Brett Favre and more.
By Kevin Gibson

Cliff Christl is adamant that Verne Lewellen should be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
The Green Bay Packers’ official historian, and author of The Greatest Story in Sports and other books, points out that not only was Lewellen, who played halfback, a star on Curly Lambeau’s first three-peat Championship teams, based on subsequent research, he scored the most touchdowns of his era and amassed the second-most points.
In addition, he was one of the best punters of the time, in an age when punting was a far more important part of the game. Unfortunately, at the time he played, the NFL didn’t keep stats, which sort of hamstrung Lewellen’s bid for the Hall as time went by.
“He was an unquestioned star from 1926 to 1931,” Christl, sitting in a coffee shop in downtown Green Bay – located, appropriately, in the historic Bellin Building – told me last week. “Go back and read every game story (from his era) – it’s so obvious that Lewellen dominated just about every game he played.”
Christl, who grew up in Green Bay watching the Packers during the Lombardi era, added that he believes Lewellen was superior even to Packer legend Don Hutson, who is in the Hall of Fame.
“The Hall of Fame is so exaggerated,” he said. “It’s just a shame how little knowledge people have at the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and my impression is they don’t care.”
Brett Favre Memories
Christl said he has two early distinctive memories about Brett Favre. The first goes back to training camp in Favre’s first year in Green Bay.
“I was standing on the sidelines and he was spraying a fair amount of balls,” he said.
He then referenced a notoriously inaccurate former Chicago Bears quarterback: “I said, ‘Holy shit, did they trade for another Bobby Douglass?’ You couldn’t turn your head standing on the sidelines or you’d risk getting hit in the head.”
The second distinctive impression of the player who came to be known as “The Ol’ Gunslinger,” the historian recalls, is when Favre threw the game-winning touchdown to Kitrick Taylor to seal the momentous 24-23 comeback win over the Bengals in 1992: “I was close enough to see what kind of a zip there was on the ball, and how close those defenders were to being able to make a play. I watched and said, ‘They’ve found their guy.’”

Cliff Christl
Super Bowls and Quarterbacks
Christl (pictured above) believes that Favre and Aaron Rodgers are the two greatest Packers of all-time. The old question that is asked often is, with 30 years of Hall of Fame quarterback play in Green Bay, why are there only two Lombardi Trophies to show for it?
“Favre and Rodgers, neither one was surrounded by Hall of Fame talent,” he said.
He reasons that, when you hit on a quarterback, you get good suddenly – and then you spend the forthcoming seasons with low draft picks, making it extremely difficult to stock your team with high-caliber players.
“Wolf never had a high draft pick to give Favre the kind of supporting cast he needed,” Christl said. “The greatest team (Favre) ever played for was the Vikings.”
As an example of a notable lack of surrounding talent for Favre, Christl recalls attending the 2007 NFC Championship game at a frozen Lambeau Field – it was Favre’s final game as a Packer, and in overtime he threw a horrendous interception to seal the Packers’ playoff exit. The New York Giants won moments later on a field goal, 23-20.
“It was midway through the first quarter or so,” he said. “I could hear [the Giants defense] coming off the field, just screaming at top of (their) lungs, ‘They can’t fucking block us! They can’t fucking block us!’ I don’t blame that loss on Favre’s interception at the end. I blame that they got their butts beat at the line of scrimmage.”
The Losing
Life was not good for the Green Bay Packers in the 1970s and most of the 1980s.
When Bart Starr was hired as head coach in 1975, Christl, who began covering the team in 1974, said the first public intrasquad scrimmage was nearly unwatchable, with something in the neighborhood of 25 penalties. And as for the John Hadl trade in ’74, he called it “crippling” – not that he believed Starr was a good coach or a good general manager.
“Bart had no experience as a coach,” he said. “He wasn’t a good coach and was a terrible general manager.”
As revered as Starr rightfully is for his playing days, especially in the playoffs, he made some head-scratching decisions as a GM, such as passing on Joe Montana in the 1979 NFL Draft … for three rounds. He also drafted quarterback Rich Campbell in 1981 in the first round – Hall of Famer Ronnie Lott went two picks later.
“He would listen to his assistant coaches rather than the personnel people,” Christl said. “His personnel guy begged him to draft Ronnie Lott.”
Christl also shared the story of a local bar owner who was known for selling game tickets across his bar. Unfortunately, during the 1970s, the tickets were not, shall we say, in huge demand.
Cliff said one day a patron walked into the bar with a handful of tickets he was trying to get rid of, but couldn’t. He asked the bar owner, a man named Boots Baker, what he should do with them.
Baker’s response was, “Do you have a fireplace?”
“Sometimes,” Christl said, “you get better stories from a losing team, especially a bad losing team, than you do from a winner.”
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Kevin Gibson is a professional writer and author based in Louisville, Ky. He's also a former sports writer who covered high school, college and professional sports, a Packers shareholder and a fan since 1975. Even John Hadl couldn't break him. Follow him on Twitter: @kgramone
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Comments (12)
Ferrari-Driver
August 29, 2025 at 04:06 pm
QUOTE: "Christl, who grew up in Green Bay watching the Packers during the Lombardi era, added that he believes Lewellen was superior even to Packer legend Don Hutson, who is in the Hall of Fame."
I'm a lifelong Packers fan and I am older than Christl. That is a mighty bold statement he made in regards to Lewellen vs Hutson. Don Hutson dominated his position as dramatically as any I recall in NFL history. I still marvel over Huston when I watch some of the old tape on him and review his records. I did meet Don Hutson after his playing days and he just came across as a man who would excel at everything he tried, including golf when I met him playing the game.
Vern Lewellen is before my time and I will agree he was an exceptional punter with these statistics: "...pre-statistical era with 681 punts for a 39.5-yard average." and he was a very good running back at 6'1" and 182 pounds.
Huston had size, speed, route running unmatched in those years, and absolutely dominated as a wide receiver. I believe he could play in the modern era and play well which would be a rare thing for many of these old generation NFL players.
Leatherhead
August 29, 2025 at 05:53 pm
I've never bought Christl's narrative that Rodgers and Favre didn't have players around them. Donald Driver and Ahman Green? think the #1 reason we didn't win more Super Bowls under Favre is because he simply turned the ball over too much in the clutch. Lots of bad moments in playoff games.
Similarly, Rodgers couldn't seem get it done either, even with Davante Adams and Aaron Jones.
I hate it when people smear crap on other Packers so that Rodgers, or Favre, smells better.
LeotisHarris
August 29, 2025 at 07:09 pm
The way I read Christl, LH, is Favre and Rodgers didn't have the number of HOF-caliber players around them that Starr did. I don't see that as smearing crap on anyone, it's just a fact.
Leatherhead
August 30, 2025 at 06:39 am
Those guys are in the HOF because they won playoff games. Had Favre or Rodgers played a little better in the playoffs, I would argue more of their supporting cast would merit consideration for the HOF.
Sharpe and Butler are already in. Ahman Green is our all time leading rusher, DonaldDriver is our all time leading receiver. Jordy Nelson was exceptionally good and some playoff wins certainly wouldn't have hurt his chances.
On the merits, some of the Lombardi Packers wouldn't have made the Hall without all those playoff wins.
dblbogey
August 30, 2025 at 01:22 am
Always hear the complaints the Packers didn't give Favre or Rodgers enough weapons. No first round wide receivers!!! So all Favre had was Robert Brooks, Sterling Sharpe, Antonio Freeman and Donald Driver. And all Rodgers had was Davante Adams, Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Greg Jennings and Driver. Rodgers also had Ahman Green, Eddie Lacy, James Starks and Aaron Jones. Favre had Ahman Green, Dorsey Levens and Edgar Bennett. they also had above average offensive lines most of those many years.
barutanseijin
August 30, 2025 at 08:41 am
Fans are loathe to admit their beloved QBs have any flaws. I remember people here explaining away Favre’s interceptions. Once he was gone, he became the devil incarnate and Rodgers was the new idol, perfect in all respects. Packer playoff losses were always someone else’s fault — Capers, McCarthy, Bostick, Lafleur, Barry, etc., etc. — even when Rodgers stunk.
In the end , fans are fanatics, and inherently irrational.
Qoojo
August 30, 2025 at 10:42 am
He is quoted in this article as saying the best team favre ever played for was the vikings. None of it was favre's fault. Hey cliff, how did his so called best team's playoff season end in the championship game? Answer: just like the packers seasons.
Losing the turnover is the most important factor of a game, after points of course. It's almost unheard of to win with -2 turnovers.
Starrbrite
August 30, 2025 at 05:32 pm
That’s why it was absurd Brady beat after throwing 3 INTs—should have been had fumble fingers Redmond (I think?) dropped an easy one in his hands.
Starrbrite
August 30, 2025 at 05:28 pm
I’m in complete agreement with LH. They had enough good players to get it done. Gunslingers are fun to watch until…
LeotisHarris
August 29, 2025 at 07:19 pm
Hey, Kevin, best not let the folks at 1265 know you had coffee with Cliff Christl in the Bellin Building for the price of a couple of cups of coffee. How in the world did the Marketing folks miss that opportunity to monetize a "fan experience?" Coffee with Cliff - $125 (includes commemorative mug and window cling.)
Nice work. I enjoyed reading this piece.
LambeauPlain
August 29, 2025 at 08:26 pm
I was at that Bengals game when Favre zipped that winning pass to Kitrick Taylor to win the game to start the way to the HOF.
Favre had plenty of talent. He had the #1 Defense in the NFL and enough offense to go 13-3 and back to back Super Bowls with one Lombardi. Rogers too. He had even more talent on Offense. After the Lombardi the following year they went 15-1 but the defense was leaky and the dang Giants knocked them out again.
They are both legendary and I am fortunate to have seen them play almost all their games. But Hutson's dominance was far superior.
RedRight49
September 03, 2025 at 10:08 am
Cliff is an outstanding Green Bay Packers historian and writer.
His GBP history articles are always well written, well illustrated and very well researched.
He supports his positions by citing factual, statistical documentation and / or interviews with the parties involved.
Cliff keeps the rich history eras as well as the dark history eras of the Packers alive and available for all sincere Pack-Fans to enjoy!
Thank you Cliff for preserving so much of the Packer's history !!