11 Takeaways from Green Bay Packers Mini-Camp
Green Bay Packers' mini-camp is now complete. Here are 11 takeaways from what we saw and heard over the last three days.
By Paul_Bretl
The Green Bay Packers’ three-day mandatory mini-camp has come to a close, and while voluntary OTAs will continue through June 17th, Thursday was the last time that the entire team — well, almost the entire team — will be together until training camp takes place at the end of July.
Now, I’ll be the first to admit, we can’t really glean a whole lot from what took place on the field this past week. It’s early June, it was only three practices, and it took place in shorts. However, that doesn’t mean there weren’t any takeaways or things to keep our eyes on moving forward.
For me, there were 11 takeaways that I would consider noteworthy from these past few days—and yes, I’m sure there are others but it’s not easy keeping track of everything when you’re not there.
Expect ups and downs with Jordan Love
This should go without saying, but I feel the need to say it anyway. On Tuesday, Love’s accuracy was all over the place and the team barely made it to midfield during the two minute drill. The next day, tight ends coach Justin Outten was jokingly fanning Love because he couldn’t miss, and was pushing the ball downfield after relying heavily on check-downs in previous practices. Then on Thursday, he was somewhere in between those first two days.
This should all be expected. We knew coming out of Utah State that Love needed to develop and that’s what is taking place, especially after a 2020 season with limited offseason practice time, no preseason games, and as QB3, very limited practice reps in season.
These ups and downs are all apart of the learning process and there will be plenty more to come—and that is okay.
Royce Newman getting plenty of chances with starters
After these three days, it’s quite clear that the Green Bay Packers coaching staff thinks very highly of rookie offensive linemen Royce Newman. During his time at Ole Miss, Newman played every offensive line position except center and spent a majority of his time at left guard and right tackle—displaying that versatility that we know the Packers covet.
On Tuesday he was oftentimes the right guard in 11-on-11 drills. On Wednesday, he was at right tackle, and then on Thursday he took snaps with the 1s at left guard. There is at least one spot up for grabs along the offensive line and possibly two depending on when David Bakhtiari is back, so keep your eyes on Newman moving forward, it’s obvious that the coaches like what they are seeing.
OL Competition will be the best battle this summer
We can basically sharpie in David Bakhtiari — whenever he returns — Elgton Jenkins and Billy Turner as starters. I won’t quite sharpie Josh Myers into a starting spot yet but I will pencil him in. That leaves one spot up for grabs — and like I said, possibly two depending when Bak is back — for several players.
Competing for that spot will be the aforementioned Newman, who is getting plenty of reps with the 1s. Lucas Patrick, the most experienced of the bunch, and Jon Runyan, who flashed in his limited playing time as a rookie. A surprise on this list is Ben Braden, who offensive line coach Adam Stenavich said should be competing for a starting spot this summer. There are others but these are the players who I view as the real contenders.
Davante Adams will be at training camp
No, this has nothing to do with Aaron Rodgers, but rather the fact that Adams is in the final year of his deal. According to Spotrac, by average annual value, Adams is the 18th highest-paid receiver in football—considerably underpaid given his production. So wondering whether he would be in attendance at training camp or possibly holding out was a valid question. But if there was any doubt, Adams put that to rest:
“Yeah, I’ll be here. I’ll be here. I signed up to go to work and play,” Adams said Tuesday via Packers Wire. “I’m from East Palo Alto, California. I grew up with zero dollars. I’m not forfeiting any of my money that I’ve earned and signed for already. I’ll be there for sure.”
Aaron Rodgers’ Absence
It’s certainly notable that Rodgers was not present at mandatory mini-camp, but also not surprising. If he was willing to miss out on a $500,000 workout bonus by skipping OTAs, I doubt he cares about a $93,085 fine for missing mini-camp—and that’s if the Packers even make him pay it.
The real litmus test for how the Rodgers-Packers relationship is holding up will be training camp. It’s written in the CBA that a player is to be fined $50,000 per day missed, and unlike in the past, the team can’t refund any of that money if things become resolved.
If, at that point, the saga does drag out into August, then things may be irreconcilable. But we aren’t at that point yet. There’s still quite a bit of time between now and the beginning of camp. We will just continue to wait.
Keep your eyes on Juwann Winfree
One name that reporters kept mentioning all three days was that of wide receiver Juwann Winfree. Winfree was a sixth-round pick by Denver in 2019 out of Colorado, where he tallied 649 receiving yards at 13.6 yards per catch and four touchdowns in 15 games. He was signed to the Green Bay practice squad in 2020 and has 14 career offensive snaps with no targets.
When it comes to the receiver position, we know Adams, Allen Lazard, Marquez Valdez-Scantling, and Amari Rodgers are on the roster but at least one and likely two spots are up for grabs. I certainly wouldn't call Devin Funchess or Equanimeous St. Brown roster locks, they need to perform this summer, and players like Malik Taylor and Reggie Begelton are in the same boat. Winfree will not only have to continue showing his value of offense but also special teams.
When Gutey says something, we should listen
After the draft, Brian Gutekunst told us that they would look to address the quarterback position. Green Bay then signed three quarterbacks. He also said that they would look at veteran linebackers. The Packers just signed De’Vondre Campbell.
Going back even further before the 2020 draft, Gutey said that drafting a quarterback is always on the table. He then drafted Jordan Love a few months later. When Gutekunst first became GM, he said the team would be in every conversation. They would then go on a spending spree in free agency the following year.
When Gutey speaks, we all need to listen closely.
AJ Dillon and the wheel route
AJ Dillon saw minimal playing time as a rookie and was hardly utilized in the passing game. But there were a few occasions where he was sent downfield as a receiving target on a wheel route; however, nothing ever came from it and he was never targeted.
Well at practice on Wednesday when Love was dealing, one of his big completions was to Dillon on a wheel route for 30 yards. As the season unfolds, keep your eyes on this as I’m sure it will catch defenses by surprise.
No timetable for Bakhtiari’s return
I will say that I’ve been of the mindset that Bakhtiari is going to miss at least some time this season as he still recovers from an ACL injury. For one, being ready for Week 1 would be on the quicker side when it comes to the recovery timeline, and two, the Packers medical staff is historically conservative.
However, after seeing clips of Bak working out on his own at OTAs, I’m much more open to the idea of him being ready for the Saints game. It was pretty impressive and Matt LaFleur did say that he was “a little bit ahead of schedule.” But when Bak spoke to reporters this week, he said that there still is no timetable for his return—which is an expected answer:
“I’m not going to put any timetable” on it, he said via Sports Illustrated. “For me, I’m going to stack my days, have that turn to weeks, weeks to months, months to years. I have no idea. This is my first time going through this, so I’m just going to attack every day, try to hit every benchmark I can. Once Doc can check me off, I can check myself and I can go out there and not only perform and protect myself but perform at the level that the Packers need me to, I think that’s where you’ll see me return, on that date.”
Star CB role an open competition
We didn’t really hear much about the nickel cornerback position and the battle that is taking place during these practices, but it’s still intriguing nonetheless. Last week Jerry Gray mentioned that they are looking at four or five players to fill that role and will try to whittle it down to one or two by the regular season.
In a recent CheeseheadTV article, I took a look at the ‘star’ cornerback position, how Joe Barry views it, and who might be competing for playing time there. Click here to check it out.
Devin Funchess certainly looks the part
Listed at 6’4” - 225 pounds, we know Devin Funchess is a big receiver, but seeing him in those video clips from practice really let’s us see just how massive he is—and LaFleur felt similarly:
“Well, he sure looks the part, there’s no doubt about that,” LaFleur said after Tuesday’s practice via Packers Wire. “You’re talking about a big, strong, long, physical guy that can run and sink his hips. I know he has a lot to learn, but we’re excited about having him on this team and letting him go compete, and we’ll see what he can do.”
Funchess has the ability to line up both out wide and in the slot and with that size he could be a favorite target on third downs and in the red zone. However, he hasn’t played in a regular-season game since 2019 and we have to see how quickly he shakes off the rust and adjusts to the new offense.
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Comments (86)
Savage57
June 11, 2021 at 06:42 am
The Packers have a lot of bodies and a lot of competition at WR and OL, as they usually do, and that's a good problem to have.
Criticism of Gute for doing his job, and doing it well, is undeserved. You don't get to back to back NFCCG's without a solid roster top to bottom, assumptions all that's needed is a stud QB notwithstanding.
I like big WR's. Thinking about a corps with DA, AL, MVS, ESB or DF, and AmRo, portends a lot of YAC. The 6'4", 220 lb. guys are like having speedy, nimble TE's out in the open field. And they're almost always better blockers than Smurfs, too.
Love's really no more than a rookie, given the weirdness of the '20 season. If he can work through mechanical issues, much like Rodgers had to with that janky ball position he came into the league with, it's going to be fun to see him run the gauntlet of camp and preseason. It'll give the Packers a clearer picture of who they might have on their hands.
greengold
June 11, 2021 at 07:32 am
Yeah, Savage, I believe we are fortunate to have Gutekunst as our GM. He’s a tireless evaluator of talent, and looks to have a great eye. Sould be able to know more this season in that regard.
He’s not afraid to follow his best judgement, and to use every single avenue at his disposal to better his team.
I see him at the cutting edge of his craft, for lack of a better term. I wonder if he isn’t looking at his roster, looking at his upcoming signings that he feels are top priorities in Davante & Jaire, and devising a kind of new system of talent use/replenishment? Maybe developing a new strategy for who they are willing to spend money on, and for how long?
We’ve seen how successes can come with various pitfalls in retaining top talents while staying competitive. We’re living it now. Seems this year’s roster moves could get really interesting.
It’s a delicate dance keeping a top team competitive, yet requires sure footedness, proper planning to be right with your moves, and confidence in execution. Look at Bill Belichick. One of the all-time best. Toes get stepped on no matter what.
The very best of the best have their missteps. They are right way more often than others.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
June 11, 2021 at 07:26 am
Amen GG!
murf7777
June 11, 2021 at 07:57 am
GG, I too think Gutey is doing a very good job. Results prove that.
I would say Belichick, was average at drafting talent, very good at addressing team needs thru the FA and managing salary cap and the very best at game management.
Coldworld
June 11, 2021 at 09:25 am
He knew how to get real production from role player level players and who of that type fitted his needs. He also took miscreants and often got them to play. Not my favorite guy, but he knew how to get more from players.
Coach Cleve Steamer
June 11, 2021 at 11:09 am
Belichick was not so good at spying. Another bucket headed know it all.
scullyitsme
June 11, 2021 at 09:04 am
Bromance?
Packerpasty
June 11, 2021 at 10:53 am
I think it is Gutey who wrote it...Gutey the God..
Coach Cleve Steamer
June 11, 2021 at 11:11 am
Love your writing! Don’t really read it, but I still think it’s good and all flowery and cute.
HankScorpio
June 11, 2021 at 07:04 am
After the 2019 season ending loss to SF, Gute said it was obvious they needed to seriously upgrade WR for 2020. They sat on their hands at the position for that offseason. So we can't ALWAYS listen to Gute.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
June 11, 2021 at 07:37 am
Hank,
It was clear after that game their DL destroyed the Packers OL just like Tampa's DL did to us. We lost both games mainly because our OL couldnt hold up and protect our QB. What did Gutey do? Has drafted 6 OL since and added several promising OT's in FA such as Yosh Nijman, and Coy Cronk. He has picked up Amai, Funchess, Sternberger, and Deguara at WR, and TE.
Out of 32 teams in the league we have been to back to back NFC Championship games. How many other teams accomplished the same thing? Give Gute a break! Us Packer fans are blessed to have Gute running the team.
PeteK
June 11, 2021 at 09:18 am
I hate to rehash that game again, but Niners rushed for 285 yds and Rodgers threw for 326 yds. Our D line especially our OLBs were exposed. While our O line was certainly challenged vs Bucs, a team rarely wins when giving up 31 pts.
splitpea1
June 11, 2021 at 12:18 pm
How much longer are we going to console ourselves with NFCCG appearances, 28-8, and all of these other things that fall short of the ultimate goal? That logic is getting tiresome. The Packers are a professional team that shouldn't be equated to a Cinderella that made the Final Four a couple of years in a row.
We'll be "blessed" when the Lombardi Trophy comes home again--finally!
Our defense needs to be good enough to be able to gain the upper hand throughout the playoffs; no falling behind and having to play catch-up. If the defense is good enough to make a couple of initial stops against play-off-level competition, that gives our offense a chance to uncoil--and there's usually no looking back.
So I'm really hoping that Barry finds the mix, the right schemes, uses his talent to the best of their abilities--that is the key. Once we finally get over the hump, then we can freely pass out the congratulations to the management and coaching staff.
Tundraboy
June 12, 2021 at 09:17 pm
I agree. Now if he can talk some sense into Rodgers.
TheVOR
June 11, 2021 at 07:23 am
If Gute was doing his job, we wouldn't have an Aaron Rodgers Saga, and if we didn't have an Aaron Rodgers, there wouldn't be any NFC Championship games. This roster has a ton of holes, and the DC switch should have happened sooner. Still haven't really addressed the defensive issues in the DL and at ILB. The definition of insanity is doing the same things, or in this case ignoring the same things and expecting a different result.
After watching this unfold, and when they can't restore the broken relationship with Rodgers and he's gone, enjoy the crap product they try to field! This already feels like the early 70's creeping back to show it's ugly head. Gute is exactly Tom Bratz, and this team under Jordan Love is going to be really Ugly to watch, and in fact I probably won't. My 2..
Having a Michael Jordan historic caliber dominant NFL QB, and finding a way to screw that up, is inexcusable. So what is the Murphy Mantra? Gee, Aaron Rodgers has divided the fan base! Got news for the Gutey/Murphy fiasco in the front office, you can't villainize Aaron Rodgers for your inability to build a championship defense and equip him with more than 1 viable receiver. This defense has been mediocre for over a decade, and this team is a 4-5 win team without the MVP QB.
This isn't on Aaron Rodgers! But to trade him away like the morons they are, they have to villainize him first. That phase has just started in GB and in the Packers Media. Watch and learn people, some really bad football ahead if the MVP isn't on this team in 2021, and you'll have nobody to blame expect the top 2 monkeys running the organization. It kills me to see it unfold like this, and you can feel the wrath of reality is right around the corner. There is no other player, or amount of draft picks you can give Gute that's going to propel this team into competitiveness, NONE! We have one of the top three QB's in the NFL, and they screwed it up!
Savage57
June 11, 2021 at 07:32 am
I recall reading this during the summer of 2008, but with different names.
greengold
June 11, 2021 at 07:56 am
I’ve got nothing good to say about your take here, but the colorful words would weave a tapestry that would float over Lake Michigan for decades, to be heard from both its shores.
Coach Cleve Steamer
June 11, 2021 at 11:15 am
Check your mirror buttercup!
PeteK
June 11, 2021 at 09:25 am
He sure didn't complain when they made him the highest paid a few yrs ago. Also, we just signed an ILB that had 99 and 129 tkls in the last two seasons. Bird seeds for you. LOL
marpag1
June 11, 2021 at 10:05 am
Actually VOR, the definition of insanity is to keep on repeating a tired and incorrect definition of insanity and expecting it to make sense the next time.
Packerpasty
June 11, 2021 at 10:56 am
its funny to see so many people turn on the one guy who's most responsible for the Packers success these last few years...sucking up to management because they don't like Rodgers prickly personality...im saving all these dumb ass quotes from people who think the Packers will be just fine and come back them after the season..
Johnblood27
June 11, 2021 at 11:10 am
Dear Voice of Retardation,
Rodgers vs Jordan?
5 man game vs a 22 man game + ST... no comparison in ability to impact with individual performance.
C'mon man! NFCCG Loser vs crunch time stud? AR isnt even TB, he is more like a Dan Marino/Dan Fouts/Ken Anderson, etc... - good stats, no will to win. Not quite dime a dozen, but certainly not generational talent and winning mentality.
What AR has done is to develop his weaknesses (which he certainly had and took 3 years on the bench behind Favre to remedy) and to do 2 things unique.
1) He watched Favre throw away games with turnovers and vowed to pattern his game to be turnover averse - to the tune of best ever by a long shot at it. Kudos to him for seeing a weakness in NFL philosophy and scheme and addressing it in a way that maximized his talents.
2) He patterned his game to pad all of the statistics that contribute to QBR. He set the record by being different, including the turnover aversion and throwing away the ball strategically, and the QBR system bar of rating QB play was set. Again kudos to him for gaming the system.
He has not been a rock solid "Winner" in the mold of a Brady or a Starr. That goes to attitude and ability to perform in the crunch when all of the statistical garbage melts away and the will to win oversteps "odds" and convention.
AR is above average overall, but certainly not the be-all and end-all of generational talent at his position.
Oh yeah, and he has some severe personality deficiencies...
TarynsEyes
June 11, 2021 at 11:44 am
Rodgers becomes a tinge of Jay Cutler when he's needed most.
Difer
June 11, 2021 at 10:59 pm
Yeah, Rodgers has been a diva disaster preventing the Packers from winning more SBs. Looking forward to moving on with Bortles and Love. GO PACK GO!
ImaPayne
June 13, 2021 at 03:02 pm
you are spot on. Cheap ball acquiring late round picks and un drafteds, passing free agent defensive talent has cost the fans at least three super bowls?
This d has struggled for 8 years trying to get three and outs.
The orgs mentality of if we just score more we dont need a stinking defense 8s what has costs the fans.
stockholder
June 11, 2021 at 07:28 am
I don't Trust Gute. And I don't like a QB who isn't consistent. If he can't throw the ball right without the equipment on. He won't throw it "right" on the field. ( Turn-overs are not a winning formula.) Somehow the word "RELAX", isn't what I'm feeling. But who cares about winning if your seat isn't hot. The dumpster fire starts with the word Retirement.
murf7777
June 11, 2021 at 07:43 am
We’ll…..I guess you didn’t like Aaron Rodgers during his beginning training camps. It takes time to develop an NFL starting caliber QB, patience.
Savage57
June 11, 2021 at 07:46 am
Speaking of RELAX, you're forgetting how bad Rodgers' mechanics were when he came into the league. What he learned under Tedford had to be unlearned and replaced under tutelage in McCarthy's QB camps. Love's going to go through a similar cycle of learning with Getsy and LaFleur. Muscle memory takes time to develop.
No one knows at this point how any of this plays out. Rodgers could be back. Love could be thrust into a starting role with no pro game experience. Should the latter happen and Love stumbles, there'll be a lot of, "See?", without allowance that three years to develop usually leads to better results than none years to develop.
jurp
June 11, 2021 at 05:01 pm
Didn't Aikman lose his first four games as a starter? And I seem to remember Peyton Manning having a similarly tough time of it. Of course I'm old and too lazy to look this up for myself...
i think Love will start slow and then start setting the league on fire after the first half of the season.
croatpackfan
June 11, 2021 at 12:24 pm
So, you prefer consistency, if I understand correctly. Than look at consistent low QBR AR has for all the NFCCG he played in. I suppose you like that consistency?
Razer
June 11, 2021 at 07:33 am
Lot of good news coming out of OTAs and the mini camp. Aside from individual stories, I like the energy and attitude of the team as a whole. I saw Mercedes Lewis giving Adams blocking instructions like it was a school session. I just get the feeling that the boys know that they can win it all. I also get the sense that these guys like their teammates and are enjoying this time in Green Bay. It makes the absence of Rodgers that much more disappointing. Isn't this what the leader of a team embraces as part of their legacy? Too bad he missed it - there aren't many of these left.
Swisch
June 11, 2021 at 08:34 am
It seems there are abundant reasons for Rodgers to be excited about standing on the field with the Packers.
I still can't think of a single reason that is big enough to have him sitting out.
Razer
June 11, 2021 at 07:38 am
Nice article Paul. Thanks for focusing on the building of the team, especially when it is easy to pick the low hanging fruit.
RCPackerFan
June 11, 2021 at 07:48 am
"OL Competition will be the best battle this summer"
Th OL position to me is the most intriguing to watch come training camp. The OL kind of hinges on Bakhtiari and whether or not he will be ready to go. If he is ready to go, The OL for the most part will likely be set. The biggest question will be who starts at OC. Does Myers step right in and take the spot. Do they move Patrick to OC, and put Newmann, Runyan or someone else at RG? IF Bakhtiari isn't ready to start the season, then there will be a lot more questions to who is starting. Jenkins could be the LT, LG, OC, RG or RT, depending on who they want at the other spots. Turner will either be LT or RT most likely. Runyan would likely take one of the OG spots. Newman might be taking the other spot. Patrick will likely either be OC or RG, Meyers possibly OC. Then there are players that could surprise like Baden.
The great part about this OL, is that they are so damn versatile. Most can play multiple positions. Creates a lot of options for the offense.
Coldworld
June 11, 2021 at 08:58 am
Yet what happens in the DL concerns me most in terms of both personnel and usage as well as depth.
PeteK
June 11, 2021 at 09:45 am
I would have preferred Richardson, but Campbell is a very productive tackler. However, it could be argued that ILB was weaker than the DL because we only had one viable player, Barnes, but then we only need 1-3 ILBs ,but 2-4 DLs.
RCPackerFan
June 11, 2021 at 10:18 am
I still wonder if they are going to add another DL either before camp or during. This might be one of those moves that they are waiting to see what happens with Rodgers first. But I could see them adding a guy. There are still veterans out there available.
murf7777
June 11, 2021 at 07:48 am
Good article. Impressive that Newman is getting so much playing time. Stokes pick 6 is good to hear about. Seems like the OT and WR positions will be the most hotly contested positions this pre season. I think there will be a couple surprise cuts in those positions.
Coldworld
June 11, 2021 at 09:27 am
Could there be a trade or two?
murf7777
June 11, 2021 at 09:43 am
Possibly, but still not a lot of trades in the NFL. I think that part of the NFL is expanding thou.
I was just watching Funchess's video on upcoming season and was impressed with his commitment to the sport only 2nd to his family, he is in his prime at 27, and I believe he will be one of the big surprises this pre-season and a lock to make the team.
The guy is established as a very good WR when at Carolina. He is very athletic, just watch some of his basketball film for proof. BIG catch radius. Self-proclaimed as the best feet in NFL, we'll maybe Devante would have a say in that, but impressive that he feels so confident about his abilities. Looking forward to seeing him this pre-season.
greengold
June 11, 2021 at 11:09 am
Within the month. I think it is going to happen. BOOM! There's the DL everyone wants. DEN held SLB Bradley Chubb, DE Shelby Harris and NT Mike Purcell out all 3 weeks of their camps.
Knowing fan/reporter interactions on this from the DEN side, they are wanting to swap more players as opposed to more picks. It could work with the right trade pieces involved. Davante Adams is a trade piece involved. All words and actions by both teams indicate that is probable in this scenario.
TE Noah Fant was held out toward the end of their camps too, as was CB Ronald Darby... could be those talks became more fluid.
If both teams follow through with a trade, they are going to want their players in TC. We'll know shortly either way.
Lphill
June 11, 2021 at 08:49 am
Does all this really matter if Rodgers retires ? Some people here think Love will get the packers to the playoffs this season , let's just stop pretending .
Coldworld
June 11, 2021 at 09:00 am
A Love led team may be a more beautiful mystery than the one Rodgers has given us this year.
PeteK
June 11, 2021 at 09:54 am
Most here have HOPE that a well constructed team could reach the playoffs. Is it really out of the realm of possibility that with all these possible good O linemen and two excellent backs that we couldn't become an excellent rushing team which would take pressure off Love and some for the D.
Coldworld
June 11, 2021 at 11:43 am
I think that plus option and short scheme opened passes are part of the design of this system in all forms. It certainly would seem more helpful to any QB not having years in the system than MMs was.
CheesyTex
June 11, 2021 at 10:22 am
It matters to me because I was a Packers fan long before #12 and will be a Packers fan after he leaves -- whenever that is.
For me, it's always enjoyable to watch and learn about the assembly of the team each year.
Coldworld
June 11, 2021 at 11:44 am
Couldn’t agree more.
stockholder
June 11, 2021 at 10:40 am
I say he Retires. And the Love chain won't take long to break.
MarkinMadison
June 11, 2021 at 08:56 am
Braden and Newman are the biggest news out of mini-camp (although I'm not sure how much it really means without pads). We all knew there were a lot of bodies there. I don't think any of us had Braden on the radar as a potential starter. I'll be looking for the 1-on-1 score cards in July.
I think the reasonable expectation for Love is that he would be up-and-down in camp. If he had come out gun blazing that would have been both amazing and a little too convenient. Roll story lines of rigging. They were certainly rolled out after Day 2.
QB drama aside, I like this offense. You have a great duo at running back. Aside from the injury question at LT you have a very nice blend of Pro Bowlers and youth on the OL. Tonyan makes the TE group good. WR 1 is as good as it gets, and you have a lot of guys with a lot of money on the line competing for the other WR snaps. MVS can hit the jackpot or be a journeyman after this year. Funchess can hit the jackpot or be out of the league after this year. Lazard is still an RFA after this year, but he's making peanuts and needs the playing time escalators. If these guys aren't hungry, they are dumb. And Amari Rodgers could be the steal of the draft. I'm not saying that it wouldn't be nice to have a legit 1B at WR, but any of Funchess, MVS or Lazard has a legitimate chance to turn into that guy this year.
Coldworld
June 11, 2021 at 09:03 am
Line play means nothing in shorts. The only interesting thing is who they chose to roll out as indicative that those individuals are in their thinking, but it could all change fast once camp gets going.
CheesyTex
June 11, 2021 at 10:40 am
Braden and Newman are bigger guys and would appear to bring more of the "road grader" talent to the OL mix. Given LaF's expressed desire to balance the run/ pass equation, it seems likely that they would get a hard look -- especially if it becomes more necessary to adjust to a new QB.
croatpackfan
June 11, 2021 at 12:34 pm
If Jordan would be starter, there will be surely ups and downs in his first season. It is so rare to get finished product from 2nd or 3rd level competition Jordan was playing in college.
scullyitsme
June 11, 2021 at 09:11 am
This just in, Rodgers never asked for a trade. The dispute is he wanted a contract that let him play longer for the packers and not let management dishonor his contract in a year. What an ass. How dare he want to play for the packers for 4 more years. Guty has every right to kick him to the door next year and not honor his contract. Right? I know I know, your pitchforks are out and there’s no going back. You’ll have your blood. Still needs to be said.
Coldworld
June 11, 2021 at 09:29 am
And you know this how? He has a contract, so what is it your sources say he has asked for in addition?
PeteK
June 11, 2021 at 10:30 am
Yeah, why don't we give a late 30s old player a fully guaranteed multi year mega contract. How did that work out for the Giants with Eli or last season with Brees and Roethlisberger. It's a very physical game so it's a fair contract for both. Pack took a slight gamble and gave him an enormous amount early in the contract even though he was older and came off a season where it can be debated he had a bit of a down year. The contract has protection for the team later on as he ages. You make it sound like he's some avg Joe/Mary who is getting fired because of his age and now must worry about supporting his family. An aging player can hit the slide very suddenly. I need some self control because I keep getting suckered in by this long winded garlicky/fishy smelling hot breathed topic! hahahaha
greengold
June 11, 2021 at 10:44 am
MAXIM: Better to release a player a year too early than a year too late.
PatB
June 11, 2021 at 11:16 am
Yeah, I've been a bit surprised at how many posters demand he "honor" his contract (which they haven't read) but do not demand the same from management.
Coldworld
June 11, 2021 at 11:53 am
May have something to do with him being happy to take the 100 million or so up front knowing that the reason was in part to give him a team to win with.
“Thank you to the Packers organization for standing by me time and time again and giving me the opportunity to lead this football team. ... looking forwards to some memorable moments this year, and for years to come.” AR. August 2018 on signing his current contract.
jhtobias
June 11, 2021 at 09:19 am
Those commenting about rodgers either way fair point. Only thing that would tick me off if Rodgers has decided never to set foot in green bay again so be it he is a grown man his choice.
If out of spite the management decides to let him rot in retirement instead of getting draft picks players for the future then I will be ticked off.
TarynsEyes
June 11, 2021 at 09:20 am
“Yeah, I’ll be here. I’ll be here. I signed up to go to work and play,” Adams said Tuesday via Packers Wire. “I’m from East Palo Alto, California. I grew up with zero dollars. I’m not forfeiting any of my money that I’ve earned and signed for already. I’ll be there for sure.”
Sure sounds like a zing toward Rodgers, whether directly or indirectly, being said from the mountaintop.
Coldworld
June 11, 2021 at 09:36 am
I took it as a distancing, reminding that this is about his business first not friendship on the one hand or loyalty discounts on the other.
Adams has made it clear he’s got a relationship with Rodgers and also that he is not anti team. He’s handled this well verbally and physically in terms of presence. He also took the time blew out the theory that he coordinated receiver absences at OTAs effectively on his own initiative. It’s all about business for him. It should be at his age. This will be his last big contract.
He’s made that clear to all and all sides very professionally in my view. Maybe Rodgers should take a leaf from the Adams communication manual.
murf7777
June 11, 2021 at 09:58 am
I don't think it was a "zing" towards Rodgers. I think you are reading too much into his comment. He came across very professional by not throwing anyone under the bus. He stated he supports Rodgers his teammate, but also that the show must go on and he has no grips with the FO. He has positive words to state about Love showing leadership qualities. IMO, there isn't anything there other than a well spoken, unselfish professional. I believe he will support whoever ends up being the QB.
TarynsEyes
June 11, 2021 at 10:33 am
What I read from Adams was a Rodgers-like passive-aggressive statement. Whether it was an actual zinger is open to one's point of view, but one cannot deny the intent could be one that isn't limited to Jones and his owning up to his contract.
As to any Packer player's words about Love, I ask you, when did any player talk in any manner that would seem to be undermining or honestly truthful? The one thing they all learn first and foremost is to not denigrate another player while on the same team.
Teams have many standard replies to be adhered to when answering questions about teammates, less when you know you're leaving on your terms or the team, Sitton comes to mind.
murf7777
June 11, 2021 at 10:29 am
What part was passive-aggressive? I thought he expressed his mind authentically. I could be wrong, but he seems like a person who just speaks his mind, unlike Rodgers at times who can be passive-aggressive IMO.
TarynsEyes
June 11, 2021 at 10:40 am
One day he says he'll defend Rodgers while screaming from the mountaintop, and the next he's saying I'll live up to my contract, thus throwing shade on his former, which says he defends Rodgers not living up to his. Deny if you wish, but those stances are not in sync but the latter now implies I won't let the Rodgers thing interfere with my money and likely what his agent reminder him, the FO will pay your next contract, not Rodgers.
greengold
June 11, 2021 at 10:48 am
Yeah, there was nothing "in synch." Nothing. Which I interpret as he's very likely the subject of further trade discussions between the Packers and the Broncos.
Not only do the words say that, but his being held out of team activities supports that possibility.
Packerpasty
June 11, 2021 at 10:59 am
just your slant on things, no more right than wrong. Maybe thats what he meant maybe he was just speaking without thinking about every fucking word that comes out of his mouth and how it will be taken..jeez..these people say one thing and media and people like you jump all over it and analyze the hell out of it...funny shit.
greengold
June 11, 2021 at 11:19 am
"While Davante Adams attended, he did not take any snaps during the 7-on-7 or 11-on-11 periods. Adams, who skipped the OTAs, said he will be full go by the time training camp starts." - Rob Demovsky
https://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/50908/packers-dont...
PackerAaron
June 11, 2021 at 12:28 pm
He was responding to my question on if he was planning on attending camp without a contract extension. Had nothing to do with Rodgers.
TarynsEyes
June 11, 2021 at 12:46 pm
His answer to that question would be a simple yes, I will. The fact that he needed to make reference to him doing what the contract he signed and not forfeiting any of his money is a direct inference to Rodgers, whether or not you want to accept or admit the answer had unnecessary shade added to it.
croatpackfan
June 11, 2021 at 12:49 pm
Aaron can you ask on the next press con what is with Slaton, no much info about him... Thanks
PeteK
June 11, 2021 at 10:53 am
"I signed up to go to work and play" probably his own feelings about his contract or is there a small fissure of some players getting a bit fed up with this drama dragging on with a new season right around the corner. Especially with some players who are at or near signing new contracts that depend on team success.
greengold
June 11, 2021 at 10:57 am
He's going to get paid, either by GB or DEN. Pete, that whole scenario of this being up in the air has to warrant a bit of frustration, and I think we all saw some of that in his presser.
Coach Cleve Steamer
June 11, 2021 at 12:30 pm
This horse has legs. Why would the Packers trade Adams?
greengold
June 11, 2021 at 10:40 am
I agree with this, murf777.
Judging by zero comments regarding the Packers best WR, Davante Adams, yesterday, I'll surmise he again did not participate in any of the team activities. That can be seen in a couple of different ways. One, he didn't need the reps, which doesn't make sense because Jordan Love does need reps with the team's best WRs. Two, he was limited in practice pending a potential trade.
I believe the trade is still on with DEN. They held many of their players out too, for all 3 weeks. I'm thinking DEN wants both AR and Adams. I also think Gutekunst does not want to part with Adams, and has offered ESB, Lazard and MVS as alternatives in a potential deal for more than just AR alone. DEN likely said no thanks, which is probably why those players practiced. Gutekunst might be waiting for that offer that he can say "YES" to. My guess is it happens prior to TC. Personally, I don't think the Packers want this AR thing to linger much longer, even though they can make him sit forever if they so choose
Commentaries from both Adams and Bakhtiari have a kind of finality to them.
There was a lot left unspoken, and unasked by the media. I do think the Packers FO speaks with reporters about what questions they might frown upon. Reporters lay off of those questions in order to be allowed continued access. Words were very carefully chosen.
JMTC
murf7777
June 11, 2021 at 12:13 pm
I know your on the trade to Denver and you might be right. It also wouldn’t surprise me that Adam’s goes along if a trade happens. What’s blockbuster that would be.
But, I’m on the other side, thinking as James Jones stated, he will show up when training camp starts.
Roadrunner23
June 11, 2021 at 09:52 am
Love is supremely talented but as his college film showed he is streaky. When he’s feeling it he can make all the throws but when he’s not he throws pick 6’s. It is going to be a roller coaster with this kid (think Josh Allen only not as mobile). Hope he can be Rodgers backup 1 more season!
Juwann Winfrey is another one of those big receivers the Packers like! Watch his Colorado highlights, kid made insane catches!
Funches, I love his talent and attitude, I seriously think he competes for #2 or #3.
Offensive Line, with all of the young talent and Steno coaching them up, this is going to be fun to watch the competition come training camp, can’t wait!
Davante knows Rodgers is coming back, otherwise he’d be a bit more hesitant about training camp. He telegraphed it!
Super Bowl this year boys! Super Bowl!!
murf7777
June 11, 2021 at 10:08 am
Nostradanus,
I think you are right on about Funchess I just watched his basketball tape and wow, what an athlete. In one sequence, he jumped up to the basket and his head reached the hoop, so if he is 6'4 that means he achieved a 42" leap. I believe he will be the 2nd most talented WR on the team and a lock to make the team. The only knock I have about him is his miss catches and I hope he can improve on that. This will be a very competitive pre-season for the WR's. I foresee a surprise cut.
I would say based on what James Jones has stated about Rodgers over the past 8 weeks, he will be back. I've said all along, until I hear it from him directly, I don't believe anything the media says. It is all conjecture on their part.
Roadrunner23
June 11, 2021 at 02:38 pm
One thing about Funches drops, he was catching balls from Cam who notoriously throws the ball hard and low. Pretty tough for a 6’5” guy to catch those consistently. Dude can ball and he’s a pro. Can’t wait to see what he’s got with #12 throwing him the ball!
Since'61
June 11, 2021 at 12:07 pm
Not trying to interpret this either way, just putting this out there as an FYI from former Packer WR James Jones:
Aaron Rodgers' close friend says situation in Green Bay is fixable.
When it comes to the Aaron Rodgers situation, there hasn't been a lot of good news coming out of Green Bay over the past month, but there's finally a little bit of good news for Packers fans and it's coming from James Jones, who offered a somewhat optimistic take on the QB's situation during an interview with Colin Cowherd on Wednesday.
Jones is close friends with Rodgers -- they spent eight seasons together in Green Bay -- and the former receiver revealed several interesting factoids.
Jones believes Rodgers will actually show up for training camp. "He's willing to go in there and make sure they can get this thing right and get it fixable and go out there and put the best football team on the field and try to compete for a championship," Jones said. "And that's why I truly believe that he will be there for training camp, this will get fixed, and I think the relationship will get much better between him and the GM."
Rodgers doesn't want the GM fired. Multiple reports this offseason have said that Rodgers will only play for the Packers if the team fires general manager Brian Gutekunst, but apparently Rodgers doesn't want him fired. "I've talked to Aaron," Jones said. "I talk to him all the time. And he's told me that it's not about the GM. It's not about new money. It's not about the GM. So when I hear everybody on here say, 'It's about getting the GM fired' and these things, it's not about that."
One phone call ruined everything. Jones didn't give any details on this phone call, but it must have gone sideways pretty quickly. "His No. 1 beef is a private conversation on the phone that I can't share with you," Jones said. This is a situation that doesn't need any more mysteries, James. Just tell us what was said.
One other reason Rodgers is upset. According to Jones, Rodgers is upset at the fact that the Packers keep dumping players who could still help the team. Jones mentioned several former Packers like Charles Woodson, Clay Matthews, Julius Peppers and Jordy Nelson as examples.
The biggest upside for Packers fans is that Jones thinks the relationship is salvageable. However, Rodgers is clearly upset about multiple things and if the Packers can't placate him by the time training camp rolls around, it won't be surprising if he doesn't show up, despite Jones' optimism.
Obviously anything can still happen. Thanks, Since '61
murf7777
June 11, 2021 at 12:29 pm
That’s right since 61’ and he has stated this weeks before. That’s why I don’t listen to the media as they are all conjecture.
Roadrunner23
June 11, 2021 at 02:42 pm
Rodgers will be in camp (2 weeks late just to make management sweat). He will be under center for the Packers game #1.
The upside here is if Rogers gets dinged during the season Jordan love will have had plenty of time to assimilate the Packers offense and come in in a relief role in win a few games until Rogers gets back. Of course let’s hope Rogers doesn’t get dinged but it could happen, It usually does to guys that hold out
Dr.Rodgers
June 11, 2021 at 03:29 pm
Good take on the subject, Nostradanus. An injury or several in training camp or early season can sure change a complex situation in a hurry. I'm remaining optimistic that Aaron Rodgers rejoins his team and that Jordan Love gets some good reps in camp and preseason games. GoPackGo!
Since'61
June 11, 2021 at 04:11 pm
Nothing would surprise me at this point. Hopefully we get a resolution rather than a holdout by TC.
Thanks, Since ‘61
Thegreatreynoldo
June 11, 2021 at 11:36 pm
What about Stepaniak?
Slim11
June 15, 2021 at 12:48 pm
I'm wondering about him too!