Packers Trying to "Hone In" on their Nickel Cornerback

Jerry Gray told us that the Green Bay Packers have a handful of players competing for snaps in the slot and they will try to "hone in" on one or two in the coming months.

In today’s pass-happy NFL, the slot corner — or the ‘star’ corner as Joe Barry calls it — is a de facto starter for most teams, and that includes the new Joe Barry defense that we will see deployed in Green Bay this season. In a press conference earlier this offseason, Barry would go on to say that the slot corner will be on the field for about 80 percent of the defensive snaps—so yeah, basically a starter.

Last season, this position was primarily held by Chandon Sullivan, who took 608 total snaps in the slot. If I had to sum up Sullivan’s season in one word, I would choose “fine.” On 77 targets, he allowed a completion rate of 65 percent and 11.8 yards per catch with two touchdowns. And if you recall, he was a favorite target of Jared Goff and Tom Brady during the playoffs.

However, that isn’t to say it was all bad either. According to PFF, Sullivan ranked fifth out of 25 eligible slot corners in snaps per target and second in snaps per reception. With that said, that isn’t to say that this position can’t be upgraded; it certainly can, and that is what the Packers are going to try to do.

Defensive backs coach Jerry Gray has told reporters that they have four or five players in mind at the moment who could play the star role. But the plan during training camp and the preseason is to whittle that number down to one or two:

“That’s going to give us a chance to see how many guys can actually really dominate at that position, and eventually, after it’s over before the season starts, I think we would hone in on one or two of those guys.”

When it comes to who those four or five players are, Sullivan is clearly one of them, and I would venture to guess Darnell Savage is as well. During his two years in Green Bay, Savage has taken 230 and 229 snaps from the slot, respectively, and could be in line for more opportunities depending on how things shake out this summer.

I also imagine we will see Jaire Alexander lined up in the slot more often than what he did under Mike Pettine. As I wrote recently, Jalen Ramsey’s snaps in the slot doubled under then defensive coordinator Brandon Staley as he followed the opponent's top receiver and was utilized there in zone coverages to muddy things up over the middle for the quarterback.

I believe that we can expect to see Alexander utilized in a similar fashion, although the boundary will remain his primary responsibility.

Fifth-round rookie Shemar Jean-Charles primarily lined up out wide at Appalachian State, but in the NFL and with Green Bay, many are anticipating a move inside. Jean-Charles was a ball-hawk in college, totaling 25 pass breakups in two seasons, including 16 this past year, which led the nation. Gray would rave about Jean-Charles’ “smarts” and mentioned that they’ve lined him up both out wide and in the star role.

However, when it comes to Jean-Charles, he is a fifth-round rookie, so at least for the time being, expectations should be tempered. Odds are he won’t contribute much this season — although we obviously hope he’s able to — but he does provide added competition in the slot.

Since Gray mentioned four or five possible candidates, I’ll also throw Will Redmond’s name out there—and keep in mind, I’m just making educated guesses, no one has come out and said, “these are the five players.” Last season, Redmond took about one-third of his snaps from the slot, and in coverage, allowed 17 receptions on 24 targets at 13.1 yards per catch.

While coverage ability is the obvious requirement for a successful star cornerback, there’s much more to it. It’s a position that requires versatility and the ability to function in all facets:

“It's a unique position because you've got to be able to play man, you've got to be able to play zone,” said Joe Barry to reporters. “And when I say zone, you've got to be able to play like a linebacker almost. You've got to be involved in the run game and the run fits. We'll ask our nickel to be involved in the pressure package, so it's a unique position, but we've got a bunch of guys that are learning it just like they're learning every aspect of the back end.”

As Gray stated, the goal is to narrow this list from five players to just one or two, but my early guess is that we see more of a committee. For example, Sullivan may take a majority of the snaps, but I don’t see it being 608 again. If the Barry defense resembles Staley’s as we expect it to, then Alexander’s snaps inside will increase fairly significantly—he only took 33 there last year.

Savage could also see his snap count from the slot increase as well. As we’ve seen, Savage has been much more effective during his short career when playing closer to the line of scrimmage, and he’s also a willing tackler in the run game and has been solid when asked to blitz—all of which makes him a very good fit for this role, as Barry described above.

On top of that, Adrian Amos could see some snaps there on occasion as he has in the past, as could Vernon Scott, Henry Black, or whoever else ends up as the team’s third safety.

It’s a position that feels very much up from grabs— or at least that’s the impression that we have on the outside looking in — and over the course of the next few months, Joe Barry and Jerry Gray will figure out which players will be best suited for this all-important role.

“From the defensive standpoint, you better have good pass rushers and really good DBs. Specifically that nickel position, that star position. I think it’s vital,” said Barry to Packer Report. “I am from the school that you cannot have enough guys who are potential nickels.”

“In today’s football, you better have a great nickel or star corner.”

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Born and raised in Green Bay, WI and I still call it home. After my family, watching the Packers, sharing my opinions on the team through my writing and interacting with other fans is my greatest passion. You can find me on Twitter at @Paul_Bretl. 
 

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Leatherhead's picture

June 07, 2021 at 11:14 am

We’ll have 5 DBs on the field most of the time, or 6 in obvious passing situations. If they’re healthy, that’s Alexander, Amos, Savage, King , Sullivan, Stokes. Even if Stokes is awesome, Sullivan is still going to be on the field a lot.

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Jackwagon's picture

June 07, 2021 at 11:39 am

Paul. You are so lucky to have that great looking kid. Bet she is a lot of fun.

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Packerpasty's picture

June 07, 2021 at 12:00 pm

someone who looked like Rodgers just walked through the airport after getting off a private plane...maintenance workers cousin told me..

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Alberta_Packer's picture

June 07, 2021 at 12:49 pm

Did he have a man bun, wearing a hawaiian shirt and carrying a guitar?

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LeotisHarris's picture

June 07, 2021 at 08:36 pm

Many many people are saying he was carrying a ukulele. Just what I heard...

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PackerAaron's picture

June 07, 2021 at 12:30 pm

"Thank you, Simone"

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porupack's picture

June 07, 2021 at 02:45 pm

The airport in Cancun? Or which Rodgers?

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greengold's picture

June 07, 2021 at 04:46 pm

If true, is Aaron Rodgers flying into GB for a press conference to say, "Goodbye?"

I question the timing because MVS tweeted 15 hours ago: "They scream out your failures, and whisper your accomplishments..."

Davante's last tweet May 3rd: "Gotta appreciate what u got while ya got it!" (Davante tweeted regularly up until April 21st, then this last one on May 3rd - Crickets since, which is very much not like him).

Both of those comments sound a bit like parting shots.

Funchess, ESB and Lazard are confirmed via social media to be returning to GB, but not Davante nor MVS... Couple that with Demovsky and Wilde, two of the reporters closest to AR saying he likely won't be coming back to play for the Packers, and there seem to be a lot of dots connecting.

I fully expect to get thrashed for sharing this stuff, because it is not a popular subject, but it lines up. Oddly enough, OLB Bradley Chubb, DE Shelby Harris, NT Mike Purcell and ILB Baron Browning were held out of DEN's week 3 OTAs -again- today...

New players held out of DEN OTAs today were TE Noah Fant and CB Ronald Darby.

Are all 3 of AR, Adams & MVS going to Denver?

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Alberta_Packer's picture

June 07, 2021 at 04:51 pm

Boy, I'll be plenty nonplussed if Rodgers has decided to renounce his egocentric ways and return to the bosom of the GBP - as if nothing happened.

I'm thinking of all the minutes that I've spent (with my fellow posters) - advocating for his exile - when I could have used that precious time to chase kids off my front lawn, clipping coupons or learning how to play the didgeridoo.

Then again, if he's returned just to officially announce his departure from the GBP - please disregard the above.

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Coldworld's picture

June 07, 2021 at 05:33 pm

I’d be happy if it’s convincing. It would be great if the Packers, PR assessments or simple black magic have brought him back to the sphere of reason. I will wait for fact over rumor before believing.

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BradHTX's picture

June 08, 2021 at 09:37 am

Really wish I could give this comment more than one upvote. Well done, A_P.

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Packers0808's picture

June 07, 2021 at 03:16 pm

Did Rodgers have his 3 grandchildren from Hawaii with him?

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13TimeChamps's picture

June 07, 2021 at 03:43 pm

My mechanic's sister-in-law's hairdresser saw Brett Favre sneaking into the Hutson center field earlier today. I wonder what it means? Just trying to connect the dots.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

June 07, 2021 at 07:45 pm

Looking for his BFF - Rodgers.

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mbpacker's picture

June 07, 2021 at 04:39 pm

Sounds like an NCIS episode. Just read @ the Yardbarker, that Adams and the other receivers are expected to report to mini camp.

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greengold's picture

June 07, 2021 at 04:49 pm

Not sharing anything that wasn't reported... this by Evan "Tex" Western:

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/packers-offseason-2021-dc-salary-cap/...

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CheesyTex's picture

June 07, 2021 at 08:41 pm

Two thumbs down as of 8:38 for sharing a quote?

Chin up, greengold. Time will tell.

Meanwhile, IMO your musings are fun to read if not fascinating.

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greengold's picture

June 08, 2021 at 06:02 am

CheesyTex, that’s funny. Believe me, I knew what I was signing up for when I hit “Submit Comment.”

Really appreciate your kind words, but i’m not afraid to take some lumps in sharing thoughts on Aaron Rodgers not returning to the Packers. This is not anything Packer fans want, period. Myself included, though I’ve been able to see there might be some positives I hadn’t considered all those weeks ago.

In an earlier life I worked ER/TRAUMA. It was easy for me to remove emotion in assessing the situation, Draft Day 1 bombshell.

I’ve had to laugh along the way here, how many thumbs down I’ve received sharing thoughts on this possible trade since the morning of Day 2 of the draft. It’s been a very long 5 weeks now, going on 6... Aaron Rodgers owes me. He really cut into my CHTV stats.

The elephant in the room wearing the 12 jersey hasn’t gone away. Yet. I’m hopeful that my sharing thoughts on this has helped take the sting away for some people here. Personally, I felt like there had been a death in the family on April 29th. Nothing official has happened. I understand why fans might lash out.

Looks like the trade is in the works, to me. We’ll see who shows up, who practices. All those players from DEN not practicing, still (their mandatories started Monday, and I had to listen to a freaking painful Broncos podcast to find this out), tells me it’s on. More so if neither Adams/MVS practice - two minute details from Tex Western’s observation that could loom large.

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CheesyTex's picture

June 08, 2021 at 10:12 am

Thanks, greengold. Yes, I'm very anxious to see whether or not Adams/MVS practice -- if they don't, it would lend further credibility to your crystal ball vision.

At this point I'm actually hoping you are right about the trade. The worry is that #12 could be vindictive enough to have influenced a group of players to turn against the front office much as he has done. If it turns out that he dropped a "poison pill" by trashing GB management among the players, that looks like long-term damage to me.

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Stroh's picture

June 09, 2021 at 09:16 am

If they trade him now, there might be 2 teams involved. If they wait till the offseason of next year, there might be 10 teams involved. Much better to let him sit for a year, if he doesn't show, you recoup millions in cap space that would come in Very handy and then next offseason you would be in position to get a much better package of picks and players.

This is not the time to trade him!

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x24's picture

June 07, 2021 at 12:11 pm

"Home in"
You home in on a target.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

June 07, 2021 at 01:28 pm

Yeah, x24 I couldn't agree more, but we're fighting a losing battle. My whole life (I'm 65) you "homed in on" something, like a homing pigeon/missile: you "zeroed in on the target." The word "hone" means to "sharpen," so you hone a knife or your wit.
But the past few years, I've repeatedly heard "hone in" ("sharpen in?" Bleagh...) from coaches and players, to the point that I'm surprised when anyone says it the way it was said for a hundred years.

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x24's picture

June 07, 2021 at 02:48 pm

Thank you for your sympathy

We can commiserate over "all of the sudden" some other time

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LeotisHarris's picture

June 07, 2021 at 08:42 pm

Irregardless, if they all of the sudden have to hone in on it, than there Coaches should of planned better.

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BradHTX's picture

June 08, 2021 at 09:47 am

Eh. I could care less.

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CoachDino's picture

June 07, 2021 at 03:32 pm

I have no idea what is the correct usage but can add this. In MFG when you have a drilled hole that you spec to a more precise dimension than a std drill hole, you hone it to size.

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Coldworld's picture

June 07, 2021 at 05:46 pm

To hone (sharpen) the edge of a blade or to perfect something over a period of time, such as the accuracy of your hole diameter or ones arguments.

So one would hone the nickel role, standard of play or home the skills of players. Not “hone in” or presumably shave bits off them physically.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

June 07, 2021 at 09:19 pm

Exactly

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Coldworld's picture

June 07, 2021 at 05:39 pm

I would bloody well hope that they:
1) have players they think can contend,
2) plan to use the off season to winnow out the best players at that position in light of other positions (Alexander, Savage and Amos moving even part time) isn’t a zero sum proposition.
3) have the objective of improving play at that position and over all DB positions.

So beyond the fact that Sullivan isn’t a shoe in (only Alexander, Savage and Amos should be), neither surprising or enlightening.

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greengold's picture

June 08, 2021 at 04:31 am

Hone. Like sharpening your aim or focus. I’ve never used “ home.”

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BradHTX's picture

June 08, 2021 at 09:48 am

You’re correct, x24, though in fairness the writer was quoting the coach. I wouldn’t expect a writer for a blog to go so far as “... I think we would hone [sic] in on one or two of those guys.” That’s a level of linguistic excellence I don’t even expect from the professionals in the news rooms (I remember a beat writer for the Journtinel once referring to “calling in the Calvary”).

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Alberta_Packer's picture

June 07, 2021 at 01:10 pm

The Packers weak links on D last year were d-line, 2nd CB and nickel CB. Chandon Sullivan regressed at the nickel during the year - which is an unfavorable trend. And Redmond doesn't appear to be suitable for the position. I expect that Sullivan will initially start (again) but may be overtaken by Jean-Charles later in the season.

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greengold's picture

June 07, 2021 at 01:49 pm

Man, I'm just hoping Chandon Sullivan hit the proverbial Sophomore Slump last season. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the kid in 2019... I think he was one of the most efficient CBs in the NFL that year according to PFF data.

Really hoping he turns it around this year, and I think he might.

Have to figure, Kevin King wasn't the only DB misused last season by Mike Pettine. Maybe it changes this year with LaFleur/Barry in complete command of the D.

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Handsback's picture

June 07, 2021 at 01:31 pm

Why does Redmond's name keep coming up? Remember that he was the guy who allowed a pass to go through his arms right before halftime during the NFC championship game. While fingers point to King, rightly so, Redmond carries some blame as well. It's a championship game you have to rise up and be counted. If he's in that "star" corner position, Green Bay will be in for a world of hurt!

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ImaPayne's picture

June 07, 2021 at 06:26 pm

Ya so you proved we have at least two stiffs who couldnt make any other team as a starter. Who's next on the list, Sullivan? Moses?

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NorCalPacker685's picture

June 07, 2021 at 01:37 pm

I am still dumbfounded that Will Redmond’s name is still associated with playing time for the Green Bay Packers. Dude is a complete liability in pass coverage. Doesn’t even know what he’s doing over half the time, and even when he guesses right he’s got bricks for hands and never makes plays. Why he was resigned is beyond me. King I can understand, kinda... but for the sake of the entire fan base, somebody HAS to beat Redmond out for a spot on defense.

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greengold's picture

June 07, 2021 at 02:16 pm

I think Innes Gaines and Christian Uphoff are going to get 2 of those Safety positions this season. We kept 5 last year, and I believe Vernon Scott will possibly get that 5th spot for 2021. I'm hoping that's the case anyhow. Both are bigger, longer players than Redmond, with better playing speed and coverage.

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Coldworld's picture

June 07, 2021 at 05:54 pm

Redmond isn’t in my ire bad deep. Dropped interceptions, were they a basis for dismissal would get every DB in the league fired, except the ones that don’t get there at all. The fact remains, however, that we have to be looking to replace the backups at all positions or move them to starters as part of upgrading the roster. Either that or see players like Redmond make an unexpected leap. Both ways work to get us better. That is the point of the 90.

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greengold's picture

June 07, 2021 at 06:50 pm

Yeah, Coldworld. You hit on the key word, “replace.”

I think Gutekunst looked at his roster, looked at his STs ranked dead last or close to in KR & PR plus those coverage units, and wondered, “what the hell am I doing?”

Summers
Redmond
Burks
Hollman
Ento
Dexter Williams
Tyler Ervin
Tavon Austin
Raven Greene
Josh Jackson

Three of those 10 players are already gone. I would not be surprised to see the entire lot changed out for 2021. It can be argued every one of those players struggled in both their positional roles and their ST roles.

Redmond is likely the best of that group, followed closely by Summers. I’m hopeful Hollman & Ento can finally deliver, but hope is not a plan, as someone wise shared here recently in a different discussion.

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cms's picture

June 07, 2021 at 06:41 pm

Amen!

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Turophile's picture

June 07, 2021 at 06:12 pm

Nice piece, Paul, a good look at the options. It is going to be interesting to see how the Barry defense plays out, for example how much he plays man coverage (he has decent players for that) compared to the zone play he has favoured in the past.

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CoachDino's picture

June 07, 2021 at 03:27 pm

Hopefully Chandon can step up his game. PFF had him ranked 17th in QBR Def (when targeted). Sure Savage might be better but what is the overall impact. The best news is the amount of competition in camp. Chandon did seem to be picked on in the playoffs and against better teams. He's not a bad player but when your a SB contender "fine" doesn't always cut it I guess.

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cms's picture

June 07, 2021 at 06:43 pm

Savage doesn't seem like a natural fit at free safety. Maybe the star role would be better for him, tho we would need to replace him on the back end.

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CoachDino's picture

June 09, 2021 at 12:59 am

I don't disagree but wonder why isn't he a natural fit? Is it at Strong safety/free safety/cover 1/ 1/3's/Box/Slot etc...
I really don't know myself, my point is, doesn't it, like with most safeties, depend on what the teams asks of him at safety?..
Same can be said for most positions in general.

IMO, It's what makes preseason so fun and valuable, its a chance to see for ourselves as fans how these players look in different roles.

We often have the very valid argument of athletic tools vs Technical/FBI ("football IQ"-just learned it this year) You need a min of both but can get by at times with a great deal of one and less of the other. I don't see Charlas as the Speed and agility athlete to excel at Slot yet his ability to "hone" technique and FBI might be enough. Then you have the "huge" factor of scheme or "help" within the scheme to address weakness.

It's so complicated, for now I just stick with the opinion that it's good to see they addressed it in the draft & UDFA to create more competition. All you can really do with no cap space and multiple draft priorities.

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Stroh's picture

June 09, 2021 at 09:42 am

Its been pretty well established that Savage is best closer to the LOS. His play improved end last year when they started using him more in the slot and closer to the LOS in general. In addition, in college he played alot in the slot and made most of his plays there.

If as expected Barry uses the Rams D last year as his blueprint, the Safeties are mostly in 2 deep zones. Deep coverage has been where Savage has struggled most (see deep pass allowed in NFCCG). So using last years D for Rams isn't the best use of Savages skills and playmaking. Savage also has far more athleticism than Sullivan and the slot fits his playmaking better. Playing 2 deep zone doesn't require have elite athleticism.

IMO the best, most obvious choice to play the Star CB is Savage. Then you just need to find a Safety that is good in deep zone.

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greengold's picture

June 09, 2021 at 10:14 am

I agree, Stroh. Savage is a beast at the LOS. He played there extensively his last season at Maryland where he had 5.5 TFL 4 INT and 2 PD. He just has great instincts there, and I think he would be perfect in that star position.

I'm wondering if the other deep S doesn't come from the group of Uphoff, Innes and Wilborn??? All 3 big, long players who can range and cover, and play run/pass equally well.

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Stroh's picture

June 09, 2021 at 08:07 pm

There's also the 2 holdover backup Safeties from last year. One a late draft pick and the other an udfa IIRC. Playing deep safety coverage just takes some instincts and intelligence. It doesn't require high athleticism. Not like playing Star CB requires anyway. Deep coverage is almost a waste of Savages abilities.

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ImaPayne's picture

June 07, 2021 at 06:23 pm

Ok so your brady and you see our five guys out there. One is a stiff who cant cover on his best health day, Who you gonna exploit. You got it King. Deosnt matter how good the other four our, King is the weakl link he is the one who keeps drives going and costs us games.
Point having players is one thing, having players who are good and can do their jobs is another.

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Packer_Fan's picture

June 07, 2021 at 06:39 pm

I don't know about Jean-Charles. He is slow and will need to grab to be effective. I just see him like Gunter trying to keep up with Julio Jones in the playoff game. And not every CB is suited for the slot.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

June 07, 2021 at 07:27 pm

Boy did I feel sorry for Gunter in that game against Jones. If it was the MMA - the ref would have stopped the fight.

However I will disagree with you on the Gunter- Jean Charles comparison. J-C ran a 4.51 40 vs. Gunter a 4.69. Also J-C beat Gunter in every other athletic measurable. Also, despite being about 18 lbs. lighter than Gunter - he out-pressed him - 15reps. to 19reps. Then there are J-Cs intangibles - football I.Q. and extreme competitiveness.

I can envision Jean-Charles on the Packers roster 5 years from now.

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greengold's picture

June 07, 2021 at 07:54 pm

Nicely done. “Sherm” could be a real gem. They took him thinking that.

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Stroh's picture

June 09, 2021 at 08:13 pm

Gunter was just really tall and long. 6'2 I think. That was the reason he was mostly matched w/ Julio, that and ATL schemed that matchup. Jean Charles is a scrappy tough 5'10 slot CB. I dont see him playing much on the boundary. Probably a good backup slot and ST player, but expecting a 5th rd pick from a small school to play the Star CB as a rookie is a major issue for the D.

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greengold's picture

June 09, 2021 at 09:01 pm

Yep. STs with the pick all the way, plus quality backup.

Gunter was our first crack at chasing the next Richard Sherman... followed by Kevin King. Neither came close.

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Packers0808's picture

June 07, 2021 at 07:32 pm

See tonight Rodgers not coming in for mini camp! Hang on to him, if he comes back bench his ass for a couple games or more and see what Love has. If Love good keep Rodgers on bench and trade him next season. Can't get much for him because he wasn't a starter Packers still win for the same reason Rodgers is skipping practices! Will be an expensive backup but by now with hair bun little boy playing games don't let him play at all. Let him mop up some games and take victory kneels if when the Packers get wins! Wouldn't bother this guy whatever to see this scenario! Rodgers ploy crap has gone to far!

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Packers0808's picture

June 07, 2021 at 09:28 pm

Don't you love thumbs down with no explanation?

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stockholder's picture

June 07, 2021 at 09:41 pm

He's working at Home. Booyah.

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Packers0808's picture

June 07, 2021 at 10:37 pm

From your answer you should trying working at something beyond comedy!

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HankScorpio's picture

June 07, 2021 at 09:10 pm

They will figure out how to give the best 5 DBs the most snaps. I think it is a pretty solid bet that will be Adrian Amos, Darnell Savage, Eric Stokes, Jaire Alexander and Kevin King.

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June 07, 2021 at 10:48 pm

You guys this is not a Super Bowl contending team anymore Mr. Rodgers is gone one way or another (Trade or Holdout or Retire ) Take your pick .

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June 08, 2021 at 11:56 am

We should probably just forfeit next years games if King Rodgers isn't here. No way we can win a single game without him. He is the only guy who knows how to play football on the whole team.

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