You're kinda' preaching to the choir, Andy, and I doubt you'll change many minds on the subject.
Now that we know where we stand, all eyes will be on what MLF does with the coaching staff. Some good moves there might help calm the masses.
The kid at the ice cream store thinks he knows football, but just because LaFleur agrees doesn't make him a good candidate!

In the skeptical camp, the most competitive division in the NFL, GB will be fortunate to make the playoffs this year. 9 wins could be their ceiling.
In the hopeful camp, Gute will hit on all his draft picks filling holes at NT, LB, 2 CBs, LG, C, RG, K, and backup QB. Free agents will address ones missed in the draft. MLF will find a ST coach, a DC, OL position coach.
By nature and experience I am cynical, so I will keep my expectations low this year.

Andy thanks for the insight and your thoughts. I do have some questions that I would like to get answers to please.

Why are you and everyone so high on Jordan Love? I just do not see it. I have watched the packers since the early 70's and I am still not in the Love bandwagon. I think he is slightly better than average. What does he do really well? I just do not see anything. He does not throw a good deep ball. He is not real accurate, underthrows receivers a lot. Seems to make enough questionable throws each game to concern me. When the game is on the line I do not have a feeling of he will do what is needed to get us the win. Look at the 3 bears games this year. He was outplayed every game by Williams when the game was on the line, all three games. Yes, we won the first one with a interception in the end zone but lost the other two after we had double digit leads. If Love was that good and the game was getting out of hand why was he not able to right the ship and get us a play when it really mattered? Williams did each time. No, I do not like Williams but I think he is a better qb than Love. Love does not scramble well at all. I kept hearing he is athletic but I do not see it. He seems easy to tackle, slow and how many times does he slide before the first down? Even this last game against the bears. Before half time we were moving for a field goal. 2 plays in a row he rifled passes straight out of bounds. A few more yards could have been the difference between a field goal and a miss. That missed field goal changed the game but 55 yards could have been avoided had Love not wasted two plays in a row. Then with the game on the line his last pass was not even close to being completed. Who was he even throwing to? Was like the bears defensive back was the receiver. He did not even give a receiver a chance to make a play on that play.

I know Matt gets all of the blame for the late collapses this season but some of that has to be on Jeff as well. If he was as good a defensive guy as is said why did the defense continue to fold with the game on the line? His first year and his second year seemed to be much the same even though we added Parsons. Makes me wonder how much the defense would have regressed without Parsons? I know we gave up Clark but he had a very poor year his last year in Green bay and it was often mentioned him being a cut option for money reasons. If he was that good he would not have been talked about as being a cut option.

Lastly I do not think that Packers are cheap. In fact they are too generous at times. How many huge contracts do they continue to pay and players stop performing? Gary for sure did not earn his money. Jenkins did not play close to his pay check. Love did not earn top QB money. For anyone that says he had such a good year then why did the pro bowl also no feel that way? Williams was in his second year and took a last place team to win the division. Love got to control a team that is in the playoffs each year and he still in year 3 of starting has not cracked a 10 win season. Williams won 11 in his second year in the NFL. Tom got paid and had is worst year. McKenzie had a good year last year but did he make a difference this year? I did not hear his name called or see him in any game changing plays this year. I was happy that they traded for Parsons but not happy that they paid him so much. Yes, I agree with paying him the most as a non QB but did they really have to pay him 8 or 9 million per year more than the next highest paid player? that is a lot of money and could have got 1 or 2 really good players for that difference each year. yes, he played hard but it seemed the defense decided to just watch him play instead of doing what they did the year before. If Hafley was such a good coach then he should have motivated the rest of the defense to play like they did the year before and be much better with Parsons adding to that. I would like to see the difference between year 1 and year 2. It seems to me that there was not much of a difference especially when you add the fact that Parsons was added.

I have always been a huge Packers fan and this year after the broncos game I told everyone that I hoped that the Lions would pass green bay and they would miss the playoffs. Everyone was shocked including my mom, she said I have never heard you talk like that. I just felt like this year the team did not care and I did not trust them. Seems every time the national media is on their bandwagon they play like they just have to show up and the other team will give them a victory. They do not play like they want to dominate. I just felt like they were going to be a one and done team. Well they did worse. They played their biggest rivalry team. The team that called Green Bay out all year. Had a coach that called Green Bay out and talked junk. They had them on the ropes and let up the entire second half and lost the worst way you can. Now all Packers fans have to hear it all year and what is worse it seems the team is OK with that. Yes, they talked like it would be different after they handed the bears the division. Yet in the playoffs they were so nice that they gave them that as well. When will the team stop being so nice and actually want to knock teams out? That is my problem with Matts teams, they play too nice.

Congrats to you Andy on the extension.

As one of MLF’s biggest fanboys you must be nearly as excited as Mrs. LaFleur this morning.

I appreciate Andy's position as he works in GB.

However, there is a big difference in Andy's honesty level immediately after he witnesses another failed game and today's version of Andy. I turned off the podcast after a few minutes.

I can't exist on a diet of Packer spin control. Anyone who watched the Seahawks game could see they have an elite roster and superb coaching. That team is the result of their GM and HC. Neither Gutekunst nor MLF come anywhere near that level of competence and yet they were re-signed. This re-signing is a show of disrespect to fans, fans are the ones who pay for tickets, invest their time and energy, etc. Maybe it doesn't matter to them, but they lost this fan. Policy had since July to investigate talented GM/HC potential.

The fans are left on their own. GB media prioritizes access to the Press room, etc over honest evaluation.
I am just waiting for Hafley to get his job and I will study that team. It is over for me.

It's called a Faustian Bargain: "A metaphorical deal where someone sacrifices their core moral values, integrity, or even their soul for worldly success, knowledge, power, or pleasure, often leading to eventual ruin"

What is the line about "when people show you who they are, believe them"? After 7 years, we know who MLF is. A larger sample size is true for Gute.

Ed , Gute and MLF are all tied together. They took care of each other at the organization and fans expense. They didn’t dare hire a real HC with toughness. They don’t want anyone smarter or tougher than them. That way the machine keeps working for them.

WOOOOHOOOOO!

CALEB IS THE MAN! What a cluch throw!

I hope you all are having a great time ice fishing.

Right now I think Packers would have to go 0-17 to get rid of him...1-16 they would extend him again and give him a raise.

Running it back will get them the same results no matter how many homers serve up the green and gold kool-aid. Welcome to Groundhog Day, kids!

Please don’t do the wave while we are on offense…it’s too loud.