Pack-A-Day Podcast - Episode 2707 - Is This the End of the Rashan Gary Era?!
On today's show, Andy & Justis go through Packers/Bears and review the biggest issues for Green Bay, plus look ahead to what the Packers should do at defensive end in the offseason and discuss the latest injury situation at quarterback. Don't miss it!
By AndyHerman
On today's show, Andy & Justis go through Packers/Bears and review the biggest issues for Green Bay, plus look ahead to what the Packers should do at defensive end in the offseason and discuss the latest injury situation at quarterback. Don't miss it!
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Comments (32)
Since'75
December 23, 2025 at 06:09 am
For some years i've been talking about Rashan underperforming,
First, in relation to his draft status (See Lukas Van Ness).
Then for the huge contract Gute gifted him, coupled with the lack of 'Return on Investment' for that contract.
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I mostly got railed for what i said.
Earned myself a lot of rebuke and (GULP) thumbs down....lol
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So bring us to present day and what do we have. Nearly everyone is saying what i said in the past.
So for all those who attacked me....EAT A D...!
Houndog
December 23, 2025 at 09:12 am
I'm with you, '75!
It seems honesty always gets you lots of 'Thumbs Downs' with "The Packers can do no Wrong" crowd.
They'd rather live in their fantasy world than face the slap in the face reality!
Kinda' looks like it working again today!
SicSemperTyrannis
December 23, 2025 at 10:54 am
I'd like to see LVN & Gary on the inside with #1 and any combination of everyone else we've got on the end, and it seems to me that Coz might be the best of those. I'm not talking every down here, but I wonder if they could be effective like that.
The latest from Mike Whale is must listen, especially re: player development.
Green Bay Shareholder
December 23, 2025 at 12:12 pm
Amazing how that works isn't it - I was the same way with Jaire Alexander and many others. Ohhh the push back - Perennial All Pro gonna be a HOF'er like Leroy Butler (please), Mr. Shut Down until he wasn't and couldn't stay on the field with his 12 Career Int's. When he was injured, as he was often, it was the over riding reason our secondary was under performing - never mind the fact that he avoided tackling like a Vampire with Garlic. It is shocking how that worm turns especially with the players that are huge self promoters.
MitchAnthony
December 23, 2025 at 12:58 pm
I remember someone from a site down the hall who had that viewpoint almost right from the start of the Gary experiment in Green Bay.
I always pretty much agreed with those viewpoints as well.
Since'75
December 23, 2025 at 03:57 pm
That wasn't PF4L was it? 😏😲
Hope all is well Mitch.
Merry Xmas and happy holidays to you and your family.
nygary
December 23, 2025 at 06:21 am
Rashan plays hard with a great attitude but the results are just not there. Even with Parsons on the field always taking a double team Gary seems to never get to the QB.
egbertsouse
December 23, 2025 at 08:06 am
No he doesn’t. He dogs it on a lot of plays. Watch film of him and then Parsons or Bosa or Watt and look at the difference.
GreenandBold
December 23, 2025 at 11:56 am
Same as when he was at Michigan . Overrated and Gute fell for it . All my friends who are Michigan fans could not believe we picked him that high in the draft . They watched hiim every week and knew we made a mistake .
bleedgreen
December 23, 2025 at 01:15 pm
Michigan fan here.. I agree absolutely. Do these college scouts bother to watch the games or just listen to the hype.
Since'75
December 23, 2025 at 03:59 pm
I understand what nygary is saying.
He 'almost gets there'.
Been doing that for years.
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egbertsouse....also makes a very valid point.
Those who watch the game, i mean really watch it, see Gary pull up and dog it if he isn't 'right there' to make a play.
jannesbjornson
December 23, 2025 at 05:34 pm
How would Parsons look pairing with Brian Burns, or Montez Sweat? Read' em and weep.
Lphill
December 23, 2025 at 06:31 am
Bye ,Cox more productive with less snaps
Houndog
December 23, 2025 at 09:17 am
That, and now if he's healthy enough, we'll get to see what Oliver has to offer as a pass rusher.
Let's hope he's 'As Advertised'!
SicSemperTyrannis
December 23, 2025 at 11:01 am
I'd love to see Oliver become a force, I just wonder if the size in today's game dooms that. Hybrid LB / DB seems like a better fit. We've also got a WR on the PS that's almost halfway to a light TE at 6'4" 218# at the combine, Neyor.
Lphill
December 23, 2025 at 11:07 am
agreed, I think he may surprise
KenEllis
December 23, 2025 at 10:27 am
Gary = 12th overall draft pick in 2019. Overdrafted, overrated, and overpaid in Green Bay. But he has 7.5 sacks in 2025 and over 40 in his career. Gary was a disappointment but certainly not a bust.
Van Ness = 13th overall draft pick in 2023. Overdrafted and overrated. He has 1.5 sacks in 2025 and 8.5 sacks in his 3 years in Green Bay. LVN is on his way to being Gutey's worst 1st round pick. A certifiable bust.
I get all the criticism being directed at Gary, but why does LVN seem to be getting a free pass from Andy Herman and the rest of the Packer press?
Is it because LVN went to Iowa and Gary played at Michigan? Because LVN wears a number in the 90s and Gary wears #52?
TarynsEyes
December 23, 2025 at 10:33 am
If LVN was able to play the same amount of games/snaps, I believe the criticism would be difficult to tell which is about whom.
Since'75
December 24, 2025 at 06:06 am
I like Andy.
But doesn't Andy give most Packer players a pass.
TarynsEyes
December 23, 2025 at 10:30 am
Gary makes me want Nick Perry back, and I always said Perry was a bust for GB, but Perry did make a better appearance against the lesser OL's, occasionally.
KenEllis
December 23, 2025 at 10:46 am
Perry also once had 12.5 sacks in a season (when he wanted a new contract that declining Ted stupidly gave him).
Heck, Kyler Fackrell put up 10.5 sacks in his third season in GB and Gary has not done that once in 7 seasons while LVN does not have 10.5 sacks combined in his 3 years in GB.
SicSemperTyrannis
December 23, 2025 at 10:50 am
I'm not one to call for people's jobs, but if #0 is used only as a slot and is kept off the field when #11 is on it that's a crime against football. Have #0 9 & 11 on the field at the same time! This is more than merely "speed kills," it would give JL10 a chance to adjust to that much speed and he might start throwing to them at top speed and in stride, instead of making them wait for the ball and allowing coverage to catch up.
This is Captain Obvious Territory .
Strat
December 23, 2025 at 11:00 am
When he was drafted, a comment I heard more than once from college football coaches was "He can be as good as he WANTS to be," and that's what I see. It's only when he wants to be, which doesn't seem to be very often.
Like the words "Potential" and "Raw." Neither seems to pan out very often.
bleedgreen
December 23, 2025 at 01:30 pm
Packers seem to like to draft on potential instead of performance. Creating development projects. Don't understand it.
Since'75
December 24, 2025 at 07:07 am
Strat....when he got drafted, he sat there and blubbered like a baby.
He knew he won the lottery.
He was recruited to college on potential.
He was over drafted to the NFL on potential.
Gute gifted him his last contract (lottery #2) on potential.
Gute isn't the draft guru some kool aid drinkers make him out to be, when you sober up and put the glasses on.
Snap the ball
December 23, 2025 at 12:14 pm
No he holds the edge
He’s not a slender taller d end
He’s built different. He contains the edge so others can clean up
He plays the best in the playoffs
Healthy is the key To play in the playoffs
Line him up at middle linebacker with Van ness in front
Have Gary rush
Van ness drop backn
Since'75
December 24, 2025 at 06:11 am
"He plays the best in the playoffs"
LOL...Yea, so did Mike Daniels.
Snap the ball
December 23, 2025 at 12:16 pm
Use him in different spots
Go 3-4 look
Snap the ball
December 23, 2025 at 12:21 pm
He plays all games
Quit dogging him.
Playoffs he plays the best
CanPackFan
December 23, 2025 at 02:48 pm
Gary gets a big contract and now dogs it! This seems to happen with some players. Gutes is just terrible in picking Dline in the first and second rounds. Gary and LVN are below average and our starting CBa couldn't start for any other team. How does Gutes still have a job? Oh, yeah. Mark Murphy...
Lare
December 23, 2025 at 03:58 pm
"How does Gutes still have a job? Oh, yeah. Mark Murphy..." And now Policy. Everyone protecting Gutekunst.
As to Gary, he's just an average player. Being paid for more than that.
Since'75
December 24, 2025 at 07:10 am
I always said from the get go, Gary was slightly above average, slightly.