Bye, Bengals offer Packers a Litmus Test and Opportunities for Growth
Some much-needed rest and a weakened opponent offer the Green and Gold a chance to get back on track.
By JosephR
Week 5 has all but come and gone, with only one game left to play, some of you might have been singing the blues with the Packers idle at home on a bye.
And you know what, it's the best thing that could've happened given how things have shaken out.
The Packers came out of the gate piping hot, just like I expect my fries every time I hit the drive-thru at Culver's, but two straight road trips to Cleveland and then Dallas cooled off the Cheese quickly. Now the Packers have a chance to get back right with a reeling Cincinnati Bengals team sans QB Joe Burrow and 17th Overall Pick Shemar Stewart at DE.
I know some fans might already be looking ahead to the Cardinals in Week 7, but a trip to the Dog Pound should be a glaring reminder that there are no easy wins in this league. Ja'Marr Chase, Tee Higgins, and Andres Iosivas will absolutely test this secondary with their combined field-stretching abilities, and we still haven't even brought up Noah Fant and Mike Gesicki. Chase Brown needs one cut to be gone and Samaje Perine will have the defense flipping a coin on whether he's going to take the handoff, block, or run a route.
But enough about the opposition. The Packers have a unique opportunity not only to return to playing good, championship-worthy football but also to grow as a team.
I know many of you are frustrated with Matt LaFleur's playcalling and game management (but firing him is extreme). The playcalling? Ehhh, sorry guys, I don't think that's going away, not without some changes in the coaching staff, which won't be happening anytime soon (more on that later). I can't remember who said it in the PackersVerse, because I'd love to give them credit, unfortunately, they were talking to someone else, and I just happened to be "in the room". But Matt LaFleur has a script, like every coach does, and he's gonna stick to it to a tee. When he calls those bone-headed plays that we're all ready to throw the salsa bowl at the TV, he probably planned to run that play 10 minutes ago. On the same token, when he calls a game-breaking big play, that was also in the proverbial "batting order" of plays he has queued up. I want to watch more of Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan to see if they also have this same "flaw", but I think this habit is LaFleur's own deviation from their very similar coaching philosophies. It's probably here to stay.
Game management? Welp, the one person who should have helped LaFleur make strides in this area is Rich Bisaccia; after all, he's had 15+ seasons as an Assistant Head Coach (always a bridesmaid, never a bride, eh, Rich?). Unfortunately, Rich has his own problems, such as avoiding three straight games with a blocked field goal attempt. The person who could fix that all in a jiffy? He's up in the box. Jeff Hafley has only been a head coach for three years, but perhaps during coaches' meetings, he's put a bug in LaFleur's ear on how he can improve? I'm probably hoping for too much here, but as Elwood used to say, "the Lord works in mysterious ways...."
The Bengals are sporting the league's third-worst defense. Jordan Morgan has frustrated us all at times, especially against Cleveland, but he held his ground in Dallas. Aaron Banks and his $77 million be damned, leave the kid out there! This back-and-forth between tackle and guard is probably hindering his development, which would explain his inconsistent play. If Zach Tom could benefit from a little more time off, stick Anthony Belton out there too, and let Darrian Kinnard jump in when necessary. The cupboard is bare after Kinnard, and I'd much rather have Tom and Banks (still lukewarm on him) at 100% for the postseason than dealing with nagging injuries against the league's best. Should we lose either for a significant time, they'll likely land on IR, which allows Brian Gutekunst to go on a Practice Squad Poaching Spree (probably targeting Kadeem Telfort from the Dolphins). There's no telling if Rasheed Walker will land an extension at the end of the year, but he's going to have some leverage if there are valid question marks on the longevity of Morgan and Belton.
I know there have been circulating reports of the Packers trading for Saints' DT Nathan Shepherd (and after watching some tape, I ain't mad at that at all), but if Devonte Wyatt also needs to sit for another week, Karl Brooks and Colby Wooden have an excellent opportunity to strut their stuff as a unit. I was underwhelmed with their showing in Dallas, as Javonte Williams kept the Cowboys in the game with back-breaking runs. However, if they want to give Gutekunst pause before he spends some money in free agency or selects a defensive tackle on Day 2 in 2026, it might be now or never. When the postseason comes, it will be about the "Jimmys and the Joes" and there may be a situation where the Packers NEED a play from either of them to secure a win and move on to the next round or bring the Lombardi home. I hate to burst anyone's bubble, but Christian Wilkins will not be hearing from the Packers unless he's willing to play for peanuts and earn another deal down the road. The defensive line the Packers have on the roster now is most likely all they've got to work with down the stretch.
Speaking of Brooks and Wooden, this secondary might need a couple of plays from them this week. The Packers have to shed the label that this secondary is only as good as Micah Parsons and this Green Bay pass rush. This is the best WR group the Packers will see all year since Dallas was short Ceedee Lamb in Week 4. I'm not sure if Nate Brooks is physically hurt or if it's just a matter of his confidence, but we'll find out soon enough. A Stephon Gilmore signing might move the Packers up from the youngest team in the NFL, but it could be a welcome addition. Chauncey Gardner-Johnson is also seeking a new team, he offers versatility between corner (nickel) and safety. Browns CB Greg Newsome II and Seahawks CB Tariq Woolen will be far more expensive. Still, they could put the coverage unit into the upper-echelon tier. I know Carrington Valentine didn't look any better against George Pickens, if not worse, but the Bengals offer a bounce-back opportunity for him as well if the game gets out of reach early. I know Jake Browning scares nobody, but just about any QB in the NFL can find a streaking receiver downfield if the coverage is busted.
I know many of you may find yourselves disappointed with the Pack at 2-1-1. But with a week off and a home game against an opponent trying to sort out its own mess, there are some growth opportunities for key players (and hopefully the coaching staff) that could be had this upcoming Sunday. If the Bengals take the Packers to the brink, expectations for this season will be seriously called into question by insiders and outsiders alike. But if what we witness is the same offense that scored 40 a week ago on the road and a defense with a renewed sense of aggression and execution, the words "Super Bowl bound" might still be appropriate. Like you, I'll be watching the practice reports to see who will have an extended opportunity to make their mark on Sunday's contest.
The Packers host the Bengals at Lambeau Field at 3:25 CST/4:25 EST. Let's hope they "get back right" next weekend.
#GPG
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Joseph has been an avid fan of the Green Bay Packers since 1997, citing an affinity for dairy products during his childhood and his favorite color, green. Born in Jacksonville, FL, Joseph currently is an Active Duty servicemember in the U.S. Armed Forces. Joseph considers himself a lifelong fan of the game of football, competing since his youth well into adulthood. When it comes to the Pack, Joseph is particularly impassioned about the NFL Draft and collegiate scouting process, and will contribute regularly on CHTV.com leading to that year's upcoming Draft. You can follow him on Twitter at @joeyreyallday.
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Comments (31)
splitpea1
October 05, 2025 at 10:37 pm
Speaking of McVay, his play-calling was a bit questionable down the stretch in the last game against the 49ers, so no one is immune to this contagion. And speaking of Day 2 defensive tackles, that was a hell of a strip on the goal line by rookie Alfred Collins (Me and a couple others thought he might be a worthwhile pick if we had the chance.)
The Bengals a litmus test? Maybe, as noted, for the secondary, a chance to fix problems, and get back to generating turnovers (Browning has thrown 5 INTs in the last two games). Minnesota and Detroit has not had problems generating points against them, and what I would really like to see is a solid effort from the O-line in making some holes for Jacobs.
We had better win this one.
JosephR
October 05, 2025 at 10:49 pm
Litmus test sounds funny when you think about it, but again, I reference the Browns. Granted, the Browns also had a Top 5 defense, but a team that arguably didn't have a serviceable QB and no real threats at WR came away with the win.
The Bengals without Burrow SHOULD be an afterthought, and that's the litmus test. Don't play with your food; Super Bowl-caliber teams should go out, execute, and get the win. If the Packers win by just one possession at home, or worse, lose, some might be calling the Packers an early season tease or even frauds.
KKB
October 05, 2025 at 10:46 pm
The Packer's two big $ free agents have been MiA this season. So far, they gave been terrible.investmemts.
LambeauPlain
October 06, 2025 at 08:06 am
"Terrible investments"?
So far they have barely even practiced, let alone get extended play in game action.
Can't be a "day treader" in the NFL.
jvole
October 06, 2025 at 04:53 am
What became apparent last game is that without Wyatt the D-line is bad to mediocre in the middle. That's what they need to figure out.
O-line: It would be nice if Jenkins and Rhyan got into form. And if anyone on the right side gets hurt, and they move Morgan to the right side of the line, then all the coaches involved should be fired. The dude just hasn't figured that out--It is what it is.
T7Steve
October 06, 2025 at 06:04 am
Get Josh going and get quick pressure on their QB. Translated, that means the O and D lines need to get clicking. If they don't, what difference will play calling and strategy make? The medical staff coaches have to do their jobs well long before game day for their decisions in the 4th quarter to matter.
NickPerry
October 06, 2025 at 06:30 am
"But if what we witness is the same offense that scored 40 a week ago on the road and a defense with a renewed sense of aggression and execution, the words "Super Bowl bound" might still be appropriate."
Oh no, you're not going to get me believing that again after a week 6 win (hopefully) against a deeply flawed Bengals team. I NEED to see MLF make good SOUND decisions for several weeks before the words Super Bowl and Green Bay Packers are in the same sentence in my thoughts.
What I don't want to hear ANYMORE is the excuses. Jordan Love isn't a kid anymore, I'm tired of all the excuses we hear after every stupid Jordan Love play. I'm even MORE fed up with MLF saying "It's on me" after EVERY loss or bad play. Jesus Christ Matt, it's year 7, the STOP doing it! It's aways seems to be the same ole shit...
LambeauPlain
October 06, 2025 at 08:22 am
There many areas to improve. Jordan Love is the least of their problems needing triage.
Atop the list the OL operation from coaching to the last guy on the bench.
Another was the surprising sudden dysfunction in the second half in Dallas when they got sliced up by Prescott and ground pounded in the run game. I will be shocked if Hafly doesn't put a defense on the field Sunday that dominates and does what I believe it must do this season: Lead the team and expect LaFleur demands OL competency and the over-paid, under-achieving Bicassia learns how to coach kick and punt returns, blocking and tackling.
Teams have been pathetic and LaFleur has no answer because I don't believe he is involved in STs. He's farmed that out to his Assistant HC...even as they directly contributed to letting two Wins slip away in the last two weeks!
Fix that OL and STs and the Packers have true potential to be the talk of the NFL. They are very close to unlocking Ron Wolf's priorities for a winning, Championship Team: Get a top NFL QB and complement him with a dominating DEFENSE.
Vachio
October 06, 2025 at 09:00 am
Experience doesn't make a player immune to mistakes. Jordan Love, like all players, is human and he's going to make stupid plays from time to time. How many bone-headed plays did we see from Favre over his career? Like, his ENTIRE career. And Aaron Rodgers was in his 17th season, 14th as a starter when he locked in on a triple covered Adams despite 2 other receivers being WIDE open during the playoff game against SF.
NFLfan
October 06, 2025 at 09:23 am
Lazard had already failed to catch in that game as well as did M Lewis and Cobb-I don't blame Rodgers one bit. He needed a #2.
barutanseijin
October 06, 2025 at 06:18 pm
The Man of a Million Excuses. Some never tire of thinking of new and ever more creative exculpations for that guy
Razer
October 06, 2025 at 08:20 am
Would love to ignore the tape but the gaps on this roster and repeated miscues has me lowering my expectations. Two things are sadly more apparent with our Packer franchise:
1. Lafleur is over his head as a head coach
2. Gutekunst can't build a championship roster
Most fans agree that Lafleur could handle the OC role but virtually every other part of his job has been mishandled. His hiring of Hafley is probably the exception.
A lot of you will defend Gutekunst because of his mid and lower round draft surprises but the roster is full of average. Great we got Parsons but he is a star on a chronically weak D-line because Gutekunst doesn't value the trenches. Kenny Clark was the only stud on the D-line for years and when Slayton finally matured we shipped them both off and left our new toy all alone with all the average performers. 2 steps forward - 2 steps back.
We all applaud Gutekunst for his big splash FA signings but they are expensive and they are needed because we have missed on draft picks in all these areas of the team. McKinney, Jacobs, Banks and Parsons all necessary because the secondary, backfield, O-line and pass rush lacked. What about the supporting cast in these areas.
Sorry, I have lost faith in both of these top executives.
LambeauPlain
October 06, 2025 at 08:29 am
Sorry, but Gutey's peers in the NFL strongly disagree with you.
Razer
October 06, 2025 at 09:10 am
I am not sure who the peers are that are raving about our team architect but I am seeing a young, expensive roster with persistent weaknesses. Last year's O-line lack of depth has been replaced with a bizarre reshuffle of personnel with no depth on the interior and an all pro guard learning how to be NFL center. In contrast look at Howie Rosen in Philly. Problem in the secondary - draft two studs bring in a vet and move forward. Despite Gutekunst's moves we don't really rectify the problem. There isn't enough "move forward".
LambeauPlain
October 06, 2025 at 11:05 am
"I am not sure who the peers are..."
They are not casual NFL fans.
Razer
October 06, 2025 at 02:52 pm
As a casual fan I can read the results of drafts and yearly records. Not many high round draft picks worthy of second contracts in fact not many second contracts from previous drafts. And as a casual fan I can see where we end up each year. First round of the playoffs is the ceiling for the Packers and that is about our pace again this year.
Starrbrite
October 06, 2025 at 03:26 pm
Raz—I seriously believe had our olineman and wr’s not been hurt in last year’s playoff gm vs Philly,
We would’ve beaten them.
We were six minutes from a potential victory…without several starters.
Coldworld
October 06, 2025 at 08:51 am
The Bengals should not be a test of anything. They have a big problem at QB and they don’t have a stellar anything on which to lean. This game should be a victory on both sides of the ball unless we trip over our own feet.
In fact one can make quite a good argument that the next 4 games ought to be wins on paper. We could win all 4 and still not really have answered the key questions. The real tests come next month not this one.
Razer
October 06, 2025 at 09:27 am
I am assuming that you meant the Bengals. We do have a favorable schedule which gives us the luxury of honing the team for the colder months but will we? As the Browns and Cowboys showed, we are not as solid as we seem in areas. Can we adjust and improve? I not so sure because after 7 years, I don't think Lafleur is effective beyond his play calling role.
Coldworld
October 06, 2025 at 12:23 pm
Corrected, thank you. If we do not win the next month then I think it’s pretty clear the problem isn’t on the field but off. Personally, I think this roster good enough despite concerns with DT depth in the run game. So it’s LaFleur month for me, for himself and his staff collectively.
Starrbrite
October 06, 2025 at 03:28 pm
I don’t disagree with you on MLF—there are serious questions that will soon be answered.
NFLfan
October 06, 2025 at 09:12 am
Gutekunst is average @ best and he like MLF, has not been held accountable for repeated, expensive early round Draft whiffs. This deficiency has resulted in lack of vet depth. If we translated Draft capital into real dollars, we might better appreciate the enormity of the waste. He is @ least 50% responsible for the state of the DL/OL.
Apparently, none of the Principals are listening to the 'noise' which is actually called feedback. Why should they? They haven't been held to account to date.
What Policy chooses to do @ season's end will tell me all I need to know and I will invest my time, interest and energy
accordingly.
Razer
October 06, 2025 at 09:37 am
Ed Policy is in a tough position. The team is a little above average with a likelihood of another 9 to 11 game winning record. Many organizations would be satisfied with a potential playoff record. How do you reengineer a team like that? Similar problem when you have an old QB who has very good stats for a team that is good but not great. Takes guts to do what the Lions did with Stafford and build a new foundation.
NFLfan
October 06, 2025 at 10:16 am
Is 9 games enough? GB should stop talking about SBs then and let fans decide if they wish to root for a middling team.
GB's competency has been hampered by poor coaching (MLF, Bisaccia, Butkus) and in-game/clock management. Policy remains President, currently, and @ the very least, he should over-ride MLF by insisting he hire an authentic OC- play-caller to free him up (from himself-lol) for his actual duties which is managing all branches of the team, fire Butkus and Bisaccia and put more effort into locating (by committee-not MLF), the best ST/OL coaches.
These changes would be in better alignment with best practice , likely win more games and calm the fan base.
Razer
October 06, 2025 at 10:28 am
I agree. Very difficult to force people with egos to role back their influence. Better to have them recognize and come to these actions of their own accord. Murphy started all this structural silo stuff when he fawned over Lafleur then gave him authority beyond his capabilities. Policy needs to be brutally honest with both Lafleur and Gutekunst.
NFLfan
October 06, 2025 at 10:36 am
Agree-Then fire him. He's likely worth 20-30M and will land on his feet.
NFLfan
October 06, 2025 at 09:54 am
Green Bay media should summon their courage, perhaps by banding together, and dive deeply into the real impact Mark Murphy's re-jigging of the hierarchy had on this team. He usurped the autonomy required for a GM to fully/freely operate. The Packers's team growth and competence has been hamstrung under his reign, though it was masked by merch sales and ticket sales--(riding on past glory). No competent GM nor HC would acquiesce to such an arrangement.
Dysfunction always starts at the top. I'm very curious as to how Ed Policy will diagnose and treat the underlying illness.
Oppy
October 06, 2025 at 07:35 pm
Umm, reconcile these statements, please:
9:54 am: "(Mark Murphy) usurped the autonomy required for a GM to fully/freely operate. The Packers's team growth and competence has been hamstrung under his reign.."
10:16 am: "Policy remains President, currently, and @ the very least, he should over-ride MLF by insisting he hire an authentic OC- play-caller to free him up (from himself-lol) for his actual duties which is managing all branches of the team, fire Butkus and Bisaccia and put more effort into locating (by committee-not MLF), the best ST/OL coaches."
Sooooo.., Mark Murphy loused everything up by taking away the GM's autonomy (which I actually agree with), but then, inexplicably 20 minutes later, you suggest that Ed Policy should not only leapfrog the GM's autonomy, but also cut the legs out from under the HC as well?
Any way the wind blows with some people.
stockholder
October 06, 2025 at 10:51 am
Seriously- Next man up should
not be part of the solution now.
Walker doesn't need leverage.
He's a lunch pail guy now.
I prefer assets over the unknown.
Vachio
October 06, 2025 at 11:44 am
Next man up is literally part of the solution every single year for every single team. Football is a violent game and players get injured. How would the Pack's season have gone last year if not for Malik Willis being the next man up when Love got injured?
stockholder
October 06, 2025 at 05:48 pm
My reference was to Team Loyalty first.
(Chemistry)