I enjoy listening to Andy because he is an authentic fan of the Packers and still retains the ability to sometimes tell it like it is instead of constantly making excuses and covering up issues that don't paint the organization in a positive light.

Like us fans, Andy gets really high after wins and as the years have gone on he has made a CONSCIOUS effort to tone down his disappointment over losses.

For that reason, watching his instant reaction to yesterday's debacle was pretty telling. I think Andy, like many of us fans, had begun to drink the Super Bowl koolaid and losing to that Browns' team with a 40 year old statue at QB landed like a thud.

I think it dawned on Andy yesterday, like many of us fans, that even though Hafley,, Micah, Rashan, and the rest of the D continue to look like a legitimate Super Bowl unit, there remains a lot of doubt when it comes to MLF's coaching and Jordan Love's QB play in big moments.

Finally, and I love him for it, there was just no way Andy could mask his disgust over Richie Bisaccia's Special Teams. I think Andy, like many fans, is no longer willing to not call a spade a spade and pretend that the STs are not, once again, a disaster.

Thanks for keeping it real Andy and please don't sugar coat a loss to a team with a 40 year old statue of a QB who managed to generate 0 points through 57 minutes of the game.

In the title of the headline..... "Are there any positives to take away ?"
The answer is YES. The jury has reached a verdict !

Love has been throttled from throwing deep. He has lost MLF's trust. Love has shown over and over he's a Hango when he does throw deep and is not the best decision maker (I'm being kind ) MLF is scared knowing he has been lucky but too many times luck ran out. MLF''s fear is also the reason for shitty play calling as he tries to work around Love's issues.

I'm sorry Jordan Love White Knights, end of 2023 Love had a string of luck come in. It got him the monster contract that I highly questioned. Admittedly it also got one of my feet on Love's bandwagon where I began to believe. Since then...... More jeering than cheering. The game against the Browns exposed the hard to swallow truth for many and also brought in the jury with a verdict on Mr.Love:

"We the jury find Jordan Love guilty on count 1 of being just an average QB who gets lucky from time to time, he is NOT a marquee top caliber quarterback he is an average NFL QB nothing more. Count 2 he is guilty of horrible inconsistencies as he masquerades with unjustified pay of a top tier QB. Count 3, guilty of inept decision making while in play. Count 4, fraudulently obtaining a contract of a top tier classification while abilities prove average with streaks of luck at best."
Unfortunately the die hard green and gold fans are the ones with the sentence to endure.

all I want to know is who's idea was it to throw on 3 rd and 3?

Jordan Love is a good enough QB but when one adds the underperforming O-Line, perennial, horrible ST's, inconsistent discipline, questionable game plan/in-game management, the house of cards falls.

It’s looking like gutes plan of signing banks was a huge mistake !!! Could have gone with other options at guard that were less costly , maybe even a center? Leaving Jenkins at lg ? Thankfully the belton pick looks better with every game experience he gets - I think he’s going be a good player for us . We are really gonna need belton to play now at least until tom gets back which may be a while

It is my understanding that one of the more conservative MD's has left the Packers. I do not see them as medically conservative any longer.
Jordan Love was out there playing one week after a groin injury which was superimposed on a ligament strain.I remember calling that out. Groin injuries take time to heal as do ligaments.

Also, Jordan threw that interception really fast-the dude was tired of getting sacked.

Not sure when gb can move on from banks ? It looks like he may be here at least thru 26 - sadly

The offense played scared

The defense doesn’t play scared