Joseph's Gems: Reassessing Ty'Ron Hopper III
Perhaps 2025 will reveal Hopper's true valuation.
By JosephR

It's Super Bowl week everyone, and after that, all eyes will be upon the upcoming 2025 NFL Combine followed by the 2025 NFL Draft which will be hosted in historic TitleTown. We've had a lot of exciting action already with the All-Star games already played. However, I felt I couldn't ethically move on to Gems 2025 without closing out this series, as hard as it was to see the results.
Last year, the Packers took one of the members of the Gems 2024 class, LB Ty'Ron Hopper out of Missouri. I couldn't have been more elated to see that the front office was just as enamored with a prospect as I was to select during the draft. If you're just joining us, allow me to catch you up:
In short, I was expecting Hopper to be at least a rising role player within the Packers' young defense. However, for the 2024 season, Hopper turned in an underwhelming 10 tackles. He was on the field for 49% of all special teams snaps and 1.8% of all defensive snaps. Pro Football Focus had a hard time grading him out as well, as he earned a 60.7 Overall Grade, 68.8 Run Defense Grade, and a 53.1 Coverage Grade. Hopper did not produce enough data to generate a Pass Rush Grade, but to my knowledge, I never saw him rush the passer either.
That was NOT what I was expecting, I mean sure, maybe sit a few games, and rotate here and there. But the only time Hopper saw actual defensive snaps, were the games against the 49ers, Seahawks, and Saints; games where the Packers handily dispatched their opponents. General Manager Brian Gutekunst said that he was looking for interchangeable guys, guys who could run, guys who could take on blockers...all traits that Hopper possesses coming out of the gritty SEC, but I never would have seen it as Hopper being a prime candidate to be stuck on teams.
While we're on the subject of Gutekunst, this has got to be another black eye for him from the fans, with two 3rd Round picks who essentially never saw the field. The other pick Marshawn Lloyd at least has the injury bug to blame for his redshirt season; as the Law Offices of Cooper, Wilson, Walker, & McDuffie kept Hopper only on the mind of Special Teams Coach Rich Bisaccia.
While I wasn't exactly expecting Hopper to turn into an instant star, I certainly hoped to walk away with some semblance of knowing Gute made the right choice. Don't get me wrong, I still think he did, but I'm sure many of you by now might disagree. What makes this more of a tragedy is like fellow languished pick Lukas Van Ness, Hopper has to go through the adversity of having two position coaches in as many years, with Anthony Campanile going off to Jacksonville to be their Defensive Coordinator. While I'm sure the majority of the "script" will remain the same so long as Jeff Hafley is in town, I do believe in the power of continuity within a coaching staff; hell it's one of the primary reasons college football players transfer (it was the reason Hopper transferred from Florida to Missouri!). If we are to see Hopper on the field for any real snaps, the next coaching hire by LaFleur is going to be paramount.
Speaking of those real snaps, they're coming real soon. Eric Wilson and Isaiah McDuffie are free agents, and there's no guarantee of them returning just yet. McDuffie turned in a 56.1/66.0/66.7/45.8 grade himself, while Eric Wilson turned in a 65.8/71.0/68.0/59.1 respectively. Just looking on the surface, that tells me McDuffie is very much replaceable. Wilson is a slightly different conundrum as he turns 31 in 2025 which may suggest the Packers are pondering on the idea of running it back with Wilson for one or two more seasons or if they'd rather upgrade through the Draft or Free Agency. If the Packers stand pat, we're probably looking at a 4-3 LB rotation of Cooper, Walker, Hopper ("The Ers" - get it?). We know Cooper is going to be an All-Pro sooner than later, and while you may not like Walker, the coaching staff still does (and I do believe in him as well), so that just leaves the question marks around Hopper for anyone not inside those hallowed halls at 1265.
The Draft is all about a projection....a three-year one at that. Should Hopper explode onto the scene, I'll definitely be back to say, "I told you so!". But the NFL, just like its fans is extremely fickle. It's a "what have you done for me lately" kind of place. As for Brian Gutekunst and the Packers, they certainly love to go in the opposite direction, but the success over the years has determined it's a winning formula. CheeseheadTV I know you want to call this Gem nothing more than a rock. But trust your friendly neighborhood football Gemologist, Hopper is only just slightly occluded, he'll shine in time.
And with that, I'll give you some new stones to fawn over next week.
#GPG
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Joseph has been an avid fan of the Green Bay Packers since 1997, citing an affinity for dairy products during his childhood and his favorite color, green. Born in Jacksonville, FL, Joseph currently is an Active Duty servicemember in the U.S. Armed Forces. Joseph considers himself a lifelong fan of the game of football, competing since his youth well into adulthood. When it comes to the Pack, Joseph is particularly impassioned about the NFL Draft and collegiate scouting process, and will contribute regularly on CHTV.com leading to that year's upcoming Draft. You can follow him on Twitter at @joeyreyallday.
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Comments (27)
TKWorldWide
February 03, 2025 at 07:49 pm
Give him time, and then we’ll see.
NFLfan
February 03, 2025 at 09:37 pm
Why is it pre-ordained that Walker and Hopper are guaranteed the LB position? Another content creator
on this site mentioned the same thing.
bjkdad44
February 03, 2025 at 10:14 pm
Get Kupp from the Rams… he’s available!!!
Renllaw
February 04, 2025 at 06:15 am
Depends on the price tag, but heck yeah. If Rams would do a player swap with a mid to low round pick I would be thrilled to see the Pack bring Kupp's experience into the WR room.
dobber
February 04, 2025 at 07:19 am
Wrong side of 30 and hasn't played more than 12 games in a season for four years. Too many soft tissue injuries, and wasn't fast to begin with. Doesn't separate like he used to. You can feed him when you've got someone else garnering all the attention, but he's not a WR1 anymore. Contract is prohibitive.
Hard pass for the price tag. If we want to live in the past with an oft injured guy, go get Adam Thielen...he'll cost much less. And, no, I'm really NOT saying the Packers should get Adam Thielen.
Packitin
February 04, 2025 at 09:46 am
Unless this is satire/sarcasm, downvote.
GregC
February 04, 2025 at 06:08 am
What's especially surprising about Hopper not playing is that he looked pretty good in the preseason games. I've heard that the coaching staff didn't trust his pass coverage abilities, and that's why they didn't play him. Also, McDuffie and Wilson played pretty well, and a third linebacker is not on the field most of the time, so they had a rotation of four players in front of Hopper. That should change this year, as either McDuffie or Wilson is likely to be gone.
jannesbjornson
February 04, 2025 at 07:10 am
Hopper's strong suit was pass coverage at Florida and Missouri. Stockholder wants Jiihad Campbell. One of Saban's recruits.
TKWorldWide
February 04, 2025 at 07:14 am
Sounds about right to me.
dobber
February 04, 2025 at 07:24 am
Agreed: he should have the opportunity to move up in the rotation, and LBs get dinged. This is why McDuffie (64%) and Wilson (51%) played as many snaps as they did even though the Packers played a lot of 5 DBs and took LBs off the field. You need depth there that can play. LBs are plentiful in the draft and they play STs. The Packers will likely draft one and have a few in camp as UDFAs, so there will be competition...which I like.
RCPackerFan
February 04, 2025 at 08:05 am
"While we're on the subject of Gutekunst, this has got to be another black eye for him from the fans, with two 3rd Round picks who essentially never saw the field. "
If we were to look back at the rookie year of this draft class they had 5 picks in the first 3 rounds. After this year, this class we can clearly say we have some home runs and a lot of questions.
Cooper was a homerun pick. He deserved to be in discussion for Rookie DPOY. He was fantastic down the stretch.
For different reasons we have questions in Morgan, Bullard, Lloyd, Hopper.
Morgan I believe only played in 6 games as a rookie. He got hurt and just couldn't overcome it. But he flashed talent and will most likely be a starter next year.
Bullard while was solid, I think struggled a bit with trying to play multiple positions. I think an offseason of playing one spot will help him a ton. He has good ability.
Lloyd flashed a ton of talent, but only played 1 game. He simply had bad luck with the injuries.
Hopper basically was a special teams only player. He had Cooper, Walker, McDuffie and Wilson above him. He could maybe be the guy in year 2 to take over.
For the rest of the draft Williams was another homerun pick. The rest were question marks.
Monk potentially could be a starter next year at OC. Or a key backup, or not make the team.
Oladapo is more of a question because he got hurt early and never really got a chance to flash his skills. But he did play in week 18 and I thought played well. He could have a role next year on the defense.
Glover saw action in the playoffs, and struggled. To be fair he went up against one of the best D lines and also was called for everything that other players got away with.
Pratt got let go.
King was a PS guy.
I feel like year 2 could be a huge year for this draft class. I feel like we could see a big impact made on the team from this class. Morgan, Cooper, Lloyd, Oladapo all were injured at one point which delayed how good they could be. This draft class could potentially feature 5 starters next year. Morgan, Cooper, Bullard, Lloyd, Williams. Oladapo I think has a chance to at the very least force them to find a role for him. Hopper potentially could be a starter depending on what else they do at LB. King could potentially find a role as well.
I feel like they didn't get a ton out of the rookie class in their rookie year but they have potential to be really good in the future.
TKWorldWide
February 04, 2025 at 10:59 am
All good, but do you think Lloyd will start next year?
Coldworld
February 04, 2025 at 12:15 pm
No. Jacobs will, health permitting. Lloyd brings a different dimension. That’s valuable in and of itself. My guess is that you have Jacobs (backed by Wilson) and then Lloyd as a more dual threat option we lacked this year active in the passing game and able to work outside the tackles.
RCPackerFan
February 04, 2025 at 12:15 pm
No. Sorry. i think i had a couple of thoughts going at once. I think he will play a significant role though.
I think he could be a starter in the future though.
SicSemperTyrannis
February 05, 2025 at 10:48 pm
Plus, we're still looking for development from the '23 picks.
NJ-RICK
February 04, 2025 at 08:31 am
As far as I'm concerned this is Gute's Last chance.... His drafting is sub par at best, obtaining Myles Garrett in free agency would make up for his lack of poor drafting..... I don't trust this GM I hope Policy his him on a short leach.
GPG.
RCPackerFan
February 04, 2025 at 09:27 am
While Gutey hasn't been the best drafter, he is far from being awful too.
Since becoming GM he has been in charge of 7 drafts and has drafted 82 players. 36 of them are still on the roster. 19 others (that I know of) are still in the NFL. To my knowledge of the 27 players that are not on an NFL roster 3 were 3rd round or higher picks. That's not horrible. Also his average draft position has been 21.
Some of the best players he has drafted are Alexander, Gary, Jenkins, Love, Slaton, Watson, Doubs, Tom, R Walker, Reed, Kraft, Wicks, Brooks, Valentine, Cooper, Williams. Some of these players might not be the best players overall, but at the spot where they were taking and what they got out of them has been very good value.
There are a bunch of other players that have been good players and these last couple of draft classes we won't truly know about for a couple of years.
I have seen a lot of comparisons to Howie Rosman. Lets compare the first and 2nd rounds with Philly and GB. But I am comparing pick position. Not who they drafted.
2021:
1st round - Phi 10 / GB 29
2nd round - Phi 37 / GB 62
2022:
1st round - Phi 13 / GB 22, 28
2nd round - Phi 51 / GB 34
2023:
1st round - Phi 9, 30 / GB 13
2nd round - Phi (none) / GB 42, 50
2024:
1st round - Phi 22 / GB 25
2nd round - Phi 40 / GB 45, 58
The common theme of each of the last 4 drafts is that Philly drafted earlier then GB with each pick. Obviously some picks were from trades and whatnot. But either way they had higher picks. What happens with higher picks. Usually it comes with better players.
To find the last time GB had a higher first round pick then Philly, you would have to go back to 2019. That year GB actually picked twice before Philly. They took Gary and Savage, where as Philly took Andre Dillard.
Since Gutey has taken over as GM, he has had 1 draft where he picked higher then Philly. And since Gutey has taken over he has had 2 picks in the top 15. 0 in the top 10. Philly has had 3 in the top 15 and 2 in the top 10. They have simply had better drafting positions.
Gutey has done a good job with the draft. I'm not saying perfect. But he has been good.
PackEyedOptimist
February 04, 2025 at 11:12 am
Yes!
I did the same thing comparing the Packers roster to the Lions, and the Lions picks averaged almost TWO ROUNDS EARLIER!
RCPackerFan
February 04, 2025 at 12:16 pm
Yeah definitely. I compared the Eagles mostly because i have seen the comparison with Howie. And also since we got beat by the Eagles and they are in the super bowl. I figured it was a pretty good comparison.
SicSemperTyrannis
February 05, 2025 at 10:51 pm
Considering the known risks Gutey took as part of his strategy, he did VERY well!
Razer
February 04, 2025 at 09:07 am
We are just not getting enough good football players from the drafts. Too many misses, particularly in the top 100. Is this Gutekunst trying to be the smartest man in the room, bad evaluation process or poor scouting? I get it that they want top athletes but that needs to be combined with smart football players. The college tape should give you the best insight into the true players. Trust the tape.
SicSemperTyrannis
February 05, 2025 at 10:52 pm
Ignore draft position, right?
LambeauPlain
February 04, 2025 at 09:07 am
Hopper "is like fellow languished pick Lukas Van Ness, Hopper has to go through the adversity of having two position coaches in as many years."
Actually LVN had the very same position coach for two years, the fired Rebrovich, who I feel did not coach up the entire DL much at all.
Hopper will have continuity if D assistant Sean Duggan, if, as rumored is promoted to replace Campanile as LB coach.
Duggan probably spent a lot of time with Hopper last season assisting with the LBs. Duggan is only 31 but has been coaching LBs at the collegiate and pro levels for several years.
Hopefully, with more playing time, Sophomore Hopper will jump up several rungs like Kraft did with many more snaps in his 2nd season.
Too soon to label him as a miss. Way too soon. Hafley, with his vision and break, play fast D needs to fully trust his starters in their assignments and it is a challenge for rookies. Even Cooper has to bide his time while earning trust for more playing time. Williams too as Bullard was going to be X's wingman to start but with more play, Williams took over.
barutanseijin
February 04, 2025 at 03:23 pm
With the exception of QBs, guys who are healthy and barely get snaps are unlikely to blossom suddenly into All-Pros. The coaches put him on the bottom of the depth chart because he wasn’t showing them enough in practice
GregC
February 04, 2025 at 04:55 pm
Nobody said Hopper is going to be an All Pro. We just want him to be a good player. It was disappointing, but not outrageously so, for him to get stuck behind a couple of wily vets in the LB rotation. He'll get his chance to shine next year.
barutanseijin
February 04, 2025 at 08:29 pm
Let me put it this way: the guy was either not doing what he was supposed to in practice & scrimmages or he was just unable to do it. Either way, the coaches decided they didn’t want to risk putting him in games. Guys who show next to nothing as rookies rarely show anything much later. He’s going to have to make a case for himself in training camp. At this point he’s not even at “just a guy level “, he’s a waste of a roster spot.
Joemailman
February 04, 2025 at 06:26 pm
Hopper was my least favorite Packer pick from the 2024 draft. Thought it was a real reach. Still, it's way too early to give up on Hopper. But I didn't find it encouraging that with the injuries to Cooper and Walker he didn't see increased playing time on defense. Apparently he hadn't been able to convince the coaching staff he was ready for meaningful plays on defense.