With Joe Barry gone, it is getting harder to ignore the elephant in the room when it comes to the continued disappointment on defense.

Josh Jackson, Savage, Stokes Quay, Wyatt, LVN are all high draft picks who have not played up to their draft status.

Oh, and Rashan Gary and Jaire Alexander are Gute's two best defensive picks and they might currently be the most overpaid players at Edge and CB in the NFL.

Gute has done much better acquiring veterans like Z and Preston Smith, Amos, Campbell (for 1 season at least), Rasul, and McKinney to play defense.

But his drafting on defense ... yuck.

You're talking about censorship because a handful of people have down-voted your comment?

That's not censorship, that's other people using their freedom to express they don't agree with your comment.

This particular fan forum is almost entirely allowed to express thoughts freely without intervention. It is rare that moderation is required or applied here- typically only when the conversation drifts off the topic of sports and into the political realm or blatant hate- and even then, it is usually the last resort.

While it is true that too many down votes can hide your comment from users that have selected the "see fan friendly comments only" option, that is -their- personal choice to do so, and is not the default.

I understand your annoyance with those who simply down vote and move on without any dialogue or discourse, but this had zero to do with censorship. You haven't said anything remotely "risky" that would put them up for consideration of removal.. No one is stopping you from expressing yourself.. that's just melodramatic.

I rarely down vote anyone, and I didn't downvote this, but I'll try to shed some light.

We're 14th in Pressure %. That's average-ish, just like the 49ers, Steelers, Bills, and Ravens. We're 9th in pressure percentage, and the top 5 are Dallas, Detroit, Minnesota, Rams and Chiefs. Draw your own conclusion about the validity of those measures.

Walker and LVN are on the field because they're some of our better defenders. There's nobody on the practice squad, or on the street, or hiding out in a janitor's closet who's better. If you want to believe the backups are better, go for it, but the professionals who've worked with these guys for months don't agree with you. Walker leads the team in tackles. Do you know how many players in the NFL are the leading tackler on a Top 10 defense? 10. That's it.

Let's talk about the CB room honestly: We dress 5 CBs. When the season started, that would include Often Injured Alexander, Often Injured Stokes, Nixon, Valentine, and Ballentine. If everybody is healthy, that's a pretty decent group. But that happens about as often as my brother-in-law picking up the check at dinner, so we play who we've got. I thought we'd draft a corner instead of a RG in the first round, but we didn't.

You can look at the various measures, like completion %, opposing passer rating, interceptions, and we're pretty average-ish despite all the injuries.

You like to slam the defense. We're 10th in scoring defense, despite everything. Despite none of our players being any good, and our HC not being any good, and our DC's never being any good. If you take away Love's two pick sixes, we're giving up under 20 ppg. We held the Lions to 17.

Can you address that? How are the Packers able to achieve what they've done, defensively, with 'chicken feathers'? IMO, you can't. The only explanation is that the coaches and players are better than you understand.

Since you ask:

Your comment did not address the topic. Instead, you pulled out your list of gripes with various players not named Valentine and the front office.

Who cares if you get downvoted. I don’t. I probably have the record for downvotes, well, maybe second to stockholder. Nobody really knows diddley on this site, including myself. If we did we’d be working in the FO of an NFL team making some real bucks and not wasting time in here. If people don’t like what I say, they can lump it. Take it down the road and dump it.

@SH-Alexander is sand-bagging and it is about the weak Pass Rush. That is the truth.

Who is the 'secondary'-Nixon and Valentine?

Walker tackles 'after the fact' and does not have the comprehension skills necessary to be in a leadership position on D.
He is athletically gifted and could be used in a less strategic position.

As far as Walker goes, he is the leading tackler. But most of the tackles take place after the first down has been achieved. He is also a liability in coverage, and always seems a step or two slow getting to the play. What he has is raw physical ability. What he lacks are instincts, a feel for the game, analyzing and blowing up plays at or near the LOS. That he is the defensive play caller is not a great plan. Too much responsibility for someone who should be concentrating on adjusting to the pro game, rather than passing along Hafley's defensive schemes to the rest of the team.

Scrub Talk.

The kid from Kansas, Cobee Bryant, is an outstanding Cover Corner. His running mate is pretty good, too.
I would draft three CBs, Rounds One through Four, to replenish the perimeter. Remember Walsh WON a superbowl with three rookie DBs in the starting lineup. The trench is not a problem when the guy is 1:1 with the runner at the one yard line and whiffs on the plug, giving up the TD.

Valentine is a Day 3 pick who played about as well as you could reasonably hope for as a rookie. He hasn't gotten on the field as much this year because we play 3 safeties, Nixon, and Stokes. quite a bit of the time.

The pass rush would benefit from a secondary that could cover for another half- second. We're 9th in pressure percentage, and every game has plays where just a little better coverage would have been a sack. You could line up Reggie White, Deacon Jones, and Lawrence Taylor, but unless guys are covered, the QB will just throw it to an open guy before they can get to him.

You can never have too many guys who can cover and tackle. I would have rather had a CB than a RG in the first.

You should check your facts before you say stuff like that.

9th in pressure %. We have 25 sacks in 10 games, and four of the teams that are just ahead of us have played one more game, so we're clearly above average in that measure. Same story on tackles for loss.

I remember how much our pass rush improved when we acquired Woodson. It's amazing what a difference an extra half-second of coverage makes.

This article has nothing to do with Quay Walker.

OMG!! He has negatives!!! I thought first round picks were supposed to be perfect, or pretty close.

A scouting report from how many years ago? How many practices? How much coaching? And all he's doing is leading the team in tackles. Everybody responsible for this should be staked out over an anthill and then get stepped on by an elephant.!!!

Seriously, there's a book, it's called The Bell Curve. I'd encourage people to read it if they haven't already

Edit: I was being sarcastic. I didn't realize there was an actual book called that which uses the bell curve to support an argument that I think is just plain wrong in some of the prime assumptions.

fangirl, here's what I see. I see a former 49ers fan who gave up on her team because the QB position was in flux for a number of seasons. Under the guise of appreciating a generational talent in Aaron Rodgers, you became a Rodgers fan and spent some time at TC in Green Bay. Since, you've been searching for an audience here at CHTV for whatever reason. In the past you've implored Packers fans to rise up in the face of their learned helplessness and overthrow the defective Board of Directors. You shared all the feels about what Matt LaFleur is and isn't as a man and a coach. You've ventured out as a self-appointed rebel in search of a cause.

Last season you were stuck on how our CBs needed to "block better." You had not yet integrated "CB room" into your lexicon, so your go-to was to call them out for "poor blocking." This season, you have taken on Jaire and Rashan as your personal projects to expose as lazy, money-grabbing frauds who must be banished. You've added Kenny Clark to that group now as well. Now I see, per your keen eye, that Jaire is "sand-bagging" with a torn PCL. What's that all about? Have you ever been in any situation where teammates depend upon each other and work toward a goal?

Your posts consistently regurgitate some form of faux outrage about wasted draft capital, no pass rush, uppity players with no character, Gute as a mouth-breathing miscreant, and how "we" need to do something about it. I'd venture you're not getting the replies you crave because you post the same content ad nauseum. Are you hoping for a day when you win the internet with 100% upvotes? Maybe you're craving that reply that says "yes, Gute brought us here to this hellhole of a 7-3 team with no pass rush and lazy, low-character players, and you are 100% correct fangirl, here's a donut and a Certificate of Appreciation." Get a grip, FFS!

As far as your use of "we," I'm going to close with a quote from my high school industrial arts teacher. Whenever someone in the class, a teenager who knew it all, spoke for anyone other than themselves by using "we", Mr. N would say "We? What you got a turd in your pocket?"

Annoying.