Packers Lack Depth on the Interior Offensive Line
By GilMartin

The Green Bay Packers head into the 2024 offseason with high hopes. The team surprised a lot of people with their strong finish that earned them a playoff berth. They even beat the Dallas Cowboys convincingly in the playoffs before nearly pulling off an upset against the eventual NFC champion San Francisco 49ers.
But the team still has some needs to fill as we head into this offseason. One of them is the interior of the offensive line. The team has only one starter on the interior line who has graded out well and that is left guard Elgton Jenkins. Jenkins appears to have fully recovered from the knee injury he suffered in 2021 and is once again playing at a high level.
But the other two positions along the interior have major questions. Center Josh Myers has started all 17 games over the past two seasons, but he has yet to match the expectations for a second-round pick.
Myers graded out as below average among qualified centers by Pro Football Focus. In fact, he was close to the bottom of the list of ranked centers. Both his run blocking and pass blocking were at about the same level and neither were good.
The former Ohio State star is entering the final year of his rookie contract and will be back with the team next year. Despite Myers’ availability, the Packers could certainly use an upgrade at the position.
There is no depth at the center position. The next players on the depth chart are either starters at other positions, like Jenkins or right tackle Zach Tom, or are unlikely to be back with the team next season. Even if Myers remains the starter, more depth is needed at center.
The right guard position is also up in the air. Jon Runyan was the starter again for the third consecutive year. Unfortunately for Runyan, 2023 was a struggle on the field. His run blocking, which was never his strong point, regressed even further. This was especially true in the first half of the season. His pass blocking was also not as good as it had been in the past.
Runyan’s rookie deal is over, and he is scheduled to be an unrestricted free agent next month. While he is a serviceable starting guard, he is not expected to re-sign with the Packers who will likely be looking for an upgrade at the position. Runyan expressed a desire to return to Green Bay, it would make more sense financially for the Packers to find a cheaper alternative with more potential.
During the season, the Packers started to rotate 2022 third-round pick Sean Rhyan into the lineup for several series each game. Rhyan clearly made progress over his disappointing rookie season, but he still needs work. He graded out lower than Runyan in both pass blocking and run blocking. His run blocking is his strong point. The UCLA alum needs to work on his pass blocking technique to establish himself as a starter in the NFL.
Rhyan played tackle in college and the change of position plus the step up to the pro game have been an adjustment for him. While Rhyan has some promise, it is still not clear if he is good enough to start at right guard for the Packers next season.
The only experienced player on the depth chart after Rhyan is Royce Newman. Newman struggled as a starter in his rookie year and has not progressed in the two seasons since then. Any time he has been put into the lineup, the team struggled to block for the run and the overall line play dropped off. Newman had even lower grades than both Runyan and Rhyan. He may not even make the team in 2024 and is certainly not ready to start.
That leaves Brian Gutekunst with several options. It would be wise to add a guard or two in the draft to upgrade the position. Typically, the Packers select college tackles and convert them to guard, so look for them to add some players to the roster that way.
Gutekunst could also re-sign Runyan on a team-friendly, short-term deal, or he could go out and sign another moderately priced free agent who could provide the team with some experience at the position while the draftees develop.
Either way, the interior of the offensive line is an area that definitely needs upgrades in 2024 if the Packers hope to be true contenders.
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Comments (42)
Turophile
February 17, 2024 at 12:43 pm
Center or right guard first ?
Powers-Johnson, Frazier, Van Pran................
or Haynes, Fautanu, Beebe
SicSemperTyrannis
February 17, 2024 at 01:28 pm
All viable options. All might be gone by #25.
I'd like to see draft prioritize O line, and FA add S and RB.
ZEKE! Can you imagine #33 and Zeke in our backfield?!? I love the combination of #33 and 28 on the field at the same time but all season I said they might not both be back in '24, and towards the end of the season it became increasingly clear that trying to use them both correctly is simply above MLF's ability while he's also trying to be HC.
It will be interesting to see what they do ...
Leatherhead
February 17, 2024 at 04:02 pm
Turo.....when you put together your line, you start with LT, because he protects the backside of the QB. They get paid the most money and they line up across from incredible athletes every week. Next is Center, because he handles the ball on every play and adjusts the blocking assignment. A good Center makes both guards better.
Then comes RT, where we current have a very good player in Tom. Then LG, where we have another very good player in Jenkins.
RG is always going to be the least important spot on the offensive line. Ron Wolf famously said that he could find a RG anywhere.
So first, the Packers are going to have to decide about LT. IS Walker the real deal, or should we draft a starter and make Walker a backup? Or should we move Tom to LT? If we're talking about drafting a starter, we're probably talking about pick #25.
Once that decision about the LT spot is made, the other stuff can be worked out. I'd rather draft a guy who could beat out Walker and let Tom stay where he is. I'd also draft a replacement for Myers, who is in the last year of his contract and will probably not return. Do you think we could get a starting level OC at #88?
dblbogey
February 17, 2024 at 07:24 pm
This is from The Sporting news. There are 5 Off. Tackles in the top 25 prospects, the top guard is rated #29. Jackson Powers-Johnson, G, Oregon (6-6, 320 pounds)
....."plays with great power and quickness as a top-flight run blocker who can grow in pass protection."
Johnson/Zach Tom could be a powerful run blocking unit, but yea, we've got to upgrade Myers as well and also draft A. Jones' back up and eventual replacement. If we have half as good a draft as Gute did last year, I'll be happy, because that was exceptional.
Coldworld
February 18, 2024 at 08:20 am
I find it hard to believe that a true plus LT prospect will fall to us. That rarely happens with LTs. The position is too valuable and the supply too limited. When it does, those players often are overlooked gems taken in day 2.
Of course the draft is unpredictable, but I do not want to see us trade up for a LT. We have too many other needs. We need our picks for S, ILB, IOL, slot, RB and CB. If the draft doesn’t give at LT, don’t force it.
EricTorkelson
February 18, 2024 at 08:35 am
Totally agree Leatherhead, forget about the safety folks... Draft a solid heavy right takle at #25 and move Tom to the left side, or draft a LT if a good one is still available...Protecting Love is priority 1
Turophile
February 19, 2024 at 06:18 am
Best chance of a center at 88 at this time (if you go by mock drafts rankings) is Van Pran, who is often rated in the mid to late 70's. He started a few months back being rated at about pick 40-50, but has slid since then.
MooPack
February 17, 2024 at 12:51 pm
Many have said this ad nauseum, including myself, Zach Tom's best position is Center, where he was projected coming out and Gute alluded to. I had Tom in all my pre draft mocks, but as a Center. Is he a good RT? Yes, for this team, because they have nothing better and he came better than advertised. But, I believe he would be a Pro-Bowl level Center. They can get an even better RT in this draft, such as King Sua. Kill two positions with one draft pick. That, to me is a no brainer. Two starting positions upgraded with Myers going backup to increase depth. Then grab a true RG in Cooper Beebe. That would be 3 starting OL positions upgraded, for the price of two, for a very long time and two depth positions with Myers at C and Rhyan at G. Leave Jenkins where he is. A Pro-bowl level LG if fully healthy. That could be a very good OL from Jenkins -> all the way right.
This is the best OL draft I've seen in a very long time. Don't waste it relying on 4th or later line picks just because they've found some outliers in the past. That is not sustainable strategy long term or you end up where they are now. Average+ in one area, but not dominate all areas.
You could also go the LT route, but most of those will be gone earlier in the draft. Jordan Morgan is probably the best true LT that would be left. I wouldn't mind that option, but it solves less. More moving parts, especially if still moving Tom to C. Then Walker would have to go right. I think King Sua is the better player and option than Jordan Morgan.
jannesbjornson
February 17, 2024 at 01:29 pm
I Still take Morgan as the LT, if all the primo CB/Safeties are off the board by #25. Move Walker to RT and slide Tom inside. Two birds with one stone philosophy you presented with Sua. The guard depth can land in Rd four with Coleman. Layden Robinson from Texas A&M, is moving up boards.
MooPack
February 17, 2024 at 01:50 pm
I like Jordan Morgan quite a bit, but Kingsley Suamataia is better, imo. Also, Huddle Report just came out with their updated Big Board standings yesterday and King Sua has moved up to where Morgan was at the bottom of the 1st and Morgan dropped to #50.
I'm of the philosophy that you take the better player at a slightly lesser position than the lesser player at the slightly more important position. In this case it's not apples to oranges anymore. LT vs. RT is not the big difference that it used to be. You better have above average players at both. Too many good rushers being moved around by Def schemes these days makes them pretty close to equal.
SicSemperTyrannis
February 17, 2024 at 01:31 pm
BRILLIANT!
Turophile
February 17, 2024 at 03:14 pm
I have to disagree with this MooPack. If a guy can play as well as Tom did at RT, then positional value says you keep him there..........and the way he is playing, he could be a Pro-Bowl level RT/LT (I'm not sure which is the best place for Walker and Tom, who should be LT and who at RT).
I'd rather see Elgton Jenkins at Center than Tom (though I think the best solution of all is that another prospect is drafted). It's not that Myers doesn't have talent, it is that he is inconsistent, which is borderline criminal for an O lineman.
MooPack
February 17, 2024 at 05:23 pm
Ok, don't mind disagreement. It's good we bounce ideas off each other. I have a question though. If you want to keep Zach Tom where he is at because he "could be a Pro-Bowl level RT/LT" for positional value, why would you move Jenkins who is a 2x proven Pro-Bowler at LG?
Turophile
February 18, 2024 at 02:07 am
I don't really want to move Jenkins, I just pointed out I'd rather do that than move an OT to Center. However, I do consider Center to have a higher positional value than left guard, so there is some merit to it.
As I said earlier, my preferred option is to draft a new Center and leave Elgton where he is.
jannesbjornson
February 18, 2024 at 09:30 am
Veach gives Andy Reid veterans who were pro bowlers to fill spots like Thuney , then he bagged a former #1 in Jawann Taylor to fill the RT. Trey Smith was a steal to cover the RG spot taken as a #6 pick when he was carrying a #1 grade until his heart ailment scared off Some personnel depts. The Creed Humphrey whiff is inexcusable.
The archive shows the Fan's discontent during that particular moment in 2021 draft.
Doofapotamus
February 17, 2024 at 12:54 pm
I think we can all agree that we want to see Newman off of the team. We need an upgrade at C and we definitely need a stronger O-line to maul in the run game. There are plenty of talented and big mauler-style O-line man in this draft. I would love to see Powers-Jonhson and Mims come to GB with our first two picks. I also wouldn't be upset if either of them made it and were followed up by Nubin or Kinchens. One thing is also certain, we need more talent at LB this year especially with the new 4-3 being established. There are plenty of talented LB's as well, so an ideal draft for GB would be something to the extent of T, G, S, LB and CB, in no particular order, in the first 3 rounds.
SicSemperTyrannis
February 17, 2024 at 01:23 pm
For all the positions of need to address in this draft, the entire offense can do no better than the O line. This MUST be priority #1, which does not mean I'm saying that the highest 3 picks need to go to it. If only 7 O linemen return, Gutey indeed needs to add 3, all of whom need to be good.
It's possible they bring back Bakh on a team friendly deal with a cap hit of less than $2MM (plus the $19MM cap hit that's unavoidable no matter what) that pays him the guaranteed injury amount of over $2MM if he were cut, plus a negotiated amount per full game played. I'd love to see it! I'm not predicting this happens. It's possible they bring back JRJ on a team friendly deal; he seems to bleed green and gold, and he played injured for some unknown amount of the season which means improved play is guaranteed simply based on off-season recovery. The ONLY depth on the interior is between him and Sean Rhyan, however they manage that. Newman needs to be gone. Nijman will not return no matter what, why should he?
As critical as I've been of Josh Myers all season, he was playing hurt for much of it so improvement there is also certain. Even so, he improved during the season. I still want to see legitimate competition for the position. Is it impossible for Zach Tom to play his best at C due to how long he's been away from it? Gutey clearly drafted him as a C and it seems there has been a substantial disconnect between how he drafts and how MLF utilizes. The addition of a new DC might improve that, or the added variable might make all that worse. Right now is when these three can be creating the DYNASTY we all want to see, by putting their heads together and collaborating well. It seems to me that this is a strength of MLF. Competition for the starting C position between Josh Myers, Zach Tom, and a rookie drafted specifically to play C seems ideal to me, as long as favoritism doesn't enter into it and merit determines the roster. That clearly is not what happened from TC to week 1, and Nijman may not have been the only one on the O line who was done dirty.
There are 4 OTs on the roster not named Tom or Bakhtiari, at 6'6" 6'7" 6'8" & 6'9". If they refuse to play them why give them a roster spot? Why draft people that big if your best two are both 6'4"? I don't have answers to this, but Gutey and MLF need to. Mt Caleb dominated at TC. In 2022 I wanted to see 3 of them called in on third or fourth and short to block for Quadzilla running it up the middle. Instead we were treated to the drive ending via trying to thread needles from a mile away. Even if it didn't work you'd at least have film on these guys to help with the "draft and develop" idea, and maybe it would've worked and marched right down the field for a TD? The only way to know is to try. Without that GB is just wasting talent, much like Chicago does with QB. Speaking of which, hopefully they burn their #1 pick on another QB who they destroy, rather than simply improving around Fields. They aren't winning a championship either way.
GPG!
jannesbjornson
February 17, 2024 at 01:33 pm
These tall guys have little Bend. TC is not the live stuff on Sundays. If Caleb was so dominant, why was he sitting on the P squad all season?
Coldworld
February 17, 2024 at 05:57 pm
He was not, he was on the active roster. That was Telfort. Tenuta was on IR.
dobber
February 17, 2024 at 07:51 pm
Since Milt Hendrickson came to GB, they've been very enamored with these magnum T with super-long wingspans as developmental pieces.
My opinion of Jones in camp last year was that he seemed slow footed and "lungey" (if that's a word) in the passing game. He seemed to be playing way out over his toes. Still, with his wingspan, it takes a long time to get 'round him.
jannesbjornson
February 18, 2024 at 09:43 am
Maybe Tenuta shows up on the roster as a backup? They can draft two guys for the O line and sign a group of UDFA to compete for a Job. The College game is about motion. The O linemen have to learn smash mouth in the Pros.
LLCHESTY
February 17, 2024 at 01:51 pm
Tall guys normally don't make great drive blockers. I'd much rather have 6'-5" guy with long arms than a 6'-8" playing tackle is you want to run the ball.
Coldworld
February 18, 2024 at 09:26 am
There is a difference between tall build and just massive. I accept that blocking is in part about leverage but it’s also about inertia. A truly large guy who can bend enough can be very effective.
jannesbjornson
February 18, 2024 at 09:48 am
6'-2 to 6'-4 guys have an advantage getting under the defender's Pads. Low-man wins.
PhantomII
February 17, 2024 at 02:00 pm
With all the Packers lack of DB talent and depth...It is the OL lack of Size / Strength / Mean streak that has been our stumbling block against Elite Defenses like SF. When we CAN exert our will in the run game and pass game without relying on TE's to chip block every snap against a 4 man DL...We will find ourselves in the NFCC game annually with a chance to thrash the competition. We cannot use our offense to run routes with a combination of a couple WR's and maybe a TE against top end talented defenses while we are having to use 7 guys to block 4 DL. It's a matter of numbers and THIS is the root cause of our perennial failures at the worst time against the best teams. Bad ass OL / Couple really good smart DB's and Hog DL and 1- great complimentary RB to Jones with a little more weight behind him with some twitch and burst and we will put the hurt on the NFC and Victory in the SB. GPG....
splitpea1
February 17, 2024 at 02:01 pm
The Packers may lack depth on the IOL right now, but it shouldn't be sending any alarm bells off. Keep in mind the Packers allowed the third-fewest sacks at 30 and the running game finished slightly above the league average for the season. That being said, what would really be helpful is that short yardage power in the middle for first downs and the goal line.
There are some candidates both in free agency and the draft that fit the bill, but the question is how high of a priority it should be. Gute is the wild card here in this. How strongly does he believe in some of these guys? Or is a tackle going to be too tantalizing to pass up in the draft, thereby necessitating a shift in the OL, which may be beneficial. A lot of people seems to like Jackson PJ, but is Gute ready to draft a replacement at center, and one this high? Who knows?
I think we need to be prioritizing our defensive needs with most of out first five picks. The secondary needs highly talented prospects if it's going be successful with the new defense and we're also going to need help at ILB if Campbell isn't re-signed.
Leatherhead
February 17, 2024 at 03:11 pm
''''I think we need to be prioritizing our defensive needs with most of out first five picks.'''''
I think if we improve the offensive line and add a good RB, we'll score enough points that most teams won't be able to keep up. When the change was made, they emphasized there wasn't going to be a lot of personnel turnover. Either our defense needed a new DC, or we needed better players. Which is it? I mean, we were the #10 scoring defense in the league and we crushed the Cowboys at home in the playoffs. They fired the coach. That must mean they think that somebody else can do better with what they have.
I think we'll probably get help for the secondary in the draft, but at least 3 of those first five picks should go to the line and RB.
stockholder
February 17, 2024 at 02:46 pm
I NO LONGER want a tackle turned into guard.
So if most scouts project these Ots to be guards.
"Because of their Reach". Etc. Pass!
I want true guards -
If they won't resign Runyon.
And as long as Newman and Rhyan struggle.
Not to mention others drafted by Gute.
The best solution is to avoid Ots available @25.
The true athletic guy failed too.
If you remember Spriggs.
And the way Gutey patched the RT after Bulaga.
Maybe the best play is to sign a FA for the OL.
After all Turner was better than Runyon.
LLCHESTY
February 17, 2024 at 02:58 pm
Tonyan?🤔🤣
stockholder
February 17, 2024 at 03:00 pm
Thanks - fixed it.
Coldworld
February 18, 2024 at 08:29 am
Turner really wasn’t better than Runyon over the longer term. Runyon had a big drop off for the first 3/4 of the games this year. Turner had a very poor season this year with the jets though too, though he was playing T. He was worse than Nijman this year in fact.
jannesbjornson
February 18, 2024 at 09:52 am
Spriggs was another failed experiment bagging a guy who started as a TE in college. First Red Flag. I want guys who learned the position from grade seven football, forward. Why did you bring him up?
BAMABADGER
February 17, 2024 at 03:03 pm
Cooper Beebe in the second. Set at right tackle for a decade.
Leatherhead
February 17, 2024 at 03:04 pm
We dress 9 and have another one or two on the practice squad. We start 5 of those 9, and the other four have to be good enough to start if somebody else is hurt.
Right now, Tom and Jenkins are plus starters.
Walker and Myers are average-ish.
Rhyan has been getting prepared for two years now, and he's a Day 2 pick.
Runyan could be resigned on the cheap.
So that's six. We need 9. IMO, two of those guys should be Top 100 picks. It's not just depth, it's quality of starters. By bringing in better starters, our starters become backups and that improves the depth.
The team that does the best job protecting the QB usually wins the game.
Coldworld
February 18, 2024 at 08:33 am
Walker is ascending and was above average for the second half of the season by som margin. Myers is consistently at replacement level depth grades. The constant desire if some to massage less bad to barely average as a long term celebrated positive is baffling. The uptick in play late was mostly at RG compared with Runyon through November. That in itself might account for Myers improvement.
With Walker the question us can he sustain and grow such that we pencil him in as a starter. With Myers it is a question of looking now to find a better alternative, ideally, or at least to have one to back him up and get ready for next year when his rookie contract expires.
Behind those we have Rhyan who is still something of a question entering his 3rd year and nothing. That’s not sustainable. Right now Rhyan is starting and behind that front 5 there is no other interior IOL body under contract that we know anything about. That’s a ridiculously large hole in an absolute sense and also in terms of competition.
brenner
February 17, 2024 at 11:46 pm
Depth across the entire ol must be addressed, not just the interior.. db needs to be addressed first, but I'd be fine with the next few picks on the ol. I like Morgan from AZ and Haynes from uconn.
If Tom moves to c then maybe walker at rt. Add another rt candidate and a c later..
Newmann and Myers could get replaced.
ArlenWilliams
February 18, 2024 at 01:44 am
Josh Myers seemed to improve as last season went on. Zach Tom is a natural center. Shucks. Why not move him to guard and give huge, long-armed, strong Caleb Jones a chance?
Bitternotsour
February 18, 2024 at 10:44 am
Center is more than a physical position, and you have no idea if Zach Tom is a NFL center. None of us do. We have some indication that he's a Tackle. He plays tackle, he starts at tackle.
I'm willing to make a bold prediction, Zach Tom is a tackle.
The Packers will have a second center on the roster, it won't be Tom. That player will likely come via the draft. The Packers plan for succession, and Myer's contract is up after 2024. A second center is coming.
Coldworld
February 18, 2024 at 01:41 pm
He has played C in college and I think has played all positions in practice and has taken a snap or two at all of them in games. In addition to the physical challenges in doing that, there’s a vast learning curve as to assignments etc. I have little doubt that Tom has the mental ability to play C as well as the physical.
However, it’s harder to find athletes able to play T than at C. For that reason, now that we have the chance, we should look to find a C who can master leverage as well as calls. If we instead find a premium T then Tom to C would be back on in my opinion despite not being the ideal in my mind. Get the best 5 out there.
Bitternotsour
February 18, 2024 at 03:27 pm
My understanding is he played center as a freshman, and was a tackle thereafter. You want to convert a player whose proven pro experience is as a tackle, who has one season as an 18 year old as a center, and move him into a foreign position in a very sophisticated NFL offense, well, I'm not thinking that is a wise use of resources.
That's just me.
Bitternotsour
February 18, 2024 at 03:32 pm
I contend that Myers is vastly improved when they get the right guard sorted (now that Jenkins appears to be recovered from his injuries).
WD
February 18, 2024 at 11:34 am
Earlier in the season I felt the O-line needed new players. However, toward the end of the season the line improved markedly in both pass blocking and the running game. I agree the Packers need depth on the O-line and that is what the middle rounds are for. Critical needs and starters are needed at Safety/CB, LB and RB if they can't sign AJ Dillon. Bottom line: first three picks ( first and second round) for defense. Third round a premier RB. After that, assess for the best available O- lineman. It is premature at this time to give names because of the two big variables. 1) the combine. 2) playing the draft as it comes to us. It is important. What the Packers do during free agency and the draft will determine their success for next season.