The Fumbles have to stop.

Wonder if MaLF is considering bringing in his brother, now that he's been fired by the Jets? I know I couldn't work with my brother, but maybe having his brother around to point out his shortcomings could head off some of these problems at the pass.

Maybe having his brother around as OC or Passing game Coordinator, working in tandem together, MaLF could become a better HC overall? Play design!? MaLF needs a some help for sure, maybe his brother is the answer? IDK

IMO the Packers downward spiral in the Redzone came when Tonyan got hurt. In 2020 Tonyan had 11 TD's. The last 2 years he has had 4 total.

I think its pretty simple. If they want to improve in the endzone they have to get more threats at the TE position!

I think next year will improve with Watson and Doubs having a year under their belts. But, they need to improve the TE position to have real threats in the redzone as well as the downfield passing game.

The thumb wasn't the issue in the games so much. The lack of practice with his WRs during the weeks before games might have been more of an issue.

The line didn't practice much together all year either.

They kept saying the vets didn't need to, but what about the guys around them? Isn't it hard to know what the other guy's going to do if you don't practice it in game type situations against a D that looks like the one you're going to play?

If the Head Cheerleader stays, which is likely, he needs to take strong managerial action like Jets HC - Robert Saleh. He fired his offensive staff which included MLF's brother. This after two years of offensive floundering. The same can be said about the 2 years of GB Packer defensive floundering. In addition, MLF needs to look deep into the mirror for the offensive malaise.

Predictability.
A Defense can certainly get beat between the 20's by a predictable Offense, but a predictable Offense cannot beat a Defense with that same predictable Offense in a restricted area like the RZ. Adams offset that predictability in the RZ. Watson, even with his TDs, wasn't a RZ TD threat. Lazard needs a Defensive breakdown to make him a factor, and why the run doesn't instill the same confidence. Lastly, what about the OL play in the RZ vs between the 20's? That's another game in itself, also, that a Defense can manipulate easier because of predictability. MLF and Rodgers are now, both predictable.

The redzone is the most compressed field an offense will see. The Packers had problems all year opening up the field and defenses knew it. Now with even less area for the defense to be concerned with the offense ground to a halt. Additional personnel isn't the solution, but a complete change in their approach to the offense. I really don't think MLF has it in his DNA to make the necessary adjustments so a new OC is needed, but that doesn't mean we need another La Poodle or going back to Hackett, but if the choice comes down to MLF playcalling, MiLF, or Hackett, I would vote Hackett every time. The thing that may get lost in the Packers leadership is that THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS.

Like many fans, I feel that GB badly needs a new OC especially in trips into the red zone. But MLF, of course, won't want to change out Steno because, well, that would mean CHANGE and admitting that another of his coaching choices was flawed once again. Sigh... I would love to see Hackett back in GB at least as an offensive consultant. He works well with Rodgers and has good red zone schemes. And better yet, when the "same old suspects" fail again - with old band back together again - in GB in 2023, only then will GBs' FO realize that MLF must go. And this could then be Hacketts' chance again at being a HC. Hopefully, he would have learned from his failure in Denver and be a better HC as a result. I guess we all have our dreams. GPG

I missed this when I first read the article:

“There is a lot we have to study this offseason,” LaFleur told reporters."Whether it was poor play design, or lack of execution or all of the above, it wasn’t good enough. We did a piss-poor job in the red zone. I’ve said it before, sometimes you kick enough field goals, and you’ll get yourself beat. That’s kinda what happened.”

That is the issue in a nutshell. He needs weeks of film review to have any idea what they did right and wrong (I'm assuming he does get it, but that is up for debate). At this level you need a Head Coach who can make those conclusions faster and sometimes, you know, during the game (*gasp* from MLF). His "instant" analysis is that maybe they kicked too many field goals. Ahhhh, no. Here is a HC who is six feet tall standing at the bottom of the marianis trench trying to spot the surface. i.e. he is way out of his depth. Unfortunately, MLF isn't just challenged coming up with analyzing results he also seems to struggle with identifying which players have potential without a mound of data. Zack Tom showed me enough in training camp/preseason that he needed to get snaps, but MLF double dipped with Jake Hanson and Royce Newman. Amari Rodgers? Does it take that long for MLF to "get it"? Sammy Watkins? He was done the day he had his first snaps with the Packers. Why even gameplan around him, they could have just elevated Winfree and got better results. He just doesn't get it.

Okay. It pains me to even think that all the coaches will be back next year along with all the same players with restructuring contracts and pushing us even further into a dark cap abyss. We can only hope now that the coaches and FO understand that if they fail yet again, it will have been their last dance as well. If they feel that their seats are hot, maybe they all grow a pair, put a shock collar on Rodgers, play aggressively on defense, MLF delegating his play calling, while actually paying attention to the f’n game and stop waving his arms to the fans like we’re stupid and don’t know when to be loud.

Gil, I understand that you are trying to be positive in this situation when many of us think that the Change is needed to be done immediately.

I do expect nothing new if coaching staff stays as it was last season (and season before). Well, I think ST will improve further, but O and D will be worse. That means worse record next season than this season.

As just finished (for Packers and rest of 18 teams) seasons went game by game I become more contra MLF because of his softness, play calling and game plans. It looked like the coaching staff did not watch opponents and preparing game plans for each opponent specifically, but just picking the number of plays from play book and went from game to game with that.

That view looks logical as we saw same play calls vs different teams without any specific plays that would be designed to exploit opponents weaknesses. It looks like Packers used 20-25 play calls whole season, no matter who was their opponent. Only deviations from those play calls was when ACR was doing something on his hand (like hero balls and similar things).

Total disaster, not because of the result, but because how team play bad and boring. And MLF was surprised why team plays w/o energy and passion.

My God. Another year of the same shit is in front of us.

It seems off to me that players 3-4 years into their career need to be taught tackling techniques, footwork etc. I can see working on weaknesses and building on strengths, repetition etc. to hone skills, but I hope that since most have been through HS, College, and pro training camps they would be excellent at the basic skills of their profession. Maybe a lot of these guys get by on athleticism and finesse, but eventually someone smarter and hungrier guy will out compete them. There were fundamental breakdowns all season in the red zone. Rodgers looked uncomfortable with his receivers and he predictably let the play clock run so everyone knew when the snap would come. Defenses were fooled 3 or 4 times this year, like the one Lewis got a couple of games ago. Rodgers getting sacked at the 17 after trying to throw out of the shotgun on 2nd down ending up with field goals not touchdowns. This happened repeatedly and that falls on Rodgers. MLF’s play calling and game management is boring and predictable.

How many Packers coaches does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
It doesn’t matter, they don’t mind being in the dark.

Thank you, thank you, I’ll be here all night.

Wrong, wrong, wrong, just all wrong. If the Packers want to score from the red Zone their OL must play better.

Yes predictability is an issue as is play calling but execution is what matters in the red zone and on the goal line. Only Gale sayers could score in the red zone based upon on how the Packers OL has played in the red zone the last 2 seasons. Just watch the game. You will see they are consistently beat off the snap. Except for Bak they are too high and are usually getting pushed into the backfield.

We can blame MLC and he deserves some blame, we can blame a lack of weapons which is mostly irrelevant and we can blame Rodgers because he gets blamed for everything even if he hands the ball off to Dillon in the Red zone and he fails to score. Then we blame him for not working with his receivers even though he did not miss a day or a practice in the entire training camp. WTF??? When else is Rodger supposed to work with his receivers??? Duh! Talk about totally off the topic.

The reality is and the fact of the matter is it's about the OL. They are consistently outplayed in the Red Zone. That is the Red zone issue for the Packers. The other points are just speculation and nonsense not Red Zone football. This is about blocking and how well it is executed.

I would be hard pressed to find a more predictable Red Zone offense than the Lombardi Packers. And yet they were probably the best red zone team of all time.
Why? Because Lombardi's OL executed. It didn't matter if it was Hornung, Taylor, Elijah Pitts, Earl Gros, Grabowski, Donny Anderson, Travis Williams, Ben Wilson or Chuck Mercein, they scored! End of story. Get people blocked and you will score in the Red Zone. Get people blocked and Jones and Dillon will score plenty. Heck get people blocked and even George Plimpton will score.

When Matt LaChooch watches the tape this off season he needs to focus on the OL. Doesn't need an expert, well maybe someone who actually understands football, just watch the execution or lack of by the OL. That's where the failures are. If Matt LaChooch can't figure it out hire an actual OL coach or better yet an actual, qualified NFL HC who knows what he is watching, knows what he is doing and is willing to kick some butt to get results. End of story. Closing time. Case closed. Thanks, Since '61

I love Jamaal Williams but AJ DIllon is a better back.

So how does Jamaal get 17 TDs and "A.J. Dillon have only one touchdown through the first 11 games before scoring six late in the season"?

Play selection and the QB in pistol at the five and in short yardage instead of under center.

And I get the logic of going to the pass play alternative when the O comes to the line and sees the D lined up expecting a run, but (a) seeing a stacked box cannot be a surprise so maybe make the alternate play a pitch wide or similar to get outside and (b) Ds expect the run because other Os make it work so practice the hell out of short yardage running plays to overcome GB's clear deficiency in them.

For me it's a sad trip down memory lane to explain the problem.
Packers up big on Seattle, winner goes to sb. We intercept and have ball on like the 7. TD probably puts the game away. Seattle has one of the best cover corners in game and are scary good. Rodgers calls three running plays and we settle for a field goal and lose the game.
I said to myself the sob is so worried about tossing a pick he audibled runs 5o save his ass. Nothing has changed except head coach.