Will the Packers add a veteran wide receiver?

The Packers have a lot of young wide receivers. Does adding a veteran presence make sense?

The Green Bay Packers enter the 2023 season with a new era in sight. Following the departure of four-time MVP and the franchise's all-time passing touchdowns leader Aaron Rodgers, who was traded to the New York Jets earlier in the offseason, Jordan Love, the team's 2020 first-round selection, is set to take over as QB1. Along with the change at the quarterback position, the Packers are also undergoing a youth movement, as they look to rejuvenate their roster with young talent. 

On the offensive side of the ball, specifically, there are only two starters that are at least 28 (as pointed out by Andy Herman) – left tackle David Bakhtiari (31) and running back Aaron Jones (28). And at wide receiver, the two oldest wide receivers are Samori Toure (25), a 2022 seventh-round selection, and Jeff Cotton (26), who has yet to appear in a regular season for the Packers. Moreover, they drafted three wide receivers for the second consecutive draft – Jayden Reed (23), Dontayvion Wicks (21; turns 22 in June), and Grant Dubose (21; turns 22 in June). 

Thus, will general manager Brian Gutekunst sign a veteran wide receiver to inject some experience into the wide receiver room? 

The team was faced with somewhat of a similar dilemma a year ago, with Allen Lazard and Randall Cobb being the only elder statesmen in the room. The solution was Sammy Watkins and it was not a good one. In nine games with the Packers, the former first-round selection only registered 13 receptions for 206 yards. He did not score a single touchdown and was released prior to the Week 15 matchup with the Los Angeles Rams. 

Since Matt LaFleur took over at the helm, the Packers have had at most seven wide receivers on their initial 53-man roster. That occurred in 2022. In 2021 and 2019, there were six, and there were five in 2020. If you pencil in the three returning wide receivers from 2022 that saw game action and the three wide receivers drafted by the team in 2023, that only leaves one spot if the Packers opt to carry seven wide receivers. 

Unfortunately, if you’re in the camp that the Packers should add a veteran wide receiver, the available options do not exactly move the needle. Kenny Golladay, 29, was released by the New York Giants after a tough two-year stretch with the team that signed him to a lucrative long-term contract in 2021 (26 games, 43 receptions, 602 yards, and 1 touchdown). Julio Jones, 34, has appeared in less than 30 total games over the past three seasons. Jarvis Landry, 30, was seen as a value free-agent signing by the New Orleans Saints a year ago, only for the LSU product to play in nine games with 25 receptions for 272 yards and one score. Perhaps the most intriguing player is Demarcus Robinson, who turns 29 in September. Robinson is coming off a season with the Baltimore Ravens in which he produced a career-high in targets (75), receptions (48), and yards (458). 

LaFleur stated at the Annual League Meeting that “some veteran leadership would be nice,” per ESPN’s Rob Demovsky. However, he changed his tune on Saturday when meeting with reporters. 

“It’s certainly a very talented room that’s going to be a hell of a competition in terms of who is getting the snaps,” LaFleur said. “I know [Gutekunst]’s going to do whatever he can to help us field the best possible team. And if need be, I think we would turn that way (signing a veteran wide receiver). But right now, I think we’re going to just let those guys compete.” 

All aboard the youth train, with Christian Watson and Romeo Doubs as the conductors. That's a train I can, and will, get on board with. 

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Rex is a lifelong Packers fan but was sick of the cold, so he moved to the heart of Cowboys country. Follow him on Twitter (@Sheild92) and Instagram (@rex.sheild). 

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PhantomII's picture

May 08, 2023 at 12:09 pm

I really, really hope not. These young guys need max reps this season with the possibility to go deep into next seasons playoffs. Gute only gets JAG FA WR's and TE's at the end of their career. If he got a 26-27 year old #1 WR that would be different. No point in it with no CAP space and a lack of top tier playmakers as of yet to be seen.
We should still be a tough team to play . I think we may be in the post season as is. My greatest hope is Watson/ Doubs have improved greatly and the others do well in lesser snaps. GPG

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cdoemel's picture

May 08, 2023 at 07:01 pm

I’m excited about where we are. I can’t understand anybody who is not excited for what’s next.

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T7Steve's picture

May 08, 2023 at 12:13 pm

I agree with CW on this. Give the young guys the reps and bring them along faster. If injury happens, bring in someone later.

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mnbadger's picture

May 08, 2023 at 12:30 pm

the discussion about adding a seasoned veteran without first taking a closer look at available cap $'s is senseless.
Okay, I looked. There's none available.
Therefore, NO, don't sign a veteran low impact FA WR.
Next.
GPG!

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 09, 2023 at 04:04 am

That talk from LaFleur certainly had me looking at my hole card. It appears to me as though the Packers need to reach an extension agreement with Gary just to make it to the end of the season. I suppose they could do a Max void year restructure in the interim: convert to a signing bonus $9.8M of Gary's $10.89M base salary to generate $7.85M in cap space. Would he agree to that when he no doubt wants a gigantic extension and has a bit of leverage? Or they can extend Gary to get $3M to $4M. Or have a go at Runyan on a MVYR for a little over $1M, or convert game active and/or workout bonuses to signing bonuses. That gets $4M or so for the W/O and $4M or so for the game active bonus.

No doubt Russ Ball knows more cap tricks than I do. The Packers certainly talk like they have more available space than I think they do. It isn't like the Packers couldn't use a veteran safety, defensive lineman, WR, and perhaps a QB or TE.

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RCPackerFan's picture

May 08, 2023 at 12:44 pm

I don't expect them to add a veteran WR unless they need to. Basically the same with QB. I don't expect them to bring in a veteran QB unless they need to.

I think towards the end of preseason if they feel the rookies and young players aren't where they want them to be, they will then go look for veteran help. But before that I think they really want to get a very good look at these young guys. Last year Sammy Watkins really only got in the way of Watson, Doubs and Toure.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

May 08, 2023 at 01:38 pm

I was against adding a vet qb too....until Nick Foles became available. I would add him in a heartbeat if they can afford him.

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RCPackerFan's picture

May 08, 2023 at 01:53 pm

i'm fine if they bring one in. I just don't think they will until camp goes on.
Maybe they will before camp they do bring someone in if they don't like how OTA's and minicamp go. But I feel like they are going to try and give the young QB's as many opportunities as possible to prove themselves.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

May 08, 2023 at 02:06 pm

Its Foles or bust for me. If they dont add him, I'd rather just see them roll with Clifford.

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Tundraboy's picture

May 08, 2023 at 08:09 pm

"But I feel like they are going to try and give the young QB's as many opportunities as possible to prove themselves."

Totally agree. RC and I think it's applies to everyone which is why I'm so excited. So frustrating. It seems like ever since we became great in 2010, whenever we acquire talent we've always been somewhat reluctant and hesitant to use it until it just stares you in the face like with Jones

Result is sometimes we never know what we had in a player and maybe we failed to develop some that could have turned the corner. But the reality is we need to play them. They need the reps to develop either way.

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Coldworld's picture

May 08, 2023 at 01:13 pm

If I were going to bring back a veteran it would be Lewis. Since they are not bringing him back, they won’t bring in a WR unless forced to.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

May 08, 2023 at 01:36 pm

I dont think they add a vet at receiver. But shifting course from my comments last week about adding a vet qb, I think they should consider adding Nick Foles if the price is right. Hes the only vet qb out there that would give me confidence if Love goes down.

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EnemyTerritory's picture

May 08, 2023 at 09:01 pm

I’d rather the backup QBs get the game experience so we can see what we have and more than likely move on in 2024 when we have some cap space. A veteran QB is only necessary if the hope is a deep run into the playoffs which I do not see happening. If JL needs the tutelage of a vet QB then after three years behind the now happiest man on earth (according to press reports) then he’s not the QB of the next decade

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BAMABADGER's picture

May 08, 2023 at 01:39 pm

As my 2 year old granddaughter says, "No... no, no, no, no, no." She also says, "Go Pack Go!"

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mnbadger's picture

May 09, 2023 at 07:13 pm

sounds like a very smart and sweet young lady.
Maybe someday I can introduce her to my young Prince William.
GPG

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Since'75's picture

May 12, 2023 at 09:50 am

Wow lol.....

That was just weird, and rong...r-o-n-g....rong

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PackfanNY's picture

May 08, 2023 at 01:42 pm

Nope. I don’t see the purpose. Everyone liked Toure last year. Yet, he hardly played. Now we are still guessing at what we might have. Watson and Dubbs got some playing time. Now they can build. Same with the kids this year. The ones that make the team NEED to play.

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Packer_Fan's picture

May 08, 2023 at 01:56 pm

Nope. Lafleur has already said as much. And they won't be signing Lewis either. They have moved on and want to develop the young players. This will give the new players as much repetitions and playing time possible.

Is this the best way? Who knows. About 5 years from now we will have enough time to know for sure.

And I am OK with it

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Alberta_Packer's picture

May 08, 2023 at 02:00 pm

At this juncture, and given the Packers salary cap, the eligible veteran group for the Packers would only consist of chronically lame / over-the-hill / also-ran WRs. The Packers, Been There - Done That, last year, with Cobb and Watkins - with predictable results.

The only veteran I would have like to see added is M. Lewis. Not only for his clubhouse presence but as a mentor for the 2 rookie TEs. In order to be a complete TE - that player must be willing and able to block. What better coach/player would there be to teach and demonstrate this skill than Lewis?

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croatpackfan's picture

May 09, 2023 at 01:57 am

Watching somebody how he plays and play by yourself is two completely different things. As nobody is the same, good players develop traits that is suitable for their physical abilities, not by copying others.

If they want to watch how Mercedes Lewis played (or playing) there are a lot of film on him. Plain and simple. And you have coaches to point out important details explaining Mercedes Lewis film. You do not need him to take the roster spot of any player to be coach. Offer him assistant TE coach job.. if he is interested in coaching young guys.

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Boneman's picture

May 08, 2023 at 02:23 pm

We had loads of veteran leadership last year and that got us an 8-9 record. Go wit da Youtes!!!

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fireball's picture

May 08, 2023 at 02:30 pm

No need for a veteran receiver. Let Love concentrate on his new receivers. . . and running back Aaron Jones. My only worry is the possibility of injuries.

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greengold's picture

May 08, 2023 at 02:45 pm

No.

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ReaganRulz's picture

May 08, 2023 at 02:58 pm

Wow…did not see one comment in favor of adding a vet. If I did, my bad.

I’ll be the first then. Gonna play some Switzerland. I get it. Last year we had vets blah blah. And salary cap, yes, I get it blah blah. But Lazard, Cobb, Watkins, etc. are hardly the dynamically skilled vets that we need to provide tips and tricks to the yout’s. Yes, this is what coaches are for, but our posse of WR’s are INCREDIBLY raw. Could arguably be the youngest group of WR’s ever. The current list of available vets to help right now is a big fat zero, but let’s see what happens with vets that are cut. And then evaluate.

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greengold's picture

May 08, 2023 at 04:02 pm

I kid. A lot, ReaganRulz.

Your scenario may be something they pursue. I do think they’re going to wing it wit da yutes tho!

If things go awry in TC/preseason, Gutekunst can always use a roster cut FA as a parachute if need be. Probably all we could afford.

We have a ton of great young talent there though. I like all 6 draftees at WR 2021/22, plus Watts… plus…

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CheesedDeadHead's picture

May 08, 2023 at 07:01 pm

"Gonna play some Switzerland."

"in Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of democracy and peace – and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock." - Harry Lime

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croatpackfan's picture

May 09, 2023 at 03:45 am

So, you'll add veteran WR who was that bad that other team cut him and decide to go with PS WR instead. I say that is the shot in the centar of the target! Bravo!

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Since'75's picture

May 12, 2023 at 09:56 am

Reaganrulz is correct. For a variety of reasons

A) We don't have 1 skilled proven pass catcher, on the team.
B) A productive smart WR or TE would be invaluable for Love to learn from..
C) Would it help win games?

People...Nobody see's these as positives?
Then you either don't care if the team wins now, or you don't think it's possible that they field a winning team

You can't rely on rookie draft classes for success on the field.
Although, this seems to be the Packer Way under Murphy/Gute.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

May 08, 2023 at 03:24 pm

I sincerely doubt that a veteran receiver can help these youngsters as much as the Packers position coach. Jason Vrable has a wealth of experience as both a college and professional coach and I feel confident that there is not a single veteran wide receiver who will know the plays and playbook as well as Vrable. There is also not a single veteran wide receiver available who will study each Packers wide receiver and try to improve both his routes, use of hands, blocking, and every single aspect of playing the position to the best of his ability.

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mnbadger's picture

May 09, 2023 at 07:21 pm

great point Ferrari Driver. BTW, any relation to Donald?
Adding to your point, that veteran FA is also playing for his next contract. Not the newbies' next contract.
GPG

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

May 10, 2023 at 12:05 am

Good for a chuckle.

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Packers0808's picture

May 08, 2023 at 04:01 pm

Right now no but if a decent/good vet gets cut then yes if the coaches think he will be a good addition!

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stockholder's picture

May 08, 2023 at 04:40 pm

Not now maybe later.

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Vachio's picture

May 08, 2023 at 04:50 pm

I think we should stick with the youth and talent. Let the coaching staff set the expectations and the hungry guys step up.

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greengold's picture

May 08, 2023 at 04:51 pm

Having a tough time getting into any of these topics today, but, great hearing the Packers signed tryout player:

DT Antonio Moultrie - Miami
6-4 265

Super versatile DE/DT, 5T, 4i, 3T. UAB transfer player with high production numbers. Has all the twitchy, non-stop motor, bend, hands, feet stuff. Makes a ton of the hustle plays.

Had him as my last player picked in my mock prior to the draft. Had no idea just how much the Packers would be able to completely make over their DL/EDGE, and this blows me away.

Nice. fwiw

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Alberta_Packer's picture

May 08, 2023 at 05:37 pm

So Gutekunst still panning for gold nuggets. Splendid.

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Leatherhead's picture

May 08, 2023 at 05:44 pm

We only dress 5 DL usually. Clark and Wyatt and Slaton are in.

Beyond that, we're looking at Wooden? Slayton? Brooks? Lewan and Ford?

We could carry 6 on the 53 and another two on the practice squad, but the bulk of the load is going to be Clark-Wyatt-Slaton, I'd think. Maybe Wooden cracks the rotation.

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greengold's picture

May 08, 2023 at 09:26 pm

Yep. We usually carry 6. I had thoughts before the draft they maybe should consider 7 this year. Nonetheless, the depth needed mending, and Antonio Moultrie might not be a bad PS player to have on hand, along with Chris Slayton.

Clark, Slaton & Wyatt plus Wooden, Ford & Brooks makes for one helluva rotation.

What’s really great, is these are not just bodies, or space eaters to occupy blockers. Every dang one of these guys brings some incredibly productive interior pass rush, along with high quality run stop.

Have you noticed how every single one of them is a powerful hand fighter? How they all have insane bend? Moves?

Opposing Offenses are going to struggle dealing with not only this big crew, but our EDGE rushers in Van Ness, Smith, Gary and Enagbare.

I’ve been thinking for a while now, but, especially post draft that Kingsley Enagbare might make one of our biggest year 2 jumps on this Packers team.

Maybe Brenton Cox Jr. enters into the picture, allowing Gary a bit more healing time.

Dang, just look at that depth. Quality depth with real production numbers to prove it. Both DL & EDGE. Pretty amazing, really. I can’t recall ever seeing that much in Green Bay.

It’s all on paper now, but, encouraging.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 09, 2023 at 04:49 am

Drafniks are very refreshing - they are so optimistic! I am on board when you mentioned Clark, and I will allow Slaton as he has a track record and trends up with a modest slope, and I will allow Wyatt as he definitely flashed in limited snaps. The rest of those names are 200 snap (get their feet wet) guys. That is enough if they all stay healthy. The likely quality of those snaps is up for discussion.

I just note that Mike Daniels played 225 snaps as a 4th round rookie, Clark played 330 or so as a first round rookie. Moreover, Wyatt played just 225 snaps, Slaton 255, Keke 94, Lowry 157, Datone Jones 256, Josh Boyd 102, during their rookie years. Jerel Worthy, the 51st pick, played 452 snaps in 2012 as a rookie, which just shows that it matters how terrible the other players are and to also look at the fit when looking at snap counts. I mean, GB had Pickett and Raji, but Worthy had some twitch, allegedly anyway, even if it turned out to be mostly timing the snap count.

Reed and Lowry combined played 1,087 snaps. Slaton can increase his from 333 to 633. Wyatt can play 550 of the other 787 leaving 220 for Ford (NT only), Wooden, and Brooks.

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NickPerry's picture

May 09, 2023 at 04:54 am

"I’ve been thinking for a while now, but, especially post draft that Kingsley Enagbare might make one of our biggest year 2 jumps on this Packers team."

You and I both GG... I'm actually a little surprised more people haven't mentioned his name much more as a guy who could take a big jump. Last year he was one of my draft crushes for later in the draft and Gute got him in the 5th. IMO he takes a fairly big jump. Maybe 5 or 6 sacks and another 20 hurries...I'll take it.

BTW...This year my late draft crush was Brooks and to a lessor extent Wicks. They got both of them due to two trade downs and then STILL got Reed whom I love.

NO vet needed, at least now though I do wish Lewis would have been signed.

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Lphill's picture

May 09, 2023 at 10:16 am

Enabare might be fighting for a roster spot Cox Jr was the number 1 edge prospect in the country at one time, if his head is on straight now he may be the biggest UDA signing .

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Coldworld's picture

May 08, 2023 at 06:29 pm

I think he’s 275 now, but he’s another one in the mound of what they drafted. Smaller DL who can rush a bit but don’t seem calculated to stand up as conventional linemen. It’s going to be interesting to see how they plan to work them in.

Moultrie is not a great athlete, but he does well with what he has, good motor and seems to have instincts. Good in the run game. Could we be going to see more 3DL this year but with one being in a switch run/rush role as opposed to that bring an OLB?

It seems Coco wasn’t even in the running as they also signed a LS to compete and cut him. Perhaps he took more blame for the blocks than it seemed at the time.

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greengold's picture

May 08, 2023 at 10:25 pm

Exactly, Coldworld!!!

I could see them capable of running any front they choose. The versatility here is impressive.

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 08, 2023 at 04:57 pm

I have been a hard no on bringing in vet TE and/or WR. The young TE, WR talent needs lots of field and practice time not just with Love...but also in combinations with the other young prospects.

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lou's picture

May 08, 2023 at 05:20 pm

Give the young guys as many reps as possible in the pre-season, the best time to add a Vet WR if deemed necessary then is one that has been waived prior to the start of the season and eager to play another season or two minus the existing contract.

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The_Justicar's picture

May 08, 2023 at 05:21 pm

I wouldn’t be against signing a vet to compete in training camp. Few of the current wRs know what it takes to compete and succeed in the nfl. Bring in a cole Beasley type- someone who knows how to get open.

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MainePackFan's picture

May 08, 2023 at 06:32 pm

I say let's see what we have with the kids. The Packers have made a decision that they are committing to this youth movement. They know we the fans will give them a one year forgiveness window as we move on from AR.

I will say, after watching Grant Dubose's tape and interview, there is something about this kid that intrigues me. Saw one clip where he taps his arm when he saw how the defense was aligned. The corner jumps early on a blitz, free play, TD to Dubose. Impressive.

If we want to take a look at a cheap vet, stick Kenny Golladay in your back pocket and wait to see how OTA's go. Golladay may be done, but he might be worth a cheap look if the Packer's don't like what they see from the kids. Only 29. Injuries and other issues killed his time with the Giants. Maybe he understands where he is in his career and gets that it's time to shit or get off the pot.

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Leatherhead's picture

May 08, 2023 at 07:18 pm

Do you remember when we were the #1 seed and put on a historically bad offensive performance at home in a loss to SF? Remember the offensive players on that team?

Rodgers. Adams. MVS, EQ, Lazard, Cobb, Tonyan, Lewis,... All gone. That's a lot of guys to replace in 16 months. Deguara and Jones and Dillon are the holdovers among the skill position players, but we've added Bakhtiari, Jenkins, a healthy Myers, and Tom to the offensive line we had that day.

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davekenya's picture

May 08, 2023 at 07:53 pm

Adding one vet WR could possibly help the young WRs develop -- if nothing else showing good practice habits and sharing various tips learned about becoming a better WR in the pros. I'm not sure it would add that much value to on-the-field production though.

If anything, GB would probably be looking at post June 1 cap-cuts -- maybe a guy like NYJ Corey Davis or someone they could get relatively cheap but felt would offer them something they don't have in the receiver room. It seems adding one vet wouldn't take away that many snaps -- adding insurance against a training camp injury that otherwise would leave a hole in the WR roster.

A one-year deal with GB could be more attractive to a vet WR knowing he'd get plenty of passes thrown his way (he wouldn't start out #3 or 4 on the depth chart), could post decent numbers, and would thus get a better 2024 contract with some team.

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Bure9620's picture

May 09, 2023 at 05:26 am

Adding a FA wr now would make zero sense. You just drafted 5 pass catchers to go along with 3 second year pass catchers to pair with Love. In addition, this will not be the Player GM offense. No more spread schoolyard BS.
He is the Jets problem now. We will actually see MLFs offense. Lots of 2 wr sets. This offense is going through Aaron Jones and Christian Watson. Most plays will be for them. A 1A 1B option. Throw in Romeo Doubs, one of the rookie TEs.....their are only so many targets folks.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 09, 2023 at 06:06 am

This is obviously the slow time of the year and this article demonstrates that.

Have we forgotten Watkins last year? What is the value of paying for some washed up veteran WR who doesn't know the offense even as well as the rookies who have gone thru mini-camp. The Packers have gone thru a full year learning the offense (Melton not a full year). These 4 are the veterans and who can lead by example. These are the WR's Jordan Love has a connection with. The WR's & TE's are the most talented the Packers have had in many years as a whole. These guys do not need an expensive aging receiver taking playing time & experience away from them. They just need to play! The Packers are in a very good situation with promising talent on offense at every position. In 2024, with contracts expiring (Deguara, Runyan, Dillon) there may very well need to be draft investment put into RB, OT, OG, TE, and back-up QB because guys like Bachtiari and Aaron Jones may be let go, or traded due to salary cap reasons. While there are some unknowns at present time I truly believe there is a ton of young talent at the WR and TE positions & that talent will become more and more prevalent as time passes. Additionally, Jordan Love has a decent chance to become the best passing QB in the NFC North this year, and in future years as his receivers develop.

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NateK's picture

May 09, 2023 at 09:09 am

Can’t determine much now. Things will be more clear when we see these guys go up against Jaire and Rasul, and even Nixon/Savage in the slot. It’s a real bummer Stokes will be out; even though he is still learning, having him square up against the new guys would be valuable.

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4thand10's picture

May 09, 2023 at 10:03 am

I would almost rather see them bring in a recently retired WR that was capable of running every route during their career in as just a consultant without taking reps away from young talent. Can they do that? Can NFL hire ex players as just consultants and not apart of the regular coaching staff???

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BirdDogUni's picture

May 09, 2023 at 10:15 pm

We have 10 WRs on the roster now. I don't see a veteran who is currently available who would actually help. Maybe later, but as of now, I would ride with the young'uns. Only way we can see what we have is to let the youngsters have at it and go from there...

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