Why the Packers Will Beat the Lions and Why They Might Not

It will be up the head coach and the quarterback to win this one for the Green Bay Packers. 

It’s only the eighth game of the season for the Green Bay Packers, but tonight’s NFC North showdown at Lambeau Field comes at a critical juncture.

The NFC is starting to take shape. The Eagles are 8-1, while the Vikings, Rams and Saints are all 6-2. After that, Carolina sits at 6-3, followed by Dallas and Seattle at 5-3, then Green Bay at 4-3, with Washington, Atlanta and Arizona all at 4-4.

To have any hope in the NFC North, the Packers need to beat the Lions. It would get them to 5-3 and within one game of the Vikings. A loss would put them two back and the 1-2 division mark is also not helpful. The two-game deficit could be too much to overcome, although Green Bay showed last season, anything is possible.

Of course, the Packers also had Aaron Rodgers last season, so anything was possible.

After a game and a half, it’s hard to know what is possible under Brett Hundley. But, head coach Mike McCarthy has had two weeks and one day to work with him, to prepare him for this game. So if Hundley doesn’t play well tonight, that’s a bad sign.

If Green Bay wins, then it would be in the playoffs if they to started tomorrow. A loss, would put them a game back of both Dallas and Seattle, which isn’t bad position, considering Green Bay owns the tiebreaker over both, but it leaves a lot of work to be done in the last half of the season.

At 3-4, Detroit is a solid team. The Lions have an elite quarterback and a pretty good defense, more than enough to win at Lambeau. Tonight, we will find out a lot about how good the Packers can be with Hundley at quarterback.

Here’s why the Packers will win tonight:

Tonight, we will also find out if Aaron Jones is for real. The rookie from UTEP has been stellar for the past month, but against the Lions top-10 run defense, we will see if he can keep it up.

If he can, the Packers will be in a much better position to win the game. And if offensive guard Lane Taylor can start, that will be a big help to both Hundley and Jones. But overall, the team is pretty healthy. Taylor is questionable for tonight, so is Kevin King and some guys are missing.

But four of the five starters on the offensive line will be in the lineup, plus the rest of the offense, with the exception of Martellus Bennett. If the defense has Morgan Burnett and King in the lineup, it will be pretty close to full strength, while also having the services of rookies Vince Biegel and Montravius Adams for the first time.

While health will be on the side of the Packers, Lambeau Field should be too. It’s been a house of horrors for Detroit, who has won at Green Bay just once in the last 24 years. The Packers have also had a lot of success against Stafford, who is just 3-10 against them in his career.

Those numbers favor the Packers, but so does another, the fact that McCarthy has a 9-2 career mark in games after the bye. Even better, he is undefeated when his team's first game after the bye is at home. Green Bay lost after the bye at Tennessee in overtime in 2008 and at Carolina in 2015. That's it. 

Despite what some people want to believe, McCarthy is one of the NFL’s best head coaches. He will have this team prepared, and he will find a way to make Hundley successful. The Packers lost a hard-fought game against a good Saints team and this week, they will find a way.

Why Detroit might win:

There really is only one way that Detroit wins this game and that’s if Stafford is just special, which he can be. Last season, he put together eight game-winning drives and has one so far this season. He’s clutch, and he leads an offense that ranks ninth in scoring, but just 19th in yards.
 

The Lions have a tough defense, but numbers wise, it’s about as good as Green Bay’s, ranking 22nd in yards allowed and 25th in points. The running game is also poor, as the Lions are 28th in the NFL in rushing.

Yet, special players sometimes decide games. Drew Brees was the biggest difference between Green Bay and New Orleans two weeks ago. If not for him, the Packers win that game. Instead, he was just too good that day. He was better than Hundley and Stafford is too.

So if Stafford has one of those days, it might be a tough night for the Packers. But if the Green Bay defense can rattle him and if Hundley can play like an NFL starting quarterback, the Packers have to like their chances.

 

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Chris is a sports journalist from Montana and has been blogging about the Packers since 2011. Chris has been a staff writer for CheeseheadTV since 2017 and looks forward to the day when Aaron Rodgers wins his second Super Bowl. Follow him @thepackersguru

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Andrew Lloyd Peth's picture

November 06, 2017 at 11:51 am

Let me take a moment to explain why some posters add "Hope I'm wrong" after predicting bad tidings for the Packers.

It's because there are others here who actually think anyone who is critical of this team:

A. Is not a REAL fan, and
B. Actually wants the team to fail.

Thus originated the obligatory "Hope I'm wrong." Though this should go without saying, it's necessary to appease nasty people who lash out at anyone not preaching happy, uncritical drivel.

"Hope I'm wrong" is like saying, "Please don't hate me for thinking! I'm sorry for not being a mindless McCarthy groupie! I want good things! Happy things! D-d-d-don't get mad, 'kay? I promise to get the counseling I need! I-I-I-I can change! LOVE ME!"

Now you know the true meaning of "Hope I'm wrong." I feel like Linus explaining the true meaning of Christmas.

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Mojo's picture

November 06, 2017 at 11:51 am

I will say ALP you have cojones for laying it out there. Actually agree with much of what you're saying, especially anyone who is critical of an aspect of this team getting called a troll or they can't possible understand the complexities of a professional football team (until one of the writers mentions the same thing).

I've seen it for a number of years - someone's critical of a team deficiency, someone else wails on them for being unknowledgeable simpletons and after the Pack get blown out in the playoffs both groups admit some changes have to be made. But I hope I'm wrong about that.

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Andrew Lloyd Peth's picture

November 06, 2017 at 05:04 pm

Thank you, sir.

And thank you for having the cojones to speak out as well. Hope you've hired a food taster.

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flackcatcher's picture

November 06, 2017 at 12:52 pm

Nice to have you back ALP.

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Andrew Lloyd Peth's picture

November 06, 2017 at 02:44 pm

Thanks, Flak and Fin.

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PETER MAIZ's picture

November 06, 2017 at 04:52 pm

cojones, in Spanish the j is pronounced like an h.

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Andrew Lloyd Peth's picture

November 06, 2017 at 05:05 pm

Whoops, got it. Thanks.

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Finwiz's picture

November 06, 2017 at 12:34 pm

Another excellent post, and points made by ALP.
My thoughts exactly!

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dschwalm's picture

November 06, 2017 at 01:12 pm

Well said. I am one of those who has been tempted to say, "hope I am wrong", with emphatic punctuation and a "Go Pack" chant, to avoid vilification, but I have resisted. THANK YOU, ALP

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Andrew Lloyd Peth's picture

November 06, 2017 at 02:46 pm

Oh, I've said it plenty, dschwalm. It's easier to grovel than be stoned in the public square.

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justjoe's picture

November 06, 2017 at 01:43 pm

Mr. Peth,

There is nothing wrong with being critical. I think some people here are either spoiled rotten or completely myopic. Most seem to think that the Packers are owed a few super bowl wins and the other teams are just there to amuse us on the way.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the other teams get paid as well. And since this is an offense driven league and since offenses continue to improve year after year, defenses have more yards and more points scored against them year after year.

While some of your points in the past do have merit do you really think you are posting something everyone doesn't already know. The defense is bad, OMG stop the presses. The defense has always been below average.

I just hate the constant negativity you bring to a site that I like to visit to relax and do a little reading about my team.

And by the way, I'm still waiting for your detailed game plan with play calls and formations since you are an NFL offensive guru.

Have a nice day!

Joe

This is a GAME.

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Bearmeat's picture

November 06, 2017 at 02:24 pm

FWIW,

ALP is IMO right on. It doesn't take a genius to see that GBs D/ST have been dreadful throughout the TT/MM/DC era - with ONE notable exception - 2010. That also was the ONE time we won the big game.

Those outcomes are related, good sir. Further, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. At what point do we decide that TT and DC's schtick has run its course?

For me, it was 2013.

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Andrew Lloyd Peth's picture

November 06, 2017 at 02:48 pm

Oh Bear, you're just being negative...

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justjoe's picture

November 06, 2017 at 02:57 pm

Sorry to use your own argument against you but people have be calling for Capers to be fired for a long time.

What was the definition of insanity again?

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Bearmeat's picture

November 06, 2017 at 03:55 pm

I fail to see your point. DC has not been fired, even though he's deserved it almost annually since 2011.

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Bearmeat's picture

November 06, 2017 at 04:12 pm

Double post.

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Bearmeat's picture

November 06, 2017 at 04:47 pm

Exactly. I don't like to say "I told you so," but I had been screaming those talking points for months this offseason. I was almost sure the pass rush would suck. I was confident that the OL depth would bite us in the butt. And I was really sick of the excuses on defense and hearing that it would be fixed.

It has sucked. It's killed us. And nothing has changed.

And I told you all so. Sorry to be that guy. I know: AHole comment. :(

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dobber's picture

November 06, 2017 at 03:10 pm

Maybe "Hope I'm wrong" is the football equivalent of the old southern expression "bless his/her heart". You can say anything you want to say as long as you follow it with that statement.

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Spock's picture

November 06, 2017 at 05:11 pm

ALP, No, it isn't "nice to have you back" IMO. You said you were DONE, now you're back. So much for "cajones" (or however it is spelled). I don't have a problem with criticizing this team (I really don't) but to imply that anyone who disagrees with you is delusional is, well, delusional :). I'm not fond of the "I hope I'm wrong" comment either, but I'm also not fond of people who, whenever the team has a downturn (like, say, an injury to Rodgers or a free agent who hasn't worked out) quit the team like a rat fleeing a burning ship. I don't believe you "actually want the team to fail" but I resent your implying that anyone who is "actually" is a fan of the team is somehow less intelligent/mind-washed then you because they "believe" in the team. That's called being a FAN. I don't believe in the Easter Bunny, Santa, or a number of other things, that doesn't mean I agree with you. Glad for you that you feel "Superior" because of how you view the coaching staff. Can't say I'm overly impressed. I'm not a "mindless McCarthy groupie" although I think he's a fine coach (others can agree to disagree, LOL). I'd be more impressed if you could back up your views. I've read most of your posts and, frankly, if I was an ALP fan I'd hope someone would give me an intervention as, in my view, you talk a lot and add little. Others may disagree. That' fine too. This is a format for discussion, I just don't see much "discussion" from you. Sorry, I don't normally vent on commenters this much, but for some reason someone who said they were "done" and now is "back" tends to piss me off, especially when they have the gall to make comments about "not being a true fan" when they have a history of being a quitter. Reminds me of COW who said he was "done forever" with the team and commented less than a week later! Never mind, people like you won't take anything a "mindless groupie" like me says anyway. Hope you enjoy the game.

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Andrew Lloyd Peth's picture

November 06, 2017 at 06:39 pm

I left because of Martellus Bennett, and returned because he's leaving. It had nothing to do with wins, losses, Aaron Rodgers's injury, or any other nonsensical points you cite. I made it crystal clear I was leaving because of one reason and one alone--Martellus Bennett. For me, his despicable presence for 3 seasons disgusted me, but now that he's leaving, I can at least stomach this team.

Also, I didn't leave and return a week later, but rather about 2 months later. Did you get ANY of your facts straight?

There's nothing about people being "delusional" in my comment, so I can only assume you're delusional for asserting it. Also, if you look at your keyboard, you'll see the "H" and "J" are next to each other...so chill about typos, dude.

Basically, your post is so riddled with errors, I haven't the time to address them all.

As for backing up my views, I do so consistently. You just disagree, and that's your right--but it's pretty petty to say I don't back things up. You think I add little because I don't agree with you, not because it's true.

I have no "history" of being a quitter, but rather I took a stand for cops and this nation I love against a bigoted radical. There's nothing anti-fan about that. You can disagree with my position all you want, but for you to mischaracterize my reasons to such a degree is pretty appalling.

If you want to attack me, then trying attacking me AS I AM, not as some fantasy you wish to depict. It's called intellectual honesty. You should try it sometime.

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Andrew Lloyd Peth's picture

November 06, 2017 at 06:34 pm

Double Post.

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Andrew Lloyd Peth's picture

November 06, 2017 at 06:37 pm

Triple Post.

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dobber's picture

November 06, 2017 at 06:27 pm

So you're saying the meaning of "Hope I'm wrong" is the same thing as thinking with one's head (being critical and analytical) and hoping with one's heart (being emotional)?

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 07, 2017 at 07:53 am

I had a regular poster call me predictably negative. [As an aside, that particular poster has become pretty negative lately and in particular after the Detroit game]. Heck, I even agree that I am probably more negative than this team merits. If anything, I have been more supportive of the coaching staff, maybe even TT, than I should have been.

The worst negative types are those who lead with wholly inaccurate "facts" as support for their opinions.

Next come those who cherry pick a few stats or facts and then making sweeping assertions while ignoring the context or the full factual record.

Next (and they aren't really so bad) are those who repeat mantras that fit on a bumper sticker w/o specifying anything in particular. Great, now I know your opinion but there isn't really anything to engage.

Then there are the negative and positive posters whose views are based entirely on their own eye test. This is probably the most common thing imaginable and I and a whole lot of posters certainly do quite a bit of this.

Finally, there are posters who marshal stats, post links to videos, and other wonderful things to support their positions.

Any outside view is welcome to me, including PFF, FO and DVOA stuff, and various authors and bloggers. IDK about others, but if Ben Fennell writes that player x is good or terrible, I take notice.

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Bearmeat's picture

November 06, 2017 at 11:36 am

GB wins if they get 3-4 stops and a turnover. And if they can rush for 125 as a team. Having Hundley throw for over 200 would help too.

DET wins otherwise.

My bet is on DET.

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dblbogey's picture

November 06, 2017 at 02:27 pm

You forgot to say "Hope I'm wrong".

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Bearmeat's picture

November 06, 2017 at 04:13 pm

"Hope I'm wrong" lol

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

November 06, 2017 at 05:46 pm

I can't help but think this season is our best chance to get rid of Capers. But in order for that to happen it is going to have to be Cleveland Browns bad.

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PETER MAIZ's picture

November 06, 2017 at 05:04 pm

Bearmeat, that's a lot of "ifs". If we borrowed Philly's young quarterback, we'd win. If the talent on the defense were not 28, 29. 30th, etc. we'd win. But the fact is we have got to use analytical and critical thinking and we don't convert on first downs, it's all gone with the wind.

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Mojo's picture

November 06, 2017 at 11:57 am

Jared Cook > Martellus Bennett even before Bennetts injury. And FWIW Bennett isn't that great of blocker either. I've seen him whiff a number of times. Bennett's blocking superiority is the argument every uses in support of Bennett over Cook.

Packers would have been better off resigning Cook.

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Finwiz's picture

November 06, 2017 at 12:36 pm

You are exactly right, Bennett is NOT a great blocker at all, and if you actually think so, you haven't been watching the games.
On most plays he goes thru the motions, and puts limited effort into moving his feet and actually getting in position to block.
This guy was a huge bust of a FA signing.
Big mistake, in hindsight of course, not to sign Cook.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 06, 2017 at 12:44 pm

I think the offense could be better with Kendricks as the starting TE. Rodgers while is not prolific has great hands. Him being the #2 TE is not a bad thing either.

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Point-Packer's picture

November 06, 2017 at 04:23 pm

I said this after the Bennett signing. Bennett may be one of the more overrated players in the NFL, everywhere he has been. Look at what Cook is doing. On pace for 74~ receptions and almost 100 yards receiving. All the homers (and especially Oppy), the ones who constantly defend MM, TT and DM regardless of how poor the decision making, were falling on themselves when we let Cook go and signed Bennett. Now it looks like Ted got fooled. GB got an unmotivated under-producing TE. Oakland received one of the most productive TE's in the league. "It was a coup". Sure, a "coup" staged by Bennett to get a big paycheck.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

November 08, 2017 at 08:14 pm

What if Cooks inability to get involved in the offense had less to do with Cook than an Offensive Coordinator who has severe difficulty adapting to change?

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PETER MAIZ's picture

November 06, 2017 at 05:06 pm

At least Cook could catch some good ones!

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 06, 2017 at 12:07 pm

For me the keys to this game start with the coaches.

McCarthy and Capers have to be better then what they were. The coaching was terrible in the Saints game IMO.

McCarthy has to be better with how to use Hundley. Hopefully he took the 2 weeks to come up with an offense that will fit Hundley's talents. Maybe more read option, more jet sweeps and putting players in motion. Change personnel more to create different looks. Scheme players open. Give Hundley easy throws that he can see WR's open.

Capers has to get the defense on the same page. Only having 10 men on the field has to end. Burning timeouts because of confusion needs to end. Capers needs to use be more aggressive too. Blitz Jones more.

Other keys -
Hundley needs to be at least an average QB. 200+ yards a couple of TD's no interceptions would be a good day.

Time of Possession. If they can control the clock that would keep the Lions offense off the field. Some long time consuming drives would help.

3rd down defense. Packers have to get stops on 3rd downs. No matter if its 3rd and short or long. They need to force the Lions to punt.

Some reasons for optimism.
-The OL is the healthiest its been all year.
-Outside of Bennett all the other offensive weapons are available.
-Aaron Jones can help take pressure off of Hundley.
-Burnett is returning

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dschwalm's picture

November 06, 2017 at 01:18 pm

The one factor you failed to mention is that we have a low tier QB now, and NOT AROD, which I think, is a major factor. As I have said before this team, this year is nothing more than a 'below average' team. My bet is that two weeks' coaching with MM will produce only marginal results.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 06, 2017 at 01:31 pm

Lets be honest. Rodgers is the best QB in the league. One of the best in the history of the league. You can't replace him very easily.

That being said, if Hundley can be an average QB, which I think he can be, I think the Packers can win. We have no idea how good or bad Hundley is cuz we haven't seen him play more then 1 - 1/2 games. To me its more on the coaches. They have to do things to make it easier on Hundley. Give him short yardage situations and do things to scheme guys to get open. Mix up the plays so the defense can't just t off on the offense.

To me tonights game is more on the coaches then anyone.

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flackcatcher's picture

November 06, 2017 at 01:23 pm

I agree. So does Mike McCarthy. He pretty much said the same thing in his presser. With the return of FB Joe Kerridge to the 53, we will probably see more 2RB sets and more 'classic west coast' style. Of course it all depends on the health of the O line. The good news, is the Packers know the young guys can play. The bad news, the cost was high, too high. Defense, Burnett is back, House is back, that takes a lot of pressure of Dix. That allows Capers to run Nitro, which closes the short soft middle, the packers biggest weakness on defense. I have been saying this since the beginning of this season, Burnett is the key to this defense being good. Only Leroy Butler has meant more to a Packer defense in recent memory. Without a healthy Burnett, this defense is average at best. With him, they are really good. He is that important.

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Finwiz's picture

November 06, 2017 at 03:49 pm

No way.
Vastly overrated.
Now, one must caveat that with your comment about the demand for him as a FA. (minimal)
If the price is right (very low), you resign him until you're sure Jones is developed as a replacement.

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flackcatcher's picture

November 06, 2017 at 06:06 pm

Jonathan it would be in fact a third contract for Burnett. As we all know, the Packer front office does not like to do third veteran contracts. Either RC or Bearmeat did a breakdown on how the Packers handle their Cap space. Bottom line is the Packers will release their veterans to keep at a certain Cap number. Well Burnett is playing the one position were demand is greater than the supply. All you have to do is look at what Hyde got from the Bills this year. 15 million, the Packers were never going to match that, even if they wanted too. Would Burnett take a discount, maybe. But a veteran starter at a position of need across the league, We are looking at 16 million minimum. More likely a team offers 18 million plus for Burnett with half up front. See what I mean by tough decisions. Paying Burnett means some other starter does not get his big contract or more likely contracts, Then there's QB1 contract extension... Russ Ball has his work cut out for him. With all that, Yes I would resign him. Even with the big Cap hit. He's a core player on the Packer team, at a position of need. He's a glue guy who is playing at or close to all pro level. And he wants to be here, so yeah I would resign him.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 06, 2017 at 01:45 pm

*Joe Kerridge is on the PS not the 53.

I agree with pretty much everything else that you said though.

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flackcatcher's picture

November 06, 2017 at 05:30 pm

Waived injured. Resigned to the 53 last week after the pass thru. Have not looked at the active to see if he is on the game list. (If I'm wrong then it's Jerry Jones fault. Yeah that's the ticket.....)

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November 06, 2017 at 06:47 pm

UGH!! Your right, just went back checked the roster again. Must be wish fulfillment. At some point MM must put Joe back on the roster. (so I won't look so stupid :)

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November 07, 2017 at 06:07 am

Flak, I am confused by your numbers, but I think I know what was meant. Burnett is looking at $9M AAV, imo. His age/starting-to-get-dinged-up and miss a few games per season can be mostly addressed through the % and timing of the guaranteed money. Teams are going to love a tough, run stuffing SS who can play some slot and ILB, and who is a leader and effective communicator on the field.

Brice was underwhelming (but he was hurt week 2 with an ankle, then week 4 with a groin issue, then went on IR with the ankle, leading me to wonder if he was ever really healthy as I tried to assess his play). Marwin hasn't played enough for me to assess. J. Jones has tons of talent but like he did in college and like most rookies, he has mental lapses. J.J. looks much better near the LOS than he does in space. It is early but he looks more like an old fashioned SS with speed than as Burnett's replacement in the slot/ILB, though he has the talent to do those things.

Bottom line is it will be a tough call. Not sure that this is a defense that can afford to let proven and talented defensive players walk without making a competitive offer. Burnett is only 28 (turns 29 in January), so a 3 year contract seems reasonable; he'd only be 31 (okay, almost 32) at the end of the regular season in that third season. But it all has to fit under the salary cap.

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November 06, 2017 at 01:37 pm

I'm tired of hearing how bad Hundley was against the Saints. Yea, he missed some passes but overall the OL played terribly with all the injuries. Montgomery also dropped a easy TD pass on third down in that game that could have made a big impact as well.

Let's remember that this guy was not a first round draft pic. The idea for Hundley is to move the team and limit mistakes and not be the reason for losing the game.

I'm expecting improvement behind a healthy line and more preparation time. If he sucks tonight and is largely responsible for the loss then I think we know how the rest of this season will go.

I'm much more concerned with the performance of the other starters who are not on this team to be a back-up stop gap player. I want to see who is playing their ass off trying to prove their own worth and who has decided to put the rest of the season on coast just because AR got hurt.

If this team is not going to the playoffs I'm fine with that, but if it becomes obvious that we just have a bunch of check cashers waiting for AR to give them another win every week then I want new leadership for next year.

We may have the highest draft slot next year that we've had for many years. At the very least I would like to see next years rookies put into the hands of a new Defensive Coordinator. If MM refuses to cut ties with DC than we should put someone else in his chair too.

Maybe the defense will surprise me and finish strong but my gut tells me that the Defense will be responsible for more losses than Brett Hundley.

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November 06, 2017 at 03:39 pm

To me, the Packer Defense could look entirely different IF they could pressure Stafford. This may prove to be too big of an IF. It would be a wonderful surprise if Biegel could provide some juice - although it would be unreasonable to expect since he hasn't taken a snap all year. Also, the Packers have to cut down on penalties and dropped passes - which is a trait of good coaching. I haven't seen any reason for Detroit to fear any pass over 5 yds so the expectation of any vertical passing game is very low. This IS a Nationally Televised game and maybe it is me, but it seems GB fares poorly when this is the case. To me, the game comes down to how the team handles 3rd downs on both sides of the ball. IF Jones shows he can run and IF the defense puts the heat on Stafford and IF the Packers demonstrate they are well coached, then the Packers would have a shot. I have a rule of 3+ IF's - Whenever you have to caveat an outcome with 3 or more IFs, then usually that outcome isn't going to happen. I would be happy if GB were at least competitive in this game so I could enjoy a beer and be entertained. Lions - 35 to Packers - 13. (and of course "I hope I'm wrong.....)

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Curry Rambeau's picture

November 06, 2017 at 05:32 pm

Bless your heart!

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November 06, 2017 at 03:57 pm

Remember the first drive against the Saints going down field and scoring, then a struggle after that to get yards, stick to the runs and short passes , Hundley can scramble he has to show the Lions he is a threat to run and I think the Packers are better off without Bennent , use Kendricks and Rodgers guys that are not retiring. Game is winnable for the Pack , limit mistakes and get some 3 and outs.

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PETER MAIZ's picture

November 06, 2017 at 05:44 pm

Like the man said in one of my favorite movies, "Miller's Crossing", "I ain't interested in ancient history!". Sure, McCarthy did this and that after the bye, but that was with Aaron. Insofar as McCarthy saying he'd spent 3 years developing Hundley, I got a chuckle out of that. McCarthy is very adept at using his PR machine.
And what is it with Dom and his defense? He's always at the back end of all teams. He's got the players and he won't give the results. It seems he's got no ambition and no pride. Perhaps his schemes are stale. Perhaps his toupe covers his eyes during playtime. Maybe he loves being in LaLa land. I'm years now in 'holding him in my hate", as an expression the Bard used in one of his plays. Anyway, we're as good if not better with another defensive coordinator, if not better, than with a proven loser.

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PETER MAIZ's picture

November 06, 2017 at 05:44 pm

Like the man said in one of my favorite movies, "Miller's Crossing", "I ain't interested in ancient history!". Sure, McCarthy did this and that after the bye, but that was with Aaron. Insofar as McCarthy saying he'd spent 3 years developing Hundley, I got a chuckle out of that. McCarthy is very adept at using his PR machine.
And what is it with Dom and his defense? He's always at the back end of all teams. He's got the players and he won't give the results. It seems he's got no ambition and no pride. Perhaps his schemes are stale. Perhaps his toupe covers his eyes during playtime. Maybe he loves being in LaLa land. I'm years now in 'holding him in my hate", as an expression the Bard used in one of his plays. Anyway, we're as good if not better with another defensive coordinator, if not better, than with a proven loser.

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PETER MAIZ's picture

November 06, 2017 at 05:44 pm

Like the man said in one of my favorite movies, "Miller's Crossing", "I ain't interested in ancient history!". Sure, McCarthy did this and that after the bye, but that was with Aaron. Insofar as McCarthy saying he'd spent 3 years developing Hundley, I got a chuckle out of that. McCarthy is very adept at using his PR machine.
And what is it with Dom and his defense? He's always at the back end of all teams. He's got the players and he won't give the results. It seems he's got no ambition and no pride. Perhaps his schemes are stale. Perhaps his toupe covers his eyes during playtime. Maybe he loves being in LaLa land. I'm years now in 'holding him in my hate", as an expression the Bard used in one of his plays. Anyway, we're as good if not better with another defensive coordinator, if not better, than with a proven loser.

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November 06, 2017 at 06:27 pm

One question I keep asking. How in the hell did the NFL get this bad this year. I mean for pro teams, there was a LOT of really bad football yesterday. We see this with teams who should be good, like New England and yes, Green Bay. I know it is a stupid question, but when did we allow the league to push this kind of shoddy play on us fans. Or maybe I just wasn't looking at gameplay after all. (Sorry about the mild OT rant.)

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November 06, 2017 at 06:30 pm

Inactives are posted...

http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-daily-news-story/article-...

As expected, this is a mostly healthy team this week. They'll miss Brooks and they'll miss Bennett (yes, they will), but this is what we've been looking forward to.

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November 06, 2017 at 06:35 pm

Maybe this year showed us why TT has eschewed signing FAs i.e., he is no better at it than he is at drafting, in fact, probably even worse.

I have been a Packer fan since late 50s but I'm critical of any GM who keeps blowing premium picks (Brian Brohm was the all-time worst but I can list a handful of DL that were picked early that were busts too and lately the CB picking hasn't been very good - we let Hayward and Hyde leave (immediate pro-bowlers) to make room for for Randall, Rollins, King & Jones).

I'm also critical of any HC that lacks creativity in his scheme and in his play calling.

W/o 12 our GM and coaches would have been fired a long time ago. Ben McAdoo and Joe Philbin have fared just as poorly.

Let's see what the team does tonight - no excuses - they are healthy & rested and have had 3 years to train their back-up QB or replace him. They chose to keep him so it's all on them. Bring on the game - 13 days is too long between games from a fan's perspective. If MM shits the bed tonight, we need a fresh start with a new front office and a top 5 draft pick. John Dorsey seems like a natural for GM. HC is a more difficult call but it should be somebody young, creative and innovative.

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