Why Packers Will Beat Texans and Why They Might Not

Why the Packers might win tonight, as well as some key things to watch in the preseason opener. 

The Green Bay Packers will finally kick off the 2019 season tonight at Lambeau Field. Well, the preseason at least.

After Green Bay has been practicing with the Houston Texans, something that is new for the Packers, the two teams will meet tonight in the preseason at Lambeau Field.

Obviously, this will provide some exciting opportunities for fans, not only to see Aaron Rodgers, but the new offense and new head coach Matt LaFleur. 

It came out today that Rodgers and LaFleur see the joint practices differently. Rodgers hates them (big shock) and LaFleur loves them. 

That's not the first difference that has come up between coach and quarterback. There has also been a lot of talk about audibles so the chemistry between the two will be interesting. 

Obviously, this isn't a normal game, so this won't be quite like the weekly version of why Green Bay will win and why it might not, but it will be close. Here is why Green Bay will win tonight, plus what to watch:

Why Packers will win / what to watch

Much of the attention tonight will be on the defensive side of the ball as new additions Preston Smith, Zadarius Smith, Adrian Amos, Rashan Gary and Darnell Savage make their debuts.

Defensive coordinator Mike Pettine should have all the tools needed to build a playoff-caliber defense and it will be fun to watch the unit together in live action.

Gary has been impressive so far in training camp and I think everyone wants to see the Michigan product rushing the passer off the edge. The secondary will be another group closely watched.

The defense should have more speed and a lot more size. With new additions, plus Dean Lowry just getting a deal, expect the Packers to fly around. And facing a team that has DeAndre Hopkins and Deshaun Watson should be a good test.

Offensively, the Packers are debuting their new system. Who knows what LaFleur will reveal but I expect the Packers to be aggressive, let Rodgers throw down field and try really hard to muster up some explosive plays. 

I know this is just a preseason game, but this staff wants to establish momentum and belief in this system. And since there is less time to learn, I think this will be treated more game-like than the Packers did under Mike McCarthy.

Due to that fact, as well as the heated battles at backup quarterback and receiver, I see Green Bay winning this game. The Packers are going to gives lots of reps to their young quarterbacks and their depth at wide receiver should help score points. 

Plus, preseason or not, Green Bay always plays better at Lambeau. 

Why Green Bay might lose

LaFleur could take a different tactic with Rodgers and sit him after just one series. Depending on how that goes, it is very plausible. Davante Adams and Jimmy Graham likely won't stay in long either or Aaron Jones or David Bakhtiari. 

The elite left tackle should sit because the Packers need to figure out who his backup will be. Billy Turner, a free-agent who has started at guard and tackle, could do it in a pinch along with Lane Taylor but it remains to be seen who is the swing tackle. 

However, the new coach is mixing things up so maybe he forces guys to play longer. It would be nice to see the offense go more than just one series. The defense will have a lot of moving parts and you can expect lots of mixing between the No.1's and No.2's. 

If I am being honest, I love preseason games because you can watch without really having to worry about the score. Certainly, it's better if the Packers win on the scoreboard, but it's really all about player evaluation.

In that regard, the position battles at wide receiver and in the secondary are fascinating. I want to see how Josh Jones fits into the mix along with Savage and Amos. Early on, watch Jaire Alexander and the other young corners take on Hopkins. That will be a great test on limiting big plays. 

This Houston offense is explosive and physical. It will be a test for the Packers defensively and the Texans pass rush should also provide a big challenge for the offensive line, which needs to protect better in 2019. 

It's hard to know what is considered a success in the preseason, but outside of a win, I'd say getting a positive showing from Rodgers is the No. 1 priority. That, along with some explosive plays by young receivers and a solid effort defensively would be a good night. 

Either way, football is finally here tonight. Go Pack Go. 

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Chris is a sports journalist from Montana and has been blogging about the Packers since 2011. Chris has been a staff writer for CheeseheadTV since 2017 and looks forward to the day when Aaron Rodgers wins his second Super Bowl. Follow him @thepackersguru

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Cubbygold's picture

August 08, 2019 at 05:16 am

Preseason or not, it feels good to say the packers are playing today!

My hope is the Gary hype train takes it up another notch tonight.

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NickPerry's picture

August 08, 2019 at 05:52 am

My hope is simple...

1) The Packers ST units go the entire without a penalty, keep the Texans from reaching the 25 on returns, reach the 30 or 35 on their own returns, and JK Scott in LIMITED action averages 4.98 hang-time and 57 yard punts.

2) Rodgers plays at least one series and the Packers are able to mix it up both running and passing the ball. The offense moves the ball down to the Red-Zone and Rodgers tosses a TD to someone other than Adams all the while NEVER going off-script...Just running the offense as it's called by MLF which gives Bayless and Marble-Mouth nothing to talk about for an entire week!

3) The starting defense plays 2 series against Watson and Hopkins with both ending in 3 and outs and sacks on 3rd down...Hell maybe one on 1st down too.

4) The Packers are able to evaluate the slew of young talent on this roster and NO ONE gets hurt!

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

August 08, 2019 at 06:33 am

Good call Nick!

Not wanting too much are we? :)

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Coldworld's picture

August 08, 2019 at 07:57 am

Well Rodgers won’t be playing. I shared that wish.

This outcome of the game means nothing. It’s a chance to see how units operate together and then to allow individual players to shine (or otherwise).

Want to see our back up O linemen show they can play together. One on one performance is a good indication of potential, but they have to be able to play with others before I will take them seriously.

Beyond that, want to see non starters impose themselves in all phases. Make a push, confirm camp flashes or show that the camp means nothing when the game starts and demand more snaps. This year there are a ton of players to whom that applies in every facet of O, D and ST.

O and D will be vanilla. This really is a forum for showing that a player can beat his man without the benefit of scheme and get into the right positions to do so.

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dobber's picture

August 08, 2019 at 07:58 am

My fear is that what we've seen the last couple years, namely that the backup OL gets handled by the opposition, will prevent the team from taking much away from the performances of backup QBs and the WRs who are fighting for jobs that the QBs are throwing to.

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Coldworld's picture

August 08, 2019 at 08:22 am

That is my fear. The number two o line has thus far been a sieve in practices and worse against the Texans in joint practices. Just seem to play like individuals not as a unit. Hard to judge QBs, catchers or running backs if that occurs. Moreover, risk of injury is going to be heightened unless that is a whole lot better.

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PatrickGB's picture

August 08, 2019 at 09:02 am

Much if not most of the game will be played by our backups. I have no faith in our backups at QB, RB and O-line. So while the defense will do ok the offense will not. But it’s preseason so I don’t mind if we lose. I expect the defense to look strong but the backups at offense and poor special teams will lose the game. Still, I wish the team well and hope for no injuries to key players.

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kevgk's picture

August 08, 2019 at 09:07 am

We'll see. I like Alex Light, Jenkins, and Madison. They could have a good game, and give Kizer enough time to throw interceptions all by himself

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PatrickGB's picture

August 08, 2019 at 09:29 am

Kev, I laughed at the Kizer interception take. I also see Kizer taking off on a few runs when he gets flustered. I see Light, Jenkins and Madison as ascending players. But not yet NFL ready. The backups at RB are worse than our fullback at the position. It’s going to be interesting.

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Coldworld's picture

August 08, 2019 at 09:51 am

I agree, it’s not that they are without talent, the one-on-ones flash that. The problem is (at least without Light) they have looked terrible as a unit. That will come, but to your point:

Can’t judge QB decision making or accuracy ability when being attacked from all angles.

Can’t judge a QB’s pocket presence in the pocket if there isn’t one or he has good reason to doubt that there will be.

Determining ability to go through progressions is prevented if QB is immediately pressured or scrambling to stay upright rather than play design.

If your QB is suffering from above, ball wont get out, negative plays will abound and receivers won’t have time to demonstrate route running or separation and will tend to be targeted only if quick read or dump off options.

Running backs will be either met in the backfield or have the line collapsed in. Even if not, will there be any lanes opened by the O line. Edge routes, something meant to be a priority are very difficult if early penetration.

Obviously these are worst case scenarios. The one positive would be that we will get to see RB/FB/TEs in run and pass protection probably.

The sad fact though is that from all that I have seen, there is a real possibility that the above will happen. Skill players will take the blame in part and we will come out with no fair objective information on QBs, receivers or RBs due to the line’s failings. Moreover there will then be mass soul searching on the impotence of the offense, QBs, RBs, etc.

I hope I am wrong but I believe that it is a real possibility if the ones don’t stay in (or play). The other O lines have been that bad. Perhaps a game environment will make them step up, otherwise I just hope it doesn’t lead to a string of injuries.

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porupack's picture

August 08, 2019 at 09:26 am

Well said, coldworld; if all the key starters are sitting, then the game really is about backups going against Texan backups. In other words what Jr Varsity players rise above other JV players, to be considered for the varsity team.

They should however put Bakh and Bul to protect Rodgers for 1 full passing series;
no run plays,
no punt
not play DAdams,
In that way, Texan defense plays the pass (simulating come from behind scenario), to fully test the mid tier WRs. Can they beat their man, and prove who is WR 2, 3 and 4. Let that begin to indicate who gets the reps with the #1s in the next week of camp.

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porupack's picture

August 08, 2019 at 09:29 am

Then, pull Rodgers, insert Kizer and do same; telegraph a series of all run plays, so Texans stack against the run, and see man on man, who goes to the varsity, and who stays on JV.

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Sol's picture

August 08, 2019 at 11:02 am

Pro football is all about deception. I would like to have other teams view our overblown controversy on play calling and audibles as something real. Rodgers and Lafleur are grown men and very mature, things will work out.
Look at New England you never know if they are going to, run or pass 50 time a game. They use everything possible to out coach or out play an opponent for the win. They have mastered the art of deception. Their use social media, manipulation of the press, and exploitation of all mismatches to affect the outcome of games.
I view the perception of their relationship between the QB and Coach to be a very valuable tool that needs to be exploited to the fullest. Keep other teams guessing while we keep stacking up the wins. The preseason is a perfect time to start, the media always wants a story, well give them one, use that tool that helps keep the opponents off balance and guessing. Especially our neighbors to the South da Bears. Wouldn’t that be a great start to the season.

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Packers2020's picture

August 08, 2019 at 02:10 pm

Pull Rodgers and insert Boyle. We already know how incompetent Kizer is as a QB. We need to see if Boyle can handle it against #1's and #2's.

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Coldworld's picture

August 08, 2019 at 09:57 am

Excellent ideas.

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NickPerry's picture

August 08, 2019 at 10:46 am

Still want to see Rodgers get some work AND be successful. I understand he probably won't play but IMO his ass needs work too!

I share yours and dobbers view on the O-Line...Most certainly don't want to see them IF Rodgers is one field...Just Bakh, Taylor or Jenkins, Lindsey or Jenkins, Turner, and Bulaga.

Vanilla or not I'd still like to see Rodgers and he rest of the 1st teamers perform no matter how long they play.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

August 08, 2019 at 11:54 am

"Rodgers plays at least one series"

That seams pretty unlikely.

I want to see Kizer play. And if he sucks I want to see the Packers immediately pull the trigger getting a passable backup on the roster.

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Mannix's picture

August 08, 2019 at 12:17 pm

lol Jeremy, why would you or anyone at this point actually WANT to see Kizer play? You say "and if he sucks". Again lol. He sucks Jeremy, he sucks. He's an interception throwing machine. That's what he does. That's all he does. He's the terminator of bad qb's. Then you make matters worse and say we need to pull the trigger on getting a passable backup. What? Hold your horses on that final thought and wait until you see Tim Boyle tonight. I think you'll be put at ease similar to how Aaron Rodgers finally put everyone at ease in 2007 against Dallas. Tim Boyle is the real deal. He's not a backup. He's a legit starting qb with no ability to start at the moment because Rodgers is ahead of him. We are in good shape at "backup" trust me.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

August 08, 2019 at 12:45 pm

"why would you or anyone at this point actually WANT to see Kizer play?"

Because MLF has had success with mediocre QBs in the past as has Kyle Shanahan who runs a similar scheme. So I'd like to see if Kizer can be useful or not given it's unlikely they can get another QB without trading away assets.

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Coldworld's picture

August 08, 2019 at 12:51 pm

If you are looking for MLF to develop them, the first preseason game of his tenure is way too early to assess success or failure.

I think Rodgers and the ones should play. Until it’s in sync it’s not time to chill. If our back up line was adequate, that would be enough, but you can’t really judge behind the mess ours has been, whether it’s Kizer, Boyle, Wilkins or anyone unless you want to assess scrambling and broken play ability. Let’s hope today sees a more adequate performance from the back up lines so we can see what others can do too.

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August 08, 2019 at 12:55 pm

The problem with that Jeremy is Kizer isn't even mediocre. He's less than zero. If Rodgers goes down LaFleur will not be "saved by zero".

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August 08, 2019 at 02:29 pm

"He's less than zero."

That's just nonsense.

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Mannix's picture

August 08, 2019 at 04:35 pm

Is it Jeremy? Is it? If Gutey calls up a team, any team and says how much in dollars would you take for Kizer, I guarantee you every single GM would tell Gutey you would have to pay me to take him. That is what's referred to as "less than zero". He's worthless jeremy. I know you don't want to hear it but it's true. He has zero value unless you are a GM looking to tank his team to get the no. 1 pick to draft a star qb than Kizer has value as your starter. It did work in Cleveland and it can work again. I would prefer it not to be in Green Bay sorry.

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Coldworld's picture

August 08, 2019 at 06:40 pm

If there is a less than zero here, it’s the level of sense in your post above.

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Mannix's picture

August 08, 2019 at 06:46 pm

Ok, how can I explain this better. Let's say Kizer is one of those big ass tv's from the 1980's and you want to get rid of it. You put an ad for 50.00 in the paper or on Craigslist and nobody bites. You then put it in the free section. Again, nobody bites. So in the end you end up taking Kizer to the recycling center where they charge you 80.00 to dump him off. That is Kizer. You are out 80.00 which is -80.00 or "less than zero". Now do you understand Coldworld?

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Samson's picture

August 08, 2019 at 08:36 pm

Go away Dash.. you're easy to spot.

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Samson's picture

August 08, 2019 at 08:35 pm

Remember --- you're responding to Dash Riprock.... He's been bounced from this site more than once.

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PackfanNY's picture

August 08, 2019 at 06:51 am

My biggest hope for this game is that the Packers come out of the game relatively healthy. No serious injuries please.

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Leatherhead's picture

August 08, 2019 at 10:10 am

Exactly and ditto. The game itself is meaningless other than it gives the coaching staff film on guys against actual NFL talent from another team. Looking good in college, or in practice, is not the same as looking good against real NFL players in game conditions.

Remember when we lost Jordy in the preseason? That affected our offense for the entire year.

I would hope we're about at the end of the Kizer experiment. I don't think he'll be cut after the game, but if Boyle does anything then he should move up to #2.

The special teams situation has a solution, and I've articulated it here many times. De-emphasize special teams. Kick less, punt less, return less and take the game out of the hands of a bunch of rookies and UDFAs and put it in the hands of your best players. I don't think that'll happen, I think we'll continue to have problems on special teams. JMO.

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Mannix's picture

August 08, 2019 at 10:37 am

"I would hope we're about at the end of the Kizer experiment. I don't think he'll be cut after the game, but if Boyle does anything then he should move up to #2."

This is what I am hoping and praying for Old School. I am one of the few, very few people here that see greatness in Tim Boyle. I honestly see him as the next great qb to take over for Rodgers so for me Boyle has to produce and will produce tonight. This is his shot and he knows it. The great ones always find a way to rise to the top so I expect Boyle to make his move tonight and pass Kizer forever. My only advice to him would be do not pass to J'Mon Moore this preseason like he did last year.

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Cubbygold's picture

August 08, 2019 at 12:20 pm

Boyle is about to turn 25 and Rodgers, barring injury, is playing another 5 years. So if he's the next great GB quarterback, he'll have to do it in his 30s.

I think if neither is impressive this preseason, then a high pick on QB becomes realistic in the next few years.

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Packers2020's picture

August 08, 2019 at 02:14 pm

Did you see what happened with Favre?

The Packers do not have to keep AR his whole contract. He may only be here two more years.

Just because he wants to play until he is 40 or 41 does not mean that he gets to.

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Leatherhead's picture

August 08, 2019 at 02:22 pm

Given that Rodgers has either been out by injury, or hampered by injury, since he was about 30 years old, I'd say it's unlikely he'll be our starter for 5 years.

Name one elite QB who has had more injuries than Rodgers over the last half dozen years. Not Brady, nor Brees, nor Ryan, nor anybody else.

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August 08, 2019 at 03:38 pm

i have Rodgers retiring in two years Old School. Boyle takes over in three. I agree. Just because Brady is a freak playing at 42 doesn't mean every other great one is suddenly going to fall in line. Rodgers is at the end. Not middle, the end.

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August 08, 2019 at 08:37 pm

Go away Dash... you're banned... remember.

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dobber's picture

August 08, 2019 at 10:51 am

We are about to find out if it really was the coaching or the player that was Kizer's problem. Many have said that he was thrown to the wolves too early in Cleveland, and others have said that MM didn't adjust what he was doing to give Kizer/Hundley a better chance to be successful. In essence, they're saying his problem was that is isn't ARod. If the OL can protect him enough, we'll see if he can function in an offense that provides him a little more structure.

I agree with you (mostly) on STs and 4th down plays. It's only a matter of time before teams move in this direction on their own, which will make it easier for the league to do away with KOs.

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Leatherhead's picture

August 08, 2019 at 02:26 pm

Alll the angst about special teams inspired me to do some research.

Using footballoutsiders.com, I determined that there are some teams that are consistently good over the last four years. Rams, Baltimore, Chiefs, New England.

But there doesn't appear to be much correlation between special teams prowess and making the playoffs. Last year, the Jets were the best in the NFL on special teams. The Giants and Jacksonville were in the top 4. Cincinnati and Washington were in the top 8. None of them made the playoffs. Chargers, Seahawks, Cowboys were all in the bottom third and they all made the playoffs.

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Coldworld's picture

August 08, 2019 at 12:57 pm

The biggest negatives (injury aside) from the joint practices were their returns.

Unless we find a kicker who can kick it out of the end zone every time, even in December with the snow falling and the wind against him, you can’t eradicate return coverage even if one never does anything other than fair catch or leave to bounce into the end zone.

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Leatherhead's picture

August 08, 2019 at 09:48 pm

Mason Crosby, throughout his career, has kicked the ball into the end zone,

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Leatherhead's picture

August 08, 2019 at 09:49 pm

crap

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murf7777's picture

August 08, 2019 at 07:23 am

Our wait is over:)

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stockholder's picture

August 08, 2019 at 07:26 am

Anticipation is sky high. Make room. Tweak the roster. No mercy. The practice field has now become the battle field. Making the right decisions and judgements starts tonight. Finally all the camp talk ends. We now can compare and see the choices. We can see whether or not, the packers changes will be effective. Corrections that hopefully won't require any more Time. If they play Smart. We won't see stupid penalties. That would be Ugly. The solution is working together. Whats coming should be players that make a difference.

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August 08, 2019 at 07:31 am

I was not at practice, I have no film from practice, but the reports from practice on the line of scrimmage, particularly our O-line vs the Texans D line are a bit concerning. It sounds like the Texans were much more physical and beat up the Packers a bit. Who knows, but I will be looking for effort and physicality along the LOS. I want to see a little nasty.

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Coldworld's picture

August 08, 2019 at 08:29 am

Missing Linsley didn’t help at all. Madison looked a lot worse than Patrick at Center, but Patrick can’t get to the next level (though he sure can maul).

Madison’s shotgun snaps have required QBs to have great verticals. That also doesn’t help. At the moment, neither Jenkins nor Madison have shown that they are capable of replacing Linsley without a major drop off. I would not be surprised if Patrick starts, but that will not help the running game even if it might help keep the QB upright.

The Texans have a pretty good front 7. How much their starters will play I don’t know, but that was one major factor in the offense struggling in joint practices.

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Swisch's picture

August 08, 2019 at 10:33 am

I'm not thrilled about Madison being at center, anyway.
Doesn't he have enough to do just learning how to block in the pros?
I thought Jenkins was one of our guys at that position. He has experience at center in college.

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August 08, 2019 at 01:02 pm

My guess is that they are trying to get them trained at a new position (Madison) and one not played really in college (Jenkins). That’s probably part of the roster depth calculations. So far so rough, but the line hasn’t been good with them both at guard and Patrick or McCray at Center either. Both look promising in one-on-ones though.

I also would rather they had got them used to playing at their position of comfort first. Perhaps we would have a better line tonight then. Then again, I am not a coach and the longer term is more important I guess.

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August 08, 2019 at 07:36 am

I hope that when the offense sputters, and it will, people try to understand that the install of a new offense takes months and not just weeks. I know some people are going to lose their minds when things break down. Let's Just trust that the system works and keep our expectations reasonable. It's a long season.

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August 08, 2019 at 07:56 am

The preseason is always 'vanilla time' on both sides of the ball, anyway.

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August 08, 2019 at 08:00 am

And it seems we will see very little if anything of the experienced starters. This will be a two, three and four fest as I understand it. Player evaluation seems the focus.

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August 08, 2019 at 07:51 am

Local paper (Madison) indicated that Rogers doesn't expect to play tonight and all three backup QBs are expected to get time. I would like to find out if we have a backup QB on the roster now or if Gute needs to go shopping again.

Otherwise just looking at individual players to see how they perform in game situations. I always find it surprising when some camp stars just fade when the bright lights go on.

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August 08, 2019 at 08:06 am

I don't expect the Packers offense to do anything fancy. LaFleur already voted the Texans ties to the Bears.

I am interested in how LaFleur uses the challenge flag and how the refs officiate PI.

On ST's, I am interested to see the directional pointing the team has been working on with Scott. I also want to see how Ficken reacts to kicking against pressure, although I think Crosby already won the job.

On Offense, I want to see how Moore does. He could very well get cut off he doesn't show up.

On Defense, I want to see utter dominance by Team 2. With guys like Gary going up against backups, their backup QB should have no time to throw. Ty Summers made a lot of plays when I was at camp. He is being slept on. He just has a nose for the ball. I want to see if that carries over. P. Smith has struggled in coverage. Can he show any coverage ability? I really want to see if Oren Burks progress, especially in coverage, will carry into the game. He has looked good.

Edit: Since people are so interested in the backup QB spot, I'll explain what I saw at camp. Kizer has shown absolutely no progress. Boyle so it a little but still makes mistakes. He still has that rocket arm as well. Manny has quite a good arm but he cocks and loads. He stares down WR's but is accurate.

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August 08, 2019 at 08:40 am

DH,
Good comments!

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dobber's picture

August 08, 2019 at 08:41 am

"On ST's, I am interested to see the directional pointing the team has been working on with Scott."

Kick it over there!!!

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August 08, 2019 at 08:56 am

" I also want to see how Ficken reacts to kicking against pressure, although I think Crosby already won the job."

Don't count those chickens, yet. Admittedly, Crosby has had few reps so far, but they're in a dead heat, percentage-wise, against the rush. There's almost $3.5M to save against the cap if Crosby gets cut, and his deal expires after 2019, anyway, with it being questionable that the Packers would want to give his weakening KO leg another deal. If Ficken outkicks him by any meaningful margin, I wouldn't be surprised to see Crosby cut loose.

If the offense struggles in PS games, though, it might be tough to get either enough opportunities in game situations to draw any meaningful conclusions. Still, the last time Crosby was iffy, they brought in Georgio Tavecchio to challenge him in camp and it straightened him out. Hopefully, if the Packers retain Crosby, Ficken will have challenged him enough to get him back on track.

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August 08, 2019 at 09:00 am

Well, Crosby has a long history to rely on. Ficken has hit some long FG's which helps him, but for someone to unseat a veteran like Crosby, that have to have an outstanding preseason. Ficken just hasn't been close to good enough IMO. I think we'd be far better off keeping Crosby and then eventually drafting his replacement. There's no reason Crosby can't be extended, too. He is only 34 years-old, so he could have a long career ahead of him yet. Adam Vinitieri still kicks at 46 years-old.

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August 08, 2019 at 06:41 pm

Crosby has been a better than average kicker for the Packers. Vinitieri he is not. People decline at different rates and ages, and start from differing positions. Crosby has never had elite leg strength, for example.

As with all vets these conversations often start with the assumption of static capabilities. Crosby may be the same as last year. If so, he will have no trouble beating out Ficken. If he can’t, Ficken is either better, or more likely, Crosby has declined. If so, relying on history is a false indicator.

Let them fight it out. If Ficken doesn’t beat Crosby, you will get your wish. If he does, we need to face it that we need to look elsewhere, whether to Ficken or another.

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August 08, 2019 at 10:56 am

I agree: while kickers can have very long careers, the leg doesn't last forever. We've already seen his leg strength declining on his KOs--especially as the weather gets colder. Supposedly, Scott can handle kickoffs if needed, but if there's little or no plan to keep Crosby beyond the end of his contract in 2019, the ability to carry his $3.5M in cap savings might be very tempting assuming the FG/PAT competition is close or working against him.

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August 08, 2019 at 01:05 pm

Scott tried a kick off in a game last year and kicked it in to touch for a penalty. He has the leg, but needs to practice if that is a serious option.

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August 08, 2019 at 10:59 am

This is the totally wrong way to think about the Kicking position IMO. Kickers do not get a big enough data set in the preseason to rely solely on that. That's why teams almost always stick with the veteran kicker unless the gap is large. Crosby has also had quite good leg strength, and many would call it elite, it just depends on how big the "elite" category is to you. We don't want to Gould ourselves.

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August 08, 2019 at 01:11 pm

Nobody wants to Gould themselves. Nobody wants to be left with a struggling kicker whether they be a vet or a rookie. If Crosby still has it and Ficken doesn’t, the sample size over the next 4 games and practices is plenty big enough.

The reason teams tend to keep a vet kicker is not that, it’s because vet kickers have proven the mental aspect. Kicking us an extremely stressful role. We know Crosby can handle that. That’s why the odds are in his favor.

However, if Ficken does outplay him, Crosby May have reached a point where his abilities don’t compensate for his mental resilience. At that point one isn’t doing a Gould knee jerk, rather one is not letting history blind you to present reality.

Zero reason to end the competition, my money is on Crosby, but he should have to earn it.

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August 08, 2019 at 10:00 am

Decision time on Fricken tonight. Known issues that he has had time to correct, to date in camp he has not. Yup, Ficken still in camp due to Crosby contract. If he goes wide right tonight, he's gone. Now the Packers may think about bringing in another kicker, but then they should cut both and let Crosby work a new deal with some other club (Hint:DA Bears) while they look at the scrap heap. Is Gute that dumb, no he is not. So Gute sucks it up and Crosby stays. (And don't think that the Bears won't overpaid Crosby. BONK. BONK. BONK. BONK!!! away from the Superbowl......)

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August 08, 2019 at 10:57 am

If Ficken isn't the guy, cutting both isn't the answer until you have a guy you like, IMO. Cut the guy you don't like, keep the one you like better, bring in a new guy. Repeat until satisfied.

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August 08, 2019 at 12:19 pm

If there is a year to cut Crosby and go with a younger guy this year is the time to do it. I don't want to do it next year in year 3 for the defense and year 2 for the offense. If it's going to happen get it over with now.

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Coldworld's picture

August 08, 2019 at 01:37 pm

I have to disagree with your take on the QBs. Canvassed a few people I know, just to make sure it’s not just my twisted take.

I agree Kizer has made some howlers. In between those he has also made some very difficult throws. None of us saw the latter from him last year. He has also been less inclined to start running. That growth is the definition of development as yet incomplete, but it is development.

What he needs to do now is eliminate the mental mistakes. He has the physical talent, can he overcome the mental lapses. Half of him is currently starter caliber, the other is a water carrier.

Boyle, whom we all liked a lot, has been something of a let down. Great arm but randomly skies passes and has not always been accurate. In essence, no discernible refinement in last year: promise but still looks like the rough around the edges guy from last year.

Wilkins, on a limited sample, reminds us a little bit of Flynn. Moxie, mobility and a decent arm (early Flynn) and the ability to salvage something from nothing. He might have decent backup potential in future.

None of these QBs would be my first choice we’re I building a roster, obviously. If the three, Kizer has the talent but needs to master the mental side of it (Rodgers had to too). Boyle could be a decent number 2 down the road but has not obviously taken a step yet: he is what he was last year, raw but intriguing. Wilkins is a work in progress.

If one had to be chosen today, contrary to the accepted Wisdom here, Kizer was our consensus. Sorry, won’t be popular, but that’s what we see. Again, we don’t know if he will overcome the mental lapses, but at this point he shows more than anyone else.

It would be great to have a better QB behind Rodgers, but I am not aware of one floating around who would be. Perhaps there will be a cut down option ( though they would take weeks to get up to speed probably), but given the needs of some teams, I’m not convinced anyone shining in preseason yet available for trade or any roster cut will be better than we have, affordable or willing to sit behind Rodgers if cut.

Be careful what you wish for those who would eject a Kizer. There is a lot of BS bandwagon talk that suggests an easy route to QB reassurance. The good news is that next year is supposed to be a good QB draft. Until then, maybe one of Boyle or Kizer will click. Let’s hope so not hope one of them out of town in return for a wing and a prayer.

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sam1's picture

August 08, 2019 at 08:03 am

My only hope it is the last time I see Kizer in a Packer uniform!

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Mannix's picture

August 08, 2019 at 04:17 pm

I'll pop an ice cold Schlitz, Pabst or Old Milwaukee to that one sammy.

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August 08, 2019 at 08:42 am

My Packers crystal ball for tonight says "expect many starters to get minimal to zero playing time. That 2nd and 3rd stringers will be mixed and matched with 1st stringers throughout the game making consistency and continuity near impossible to evaluate.

Furthermore, you will see some very positive individual plays both on defense, special teams, and offense. You will also see individuals on all three of those squads struggle and look bad from time to time. The Packers effectively will be able to evaluate their players. You will see the new head coach in a walking boot on sidelines. Also believe the boot will be grayish in color.

The offense will appear out of synch from time to time. Pundits will state Rodgers (if he plays....crystall ball opaque regarding this for some reason) audibles out of several called plays.

It is that exciting time of the year! Lots of competition with some promising players. Go Pack go!

PS: My boys Tonyan, and ESB both will have 2 plus receptions. My predictions not my crystal ball! :)

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

August 08, 2019 at 08:10 am

Who will get cut after the 1st preseason game?

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Coldworld's picture

August 08, 2019 at 08:35 am

Probably no one unless someone the team wanted becomes available suddenly (for example Campbell ready to pass a physical), gets injured or does something incredibly stupid.

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stockholder's picture

August 08, 2019 at 09:18 am

Cut Mercedes Lewis. Give him a chance to get on another team. The packers don't need 4 TEs. Lewis slows the playing time and development of of Robert and Jace. The game is speed. 7 Wrs works. Not 4 Tes.

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August 08, 2019 at 09:32 am

Given the rise of Vitale, it is possible Lewis will be viewed as redundant as the Muscle Man can play the role of a blocking TE in addition to everything else he does.

But I expect Hackett will want to keep Lewis around for a few more weeks to evaluate his fit in the O given their long experience together in Jacksonville.

But I have not heard much about Lewis in camp to date as far as receptions. Perhaps he is quietly doing the job blocking in the run game and pass pro?

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Coldworld's picture

August 08, 2019 at 10:07 am

I agree that is a possibility, but it won’t be at this point: if Vitale went down who would be your blocker without Lewis?

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flackcatcher's picture

August 08, 2019 at 10:11 am

As mentioned on other threads here, Vitale is 5'11 and 225. To small for the online blocking needed in the new offensive system. Frankly, he's here because the Packers have only him and Williams to handle the backside on play action and 5-7 step drops. Williams is a good blocker, Vitale is not...yet. (The number of Wisconsin FB that could have been taken that fit this system...Well there are only a handful of Div. 1 problems that have run a FB/HB so it is what it is. (sigh)

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dobber's picture

August 08, 2019 at 11:00 am

I shudder at the thought of the only thing between Kahlil Mack or Everson Griffen and ARod being the Packers thinking Danny Vitale can hold them up at the line.

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Bear's picture

August 08, 2019 at 11:06 am

Combine info lists Vitale at 239 Lbs not 225 Lbs.

Measurables, Combine results
40-yd dash Bench press reps Vertical jump Broad Jump 3 cone drill 20-yd shuttle
4.60 sec. 30 38 1/2 in. 123 in. 7.12 sec. 4.12 sec.
Height Weight Arm length Hand size
6'1" 239 lbs 31 3/4 in. 9 3/4 in.

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August 08, 2019 at 11:18 am

You guys are over-thinking the value of Lewis. If we have to rely on his blocking we lost. Lewis and blocking TEs were MMs thinking. Your still not going to run a lot, with Rodgers at QB. With Rodgers; it's shoot fast and throw bullets. Lefleur was brought in because they thought MM was stale. Rodgers will beat any blitz.

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DraftHobbyist's picture

August 08, 2019 at 11:33 am

The way I see this Offense working is that it hits a lot of checkdowns/timing routes as well as a bunch of runs. This allows the Packers to move the chains. Built into this type of Offense is that the Defense never knows if the TE's are run-blocking, pass-blocking, or going for a pass. That makes things very tough on the Defense, especially if you have a guy like Lewis that is big enough to block quite well and yet has good enough hands to be a threat receiving. And then after all this short stuff and moving the chains, the Packers can go deep with the Defense biting underneath. In Tennessee, LaFleur used 3 TE sets at times, and TE is already one of those positions where each different body type can be used differently, so having extra TE's is quite useful.

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Mannix's picture

August 08, 2019 at 11:35 am

Vitale is quickly gaining cult/legend status similar to Kuhn. He's a lock for the team already and very well might make Mercedes Lewis expendable. Fans are loving this guy. His arms are huge. He can run, block and is great at catching the ball. He can do it all from everything I've see of him so far. Last week he caught a sideline pass and was athletic and tough enough to survive a vicious hit and still keep his feet in bounds and gain more yards up the field. I have to say, if it's Vitale going up agains Mack or Griffin I'll take Vitale over the aging Lewis. He's one tough cookie, a bull dog.

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DraftHobbyist's picture

August 08, 2019 at 01:01 pm

I'm aware, but Vitale is a FB, not a TE. I don't understand why people are conflating these two positions.

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August 08, 2019 at 01:36 pm

Actually I heard him speak on the local sports news. He said he used to play tight end so he is very good at catching the football and he is from everything I saw so far. Catches everything in sight. A very odd and unusual talent stack this Vitale has. He's a hybrid mix of fullback and a tight end is you ask me. Dare I say a Colt Lyerla type? He's a lock to make this team. I can't say the same for Marcedes Lewis. The locals in Green Bay are already going crazy over this guy's talents. I am telling you we found our next John Kuhn.

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Samson's picture

August 08, 2019 at 08:39 pm

Dash... Please... you're inventing stuff like always.

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Coldworld's picture

August 08, 2019 at 06:50 pm

He was a pass catcher not a blocker or runner in college. A major offensive weapon not a short yardage dump off guy. Cleveland tried to make him a traditional fullback and, as he has said, it didn’t really suit him. He is not a Henderson or a Kuhn.

He is something of a FB/TE hybrid with big running back speed and agility and a smaller, more compact frame but his plus skill is catching. Call him what you will, if it works, great, but he needs to be able to block well, which he struggled to do in Cleveland.

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August 08, 2019 at 01:01 pm

I'm aware, but Vitale is a FB, not a TE. I don't understand why people are conflating these two positions.

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August 08, 2019 at 01:41 pm

Nobody is now doubting his passing impact compared to Lewis. The debate is about his blocking prowess. Perhaps he will have developed, but Vitale has never been a frequent or very impressive blocker. Lewis may not be much else, but he is all we obviously have who is a plus run and pass blocker among the TE/FB group.

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Leatherhead's picture

August 08, 2019 at 12:05 pm

If you're going to run double TE sets, you need TEs. The game is not speed; it is blocking and tackling, as always. Lewis can get his guy blocked

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August 08, 2019 at 01:38 pm

I have mixed feelings about this. I am concerned that 4 TE ‘s may be too many, but feel McCarthy really should have used Lewis more last year. One of the best blocking TE ‘s out there. That’s important in MLF’s run game scheme. And Vitale’s a lock, so we have a fullback and at least 3 tight ends.

On the other hand, with that depth at tight end, it could give us the value we would need to trade for a capable backup QB IF none of our current crop step up and show something in these preseason games. And I think we have to have a capable backup!

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Mannix's picture

August 08, 2019 at 04:23 pm

I predict Kevin King will get cut sitting on the sharp corner edge of the bench. Thankfully it won't be anything serious.

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Samson's picture

August 08, 2019 at 08:40 pm

Typical Dash comment.

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Since'61's picture

August 08, 2019 at 08:56 am

I’m just hoping for no serious injuries. Let the scrubs play and see if there is anything there to evaluate. The rest is window dressing.

The team already knows which 40 -45 players will be on the roster. Let the bottom third make a case for themselves. The game and the score are irrelevant.
Be smart, make it to Week One with a healthy roster.
Thanks, Since ‘61

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Coldworld's picture

August 08, 2019 at 01:42 pm

Well said Sir!

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Leatherhead's picture

August 08, 2019 at 03:35 pm

I think 90% of the 53 man roster is set.

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mrtundra's picture

August 08, 2019 at 09:25 am

After waiting for football since last season, I don't want to end up being disappointed in the Packers' performance, should they lay an egg against Houston, tonight. I just want a reason, tonight, to watch next week's game and see improvement in this team's play and ability to come together.

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August 08, 2019 at 09:27 am

I do not expect AJ to play and hope he does not given his tight hamstring that has kept him out of practice for a week.

And if Rodgers plays, I hope it is just a series or two to see how the starting unit is operating the new O.

But if he doesn't take a snap this game, I would understand.

Finally, it is humorous to see the media take Aaron's comments about not liking joint practices...and Matt's that he does...to build a "narrative" about another perceived "difference" between the two and more trouble in paradise.

It is shocking, shocking I tell you that the QB and head coach have opinions that are not exactly the same.

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PatrickGB's picture

August 08, 2019 at 09:47 am

LP, when there really isn’t much to report the “media” makes stuff up. I think that people are starting to understand that the media is just ordinary people with their own opinions and not given into holding any special insights. Too much credence is given to so called journalists when theirs is just another opinion. My take is that Rodgers has opinions and others have opinions too. But so what? My wife does not have the same opinions that I have and we get along just fine. Sheesh, if the media reported it, we would would have been divorced decades ago.

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Coldworld's picture

August 08, 2019 at 10:10 am

Rodgers is talking from a veteran player’s perspective: he wants to get the system down in all it’s complexity. LaFleur has to evaluate players. Totally different priorities. Not surprising that they have different perspectives.

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August 08, 2019 at 01:11 pm

CW, I agree but why state it publicly? No need to give the media any ammo!

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August 08, 2019 at 01:49 pm

Neither knew what the other had said I suspect. That said, Faced with a microphone, sometimes thought get out without first thinking through the wider context. I think Rodgers just gave an honest personal reaction.

Sadly there are some who will see Machiavellian intent, but I think he thought it got in the way of the ones rolling out the real offense and thus would rather not. That seems to have been his frustration. In retrospect it would have been better to give a full statement or nothing at all, but we are all human and things slip. Think that’s all this is and I do like his excitement for the non vanilla O.

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dobber's picture

August 08, 2019 at 11:14 am

When Florio says in his "headline" that this disagreement "amounts to" ARod disrespecting LaFleur, he's admitting that he's taking liberties with the information.

If the practice actually violated what's in the CBA, if ARod doesn't report it, someone else will.

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Lare's picture

August 08, 2019 at 01:36 pm

Florio disses Rodgers so that he can gets lots of clicks from Bears, Vikings and Lions fans.

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August 08, 2019 at 10:13 am

Glad Rodgers isn't going to play. To me the one guy that has the most to gain in this game is the rocket man with the rocket arm. Of course I am talking about Tim Boyle. He really really impressed me last preseason and his stay in the pocket throwing style ala Lynn Dickey is perfect for this offense. If he can take his game to a new level, we can finally put an end to the disastrous trade deal with Cleveland last year. I will be rooting for Boyle to take that job from Kizer tonight and send him packing. Tonight is all about solidifying that backup qb spot in my book. Go Boyle!!

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August 08, 2019 at 11:35 am

I just love Boyle. I tried to get behind Kizer, but I just can't. He has not improved, and mentally he just doesn't have it.

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August 08, 2019 at 11:35 am

I just love Boyle. I tried to get behind Kizer, but I just can't. He has not improved, and mentally he just doesn't have it.

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August 08, 2019 at 11:46 am

Welcome aboard the Boyle train Draft Hobbyist. I love Boyle as well. I love his aggressiveness, his toughness in the pocket and of course that Jeff George rocket arm of his. I am sure there's other Boyleists here that are willing to officially come out. Now is that time folks.

As for Kizer. I said this yesterday. Kizer to me is Brett Favre without the td passes. He's all interceptions and no wins. It's time for Gutey to get rid of his mistake. He made up for it with Boyle so nobody will care. Let it go Gutey. It's time!!

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August 08, 2019 at 11:52 am

I'm the one who created the Boyle train. I go to most of the practices and reported on how well he was doing. Happy to have you on board, though.

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August 08, 2019 at 11:52 am

I'm the one who created the Boyle train. I go to most of the practices and reported on how well he was doing. Happy to have you on board, though.

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Coldworld's picture

August 08, 2019 at 01:51 pm

Both trains may never reach the station. Beware pre season crushes, they tend to impair judgment.

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fastmoving's picture

August 08, 2019 at 02:28 pm

…...and the Rip loser is back as well.

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August 08, 2019 at 12:26 pm

I'm with you Mannix!!
Go Boyle Go!!

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August 08, 2019 at 12:50 pm

Ok Hematie, I just marked you down in my book. Thank you. That's three Boyleists. Anybody else?

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Samson's picture

August 08, 2019 at 08:41 pm

Funny how Dash had a hard on for Boyle too... Go away Dash.

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August 08, 2019 at 09:24 pm

Lots of people will have hard ons for Boyle after tonights performance. It's always a little special when you can see a guy like Boyle do exactly as you vision. It's all come together for the young man tonight. This is the night he separates himself from Kizer. Enjoy the game Samson. This is history.

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August 08, 2019 at 09:51 pm

Folks, final update: Tim Boyle was so great tonight that LaFleur cut his playing time short and is putting in the rookie Wilkins in the 4th. Again, Boyle was borderline dominant in his performance tonight throwing 2 td's on 2 drives. Kizer only 1 td on three drives and his pass was so high on the td that it almost cut Shepherds head off as he landed. Great night tonight for all Packers fans. I do believe we found our backup and future starting qb when Rodgers retires.

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August 08, 2019 at 09:15 pm

Have to cut in here for a second and give everyone who can't see the game an update. Boyle is absolutely dominating the qb competition tonight. 2 td's on two drives. Everything I thought he would be tonight and more!!

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Bearmeat's picture

August 08, 2019 at 10:40 am

Seeing as there is no longer a preseason streaming package on nfl.com, I will not be able to watch any of the preseason games. I'll get highlights and read about it tomorrow. :(

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Tarynfor12's picture

August 08, 2019 at 12:58 pm

bilasport.net

Watch whatever game you want. : )

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Leatherhead's picture

August 08, 2019 at 05:59 pm

I live in Texas so I'm getting it live through the NBC affiliate .

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Samson's picture

August 08, 2019 at 08:43 pm

Two weeks ago you lived in Northern Wisconsin. -- You've moved to Texas?

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August 08, 2019 at 09:44 pm

Born in Menominee. Raised in Rhinelander. Most of my adult life in the Army and Texas. Lots of relatives in Barron County.

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Swisch's picture

August 08, 2019 at 10:41 am

To give our offensive line time to develop, let's see our new coach work his creative magic with a dizzying array of short passes and an imaginative variety of runs.
Remember how well Rodgers did last year in the season opener against the Bears in the second half -- after he was immobilized by a leg injury?
Quick, quick, quick. Then an occasional play-action for a look downfield.
We can be somewhat vanilla and still mix things up.
Please, Aaron, throw to those quick openers; move the chains; stay healthy!

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August 08, 2019 at 10:55 am

As long as there are no significant injuries I'll be happy. Who cares what the final score of this "game" is.

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August 08, 2019 at 10:59 am

I think the Packers win if everyone stays healthy, and the players pushing for a roster spot are in top form. I want to see the WR battle play out. I do not want to watch the back up QB battle. It infuriates me to watch Kizer. His reps should be going to someone who has the ability to lead a team on a backup basis.

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August 08, 2019 at 11:12 am

I'm not giving up on Kizer.
He came into the pros unpolished with not all that much experience at Notre Dame; and he's only in his third year.
Patience and positivity!
He'll be aided tonight by quick passing plays and a mixture of runs.

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August 08, 2019 at 01:55 pm

If we could somehow fuse Boyle and Kizer we might make a starter. Both have potential, both have yet to achieve it. The back up QB love is befuddling minds. Hopefully one will take a jump preseason. In the meantime hopefully a few more open minds and less partisan rose colored spectacles. Off to get my eyes checked because I read things my eyes did not see.

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August 08, 2019 at 11:03 am

I don't see us winning with DeShone Kizer at the helm, who has looked like GARBAGE in training camp so far.

I hated trading away DeMarious Randall then and still hate it now. I get that Randall had some locker room issues, but my goodness, he was a FIRST ROUND pick and a starter, and we got a bad QB who will neveer amount to anything.

What bothers me even more is the fact that this team STILL does not have a legit back-up NFL QB. Kizer will be out of the league in 2020. Between Spriggs getting cut, Kevin "The Injury King" and Josh Jones, that is the reason why we've dug ourselves a hole and missed the playoffs the past two seasons.

For tonight, I expect hiccups and kinks to be worked out on the offensive side. I hope plays come in on time and LaFleur isn't burning timeouts the way MM used to. I expect the defense to get most of the headlines after the game.

More than anything though, let's just get in and get out healthy.

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August 08, 2019 at 03:57 pm

Rossonero....I have been sounding the alarm about the backup QB situation for two years but people insist we don't need one.

We could have taken Lamar Jackson. We could have had the guy who was generally regarded as the 2nd best QB in this draft, Haskins.

Rodgers has been bothered by more by injuries over the last six season than any other starting QB. Brady, Eli, Ryan, Wilson, Roethlisberger, Cousins, Brees. He's missed big chunks of the season twice, played through injuries that have hampered him twice, had concussions.

But we're rolling the dice on him staying healthy. I think it's stupid to bet a half-billion dollar business on one guy.

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Samson's picture

August 08, 2019 at 08:45 pm

Lamar Jackson, Drew Lock and on & on... You may actually be right about the BU QB position, but pick a viable option, please.

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Adorabelle's picture

August 08, 2019 at 02:22 pm

Why the Packers might lose? Well - if they play Kizer a lot that would seem to pretty much guarantee it.

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Rick1's picture

August 08, 2019 at 03:21 pm

This team for the first time is a Gutekunst standard met team. I don’t think he is done tuning it. He has gotten bigger, faster and impact players that can effect the game. I think he seen the packers come up short in games because of key areas. He has spent money on players and has drafted field ready players.

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Gforcetrivers's picture

August 08, 2019 at 04:31 pm

Hey Guys
Is there a way to watch without giving the NFL a hundred bucks?

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Tarynfor12's picture

August 08, 2019 at 04:46 pm

I gave this link above and got a dislike ..
bilasport.net

click the link..click the menu bar..click on NFL...click on the game...click the box with the white arrow...watch the game...it's about 30 second delay but no buffering lag. Enjoy

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Mannix's picture

August 08, 2019 at 04:53 pm

HI Taryn, I am new here and just want to make sure. You are a woman correct? I am going by your picture you posted and I assume since it's a female you are as well. If not let me know. I really enjoy reading what you have to say and have much respect for your opinions here. Thanks

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Tarynfor12's picture

August 08, 2019 at 05:12 pm

I am female. Thank you for the kind words.
If you cannot get the game, this link ...bilasport.net, which you need to type search since I cannot post a direct link here for some reason, will do the job. It works on my desktop and phone for several years now. I have offered many a way to watch games for those who cannot but....every year the same request and never a reply as to worked for them or even tried it.
GO PACK GO!

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Mannix's picture

August 08, 2019 at 05:29 pm

Ok great and thanks for getting back so quick. Now, I would like your take on the backup situation Kizer and Boyle. You see a future here for any of these two? I realize you were the only person here to hit on Fackrell other than TT so that in itself makes me want to hear your opinion on these backups.

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Tarynfor12's picture

August 08, 2019 at 05:57 pm

I'd go with Boyle but they'll find a way to give Kizer the job...unless he really plays bad...how bad is anyone's guess as to getying him cut or traded.

Time to watch some football...as in both 4 o'clock games.

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Samson's picture

August 08, 2019 at 08:48 pm

Tfor12... you're responding to Dash Riprock. ... He doesn't exist on CHTV.
BTW... you're right.... I've watched the 1st half bilasports.

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LarryPennell's picture

August 10, 2019 at 06:04 am

If you’re new here how did you know about her hitting on Fackrell?

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Mannix's picture

August 08, 2019 at 04:48 pm

Look for a post by Taryn. He or she posted how to watch it for free. He or she posted earlier today. Hope you can watch it. It's going to be memorable and the Tim Boyle era will officially kick off.

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Samson's picture

August 08, 2019 at 08:49 pm

And the Dash for Boyle begins again.

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