What Should the Packers do with Deshone Kizer?

The Green Bay Packers have some tough roster decisions looming and one of the more difficult decisions will be what to do with quarterback Deshone Kizer. 

The Green Bay Packers have some tough decisions to make as they trim their roster down to 53 players in the coming weeks. However, one of the most difficult decisions is going to come at quarterback, as the Packers will need to figure out what to do with second-year signal caller Deshone Kizer.

Kizer, who came over in a trade that included former Packers first-round pick Damarious Randall, has been locked in a battle for the backup quarterback job. Yet, after another solid performance by Brett Hundley against Oakland Friday, and another less-than-stellar performance from Kizer leaves you wondering, does the former Notre Dame prospect and second-round pick even deserve a roster spot?

It's a tricky question for a few reasons. For starters, this is going to be Hundley's last year with the Packers. His contract expires after the season and unless he is content to be Aaron Rodgers backup for a few more years, it's hard to see him sticking around, unless the Packers give him a generous contract and with the money they are going to have to pay Rodgers soon, paying top-flight money for a backup doesn't seem all that realistic.

In three preseason games with the Packers, Kizer is just 27-of-53. That's a completion percentage of barely over 50 percent. He does have two touchdown passes compared to zero interceptions and he is averaging 7.6 yards per pass attempt. However, he has also taken five sacks and against Oakland, he was 11-of-23 for 120 yards, while Hundley was 8-of-14 for 78 yards. 

Statistically, Hundley wasn't that much better. He just looks like the more comfortable quarterback. In his three preseason performances, he is completing 67.6 percent of his passes. Hundley is also averaging over seven yards and attempt and has one touchdown, compared to one interception.

But again, this battle isn't necessarily about stats, Hundley just looks more ready to play. There is certainly a question about Kizer's roster status, but there is no doubt that Hundley should be the backup quarterback. That fight should be settled and over with. If Rodgers goes down, Hundley gives the Packers the best chance to win. Period. And because of that, he should be on the roster and outside of some type of trade, he will be.

The question is, what about Kizer?

Head coach Mike McCarthy knew Kizer was going to be a project. Obviously, he doesn't know the system as well as Hundley and in his second season, Kizer just isn't as polished. 

So does that mean the Packers should cut bait? My suggestion is not so fast and here's why: without Kizer, there is no developmental backup for the future. Tim Boyle has also flashed this preseason and seems worth developing on the practice squad but is he really going to be ready to be Rodgers' backup in 2019? That seems like a stretch. 

Maybe it does with Kizer too. But there is a reason the Packers traded away Randall for him. They obviously saw something in his skill set that led them to believe he had something worth developing.

Maybe one preseason is enough to throw in the towel on Kizer, who has failed somewhat to live up to expectations. Yet, the team should be cautious. It's hard to get talented quarterbacks like Kizer on a roster with Aaron Rodgers and even though he is struggling now, cutting Kizer now essentially means the Packers are starting from scratch at backup quarterback next offseason and that doesn't seem like a good move either.

Certainly, Kizer needs to improve and if he wants to be the Packers No. 2, he will need to prove a lot more to the coaching staff. Yet, he also deserves another year to develop in this offense and with his physical talent, the Packers should be wary of giving up on him too soon. 

 

 

 

 

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Chris is a sports journalist from Montana and has been blogging about the Packers since 2011. Chris has been a staff writer for CheeseheadTV since 2017 and looks forward to the day when Aaron Rodgers wins his second Super Bowl. Follow him @thepackersguru

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Bure9620's picture

August 26, 2018 at 07:28 am

I have to disagree with the article, the only reason Hundley looked slightly better against Oakland is he has been in the offense longer. Kizer was better in the first 2 games. Hundley's pocket presence is zero, there is no pocket presence. Hundley just is what he is at this stage of development. Kizer has a much higher ceiling and will develop in the offense. It's pretty hard to unsee Hundley's performance last season, and I'm not alone, Hundley has zero trade value for a reason. We traded Randall for Kizer for a reason. We shopped Hundley during the '17 draft because TT knew Hundley could not play! In addition, Hundley was playing with Adams and Allison and better players in the first game. Hundley is a pre season hero. He had a QB rating of 124 a few years ago in pre season. He cannot step up in the pocket and deliver the football down field, he cant. Cut Hundley, Kizer is your back up. If the gum smacker is on this roster I will be disappointed.

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Rak47's picture

August 26, 2018 at 12:03 pm

I have to agree with you Bure9620. I'm not sure what Peterson is reasoning here. Hundley is 25 while Kizer is 22. Hundley has been in this system 4 years while Kizer has been in it 4 months. In reality the battle shouldn't even be close as Hundley should have been comfortably out front with his experience. If AR goes down one would be a fool to think Hundley could lead you to the playoffs or even a few wins. I expect Kizer would surpass Hundley's knowledge of the offense eventually while surpassing Hundley in practice even sooner. Kizer just needs a bit more time to get fully comfortable in this offense and he will be much better than Hundley.

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4thand10's picture

August 26, 2018 at 01:23 pm

I have to agree here. Even in this last pre season game against the Raiders...Kizer threw for 120 , Gum Chewer threw for 78. Hundley has been in the system for what...3-4 years? And Kizer is at least that good. Kizer also appears to be teachable. He makes better decisions. There was a few plays he threw it away or out of bounds and not taking the sack vs forcing an INT which shows growth.. Especially with the o line play he was given. I feel he’s better under pressure. Expectations were not high on Kizer... he had more INTs than touchdowns at Cleveland when he was thrown in the fire. I think GB got him because he’s young, raw but shows exceptional athletic ability.

On the other hand,

Hundley has had his time on the field and QB school...and meh. As my fiancé says ( who doesn’t watch much football ) says.... “ Boy, he really sucks”. I say Keep Kizer, dump Hundley and Boyle on practice squad.

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Grandfathered's picture

August 26, 2018 at 07:20 am

Cut Hundley and keep Kizer. If AR goes down, neither is going to save the team in 2018, and Kizer has more potential. This preseason has not proved that Hundley has dramatically improved from 2017.

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TheVOR's picture

August 26, 2018 at 10:02 am

Agree, Hundley is terrible! Even when he buys time with his feet, he has ZERO field vision, and is mostly always looking to run the football. Further more, if you think he gives you the best chance to win, look at last year, GB was 4 & 1 when Rodgers exited for the season. Nuff said, in fact I basically couldn't watch GB last year with Hundley at QB, it was a horrific joke! One more thing, th best backup QB on the roster is probably not going to make the team, that being Boyle..

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Handsback's picture

August 26, 2018 at 07:39 am

Grandfathered just made the best point for keeping Kizer....Hundley hasn't really improved. He is what we saw last year, no better and no worst. If Rodgers goes down....Hundley isn't going to lead this team to the playoffs. Neither will Kizer, but he has a higher ceiling so you need to give him more time and hope Rodgers doesn't go down.

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CJ Bauckham's picture

August 26, 2018 at 07:40 am

I think the pack will keep him, but I have moved on from Hundley. Has anyone ever seen him complete a pass from the pocket to the intermediate/deep middle of the field? Like a dig route? Or a post?

It's all dumpoffs, quick outs/slants, and fades. When he scrambles (which is more often than he needs to), he can't find anyone down the field.

Just like '17, he starts games well (scripted plays?) And then falls off a cliff. If he's improved, it's marginally. If improvement is 'he scrambled right instead of left!' Then yes, he has improved.

But personally, I've moved on. I agree with the poster above that neither qb will save the Packers season if Aaron goes down. At least Kizer has upside. I think Brett is already at his ceiling.

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Bure9620's picture

August 26, 2018 at 07:46 am

Brett Hundley has never once taken a 5 step drop, stepped up into the pocket and delivered a pass down field. Never, not once.

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carusotrap's picture

August 26, 2018 at 08:31 am

"If improvement is 'he scrambled right instead of left.'"

Hilarious! I remember thinking this exact thing near the end of Hundley's portion of the game. "Well, look at that, he scrambled left!"

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TheKanataThrilla's picture

August 26, 2018 at 01:54 pm

I believe you are correct about the scripted plays. He is starting the game well just like in the regular season games he played. When he is off script he becomes the deer in a headlights QB that is in no means what we need as a back-up.

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PatrickGB's picture

August 26, 2018 at 07:47 am

This team will probably keep both QB’s. And that’s a shame. It comes from the “invested” school of thought. “ I have so much (time, trouble,training money,draft pick or whatever) invested in this player: therefore I must keep him”. It’s a bad mindset for GM’s and Head Coaches. I say look for potential and be willing to let anybody go if they don’t have much. Also, money factors in this as well. If two are close, then keep the cheaper one.

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stockholder's picture

August 26, 2018 at 07:59 am

Kizer, IF Possible, Trade Him. Cut Hundley. But that won't happen. We know what Hundley is. A Qb nobody has any confidence in. #2 Look how everyone wanted Favre to HELP A-ROD. SO who is A-Rod going to Help? Both, are not A-ROD or Favre. Move on as quickly as possible. Seriously: it's time to draft the next QB that will give us the benefits of a younger Favre, and A-ROD. A QB should be outstanding, and not content to Lose. From what I've seen so far, both will not work out.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

August 26, 2018 at 02:10 pm

With Kizer just 22 years old and in system a few months where are you coming from?

Do you remember Roger's when he first started? Wow!

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

August 26, 2018 at 02:10 pm

With Kizer just 22 years old and in system a few months where are you coming from?

Do you remember Roger's when he first started? Wow!

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BELIEVER's picture

August 26, 2018 at 03:04 pm

Cut Huntley , nobody will pick him up. If Rodgers goes down Huntley will be available.

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egbertsouse's picture

August 26, 2018 at 08:01 am

I wasn’t a big fan getting Kizer, I thought that Gutekunst wasted a trade getting by getting the only QB worse than Hundley. That being said, I think they should get rid of Mr. August and keep Kizer. There is a tiny bit of potential upside with him, at least.

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IcemanBT's picture

August 26, 2018 at 08:10 am

how about we let kizer play with the starters on offense and let hundley play with the scrubs for a game, before we say hundley is better. hundley should be better, way better because he has been here for three years already, but he is not. the fact that kizer is close behind him means that hundley is simply not improving enough to warrant keeping him around. heck the job was his last year and he wasn't prepared to play, McCarthy admitted that, so what does that say about him? it says that this is all he is going to be, and that is not enough. kizer is being reworked after a lost season on a real bad team, and he is already starting to turn it around. keep kizer let go of hundley.

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Bure9620's picture

August 26, 2018 at 08:24 am

Agreed. Hundley has shown zero growth despite being able to watch film and learn the offense for 3 years. Kizer basically received no coaching last year, McCarthy said as much. Give this kid time to learn the offense. Let him develop, he needs a year to just sit and watch film, work on his footwork and restart. The physical tools are there for Kizer.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

August 26, 2018 at 02:16 pm

Kizer will be with the Pack. He is 22 years old and has 15 games as starter. Invaluable! Many QBs coming out of college are several years older. Kizer will have several years left on rookie contract when Hundley signs his second contract. That will certainly play in as well.

Not sure what happens to Hundley but after giving up a quality CB and previous first round pick for him Kizer isn't going anywhere.

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Packer Dave's picture

August 26, 2018 at 08:20 am

Bure makes a good case in my opinion. Kizer has tons of tools to work with and he's only 22. Let him be a sponge behind AR and see what happens. He's young enough to even take over some day after AR if he proves worthy.

If we get a team to bite on Hundley before cutdown and cough up a 6-7th round pick I think that would be the best value we'll get out him. Even a trade for a backup OT. I think it's too late for Madison to come back this year.

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Madfan's picture

August 26, 2018 at 08:26 am

I also was taken back with the statement that Hundley had another solid performance. I didn't think so. I don't see any progress on hot reads and I don't see him throwing any receivers open. His rollouts to the left frequently result in throwing the ball out of bounds.

At times I thought Kizer was showing greater ability to read the defense and react to the rush. However, the read zone plays left a lot to be desired. But overall, I thought that he showed some encouraging progress.

I don't know whether Kizer has shown enough to overtake Hundley. But, my guess is that it is only a matter of time.

Will Kizer be a solid backup? I don't know but we know that Hundley is not.

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RodrigoDuterte2D30's picture

August 26, 2018 at 08:28 am

Teddy Teddy Teddy..... Bridgewater!!! Thats riiight! It's a near certainty that he will be cut...

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

August 26, 2018 at 02:17 pm

Teddy doesn't have a strong arm and he certainly has bad wheels. No!

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rstain99's picture

August 26, 2018 at 08:36 am

god help them if Rodgers goes down, both guys just don't inspire confidence. Also both Spriggs and Murphy are stiffs. They looked totally overmatched vs Raiders

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August 26, 2018 at 08:50 am

You can't just compare stats against each other in the preseason. Hundley has looked a bit better, but he also looks maxed out to me. I see arm strength issues. Kizer hasn't been in the Offense as long, so there is potential for growth. Boyle has a lot of fundamentals to work on, so I don't see putting him on the roster. He'll probably make it onto the Practice Squad. I think we'll probably keep Hundley and Kizer, but the unfortunate thing about that is I don't believe in either to be able to hold the fort right now. Maybe Kizer can in the future.

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August 26, 2018 at 10:52 am

Hundley just looks more comfortable in the offense to me. I think he is the better player right now but after a year of learning and developing, I think Kizer could be better. I would keep both. But that's just me.

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Rak47's picture

August 26, 2018 at 12:57 pm

He absolutely should look more comfortable with 4 years in the offense compared to Kizer 4 months. Hundley also should look 10x better with that experience instead of it being an even race or even as close as it is. How would Kizer look if Hundley wasn't getting half his reps or more in practice?

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Rak47's picture

August 26, 2018 at 12:15 pm

He absolutely should look more comfortable with 4 years in the offense compared to Kizer's 4 months. Hundley also should look 10x better with that experience instead of it being an even race or even as close as it is. How would Kizer look on gameday if Hundley wasn't getting half his reps or more in practice?

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4thand10's picture

August 26, 2018 at 01:31 pm

Absolutely correct.

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Johnblood27's picture

August 26, 2018 at 08:59 am

when kizer was at nd, I nicknamed him "the pastry chef" because he made so many turnovers.

He needs to develop for sure, he threw a few into harms way vs oakland and he sure turned it over in cleveland last year too.

that said, i have less confidence in hundley than the pastry chef.

i hope to never see hundley wear a packer uniform or take another snap for the gbp ever again.

I have the most hope for boyle, the kid looks to have an nfl arm and real pocket presence. keep this kid and let go of hundley

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Andrew Lloyd Peth's picture

August 26, 2018 at 09:04 am

I like both Hundley and Kizer, and I find it hard to blame either for getting buried under Oakland's pass rush Friday night. Let's also remember neither has had any semblance of a running game this preseason.

Between the two, I definitely keep Kizer because of his rookie deal having more years. He also has monster tools, and just needs more time to develop.

But instead of cutting Hundley, I'd keep both. We can save roster slots carrying a TE on Practice Squad and going a bit lighter in the secondary.

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S.L.C.Cheesehead's picture

August 26, 2018 at 09:16 am

Have to give Kizer a pass for Oakland, the OL was getting destroyed all night.

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NickPerry's picture

August 26, 2018 at 09:28 am

"Yet, after another solid performance by Brett Hundley against Oakland Friday"

HUH?? Common Chris...In no universe was that a "solid game". Kizer has been here ONE preseason and really doesn't look worse than Hundley which speaks VOLUMES about Hundley. Personally I can't even believe we're having this discussion. Hundley has to go and if the Packers really aren't happy with Kizer see which Veterans are cut. You've traded a former #1 pick who probably SHOULD HAVE BEEN A Safety all along for the kid. Christ give him a chance. They gave Hundley 4 years to show squat. Give Kizer at least a full season.

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Bure9620's picture

August 26, 2018 at 10:11 am

Agreed. Hundley was not solid at all. Aaron Nagler said the same and I was just perplexed. I guess Hundley has shown growth because he now knows how to immediately leave the pocket and roll left to throw the ball out of bounds and eliminating the right side of the field rather than the opposite.

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Since'61's picture

August 26, 2018 at 09:46 am

I would keep Kizer and chuck Hundley. Kizer has more upside and 3 more seasons on his rookie contract.

As for Hundley we saw him for 10 regular season games in 2017 and we saw virtually nothing. He failed to throw even one TD pass at Lambeau. Even during this preseason he still has not looked like the game has slowed down for him. His decision making remains questionable at best and he never throws the ball downfield. It's time to move on from Hundley. Thanks, Since '61

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Bure9620's picture

August 26, 2018 at 09:53 am

Preach on since '61

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August 26, 2018 at 10:17 am

Agree...unless the FO is hoping to be the laughing stock of the NFL by extending Hundley, the decision is clear and having less gum on the field is a good idea.. Although, since winning games with Rodgers will be difficult,winning or saving the season with anyone else is now moot.

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cheesehead1's picture

August 26, 2018 at 11:29 am

Agree! Hundley has had many chances, time to move on. Really wish they’d give Boyle more reps.

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Rak47's picture

August 26, 2018 at 12:21 pm

Why? So other teams have more tape on him and more reason to sign him after final cuts? I think the packers know what they're doing with Boyle.

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August 26, 2018 at 10:04 am

You have to keep both. If Rodgers goes down, there would be a scramble for a backup. Kizer provides that insurance. Hundley will bail next year and Kizer is still a developmental project and could be good next season. Hundley always worked with the best offensive line this preseason.

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Chino's picture

August 26, 2018 at 10:16 am

Let Boyle stay...get rid of Hunley which is a preseason QB...not a regular season QB. Just like last year he did great in preseason, and we all know what happened when ARod went down.

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packersrule's picture

August 26, 2018 at 10:29 am

Hundley, is not an NFL QB and it's time to move on. He is still a deer in headlights. Kizer might not be the answer but keeping Hundley is NOT the answer.

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TheBigCheeze's picture

August 26, 2018 at 10:32 am

"Tim Boyle has also flashed this preseason and seems worth developing on the practice squad but is he really going to be ready to be Rodgers' backup in 2019? That seems like a stretch."----------Boyle has NOT been given an equal opportunity.......and let's face it......no Rodgers.......NO CHAMPIONSHIP....so back up QB is really a moot point.......

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sonomaca's picture

August 26, 2018 at 10:59 am

It depends how long Rodgers would be out. Let’s say 4 games.

You’d like to go 2-2 during that stretch. If Hundley is more likely to get you to 2-2 than Kizer, then the choice is clear. With his knowledge of the offense, I think that’s probably the case.

If you judge that Boyle will be better than Kizer in 3 or 4 years, but not anytime soon, you have to keep Kizer on 53.

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August 26, 2018 at 11:10 am

The team cannot afford to lose Rodgers at all. Even 4 games and going 2-2 would be devastating.

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August 26, 2018 at 11:39 am

2-2 would be a miracle if Rodgers goes down.

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sonomaca's picture

August 26, 2018 at 10:50 am

If Hundley signs with another team after this season, Pack get draft capital. If they can’t trade him now, that’s enough reason to keep him.

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stockholder's picture

August 26, 2018 at 11:14 am

Reggie Gilbert. How do you really keep Hunley when " A." Gilbert developed. We have to many Wrs/Te, to let Hunley eat up a spot for the draft pick formula. And they won't be able to hide/Stash them. Will they sign Cobb? No. Davis and Allison can't get cut, until better Wrs come along.

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TarynsEyes's picture

August 26, 2018 at 11:52 am

" Pack get draft capital."

Did the NFL add more picks after Mr. Irrelevant ? Which could mean Monopoly money has been deemed a real currency.

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August 26, 2018 at 11:02 am

Chris saying "there is no doubt Hundley is the backup QB" is unfounded.

They only way you could make this comment would be based on Friday...because prior the Raiders, Kizer was taking greater advantage of his opportunities.

I did not think Hundley played well at all on Friday. The guy has the yips...just like he had in college. He locks on his primary receiver and if the's covered, he tucks the ball and runs. Awful pocket presence.

As bad as the OL was for Hundley, at least he had the 2nd string. Kizer has played with mostly the 3rd string, as he did again on Friday. And he showed pocket presence, looked off DBs, and went through his reads.

Hundley doesn't read...he takes off and runs.

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Pauly's picture

August 26, 2018 at 11:07 am

OMG,,, Taysom Hill is going to look like one of TT's worst mistakes. Keeping Linzy Pipkins as 7th CB instead of Hill!!
He played far better last night with 3rd stringers than either of GB's backup QBs. He keeps getting knocked about his age but when QBs are playing into their late 30s, he is still a young man.
His infectious enthusiasm and will to win reminds me of a big, fast Farve with a strong arm. Time will tell I guess.

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August 26, 2018 at 01:40 pm

I watched that game....Hill was on fire. I just kept shaking my head.

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Cartwright's picture

August 26, 2018 at 11:08 am

After reading the article I was thinking sarcastically if the author may be an assistant to Hundley's agent. If your an advocate for Hundley this is the best article you'll ever read in his favor. I'm almost convinced, but this was Gute's first trade and no matter how bad Kizer plays and he hasn't played that bad, he will keep this kid. Can't say your first trade was stinker if you can avoid it.

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August 26, 2018 at 11:33 am

If I were Gute I would be working the phones trying to trade Hundley for the best 2nd string OT he can find.

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August 26, 2018 at 11:38 am

Think about jow much easier it would be to trade Randall for an OL.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

August 26, 2018 at 11:37 am

Glad we traded Randall for a QB and we're arguing if he is better than Hundley or not. Overall I am very happy with BG, but that trade still stinks.

We could probably have had Kizer for free (since they actually even wanted him) and gotten something usable in return for Randall. Trading Randall for a startable ILB or OL would be pretty nice right now.

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stockholder's picture

August 26, 2018 at 11:51 am

No - You would of had a QB in the first round. No negotiations with A-Rod. And no Burks. The secondary still would of had problems. Randall problems!

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August 26, 2018 at 11:48 am

McCarthy's rep as a QB whisperer is not well earned. Three years and he still couldn't see that the gum chewer was not NFL caliber? Cutting Hill when everyone and his bartender knew that Hill was better than Hundley? The Saints are ecstatic over Hill and grooming him to replace Brees. They love him. We loved him! How stupid did you have to be to cut him for a guy so bad the rest of the league won't give you a pack of gum for him? Hill may turn out to be the second coming of Kurt Warner, and so might Boyle. Unlikely, but possible. But certainly more likely than Hundley being able to carry a team to the playoffs. McCarthy and idiot Ted looked at the field and said we like gum chewer over Hill. That kind of player evaluation, throughout the roster, is why Rodgers has one ring, McCarthy should have been tossed along with the Gray Goose and I don't thin we win again until he is.

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Bert's picture

August 26, 2018 at 12:33 pm

Kinda hard on MM and Ted but one thing is for sure: You couldn't trade Hundley or Kizer or even Hundley AND Kizer for Hill at this point.

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Rak47's picture

August 26, 2018 at 12:45 pm

I see your logic, Boyle and Hill are going to be great because they have looked really well during the preseason. While other QB's who have looked great in preseason actually suck because they only play well in the preseason. Makes sense to me.

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J0hn Denver's Gavel's picture

August 26, 2018 at 11:52 am

"...give Hundley a generous contract" to stick around? ar you nuts? he'll be lucky to field arena football league offers after he's dropped by the Pack!

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Leatherhead's picture

August 26, 2018 at 12:14 pm

Keep Hundley on the game day roster and Kizer on the 53. If there's an injury, he's right there.

I have little faith in Hundley, but we have two weeks until it's real and right now he's ahead of Kizer. If it changes, you can activate Kizer. Win/win, IMO.

Of course, this would make it kind of pointless to keep a QB on the practice squad.

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cpitt's picture

August 26, 2018 at 12:24 pm

Hundley cant read defenses and sits in the pocket holding the ball forever without pulling the trigger. He was doing the same shit against oakland that he did last year. Kizer may not be the answer but we know Hundley definitely is the answer

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sonomaca's picture

August 26, 2018 at 12:27 pm

They’re not going to cut Kizer. Yet, they can’t let Hundley go. So, three QB’s. I think Rip and Kendricks are going to have to go. Maybe only Montgomery and Williams at RB for first two weeks.

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Qoojo's picture

August 27, 2018 at 10:13 am

I think RIP is staying since he might be needed due to Jones' suspension, and MM likes TE, LB, FB body types for ST.

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sonomaca's picture

August 26, 2018 at 12:30 pm

One other thing. Based on th3 backup O-line situation, they might eventually need 3 QB’s.

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PAPackerbacker's picture

August 26, 2018 at 12:31 pm

Where was Tim Boyle in the Oakland game? Why wasn't he given a chance to play? The Packers should keep Kiser and Boyle and cut Hundley. After being with the Packers 3 years Hundley should be much better than Kiser or Boyle but he is not. He has developed as far as he is going to. If he hasn't learned to step up in the pocket by now he's not doing the packers any good. Kiser has shown more promise in 4 months than Hundley has in 4 years.

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Rak47's picture

August 26, 2018 at 12:39 pm

Boyle was hiding on the bench where other teams couldn't get a look at him. Why does the coaching staff need to play him? They know what they have and I'm pretty sure they intend to stash him on the PS. I wouldn't be surprised if Boyle was listed as having some type of injury next week so as to prevent other teams from wanting to sign him or possibly as a way to stash him til next year.

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August 26, 2018 at 05:11 pm

Never thought of it that way. But other teams probably know who he is and what he can do. So let him get some experience and cut Hundley and keep 3 QB's.

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sonomaca's picture

August 26, 2018 at 12:33 pm

Right now, Lane Taylor is probably backup left tackle. McCray is backup right tackle.

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August 26, 2018 at 12:34 pm

Lol, has anyone here seen Taysom Hill play an NFL regular season game against a quality unit not filled with backups, half of which won't make the team? Wait let me answer that for you...……..NO you have not nor has anyone else for that matter. Now it's Boyle who's the next coming of Tom Brady after 5-6 series against 4th string defenses, lol. I find it funny because there are plenty of QB's all around the NFL who come in and shine during preseason only to flop when it comes time to play for keeps. I hope Boyle and Hill succeed but to crown them NFL quality QB's after a few preseason games is pretty silly. Now I expect a bunch a thumbs down from all the silly people who believe Boyle and Hill to be great simply because the Packers drafted them, lol.

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August 26, 2018 at 01:51 pm

https://youtu.be/TXTyeWHC27o

Taysom Hill...he’s got some value. I would argue more value than Hundley.

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Samson's picture

August 26, 2018 at 02:24 pm

Most seem to have this quandary figured out. -- No need to keep Hundley after next week. Everyone knows what he can & can't do (see season 2017). -- Kizer is still somewhat of an unknown but at least his pedigree & contract situation fit in GB nicely.

Here's the problem. --- Neither are good enough to bail out the Pack if AR should go down in season 2018. ---- Gute will be kicking himself for not acquiring a proven veteran BU QB for season 2018. --- It may very well be the reason GB watches the playoffs again this season.

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August 26, 2018 at 02:25 pm

I don't think Hundley has made much improvement from last year. I still some indecision like last year, and he can get away with it against 2nd stringers, but it won't work against 1st string. Hundley has put together a couple of nice drives in the preseason, but then you see a bunch of drives littered with the same issues from last year.

For me, it comes down to game win differential between the two. How many games would each win? I think Hundley turns the ball over less, but still has many deer in the headlights moments. Kizer is going against 3rd string and out of football guys, and not looking better. So Kizer is literally 100% about potential.

I would keep Kizer, and sift through the ashes of final cut downs for a better option. Not that I am some great judge of talent, but I haven't seen any flashes from Kizer to think he could be great. I have not once went "Wow did you see that?!" (in a good way ;) ) when watching Kizer. I am not sure what MM sees in him.

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August 26, 2018 at 02:28 pm

Cut Hundley. He will be on the street somewhere if god forbid he's needed. Trade for Teddy Bridgewater. He's better backup than them all

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PAPackerbacker's picture

August 26, 2018 at 05:14 pm

Best idea I heard about backup QB's to date.

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August 26, 2018 at 02:31 pm

Hill should have been protected!

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August 26, 2018 at 03:03 pm

Did anyone watch Hill last week? I believe he was at least partially responsible for 4 turnovers so hes still has a lot of work to do before he takes over for Brees.

The thing about Hill is he was hurt ever year he played in college so trusting him to stay healthy is/was a gamble in and of itself, especially with the way he plays.

I agree with most on here though, he outplayed Hundley last year and should still be here.

Boyle sucked in college but has looked as good or better than Hundley and Kizer in his two games. Not sure why he didnt get to play this week but if they were thinking they could hide him, sorry but seeing as hes the 2nd highest rated rookie QB in the preseason through week 2, that probably wont work.

If Hundley makes this team over Kizer or Boyle, Gute will regret that decision.

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August 26, 2018 at 03:28 pm

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Oppy's picture

August 26, 2018 at 03:31 pm

Long post, even for me. My apologies ahead of time, and thanks to those that brave reading it. :)

There are only two types of Back Up QB the Packers should use a roster spot on:

Type A: A quarterback who's primary role is to step in and manage games over a short term period if Aaron Rodgers gets dinged up, a guy who can finish out a game and hold a lead, hold down the fort for a few weeks, try to win some games.

Type B: A quarterback who has the potential to be a full time starting QB for the franchise when Rodgers is ready to retire, or, should the unthinkable happen.

The Packers should ONLY use a second roster spot on the back up QB position if they feel they have a young player who could develop into the eventual full time replacement for Rodgers.

I would advise for the remainder of Rodgers' tenure going forward starting in 2019, the Packers seek to retain a proven, veteran journeyman QB to be the primary back up each year (Type A), and continue looking for the young QBs with the talent and aptitude to develop into Rodgers' eventual successor. If you don't think you've found it, try to get the guys who might develop into Type A on the PS, and only use one Roster spot for the vet back up QB. When the Packers DO find the young talent that may eventually be the next franchise QB.. Use a second roster spot to retain him.

Hundley is the only QB on the roster right now that is realistically ready to even attempt to win games for the Packers over the short term- Type A. Kizer and possibly Boyle could become Type A in the future, but neither are today, and none of our QB's look like the eventual long term replacement for Aaron Rodgers as a franchise QB- Type B.

This is why for 2018, I would only use one roster spot for Brett Hundley, and attempt to get Kizer and Boyle on practice squad. I would not lose sleep if either didn't make it past the waiver wire (I wouldn't expect Kizer to.)

Hundley goes after 2018. In 2019. If Kizer or Boyle looks like a realistic Type "A" back up, great. If not, find that journeyman to sign, and keep looking for the franchise QB of the future.

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August 28, 2018 at 02:32 pm

"I would advise for the remainder of Rodgers' tenure going forward starting in 2019"

That's what I was expecting this season before the Kizer trade. Time for Doug Peterson 2.0

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croatpackfan's picture

August 26, 2018 at 03:45 pm

wrong placement

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croatpackfan's picture

August 26, 2018 at 03:45 pm

double post

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August 26, 2018 at 03:45 pm

Brett Hundley would be the best QB in whole NFL if preseason games means anything.

But when significant games are on the schedule Brett freezes... And that is not coachable thing. That is psyhological issue. Is it solvable? Maybe, but not in short term.

So, forget Brett HUndley as capable back up QB in NFL.

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August 26, 2018 at 03:52 pm

Croat, I agree that Hundley has some sort of psychological issue with playing at Lambeau field, and I can only hope he gets past it. But he did have three games with a QB rating over 100 last season, and his performance vs. Pittsburgh last season was exceptional- a great job of playing QB by any standard.

The unfortunate fact is, Kizer is, at this point. not as good as Hundley, regardless. The Packers hands are tied. The only feasible option at this point, in my opinion, has to be Hundley for 2018.

By the way, I'm having the same problems today with getting my posts to go where they should. I feel your pain.

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pacman's picture

August 26, 2018 at 08:02 pm

This might be the biggest test of the new management structure.

And if MM still wants Hundley, then we will know that they didn't fire enough people last year.

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stockholder's picture

August 26, 2018 at 09:21 pm

Draft Capitol would be the only reason. TT traded a 5 and 7 to move up to get him early. Rolling the dice for draft capitol was TTs game. If Gute wants to move this club in the right direction. He won't follow TTs thinking here. Gute should stay with veterans. Not late round picks. Late round picks are for rebuilding. Development. MM needs quick results now.

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Cartwright's picture

August 26, 2018 at 09:43 pm

Joe Callahan... where are You?

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Cartwright's picture

August 26, 2018 at 09:43 pm

Joe Callahan... where are You?

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August 27, 2018 at 03:53 am

It's unlikely the starting OL will get through an entire season without one or more missing significant time due to injury. I have no confidence in what I've seen from any of the backups. It would be wise to carry three QB's. Of course it doesn't really matter because if AR goes down the season is over.

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August 27, 2018 at 06:54 am

I agree. Carry 3 QB's because of the terrible OL. Keep Kser and Boyle and cut Hundley.

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OldTimer's picture

August 27, 2018 at 09:05 am

Hundley is the best QB in the NFL and any other team would be lucky to have him. Oakland should demand him in a trade for Kali Mack.

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August 27, 2018 at 02:15 pm

It is almost like bizzaro world to read some of these articles. Mister Mxyzptlk could not do better and he has never seen a pro football game. Likewise it seems like Chris has not, there is not a single metric where BH outplayed either of the other QBs. But you can go and chart dropped passes, you can compare playing with Adams and a real top flight TE to people becoming famous for record levels of training camp drops.

You can with the smallest effort see who has the stronger arm, who makes NFL level passes on a regular basis and it is not noodle arm BH. BH does not have the tools and unlike AROD did not work to get physically better. How can I write that? Because he is not better and his arm still is not NFL level. Kizer oth has made some top level throws.

All packer nations is dumber for this and this kind of rot contributed to how we stuck with Capers and TT years to long because of 'experts' telling us how great they were.

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August 27, 2018 at 05:56 pm

Hundley has marginal NFL arm strength, it's definitely a weakness, he struggles to put the kind of zip on intermediate throws you want to see in an NFL starter. But overall, he has made FAR better choices, shown better pocket presence, and thrown the ball better than Kizer. Hundley's pass placement has been impressive through the preseason games. Kizer has made a handful of big throws, and a lot of iffy ones. What Kizer did in the 4 final minutes of the Oakland game was ghastly. I can't believe a guy with a full season of starts under his belt made such poor decisions. I'm not talking about execution, it's about game IQ. Not good.

Boyle has a very strong arm and the balls he throws are picture perfect spirals through the air that land in the general vicinity of the WR. He stands tall in the Pocket. He also has precision issues and it is part of what contributed to his 55% completion rate (less than 50% during his three years at Uconn), 12 TD / 26 INT college career that sums to a passer efficiency rating of less than 80 (DeShone Kizer finished out his college career with a rating of 147.7, and he was considered a turnover factory).

I think Boyle has some talent and potential, but he's nowhere near NFL ready. After Oakland, I think Kizer is closer to Boyle than to Hundley. At least Boyle SHOULD need a lot of work.

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August 27, 2018 at 06:09 pm

If Rodgers gets injured, I don't think it matters that much who replaces him in the final season W/L record, Hundley or Kizer.

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