TundraVision: I Have Five New Letters For You

Ever since Aaron Rodgers told us to R-E-L-A-X, Packer fans have gone from wailing and gnashing of teeth to arguing Rodgers' place among the greats in NFL history. Too soon? Here's five new letters for all of you out there in Packerland.

Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers by Jeff Hanisch—USA TODAY Sports.

Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers by Jeff Hanisch—USA TODAY Sports.

As the Green Bay Packers have catapulted themselves to the top of the NFL, the time has come for the predictable foolishness that is bound to creep up with a month to go before the playoffs. Clearly, half the teams in the NFL are just trying to either play for respect or for moving up in the draft, so there has to be something to talk about. With your Packers at 9-3 and a cake schedule ahead of them, why not? Right?

Most of the silliness revolves around our favorite player, of course. Aaron Rodgers is the flashpoint of this extremely hot team, and well deserved. While he was the winner of the Super Bowl MVP back in 2010, he was really just one of many standout players on that team. In fact, you could make the case that he was still quite inconsistent, all the way through the playoffs and during the Super Bowl itself.

Since then, he has garnered his own NFL MVP award, has raised the passing efficiency rating expectations to three digits, and there is no doubt that this is Rodgers' team. He is the one we turn to when the going gets tough, and ever since he told us to "relax," he's delivered.

Which brings up the goofiness of the past week:

Is Aaron Rodgers a greater quarterback than Terry Bradshaw?

Would you trade Aaron Rodgers for Brett Favre in his prime right now?

Is Aaron Rodgers the best NFL quarterback of all time?

No, really. People are asking these questions. And they're serious about them. Rodgers, as of December 2014, is the greatest quarterback of all time. Pay no mind that the season isn't done, and that the Packers haven't won anything so far besides nine games (Breaking News: so have the Lions and the Cardinals). He has had a great season so far, but the platitutdes that come with winning approach ridiculous levels.

The best quarterback of all time? The kid just turned 31 years old, and is only in his seventh season as a full-time starter. Terrell Davis played seven seasons and can't sniff a jacket at Canton. Heck, Sterling Sharpe played seven seasons and probably won't be honored there, either.

Rodgers isn't a finished product yet, gang. He's got a lot of miles to go and more to prove if we really want to take him seriously in these kinds of conversations. Note I say "we" and not "he," as I don't really think Rodgers spends a lot of time worrying about his legacy compared to Bradshaw or Favre or Montana. You only have to watch his ever-present smirk (particularly in the newest Hans and Franz commercial) to realize he doesn't take himself or his own hype as seriously as we do.

Point is, there's a lot that can happen to a quarterback's career after age 31. Let's be honest: Rodgers might be the best he's ever been right now, but also the best he may ever be. There's a little thing called aging that is going to catch up with him sooner or later, and it will affect his game.

And then, it will affect us. Don't believe me? It was almost ten years ago that Brett Favre threw four interceptions in a playoff loss to the Minnesota Vikings. He was 35 years old at the time, and almost immediately the calls for a younger quarterback started, with doubts in that old arm that we once promised we'd never lose faith in. We all know what happened after that, including the drafting of a young man from Chico, California only three months following.

Coincidentally, Aaron Rodgers' present contract, a $110M deal with a $33M signing bonus and $55M guaranteed, expires at the end of the 2018 season ... when Rodgers will be 35 years old.

So, while talk like this is fun and passes the time until the playoffs start, I am going to give you five letters, for all you Packer fans out there.

R-E-L-A-X. Relax.

There's the slight possibility that Rodgers career will end like that of John Elway, winning two Super Bowls in his waning years and retiring on top of the world, forever worshipped and glorified by the team that claimed him for his entire career.

There's also the slight possibility that it could end completely the opposite way, just as it did for Favre, imploding in arrogance and ego in a explosive exodus from the team that leaves fans jaded (at best) or forever contemptuous (at worst).

But the reality will likely fall somewhere in the middle of those two possibilities, and as Rodgers' career starts to wind down, it will be time to talk about what his legacy actually will be, and how it compares to those legendary quarterbacks of lore.  There will be talk of physical conditioning (remember Favre's "core fitness" kick in the early 2000s?) and the need for teammates to "help out" and "win Aaron one more ring." While many of us will be dreading the day Rodgers loses his arm strength, we'll notice more as his hips, knees, and ankles decline, forcing him to change his throwing motion or lose the accuracy that has defined him in his prime.

And the rumblings from the fans and the media will start: "Can Aaron still lead us to a Super Bowl?" Heck, Peyton Manning was traded away from the team he had led to one Super Bowl. So were Joe Montana and Johnny Unitas. Most great quarterbacks don't finish in a blaze of glory, but in a barely-glowing cinder in forgotten seasons that historians will gladly gloss over when evaluating a player's legacy.

But hey, let's be honest: Those years of watching a greying, aging Rodgers are a long time away (at least in football years). Now is not the time to worry about when those day will arrive.

And the same can be said for trying to figure out what Rodgers' legacy or place among the legendary quarterback would or should be.

Do I care whether or not Rodgers ends up being "better" than Terry Bradshaw? Of course not. It's a different game today, and dynasties no longer exist.

Do I care whether or not Rodgers or Favre were better in their prime? Of course not. Favre is retired and gone, and Rodgers is who we have right now.

Do I care whether someone thinks that Rodgers is or is not the "greatest quarterback in NFL history?"

No.

What I care about is that Aaron Rodgers is one man out of 45 players that are going to take on the Atlanta Falcons tonight, an important game for maintaining the half-game lead the Packers presently hold in the NFC North over the Detroit Lions. What I care about is making sure we win enough games in December to get this team into the playoffs. What I care about is seeing this team carry itself with the same swagger it showed in a Sunday Night game last week against the Patriots—except doing in when it counts in January and February.

And I will relish watching Rodgers in his prime right now, cheering every crazy and impossible throw. It's a special time for Packer fans, an amazing roller coaster ride that we get to share in, week in and week out for sixteen games ... and hopefully, three or four more after that.

So, I have a new message out there, for all of you in Packerland. To all of you who are passionately discussing whether Rodgers is just great or the greatest, better than or the best, apples to apples or apples to oranges.

I have five letters for you.

E-N-J-O-Y. Enjoy. Sit back and relish every moment.

We have the rest of our lives to worry about legacies.

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C.D. Angeli is a long time Packer fan and feature writer at CheeseheadTV. He can be heard weekly as a co-host on Cheesehead Radio and is the good cop over at Packers Talk. Follow him on Twitter at @TundraVision.

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Chazman's picture

December 08, 2014 at 08:02 am

Well done Mr. Angeli.
I for one will sit back and enjoy, unless we lose. Then I will
p-a-n-i-c and spout over-the-top rhetoric until I give myself an ulcer.
Isn't being a fan great ;-)

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stevehj's picture

December 08, 2014 at 08:15 am

Amen. Great article.

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MarkinMadison's picture

December 08, 2014 at 09:19 am

I agree with the article. The tendency in the 24-news cycle era (and really, it's an era now, because it has been going on far too long now to call it "today's 24-news cycle") is to constantly be seeking a story. The occasion of #12's 100th game as a starter has been the vehicle for that story. And the truth is that the statistics are impressive, but also inflated somewhat by the pass-friendly nature of today's game.

There is still a long road ahead to Canton, let alone to the discussion of who is the all-time great. Only a few years ago everyone was convinced that Mr. Farve was clearly in the top three. Now he is rarely mentioned as being in the top five. That is way the waiting policy for Canton is the best antidote to the 24-hour news era: it actually makes us stop and consider things for a while.

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RCPackerFan's picture

December 08, 2014 at 11:39 am

'And the truth is that the statistics are impressive, but also inflated somewhat by the pass-friendly nature of today's game.'

While I agree with you that his stats are more inflated due to the way the league is now, his stats are still very impressive.

It is always hard to compare QB's from different era's due to how much the league changes.

For me the most impressive thing with Rodgers is his TD-INT ratio. What is really impressive is looking at this year alone, Rodgers could realistically have 2-3 more TD's and 0 Int's on the year.
There was a couple of dropped TD's that would have improved that number, and all 3 of his INT's could be argued wasn't his fault. 2 were balls deflected off of WR's hands, and 1 was Adams stopping his route as Rodgers throws the ball...

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MarkinMadison's picture

December 08, 2014 at 02:10 pm

I'd have to hear it from a guy like Jerry Rice, but my guess is the rule changes have had an impact even on INTs (less physical play means receivers more likely to be on route = fewer INT opportunities for D-backs). Of the top-10 seasons for fewest interceptions, 7/10 have come between the 2008 season and now.

Running down the list, no QB made the list for a season happening before 1990. Not one.

Looking at the 1990s, Steve DeBerg still holds the record at 4 INTs in 1990. The other top-10 performances were Steve Young and Troy Aikman with 7 in 1992 and 1995, respectively. Young and Aikman are HOF QBs. DeBerg was a very well respected passer in the league before it went pass-crazy.

Compare those names to some of the names added to the list since 2008: Jason Campbell, Josh Freeman, Chad Pennington and Jake Plummer. Those guys are forgettable. To be fair, the list also added Brady, Rodgers, and even a purple-clad Farve since 2008. But I think I've made my point.

To be clear, I love what #12 is doing. I think he is very accurate. I think the "clutch" thing is very much over-blown. I think what he does taking care of the football is amazing. I'm just not ready to start debating whether he is one of the best to ever play the game.

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Bohj's picture

December 08, 2014 at 05:40 pm

Let's add to that....the half a dozen games he didn't even play in a half or a quarter or a game (15-1 season 2010.) He was shredding the other team so bad......he was sitting. What other sport do you take out the hot hand? His stats may be even underinflated. I don't remember a Montana or a Favre sitting that many quarters of football.

Plus: I know Rodgers and modern QB's get the added benefit of rules bent toward the offense. But the chess game these guys do at the line and presnap adjustments is amazing. Not all QB's are doing that. Just the elite. Rodgers passes that eye test too. You take away stats, and rules, and modern game....and all of that, and just look at some of these throws he makes. We've never seen such touch on a pass. Threading those tiny needles. Even the ole gunslinger has said he's impressed by Rodgers mechanics.

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Mario Willis's picture

December 08, 2014 at 12:12 pm

As a PACKER fan I am aware of the specter of Rodgers retirement. I am aware that his throwing motion is contingent upon his arm strength.
Is Scott Tolzien developing the way we would like?

The front office was lambasted for the decision to move on when Brett was playing his head games with the organization.

I believe in our system of making QBs and knowing talent when we see it.
I am actually more concerned that we are drafting for the season and not the future. I wish Aaron much success so that Scott can build his skill set.

E-N-J-O-Y...INDEED!

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Evan's picture

December 08, 2014 at 01:56 pm

Scott Tolzien will be out of the league before Rodgers is.

Rodgers' replacement is lighting it up for some middle school team right now.

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Mario Willis's picture

December 08, 2014 at 12:23 pm

My question is does anyone know how to draft a OFFENSIVE LINEMAN?
Linsley was the best pick we have had in a long time.

I am more worried about the ORGANIZATION'S ability to find and produce quality lineman.

Derek Sherrod was a embarrassment and if this is indicative of the kind of players we think can play at this level, we are in TROUBLE! He was not a NFL PLAYER and we selected him in the first round.

Still turns my stomach into knots...

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Evan's picture

December 08, 2014 at 01:56 pm

Seeing as the entire offensive line is playing great and was all drafted by this organization...I think your concern is misplaced.

Linsley was the best OL pick since...last year's pick of Bahktiari.

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RCPackerFan's picture

December 08, 2014 at 03:21 pm

Yup, your exactly right....

I was going to respond the same thing, but felt like it was yet another comment sent out to just start more crap...

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NashvilleCheesehead's picture

December 08, 2014 at 03:29 pm

So let's ignore the crap and E-N-J-O-Y a Packer victory tonight! This has been one of more enjoyable seasons in years!

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RCPackerFan's picture

December 08, 2014 at 03:54 pm

Yup, I wasn't going to comment on it until I saw Evan comment on it.

Your correct. Lets ENJOY this game tonight.

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4thand1's picture

December 08, 2014 at 03:27 pm

WTF is that comment off base. So one player didn't pan out on the o-line. This current line drafted by the Packers, all of them, is one of the best in the NFL. Put down the pipe.

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egbertsouse's picture

December 08, 2014 at 03:23 pm

He's not going to be considered the best unless he gets multiple rings like Montana or Brady. That's just the way it works these days.

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4thand1's picture

December 08, 2014 at 03:28 pm

You don't listen to the Manning hype? Not Eli.

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