Too Soon to Panic But Reasons for Concern for Packers

The Green Bay Packers were outplayed in every facet of the game against the New Orleans Saints in Week 1. The final score was 38-3 and it did accurately reflect the way the Saints dominated on the field.

Fans were shocked by the team’s poor performance and looked hard for a silver lining, something that was encouraging to point to. It wasn’t easy and many Packer Backers just talked about new punter Corey Bojorquez or how Elgton Jenkins played well at left tackle. There truly weren’t too many highlights.

The biggest issue for most fans was this: how was the team not ready to play mentally in this game? Entering the contest, it seemed like everything was going the Packers way. The team was healthy with David Bakhtiari the only starter who was unavailable. The Saints were banged up, particularly at cornerback and the Packers expected Aaron Rodgers and the Green Bay receivers to be able to take advantage of those matchups.

The game was not going to played in the noisy Superdome in New Orleans which features an artificial surface and would have been filled with Saints fans. Instead, it was played at a neutral site, on natural grass and in front of a crowd that was mostly Packers fans.

The Packers came out flat. The team did not look ready to play. They had no emotion, no jump, did have a solid game plan and did not make the necessary adjustments when things weren’t working well early in the game.

The biggest example was how the Saints came out in zone defenses designed to take away long passes downfield. Despite this, the play calling never changed and Rodgers dropped back and kept overlooking open receivers on short passes and kept trying for chunk plays. The result was that the Packers did not covert a third-down opportunity until Jordan Love was in the game in the fourth quarter. The team finished just 1-for-10 on third down conversions for the game.

The Packers also abandoned the running game early even though the Saints defense was daring them to run or throw short. The Packers ran the ball only 15 times all game and seven of those rushes came after Rodgers was on the sidelines and the game was already decided.

The Packers have come out flat before in big road games under Matt LaFleur. In 2019, the Packers went 13-3 but two of those losses were embarrassing performances like the Saints game that saw the Packers not really show up ready to play. First was a road trip to Los Angeles to face the Chargers that saw the Packers lose 26-11 in a game that wasn’t as close as the score. Then, after the bye week, the Packers traveled to San Francisco and lost 37-8.

The pattern repeated itself in that year’s NFC Championship Game against the 49ers where the Packers fell behind 27-0 at halftime and never really got close before falling 37-20.

In 2020, the trend continued. The Packers went to Tampa Bay and gave up 38 unanswered points in a 38-10 defeat.

The good news is that the Packers remain a talented team with Pro Bowl players on both sides of the ball. They have the reigning MVP at quarterback and a Pro Bowl running back in Aaron Jones and additional Pro Bowl players in Davante Adams, Elgton Jenkins, David Bakhtiari (when he’s healthy again), Kenny Clark, Za’Darius Smith and Jaire Alexander.

Even with these poor games, LaFleur’s overall record as coach is 26-7 in the regular season. After those flat regular-season performances, the Packers record is 3-0 pending what happens this Monday night in the home opener against the Lions.

On paper, the Packers are a much better team than the Lions. Then again, on paper, they were also a better team than New Orleans. Unfortunately, in Week 1, the team played like it believed just showing up was enough to win the football game. In the NFL that is rarely a formula for success.

On the one hand, it’s easy to look at the Packers’ poor play in Week 1 and say it’s time to panic. That would be a mistake. There are many possible reasons for the team’s poor play against New Orleans. Did not playing 30 veterans in each preseason game contribute to their lack of preparedness? Did the offseason drama surrounding Rodgers take a toll on the team? Did the Packers read their own press clippings and just get overconfident? All of these are possible contributing factors.

Another possibility is simply that even the best teams in the league sometimes play poorly. Remember, the Buccaneers lost to the Saints by an identical 38-3 score in Week 9 last year and Tampa Bay went on to win the Super Bowl in February.

This Packers team is good enough to contend this year. There is too much talent on this roster for the Pack to panic. As Rodgers said after the team’s 1-2 start in 2014, R-E-L-A-X.

Now if the Packers have another listless performance against Detroit at home on Monday night, maybe Week 1 is an indication of deeper issues. As of now, there are causes for concern, but no need for panic.

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ImaPayne's picture

September 16, 2021 at 12:10 pm

This team has the toughest schedule of anyone this year. I dont think the discussion about NO loss or the teams abilities in general will matter because this team is not going to be in the playoffs.
Just not enough talent on Defense to stop the opponents from putting up more points then Rodgers can. AKA the NO game

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mnbadger's picture

September 16, 2021 at 12:20 pm

Rodgers? He's got 10 other guys that he damn well better include in his plan or it will continue to look like the NO game. Take what's given, run the ball, then strike after the D adjusts. See Tom Brady. I was ready to move on from AR during the summer, his zen-like holier and smarter than though attitude is sickening to me. Thanks for letting me vent. GPG

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Ds300916's picture

September 16, 2021 at 01:15 pm

Wow, 5% into a season and you’ve already given up on them? This “toughest schedule” or strength of schedule conversation every year is nonsense as it’s based on records from the previous season. Injuries, teams changing, underperforming teams, etc make that discussion meaningless until the season has ended and you look back and see how all the teams actually did. I’m more of the mindset that week 1 was a fluke, and honestly I think this team needed to get beat badly to refocus for the rest of the year. Will be interesting to see how they respond, Go Pack!

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Ds300916's picture

September 16, 2021 at 01:15 pm

Wow, 5% into a season and you’ve already given up on them? This “toughest schedule” or strength of schedule conversation every year is nonsense as it’s based on records from the previous season. Injuries, teams changing, underperforming teams, etc make that discussion meaningless until the season has ended and you look back and see how all the teams actually did. I’m more of the mindset that week 1 was a fluke, and honestly I think this team needed to get beat badly to refocus for the rest of the year. Will be interesting to see how they respond, Go Pack!

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mnbadger's picture

September 16, 2021 at 12:16 pm

My appetite for more packer football is very depressed after Sunday. And I've been a packer fan since Phil Bengston, Dan Devine, Forrest Gregg, etc, etc were coaches. I've seen a lot of bad packer football. Sunday was the low point in my memory based on what was supposed to happen on the field and what actually happened. Not acceptable on any level. It looked like a team that is way too comfortable. Panic NO. Expecting a 100% effort and being satisfied with the result, yes, win or lose. Sunday didn't show 100%, just my guess, but I'd say closer to 50%. GPG

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

September 16, 2021 at 12:27 pm

The Packers were the worst team in the NFL last week (by score and maybe many other markers).

By definition, that makes the Saints a run-of-the-mill team... they beat the worst team in the NFL, which does not count for much beyond the 1 point.

😁😁😁

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splitpea1's picture

September 16, 2021 at 02:14 pm

I've heard, "The Packers are a deep and talented team..." ad nauseam over the last several months. So a few things:

--The range of talent has to be utilized on offense, i.e., the running game.

--Individual talent actually has to make impactful plays during games that count. On defense, QB pressures and hits are nice, but our most talented players need to contribute with sacks, forced fumbles and recoveries, batted balls, interceptions, and drawing drive-killing penalties from the opposition. And more than once in a while!

--The talent has to work together in tandem with the coaching staff and play-calling to produce the desired results, and on defense, everybody needs to know their assignments, be in position to make plays, and react accordingly.

--No, we don't have enough high-grade talent on the DL. There will be some turnover following this season, but, a) that doesn't help now, and b) is management going to continue to try to fill these positions with low draft picks and UDFAs?

The upcoming Lions game should not only be a get-well game for us, but a great opportunity to get some of our younger players in there--for more than 8 snaps! And what about Heflin? Isn't it time he leapfrogged over someone in the depth chart?

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Horrible4's picture

September 18, 2021 at 08:40 pm

I thought this was a good game for the rest of the Packers fanbase to come back down to Earth who felt like we had a top 5 receiving group in the league. This isn't an elite unit and it showed vs. a depleted Saints secondary who clamped all of them down. This offense was #1 last season because of scheme, not talent.

I understand there are good roleplayers but that in no way makes this roster loaded like a lot of people insinuated all offseason. There were a lot of warning signs a result like this was coming, and in a way I'm glad fans and the team were humbled by the fact they're not one of the most talented offenses in the league and need to play within the scheme and play to everybody's strengths. Players that need to play in a specific role in order to succeed isn't interchangeable with being a good player, let's not get this twisted from now on.

The defense is still unproven, and I'm not taking anything away from a week 1 loss when the defense was out on the field for an exhaustingly long time in the scorching heat. But I will disagree that there isn't enough high-grade talent on the defensive line. I'll never understand this outdated way of thinking from Packer fans. The offensive line is naturally able to block your defensive line and the Saints particularly are good enough to do that in order to run on teams. The issue is and always has been the poor talent and undisciplined linebacker play who need to be able to fill gaps and recognize plays that develop in front of them. "Run-stuffing" defensive tackles are a dime a dozen and can absolutely be found all over in day 3 of the draft and give you what you need.

That being said, it shouldn't be a surprise that this team is extremely conservative upgrading anywhere as they've been doing it for a decade now and are constantly refusing to use their draft picks and only use them when a hole opens up.

This team gave up draft capitol to go and get Randall Cobb & Amari Rodgers and both were limited until garbage time when Davante Adams came out and they had to use them and were the only two players to get open all game. What a novelty to use the talent you acquired in the 4th quarter of a lost game. They still insist on starting Kevin King over Eric Stokes, even though King continues to be a liability and gave up two touchdowns again vs. the Saints. They didn't bother to utilize AJ Dillon that they drafted in the 2nd round until this year because it's yet another example of this team being overly conservative.

I wouldn't worry too much about the Packers, they're still playoff contenders but when this team drops the ball like they did, I think all of this criticism is very valid and shouldn't be dismissed by Packers fans as me just being a fake fan. This team had all offseason to get better and once again did nothing to improve until late in the offseason when they only had scraps to work with.

Not trying to condemn the fanbase with this post, I just hope this game allows fans to understand the real issues with this team instead of pretending like nothing is wrong.

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murf7777's picture

September 16, 2021 at 01:19 pm

The only concern I have is that I believe Rodgers lackadaisical attitude with his summer vacation and MFL not playing most of the starters during pre-season contributed to last week under performance game. To me its now a passing concern.

If we have learned anything during MLF and Rodgers being together is that they have over come adversity time and time again. Panic, not even close. Let's get real, this is a very good team, with many pro-bowlers at key positions that just laid an big, ugly, smelly egg. Not dissimilar to the Chargers and San Francisco games over the past couple of years. Let's not over react.

For all of Rodgers zen like attitude, he is also a very highly competitive man and will right the ship come Monday Night.

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flackcatcher's picture

September 16, 2021 at 01:59 pm

Well Murf, now Rodgers has another reason for that chip...

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jannes bjornson's picture

September 16, 2021 at 11:11 pm

(i) believe in the Zen Buddhist philosophy, ie. the blind archer hitting the bullseye every time. Take a look at Alan Watts or Suzuki, some time,instead of the prosperity preachers picking your pockets and spreading the flim-flam. Gutedkunst has patched some parts around a Great QB, but blew it on the all-in mantra. Campbell as a starting ILB?? He's a cover backer, that's it. Heflin was robbed of his Karma and rightful starting assignment as the recidivists chose to go with their CAP hits and deadbeats along the D-line. Read'em and weep.

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NickPerry's picture

September 17, 2021 at 05:59 am

Okay I AM on a Packers site right? This comment by murf7777 is absolutely right on the money filled with a POSITIVE message.

The Packers DID lay a big, ugly, smelly egg. They ARE a very good team and they DO have All-Pros and Pro-Bowlers all over this roster. Horrible games HAVE happened like this and the Packers, MLF, Rodgers, and the rest of this Packers team have answered the bell the following week.

In 2019 the got thumped by the Chargers and beat Carolina by 8 the following week. Then they were thumped by the 49ers and beat the Giants by 18 the following week and didn't lose again all year until the NFCCG.

Everything murf7777 said was right on the button...Just watch.

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Coldworld's picture

September 17, 2021 at 09:25 am

NP, I hope you are right. Sometimes teams just have howlers, but it is going to take time to show if that is what this was or whether this is a result of cumulative dysfunction.

Gil made a point that on rewatching is absolutely valid. Rodgers repeatedly eschewed short yardage openings to try and throw players open. After the game he effectively stated that he thought this would be a breeze. If that’s his attitude, let’s hope that it no longer is.

My fear is that he sees himself as his hype and that his contractual position makes him above coaching. The alternative would be just as bad: that LaFleur also thought this would be a glide. On D, the expected confusion was apparent and compounded by baffling decision s such as playing King in off coverage, playing Lowry against Kamara and so on. I’d that an aberration or ineptitude? I fear it’s a strong indication of the latter.

Yes, this was a howler, but some of the causes seem self inflicted beyond motivation, and the reasons and source of the isdue with motivation could conceivably be more fundamental than usual.

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Razer's picture

September 16, 2021 at 01:28 pm

...The biggest example was how the Saints came out in zone defenses designed to take away long passes downfield. Despite this, the play calling never changed and Rodgers dropped back and kept overlooking open receivers on short passes and kept trying for chunk plays...

To me, the lack of recognition and adjustment by Rodgers and LaFleur to a very average NO defense is puzzling and disappointing. We didn't try to run the ball and kept ignoring what the defense was giving us all to the tune of 3 points. Forget the effort argument, this was coaching and quarterback stupidity.

Don't even get me going on our defense,

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Swisch's picture

September 16, 2021 at 09:40 pm

This does seem extremely troubling, Razer.
Here we have a veteran quarterback who talks about how venerable he is, yet still can't figure out the weaknesses in a defense? Or is it that he stubbornly refuses to make the necessary adjustments?
Even if we beat the Lions this week, and other mediocre teams throughout the season, will the Packers continually lose to top defenses due to our quarterback not willing to play the short and patient game of move the chains?
Why pay a quarterback 1/5th of our salary cap if he can't win the big games? Isn't he just setting us up for disappointment when we need him the most?
I thought we were in the Saints game until the long touchdown pass by the Saints at about the beginning of the 4th quarter. I'm wondering if our quarterback panicked long before then.
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As always, I could be wrong about all of this; but if others disagree with me, please give me some real reasons.
Do we have a quarterback who wants to interfere in front office and coaching decisions, but won't learn from past experiences how to do his own job?
Are the Packers doomed to lose to physically intimidating defenses that take away the long pass as long as Rodgers runs the show?
Is Mike McCarthy actually ahead of Rodgers in adjusting to NFL defenses? The Cowboys didn't run a lot against the Bucs, it seems, but did effectively attack their defense with a creative array of passes vertically and horizontally?
How much of the problem in 2018 was McCarthy, and how much Rodgers?
Does our current coach have the will to stand up to Rodgers if he is usurping his authority?

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jannes bjornson's picture

September 16, 2021 at 11:21 pm

Clueless

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TarynsEyes's picture

September 16, 2021 at 01:32 pm

Panic, absolutely not, and totally ridiculous.

Concerns, sure, as there will be weekly which I will assuredly mention, absolutely, and all can go back to thinking of me as the only negative factor in your season. As long as they don't make a quicksand pond against Detroit.
: )

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Razer's picture

September 16, 2021 at 01:48 pm

You might end up being the middle ground that the despair/euphoria pendulum swings through. Answer this call for leadership :o)

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TarynsEyes's picture

September 16, 2021 at 01:59 pm

That's all I ever considered myself, but there were/are too many addicted to the false euphoria so easily bought into, and reality is too hard to come by and afraid to connect with.

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nostradanus's picture

September 16, 2021 at 01:38 pm

Why did the Packers Crap the Bed on Sunday

Let me count the ways:

1: Rodgers holding the Packers hostage in the off-season - as much as team officials won't admit it, Rodgers-gate this off-season took a major toll on this team! From him chilling out, not showing for OTA's and not making his decision to play until just before training camp took a major toll on the front office, coaching staff, players and the fans. The Rodgers HANGOVER is real!

2: Unhappy Veterans: The Rodgers hangover reared it's ugly head again with players Zadarius Smith unhappy with his contract and Davante Adams cutting off negotiations on a new contract just before the season started. You can say that one has nothing to do with the other but I disagree, when your team leader is bashing the teams negotiating tactics and questioning it's treatment of veteran players, players take notice. Remember when all of the veteran receivers decided to skip mini camp? That was not by mistake!

3: Locker Room Cancer: And speaking of Aaron Rodgers bashing the teams front office and it's treatment of veteran players. Can we just admit that was only the tip of the iceberg? Remember Rodgers tweets likening Brian Gutekunst to the old Chicago Bulls GM? Or how about the last dance reference? What about the no holds barred press conference when Rodgers basically admitted he hasn't been happy in Green Bay and that the town is "not exactly a vacation destination" and that NFL players only come here to play with him?! Everything he has said publicly you can bet he has expressed 10 fold to close teammates in the locker room, he's become a cancer!

4: Hiring Joe Barry: The players know as well as most of us do that Barry is not qualified to run an NFL Defense! If you listen to a Barry press conference, he never gives a straight answer and continually branches off into incoherent babble which is incredibly hard to follow. How are his assistant coaches and players supposed to follow this guy and it showed bon Sunday. With players out of position and blown assignments! This guy was chosen because Jim Leonard turned them down and MLF went with a guy he knew from LA!

5: MLF not standing up to #12: Again this team is being held hostage by Aaron Rodgers! MLF offense, with 3 solid running backs and an aging QB should be a "run first" ball control offense. Yet Rodgers seems to want to go back to the 2018 Rodgers where he decided he wasn't happy with Mike McCarthy and got him fired because of it. The 2019 Rodgers had to be appeased by MLF running concepts that were friendly to what #12 wanted to run, before Rodgers finally played within the framework of the MLF offense in 2020. Of course by playing within the MLF scheme Rodgers ended up as MVP and his head expanded to the size of Mike McCarthys ass. By basically begging AR to return for 2021 MLF increased the size of Rodgers already swollen head even more and now MLF has lost all leverage to coach Mr Man Bun.

6: The front office: After a tumultuous off-season where the Packers brass was humiliated by the national media and Rodgers they were forced into making more poor decisions. Rodgers forced Gutekunst to stray from the company norm by arm twisting him into trading a precious draft choice for aging Randall Cobb. Instead of shoring up the defensive line with a proven veteran or re-signing Corey Linsley, Gutey decided to re-sign the Championship game Goat (and not in a good way) Kevin King to a $6 million dollar contract! Of course there were the antics of Mark Murphy who said "of course we are keeping Aaron Rodgers, we are not idiots" among other weird quotes like the "complicated fella" quote, sheesh! The Packers were allegedly offered a Kings ransom for Rodgers in the off-season, they should have taken it. By not making the bold move and the way Rodgers stock will drop if he continues to play like he doesn't want to be in Green Bay (we've seen this movie before remember). The Packers lost a golden opportunity to rebuild this team just like Dallas did in the 90's when they traded Hershel Walker to the Vikings for all those draft picks and became a dynasty!

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13TimeChamps's picture

September 16, 2021 at 02:05 pm

"...and his head expanded to the size of Mike McCarthys ass."

Gotta give credit where credit is due. That was classic...lol

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nostradanus's picture

September 16, 2021 at 02:59 pm

😂

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Johnblood27's picture

September 16, 2021 at 05:20 pm

Mikes gut is far larger than his ass... just sayin...

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croatpackfan's picture

September 17, 2021 at 04:28 am

Just wait for the next victory. Than you'll have Diva's swollen head in proportion of Mikes gut!

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flackcatcher's picture

September 16, 2021 at 02:53 pm

The Mike McCarthy cheap shots have got to stop, he's not here anymore. Outside that, I thought this was a good summary of the current state of the team. Things will get better mostly because this is a veteran team who got a very deserved 'wake-up call'. Both Rodgers and Lafleur are now under the gun, with very grave consequences for both if they do not preform. Two points: As I said before, Lafleur pushing out Pettine against the advice of GM Gutekunst was a serious error on Lafleur's part, and could cost Lafleur his job. Don't blame Barry, he was hired because there was no one else out there so late in the hiring cycle. Not only could the Packers not match Jim Leonhard salary at Wisconsin, and with Leonhard the rumored next Head Coach at Wisconsin, and with Bucky in the Championship hunt, why would he want to leave Bucky in the first place. As for Rodgers, he needs to play well, if only to keep his contract numbers stable for his next team, if he doesn't retire. (As if winning a Superbowl isn't important to him, hard to believe that) The front office has taken a lot of shots, most cheap and undeserved. The reality as TGR has pointed out, is the Packers are Way over the Cap as a result of going all in, and had very little room to maneuver. Gute has done an excellent job in keeping this team together for this run. To his credit Gutekunst made it clear that this was the end after this season for this roster. Getting below the Cap is going to be ugly for both the team and fans alike. But there is no choice, and some players (Z. Smith D. Adams for example) are very unhappy about that fact. (For those who complain that the Packers would not fire a HC with time on their contract. Ted Thompson fired Mike Sherman in 2005 and Ron Wolf fired Ray Rhodes in 1999 for medical reasons)

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nostradanus's picture

September 16, 2021 at 03:02 pm

😂 couldn’t help myself on the McCarthy actually I liked big Mike and thought Rodgers did him dirty.
I also think Gutey is doing a fine job but again Rodgers is doing him dirty.
There is a pattern here

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Oppy's picture

September 17, 2021 at 09:04 pm

Oh, there's definitely a pattern.

There's a damn good reason why Mark Murphy, after terminating Mike McCarthy and hiring LeFleur, told Aaron Rodgers "don't be the problem."

It was a flat-out statement from the Packers front office: we've decided to take your side on this one, Aaron, but we're not blind to the fact that you are complicit in the dysfunction, too. Don't make us regret our decision.

Welp, Rodgers went about making them regret their decision. It was on display during Rodgers' first year with MLF- he was freelancing, openly arguing with his HC on the sideline/ignoring play calls, and defiantly contradicting his coaches during press conferences.

It's probably not a coincidence that the following off season the Packers drafted Love, and probably not a coincidence that Rodgers responded by entering camp a renewed man dedicated to tightening up his fundamentals, running the offense as called, and went on to have an MVP season.

Unfortunately, he came in this year guns a'blazin' with sights on the packers front office again. It makes me so disappointed that the most talented QB to ever play in GB has turned out to be such a devious little shit.

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13TimeChamps's picture

September 17, 2021 at 09:12 am

I'm actually not a McCarthy hater, and I thought the way they fired him, after all he had accomplished, was pretty tasteless. I've actually defended him more than once on here.

I just thought the comment about Rodgers' head getting bigger was funny.

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Coldworld's picture

September 17, 2021 at 09:39 am

That’s a pretty good statement of what I fear may be going on. That’s said, perhaps this will be the cold shower Rodgers needed. If it is, perhaps that will set the team aright offensively.

On D, it’s a first outing, but Barry was a hire that naturally resulted in a very high level of suspicion and therefore scrutiny. That the D looked uncoordinated isn’t surprising on its first outing, but it also doesn’t explain some of Barry’s decisions on line up and usage.

The concern here is that Barry is his track record and that Rodgers is now uncoachable and the dominant person in setting team attitudes and that LaFleur is a really poor judge of coordinators.

If Rodgers doesn’t start playing to both the system and taking unglamorous yards available instead of holding on for the big one this will be a sad end indeed. If Barry really is as clueless as some of his choices, that may not matter. Both can undermine talent enough to sink this team fast. This might in fact be the year to far not a last dance if both of these concerns are not debunked very fast.

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Johnblood27's picture

September 16, 2021 at 05:19 pm

Glad to see you are finally on board.

Thanks for repeating everything I have said/predicted all summer.

You must have read Green-Gold and my exchanges and finally recognized the truth.

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nostradanus's picture

September 17, 2021 at 12:21 pm

I remember yes and I am on board

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barutanseijin's picture

September 16, 2021 at 09:36 pm

Agree on dealing Rodgers. Of course the consensus here & elsewhere in the Packer fandom was that the time to trade him is 2022.

Too late. They’re not going to get much for him — if anything. I wouldn’t be surprised if he just walked away midseason.

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Matt Gonzales's picture

September 17, 2021 at 08:10 am

#'s 3 and 5 are very significant here. If GB can't snap back to form, I think we have a lot of shades of 2018 coming back. Gute has shown he is more than willing to cull the herd in season, and if he has players on his team that seem unwilling to walk in step, he will get rid of them so the cancer doesn't spread.

It is imperative MLF put his foot down now and tell his players the social media and media drama stops now, because it is clearly a distraction, and remind them that any players who can't be bothered to show up ready to play and stick to the program on game day will be happily traded to whatever destination their GM deems fit.

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jhtobias's picture

September 16, 2021 at 01:50 pm

I would agree with alot of what everyone is saying on here except for one thing :

Lafluer standing up to Rodgers is not fair to Lafluer. Murphy and Gutey own this they are in charge and truth is when you force someone to play where they dont want to be nothing good will come of this.

I would never say Rodgers is tanking but i think it is fair to say is his heart really in this season .

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Coldworld's picture

September 17, 2021 at 09:46 am

I do not think that it is his heart but his head. I think he’s possibly at a point where he’s lost his grounding. If he gets that back, we may be fine. If he doesn’t, we may look back at this year and deem it the point where Rodgers self opinion accelerated his decline unnecessarily. If he does it will be a blip on the road for a great offense. That just leaves Mr Barry. He could also turn it around, but there are signs that he may be so out of his depth that he won’t last the season. That could also waste this roster.

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Leatherhead's picture

September 16, 2021 at 01:55 pm

We win when the offense plays well.
Rodgers usually plays well when he has time.
I think this line will do the job.

So I’m not concerned.

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Since'61's picture

September 16, 2021 at 02:34 pm

Leatherhead I completely agree with your post. However that is a summary of the Packers and the same problem that they have had for years. If Rodgers and the offense doesn't play well the Packers can't win. The defense won't win a game 13-10 or 17-14. Which is needed when Rodgers and the offense doesn't play well.

We can't depend on STs to turn a game around with a big return or on the defense to shut down a quality opponent's offense or QB. Or for the defense to come with a score off a turnover like a pick -6 that becomes the game's turning point. It's all on Rodgers and the offense.

I've thrown out the Saints game and I still believe this team will make the playoffs probably by winning their division. But unless I see it over the remainder of this season I don't think that the Packers can beat Tampa or a revived SF. They will still lose in the trenches to teams like them. Hopefully I'm wrong and the OL and DL will improve over the course of this season and be able to meet the challenge in the playoffs. However, I think we have a long way to go. Thanks, Since '61

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Fabio's picture

September 16, 2021 at 02:59 pm

Perfectly agree on every single word !!!

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Leatherhead's picture

September 16, 2021 at 05:40 pm

How many HOFers do we need on defense to overcome a bad offensive showing? You mentioned 17-14 wins……you lose something like 85% of the games where you score 17.

We are built to win with offense. That’s the design of the team. How do we win when the offense doesn’t get it done? We don’t.

It is the same problem we’ve had for years. Different GMs, coaches and players, yet the problem persists. If Rodgers doesn’t play well, we dont win. So what’s the solution? If I agree with you, we either need Rodgers to play better, or we need to redesign the team to one that can win without a $35 million QB. Is that what you’re saying.?

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Since'61's picture

September 17, 2021 at 12:09 am

I'm saying that the design is flawed, primarily because when we play the better NFC teams in the playoffs we can't stop them effectively enough for the offense to outscore them. the design is flawed if the offense is supposed to score 30+ plus points to win a playoff game because the defense is unable to hold our opponents under 30+ points.

The better teams are able to hold our offense under 30. Our defense needs to be good enough to do the same to our opponents. The defense has been too soft for far too long. I have no confidence in our defense to hold a lead in a playoff game against a quality offense. Now that may change as the season goes on and maybe the defense will play with a sense of urgency come playoff time. But to have a team designed to win with only one side of the ball is a flawed plan.

In answer to your final question I don't think that the Packers have any choice but to build the team without a $35 million dollar QB because Rodgers is going to be gone after this season. The question isn't should the Packers redesign the team? The question is how long will it take to effectively redesign the team without Adams, Rodgers, and other players we will lose to FA after this season? Time will tell. Thanks, Since '61

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Fabio's picture

September 18, 2021 at 02:53 pm

Who knows how KC built a great D (not the NFL top of course) despite a 50 ML Q .......

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Thegravedigger's picture

September 18, 2021 at 09:24 pm

they did in 2019.. the first 3 games. 10 3 packers. 21 16 packers. 27 17 packers, that was the same core. so whats changed? id say the biggest difference is tramon williams had a lights out season that year, probably his most consistant as a packer ever. kevin king also made plays and had 20 something passes defensed with timely picks. everything else was the same that it is now. replace tramon with sullivan, and 2019 king who was confident with 2021 king who seems like hes a lost soul. the pass defense that season covered up the deficiencys in the run d. also the pressures. z and p smith were not the same guys last year and obviously against the saints. the pressures werent there last season, and they did not set the edge at all like they did in 2019. so its basically the same exact team but the players have changed as players. and not for the better.

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jannes bjornson's picture

September 16, 2021 at 11:26 pm

Old School is rational as he acknowledges this is an offense driven team with a semi-complementary defense.
The caveat being is this a defense?

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Coldworld's picture

September 17, 2021 at 09:50 am

He had time. Not as much as we might like, but on rewatching, he was ignoring short yardage options too often. Rodgers is best when he doesn’t do that. The idea that the O Line is the reason for his offensive impotence doesn’t stand up to statistics or rewatching.

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Stic's picture

September 16, 2021 at 02:24 pm

Its way past time to panic. This is a very bad football team until proven otherwise. Detroit will come to play. But will the Pack?

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Stic's picture

September 16, 2021 at 02:24 pm

Its way past time to panic. This is a very bad football team until proven otherwise. Detroit will come to play. But will the Pack?

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PackfanNY's picture

September 16, 2021 at 02:42 pm

I am pretty sure I can’t make any sweeping assessments on the Packers. The reason? As far as I can tell the team I love never got off the team bus in Jacksonville.

So no I am not going to panic just yet. However, it would be nice if our team not only show up this week but show up focused and ready to go.

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stockholder's picture

September 17, 2021 at 12:20 pm

I want to change this Defense. 1. Lowry out. Clark over. Start Slaton. 2. Sullivan out- Stokes in. 3. Savage is hurt. Keep Black and savage out.- Scott in. 4. Burks and Summers out. McDuffie in. Go man to man.

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jannes bjornson's picture

September 16, 2021 at 11:31 pm

Go 4 It, but King CUT, Sullivan to dime where his pay grade belongs and Jean-Charles to the slot. Once again, do (i) have to call in the Ghost of Bill Walsh to drive some sense into the skulls of brandy-addled Packer Fans???

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Coldworld's picture

September 17, 2021 at 09:56 am

Clayton? Why would I put Stokes in the middle? Scott was injured and I’m not sure if his hammy will let him be ready by Monday. Summers and Burks barely played D.

I agree, press man on the outside: if we play King that’s a must. It should have been last week. I agree, put Clark at NT, bench Lowry and play Slaton and Heflin with Keke on passing downs. I have no idea why we played Lancaster coming off an arm injury that greatly impacts functional strength and leverage-his only genuine assets. Barry’s decisions really are pretty worrying.

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stockholder's picture

September 17, 2021 at 12:21 pm

TO-- Yes- Slaton at Ng. Clark is faster. I believe even faster then Raji was. Outside of Slaton please. Scott was injured and practiced this week. Stokes is faster then Sullivan, -- man to man. And lets see if he can tackle. If King wants to stay in GB. He must play man to man. I thought Black was to slow to help anyone. And Savage had 1 assist No tackles. The FS is to far back>

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baldski's picture

September 16, 2021 at 04:09 pm

I was a PackerBacker all the way back to Vince Lombardi. He would say that a team could beat the Packers physically but never mentally. I just saw a mentally beaten Packer team last Sunday.

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Bure9620's picture

September 16, 2021 at 10:56 pm

And physically, watch the LOS

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Coldworld's picture

September 17, 2021 at 09:59 am

We’re they beaten before or after the kick off?

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VinceL's picture

September 16, 2021 at 04:27 pm

I thought you were going to give a unique insight. We know the defense sucks, Rodgers plays hero ball, and the Packers have 7 guys who are good to excellent and the rest are cashing a paycheck.

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LeotisHarris's picture

September 16, 2021 at 05:00 pm

I agree there is no reason to panic, but I am heading into Monday night flinching. Detroit will be jacked up, no doubt, that's one thing their talking bicep of a coach does well. Do we have anyone equally as effective as a motivator? IMHO, nope. We have an excitable DC, but I don't think that counts. Hopefully, the Packers are an embarrassed group of professionals with a sense of pride. Next, lets hope they can be a team.

Defense. Al hit the nail on the head in his weekly tome. We don't have a player on D who puts fear in an opponent. I think we have to go back to Wayne Simmons to find a guy that would eff you up and not care about the flag. Somebody needs to be that guy, and I don't see anyone stepping forward to help the unit develop a swagger.

Bottom line: it would be great if we could show up on Monday night. I hate trying to get to sleep after we suck in a late game. Selfish, I know.

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Coldworld's picture

September 17, 2021 at 10:14 am

We have Alexander, Amos and Savage. That’s a pretty good 3/4. A healthy Z and the P that showed up last week plus Garry isn’t at all bad either. We have Clark, though we misuse him. That’s actually not a bad core. We played passive D all game. Remember a blitz? We played off coverage. Our talent is there, at least enough to be decent. Can we use it effectively is more the question.

It’s pretty hard in today’s game for a D to pitch a shut out when it’s on the field as long as it was in he first half and gifting short fields like we did. 5 TDs and under 200 yards with a over a quarter of that from one pass late in the game says it all.

Bad as the D was, let’s remember that this game was not out of reach by any means till the offensive implosions went beyond the prior impotence. Seeing signs of real concern on the D doesn’t mask a truly horrific offensive performance and shouldn’t mask its significance with respect to the outcome. That was atrocious game planning and in game coaching from LaFleur and also Rodgers being outright bad mentally and pretty mediocre in terms of both timing and accuracy.

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Archie's picture

September 16, 2021 at 05:23 pm

I'm feeling that chances are only 50/50 that AR plays well Monday night. Just can't go from that bad to good.

I'm also feeling that the chances are better than 50/50 that Joe Barry is incompetent.

Monday night's game is extremely important for this team and far from a lock.

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Bure9620's picture

September 16, 2021 at 09:58 pm

The concern is Rodgers playing g totally out of the offense and our Defensive line. They were owned. Kevin King gave up receptions on 100% of balls thrown his way. Stokes will be in soon. People are all over Barry, but when you get beat one on one so much there is only so much scheme can do...was his plan good? No but it doesn't matter when your dline is on roller skates.

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Coldworld's picture

September 17, 2021 at 10:18 am

Remind me how many blitzes we saw? How fast is Winston and how many yards did he make on the ground? Who decided to play king in off coverage? Who chose to start Lowry against Kamara? Who decided to play a NT coming off an injured arm and keep Clark at DE?

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VinceL's picture

September 17, 2021 at 11:42 am

What plan? Was Barry’s plan to have guys playing confused, out of position and weak? Basically the same defense as last year but more experienced, older and not necessarily smarter. I’ll start believing in Barry when the Packers’ defense gets some turnovers, sacks, interceptions, stops on 3rd and 4th downs, and hold the opponent to 28 points or less. Still waiting for this very talented team to show some interest in dedicating themselves to win the Lombardi trophy.

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VinceL's picture

September 17, 2021 at 01:57 pm

What plan? Was Barry’s plan to have guys playing confused, out of position and weak? Basically the same defense as last year but more experienced, older and not necessarily smarter. I’ll start believing in Barry when the Packers’ defense gets some turnovers, sacks, interceptions, stops on 3rd and 4th downs, and hold the opponent to 28 points or less. Still waiting for this very talented team to show some interest in dedicating themselves to winning the Lombardi trophy.

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flackcatcher's picture

September 17, 2021 at 03:37 pm

The basic problem is Barry does not know how his players will preform in his system. Last Sunday was the first time for both 1st units on the field, And it showed. (ugh) Lafleur's gamble is using the first game to replace the final preseason will not hurt the team down the road. Frankly, I had no clue what Berry was running out there, and I suspect neither did he. Couple of points: Lafleur damn well knows that the Packers have played off coverage to prevent the PI call over the past two years. Under Pettine the Packers CB primarily played press, but dropped that because of constant calls of PI when they were in hand checks in coverage. In other words, neither king, nor Alexander got the benefit of the doubt. That's not going to change under Barry, the game officials have tagged the Packers secondary as a hands team, and they're going to call it even if the secondary makes a great play as we saw Sunday. Lafleur and Barry have two choices: They can run the Stanley defense, which this team would take half the season to get use to, or they can continue to run the Pettine defense which is set for this team's personnel with whatever mods they wish to use. This is not a FO issue, not is this a player issue, this is strictly a coaching issue, one of their own making. Lafleur and Barry better get their heads on straight, fast.

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joejetson's picture

September 16, 2021 at 10:31 pm

If GB doesn't play great vs Detroit Monday, this season could get real ugly, real fast. There's a tough schedule ahead, and a proven blueprint on how to beat them.

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Starrbrite's picture

September 17, 2021 at 12:26 am

Panic—ha—not a chance!!
But, I am still absolutely livid about the putrid performance on against N.O. by our so-called professional (and over-paid) athletes.
My bad apparently, but I spent a truckload of money to fly from S.Dak. to watch this team—what a kick in the groin.
I’ve been more disappointed only twice: the SB to the Broncos and the loss to the Broncos again on National TV (@ Denver) when we were both 6-0. Humiliating performances—all!
I’ll say it again—Salute to Packer fans everywhere—we are the best and I’m not always certain our teams deserves us.

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SwedeBayPacker's picture

September 17, 2021 at 09:19 am

"Rodgers dropped back and kept overlooking open receivers on short passes and kept trying for chunk plays."

Oh look, it's a accurate description of every game Rodgers has ever played...

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