The Lass Word: The Difference One Year Can Make
How did Rodgers fall from grace so quickly?
By KenLass
At some point, in the weeks following the end of the 2021 season, Mark Murphy, Russ Ball, Brian Gutekunst, Matt LaFleur and others would have gathered together in a conference room to discuss the future of the team. The Packers had just completed a year in which they had won thirteen games for the third season in a row. Their quarterback had been voted the most valuable player in the league for the second year in a row. But their playoff run had, once again, ended prematurely with a soul crushing loss at home to the 49ers.
By this time, unbeknownst to the public, the front office would have been notified by Davante Adams that the star receiver would refuse to play under the franchise tag and was through in Green Bay. They would have known they had no choice but to trade him. This meant rebuilding the receiver position with rookies.
Another consideration was the fact that Jordan Love had not yet shown them he was ready to be a successful starting quarterback in the league. He had just one start under his belt, a shaky performance against the Kansas City Chiefs. There was more instability when offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett and quarterback coach Luke Getsy both left for better jobs.
Considering all these factors, the brain trust concluded that, in order to remain competitive for a championship, it was absolutely essential that Aaron Rodgers be convinced to come back and lead the team in 2022, and management resolved to do whatever it took to accomplish that mission. What it took was a lot of very public groveling, and a contract making him the highest paid player in league history. A contract constructed in a way that gave Rodgers, not the team, virtual control over his destiny. Gutekunst said at the time the Packers wanted Rodgers to be their quarterback in the coming year and into the future.
The deal raised eyebrows, but the Packers did not flinch. It was worth it. They had Rodgers back. He would compensate for any deficiencies. If necessary, he would put the team on his back and personally carry them to the playoffs, just as he had done so many times in the past. After all, he is one of the greatest to ever do it. All was well so long as number twelve would be on the field.
Flash forward one year to the present day. Now the Packers are giving every indication they are done with Rodgers. They appear to be desperate to trade him. They are reported to be on the verge of giving him away to the New York Jets without even getting a first round pick in return. Mark Murphy is already referring to him in the past tense. What happened? What could take place in just one year that caused the front office to make a 180 degree turn in their thinking?
It likely began with attitude. Rodgers had always been difficult and headstrong, sometimes openly critical of coaching and management. He cast doubts on his commitment to the team by ignoring all voluntary workouts. Still, that just came with the package. It was always tolerated because the Packers were winning. However, come last September, that was no longer true. The Minnesota Vikings brought the season to an ominous start by thumping Green Bay soundly in the opening week. The team would stumble to a losing record. Rodgers would flash that incredible accuracy and savvy a few times each game, making those plays only he seemed to be able to make.
But more often, he was making bad decisions, turning down open receivers to try futile hero throws, throwing behind guys, self-destructing by holding the ball too long, particularly in the red zone. A thumb injury certainly didn’t help, but coaches and management concluded their future Hall of Famer had experienced significant decline. And if they had any doubt, there was yet another crushing loss to end the season. This one might have been the most painful of all. Losing at home to the division rival Lions, a game in which a victory would have sent the Packers to the playoffs, was devastating. It wasn’t all Rodgers’ fault, but it convinced management that QB12 was no longer able to lead this team to a Super Bowl.
Meanwhile Jordan Love was showing impressive improvement in all aspects of his game. In a brief appearance against the eventual NFC champion Philadelphia Eagles, Love threw with authority and accuracy, leading the team to a pair of scoring drives.
It all adds up to where we stand today. Green Bay has gone past the point of no return. Once the team gave Rodgers permission to talk to the Jets, the quarterback knew he wasn’t wanted back. Under these circumstances, it would be incredibly awkward for him to stay with the Packers, since both he and his teammates would know he wasn’t wanted. Considering how Rodgers likes to carry a grudge, the locker room would have enough tension to cut with a knife.
If the national talking heads are to be believed, the Packers have no leverage in this negotiation with the Jets. New York is the only suitor, they say, and can low ball Green Bay. However, I dispute the notion that the Packers have no leverage. The New York media and national sports networks have got Jets fans so stirred up about the possibility of acquiring Rodgers, they would burn the stadium down if management fails to close this deal, especially considering the Jets passed on Derek Carr. The pressure to deliver Rodgers is sky high. Thus, I believe the Packers can afford to take a hard line stand in these compensation talks.
But Gutekunst may be of no mind to do so. He may be so anxious to get out from under the money crush of the Rodgers contract, out from under the attitude and the drama, that he would gladly accept less than market value for his star signal caller, just to be free of him.
What a difference one year makes.
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Ken Lass is a former Green Bay television sports anchor and 43 year media veteran, a lifelong Packers fan, and a shareholder.
Comments (300)
SwedeBayPacker
March 13, 2023 at 06:06 am
If you're a humongous POS who spreads bad vibes and makes everyone uncomfortable but you're also massively talented, people will tolerate you as long as you're the best at what you do.
Lootstone
March 13, 2023 at 06:30 am
Geez. Rodgers has always paved his own path. Even if he's hard to deal with, he was the only one with a brain during covid in the nfl who would speak publicly on the matter. Got painted as the villain, but always paved his own path. Dude was a baller in and out of nfl Sunday and comments like this have no grounds.
Thank you Aaron for being the QB the world needed, when all people cared about was a BS superbowl that tends to get decided by BS ref calls in the end anyway. Good luck with whatever you choose, but Woody Johnson? Just make sure you rob that entitled schmuck of an owner on the way out.
jurp
March 13, 2023 at 08:01 am
He lied about being vaccinated; that's not speaking publicly on the matter. He didn't want to get vaccinated? Then he should've just been honest about it, like some of the other players in the league.
Packers2020
March 13, 2023 at 08:42 am
Who cares. It's a vacination for a virus that has less deaths than the flu.
Not sure why everyone has to keep bring this up.
jurp
March 13, 2023 at 11:00 am
One million deaths in less than two years in NOT less than deaths from flu. SMH. Flu averages about 52000 per year. Educate yourself.
BirdDogUni
March 13, 2023 at 06:06 pm
Yeah, getting shot on the streets of Chicago and testing positive for covid at the morgue is not a covid death, no matter what they/you say...
Knowing the truth and still believing the lies tells me all I need to know.
MainePackFan
March 13, 2023 at 06:53 pm
The most deaths attributed to covid in the world were in the US.
Either our medical system is the worst in the world, or hospitals were reaping the financial benefits of a covid diagnosis.
india 1.4B people 750,000 covid deaths. US 331M people 1M covid deaths. Apparently we really suck at pandemics.
Surely you aren't suggesting we've been lied to ; )
BirdDogUni
March 13, 2023 at 08:24 pm
Lied to from the very start and it didn't end there... It was two years before they even acknowledged "natural immunity"... It was easy to tell who believed the lies... I'm not going to go into detail, because this should be about football, but when people hate someone who is a critical thinker, does his own research, and makes up their own mind, and doesn't try to get people to think like him, I have to question why people hate him?
You question science. That's how science works. (Especially science based on fantasy and lies.)
People who cite the BS horse wormer narrative must be unable to search the internet. Of course, you can't use Google Search engine, because they censor (remove or suppress) fact driven studies. (India pandemic study on Ivermectin) (National Library of Medicine)
People who just regurgitate the BS narratives by a certain group of people who are making millions, nay billions of dollars because of that narrative, were the same type of people handing out blankets infected with small pox to Native Americans in the 1700s - 1800s...
The reason the US had the most deaths attributed to covid is because for two years, nobody died of anything else, according to hospitals and the CDC... SMH Follow the money. How much did hospitals get if a person died of covid? The CDC admitted financial hospital incentives drove up Covid Death Rates...
Hey, I am all for people believing whatever they want to believe. I will defend their right to do so, but don't expect me to believe a man is a woman or Hunter is an artist. SSMH
MainePackFan
March 14, 2023 at 05:41 am
Bird, you and I are on the same page when it comes to this topic.
Packers2020
March 14, 2023 at 08:48 am
It is percentage wise less than the flu based on the amount of people that had it.
Lootstone
March 13, 2023 at 03:52 pm
This is why Rodgers said, question what everyone says. He did not lie. He said, I'm "immunized," the average person thinks that means vaccinated. Every thumbs up to this comment is proof of the medical brainwashing we have in our country.
You can thank him for educating you indirectly. But the problem for you was you still didn't understand the true story.
jannesbjornson
March 13, 2023 at 05:27 pm
Put it this way, most people do not go to the Feedstore to seek treatment for the virus.
Bitternotsour
March 13, 2023 at 05:35 pm
nicely put. want to worm your goat? ivermectin is your go to. personally, i don't consult with Joe Rogan for my medical needs.
MainePackFan
March 13, 2023 at 07:49 pm
Correct, they depend on a government solution that obviously doesn't work, yet was extraordinarily profitable for the very people who insist nothing else will work.
FYI. The government solution in 1918 was Bayer Aspirin. A relatively new miracle drug that was overprescribed and led to lethal doses that killed many people due to toxic levels being prescribed.
Ignorance and profit is a bad combination, especially when scientific freedom of speech is silenced.
jannesbjornson
March 14, 2023 at 11:36 am
Most covid deaths were experienced by people who were not vaccinated. The Data still supports this Evidence. mRNA research is the primary driver for a vaccination treatment for Cancers. The preacher in the Warehouse church is not an authority on science, especially the field of Virology and Epidemiology. Take the coursework and see if you can pass the exams.
Packers0808
March 13, 2023 at 08:40 am
Thanks for the comedic post to start the day!
SwedeBayPacker
March 13, 2023 at 10:54 am
Ok, Rodgers paves his own path, so? Good for him, doesn't change the fact that he's an asshole who rolls his eyes at his teammates and screams at them when they mess up, as if he's the only one giving 100% on the field. What a freaking narcissist, get out of here...!
Who in their right mind would tolerate that sort of behavior at their job? Would you?
greengold
March 13, 2023 at 11:17 am
Exactly!!!!
I'm so done with this narcissistic prick's BS. All I want is football, without tweaker inspired drama.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He's personally destroyed the last 4 seasons for me as a fan with his garbage.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 13, 2023 at 01:43 pm
You and me both GG!
It is all about AR and pathetic there are still some GBP fans here who cannot see that & continue to hang on his shirt tail and his every move.
Lootstone
March 13, 2023 at 03:44 pm
Because there are a lot of competitive A holes when testosterone is pumping. Just don't get why everyone is so targeted at just one guy for the problem that was really the front office more so than Rodgers. Was Rodgers a little full of himself, yeah but to a lot of people he is in their top 5 QBs of all time, Tom Brady was an A hole during practice with the bucs. He's just more of a hand holder so people view it as leadership quality when he gets mad.
Even if I don't agree with everything Rodgers does, I think the guy is just searching in his own for Jesus, like most people - I still thank him for being one of the few people to push back against the very tyrannical measures of covid protocol. But it seems people care more about their feelings than the truth in our modern time, kind of sad.
LambeauPlain
March 13, 2023 at 10:02 am
You describing Jeff George?
mnbadger
March 13, 2023 at 11:25 am
yes
WestCoastPackerBacker
March 13, 2023 at 04:14 pm
I'd save humongous POS for guys who commit violence against women and children. Rodgers has not hurt anybody, not at all. Unless you fault him for not living up to his contract, but then a huge chunk of the NFL is a humongous POS by that definition. By all accounts, he is a more-than-decent guy, with a great sense of humor, who has done quite a bit of charitable giving and donating time: https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/5-humanitarian-charitable-efforts-aaron-...
He's well-like by team mates (read Rasul Douglas tweet, Aaron Jones recent comments). Even the not re-signed Micah Hyde said recently about Rodgers: “I love 12. That’s my guy. He’s a loving, great person. He’s one of the best teammates I ever had.”
So you're mad that they didn't win another Super Bowl and you don't like him saying he was immunized. That doesn't add up to humongous POS. That's just a disagreement. The rest is you pretending you know the guy, based on articles written by a media site looking for clicks.
BirdDogUni
March 14, 2023 at 07:24 am
Hear, hear WCPB...
Anyone who hates AR12 for his stance on BS Covid narrative, just admits they swallowed the government, media, and big pharma's propaganda campaign without question...
I grew up in the 60s and 70s, when hero's questioned everything the government, media, and big corporations did at every turn. If you are sitting there raging against AR12 for his questioning a narrative that never made sense from the very beginning, let me just say, he's not the problem.
If you actually believe the government (rich people), media conglomerates (controlled by rich people), or big pharma (more rich people), have your best interests at heart, you were the ones who actually believed cloth masks protected you. You were the ones forcing children to wear cloth masks. You were the crazy people yelling at people to stand on the X's, while pulling your mask down to do so...
I get it. You're mad, but don't be mad at AR12. Be mad at the people who closed small businesses. Be mad at those who didn't allow you to go to church or bury your dead. Be mad at those who said it was fine to go to Walmart and Lowes and any other big business, but it wasn't OK to go get your hair cut or the local neighborhood gym.
The biggest scam in history. The biggest money grab in modern history. Don't be mad at Aaron %'in Rodgers. If you want to be mad, go to the beach, play in the surf, enjoy the sunshine, but make sure you have your colorful, homemade cloth mask, because you don't want to kill someone... SSMH
*If you don't like this comment, look in the mirror, and ask yourself why. You won't like that answer either...
Packer_Fan
March 13, 2023 at 06:17 am
It's legal tampering day. Will Rodgers be so cooperative to let both the Packers and the Jets know? I hope so.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 13, 2023 at 01:44 pm
I'm hopeful some other teams reach out & talk to AR starting today to increase potential competition.
Cubbygold
March 13, 2023 at 06:46 am
How did Rodgers fall from grace?
Well... Here we sit, just hours from legal tampering, with no answer. Just a big middle finger to GB and NYJ leadership. It's hard enough to win a championship, we don't need our GM being unsure of what roster he's building while other teams chase after FAs were interested in. Rodgers has had months to think about this since the end of the season, he should have had a decision in last week so the teams could prepare over the weekend for a very important week. Instead here we sit and Gute and the team have to have multiple plans while just sitting around waiting.
How did rodgers fall from grace? Because he's selfish and egotistical.
dobber
March 13, 2023 at 07:26 am
"Stay Tuned" --> That's all we really need to hear to understand the matter.
Johnblood27
March 13, 2023 at 09:49 am
"Stay Tuna-ed" as in "Sorry Charlie" to the GBP by Mr Tuna Rodgers...
Tekraut17
March 13, 2023 at 10:47 am
As if we have any $'s to go after FA's anyways. Whatever he decides we're only going to be able to go after middle of the road, inexpensive replacements
jannesbjornson
March 13, 2023 at 01:21 pm
Draft better.
davekenya
March 13, 2023 at 08:34 pm
...but of course we don't know that he's already notified the front office or not of his intentions...and that the delay is working out a trade package...or AR may have let the Jets know his playing with the Jets might be conditional on the Jets signing one/both of Lazard/Cobb. IF that happens, THEN AR signs on the line. Since this can't happen until FA signing period opens, we have the delay...
NickPerry
March 13, 2023 at 06:47 am
"Gutekunst said at the time the Packers wanted Rodgers to be their quarterback in the coming year and into the future."
Personally I think THIS is what has pissed the Packers brass off so much. I think when they gave him that ridiculous contract they ASSUMED Rodgers would be here a MINUMUM of two years, maybe three, but in no way be back at the "Will he/Wont he" bullshit the moment after the 2022 season ended for GB. He said he didn't want to take away from the SB and the two teams who were playing. How "BIG" of Rodgers. What a guy!
INSTEAD Rodgers has taken his own sweet time on a decision I think he made days or even weeks ago. Why? He's a attention whore. He LOVES this shit and LOVES that he's at the center of least TWO teams attention, the Jets and Packers. Will he won't he. If he does this we need this much money. If he does that we need that much money...UGH!!!!!
The Packers really screwed the pooch by giving Rodgers that contract and control. I HOPE they've learned a lesson. NO PLAYER is bigger than the GB Packers. I don't care what the Packers get at this point...TRADE HIS ASS or FORCE him to retire. It's impossible to come out of this looking smart if your the Packers. They totally and completely saw to that last year by not trading hm to Denver. Do what you can and move forward...ASAP!
Go Pack Go!!
T7Steve
March 13, 2023 at 07:40 am
I still think they should take some power back and stick it to him by trading him for Nathanal Hackett. Even if he doesn't come back and coach a day in GB.
Have to walk a thin line though. Rodgers is still a Packer great and even though he's doing to us what we never wanted to go through again, we'll have to welcome him back some day.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 13, 2023 at 01:46 pm
Do we really have to?
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 07:57 am
What changed from the start of the year to the end of the year for Rodgers? When Rodgers came back at training camp when asked if he will retire as a Packer he said yes.
When asked if he would be back this next year at the end of the season he said well it has to be a mutual thing.
So what happened in between? Why did his answer change?
Everyone wants to blame Rodgers for everything. I get why, but its not always that simple. When he was talking about it needing to be mutual, do you think that is Rodgers saying he didn't want to be back, or was that him saying that he didn't think the Packers wanted him back?
jurp
March 13, 2023 at 08:04 am
"When he was talking about it needing to be mutual, do you think that is Rodgers saying he didn't want to be back, or was that him saying that he didn't think the Packers wanted him back?"
This is ultimately the problem with Rodgers - he never, ever, speaks clearly about his intentions. Always hinting, always obfuscating. Always. Fucking. Annoying.
If he didn't want to be the center of attention, all he had to do was clearly state his intentions.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 08:20 am
You can be annoyed with how he speaks in public. But in reality it only matters how he speaks to the Packers. Just like when people were pissed off about his vaccine status. Reality is the only people it mattered that knew was the Packers themselves. They knew it and there were no issues.
Here is a question. What if he was told by certain people in GB they didn't want him back? So is he supposed to come out and basically throw the Packers under the bus?
Its easy to be pissed off at him. Its easy to be upset. But why are so many people upset with him, and why aren't more people upset that the Packers don't come out and talk? Gutey could have come out and talked more. Why doesn't he come out and say, We want Rodgers back, or we are ready to move onto Love? Murphy could have. They never talk, so all we get is the cryptic messages from the QB. Basically from training camp/start of the season we don't hear from Gutey until after the season.
My whole point is we are missing pieces to the puzzle. Until I find the pieces I'm not pissed off at the puzzle. I need to see the whole picture to know if I like it or not.
For the record I have no idea what I'm talking about. I'm tired. This time change thing sucks.
MainePackFan
March 13, 2023 at 08:31 am
Great response RC. None of us have any idea what's going on behind the scenes. It's pure speculation on our part.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 09:00 am
Thanks Maine,
I wish we knew what was going on. I wish the team and the players would be open and honest. Its just not the way it works.
davekenya
March 13, 2023 at 08:42 pm
...well, it would not be in the players' or team's interest if all parties were fully honest. Do we want our GM being open and honest at PCs stating what the team is looking to do in the draft or FA? No...TT and BG obfuscate. We want them too. For all we know, AR made his thoughts known...and was told to 'keep it quiet while we negotiate with the NYJ' so GB can get the best trade package. (I'm speculating...but so are all of us).
If you've ever been part of a (union) negotiating process through work, your best strategy is RARELY to put all your cards out there on the table at the get-go. You lose your bargaining strength.
Johnblood27
March 13, 2023 at 09:58 am
Yo RC, GBP management cannot just come out and say what they are thinking concerning Rodgers and his contract and playing this coming year beyond the statement "We have a contractual agreement in place with Rodgers".
To say anything more is beyond stupid.
To say anything more defeats the bargaining position of the team.
To say anything more is akin to telling the other players around the poker table what cards you are holding.
The fact that the GBP came out and said "We want you back more than anything in the world" last year gave them the biggest loss in the history of contract negotiations. Look at where it has left them this year with that albatross of a contract tied around their necks.
GBP management has put their feet in their mouths so many times there are permanent footprints on their tongues.
...and above all, Mark Murphy should NEVER talk about anything that falls under the duties of the GM or Head Coach.
Even if they report directly to him.
Even if he tells them every little move to make.
He should NEVER speak publicly concerning either their plans or his directives to them. THAT undermines the entire process as far as advantage to the GBP goes.
Mark Murphy is a complete DOLT and an IDIOT. He needs to keep his mouth SHUT about football operations of the GBP. He can talk all he wants to about the CBA, TV contracts, Gambling cash cuts, real estate development, sledding hills, etc. Football operations? Just STFU you MORON Murphy!
NickPerry
March 13, 2023 at 10:14 am
"Mark Murphy is a complete DOLT and an IDIOT. He needs to keep his mouth SHUT about football operations of the GBP. He can talk all he wants to about the CBA, TV contracts, Gambling cash cuts, real estate development, sledding hills, etc. Football operations? Just STFU you MORON Murphy!"
Gotta say, JB27 completely hit the mark with this! Murphy needs to stop playing Jerry Jones and Start being more like Bob Harlon...You know, like he was in the beginning of his tenure. It's not a coincidence this crap started AFTER Ted Thompson retired.
greengold
March 13, 2023 at 10:17 am
BRA-fucking-VO!
jurp
March 13, 2023 at 11:03 am
I' m not referring to any missing puzzle pieces - Rodgers could say what he thinks in clear, concise English if chose to. The fact that he never does that about anything is beyond annoying - and shows that he loves the media attention. When asked when he would tell the world what his decision is he had no need to waffle: "I'll let the Packers know by March XX, after which we'll have a joint announcement." Clear. Concise. No Bullshit "wait and see! stay tuned!" crap.
Packers2020
March 13, 2023 at 08:50 am
What gives you any right to know what Rodgers or the Packers want to have happen or what is going on behind closed doors. Because you're a stockholder?
I find it funny how fans think because the Packers are publicly owned and have a fake stock certificate that they have the power to know everything that is going on with this team. It's hilarious.
We will know when we know.
Oh and when you or anyone else on this board has played only football for 30 years and has a huge decision to make on if they continue their career or move on with a different life then come and talk to me.
Give the guy time to decide. He has given us a lot of great football over 18 years.
WestCoastPackerBacker
March 13, 2023 at 10:18 am
That's how I read it. I saw Rodgers looking back at a season that did not meet the expectations for the highest paid QB in the league, while he had to have seen Jordan's Love development in practice and in games. I think he saw GB might be ready to move on from him, and the reason why it is taking this long to decide is b/c he might not be quite ready to retire. So, feeling like you're no longer wanted at work, but there's another job you might take before retirement, you ask yourself: do I have the energy to learn a new system at a new job with new owners and team mates? Or do I stick with what I've been saying out loud the last couple of years, that I would like to finish my career where I started it.
croatpackfan
March 13, 2023 at 10:59 am
"I'm done with them. I will never ever play for Packers. They do not respect me enough."
Is that what you were thinking when you put next sentence to your post: "Or do I stick with what I've been saying out loud the last couple of years, that I would like to finish my career where I started it."
Because first sentence of my post was ACR statement 2 years ago. So if he is so firm with his statement from the past, why he so often change them?
BruceC1960
March 13, 2023 at 08:05 am
Hopefully 12 gets done filling out his NCAA bracket soon so he can let the Packers know his intentions.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 09:10 am
Should we be mad if he doesn't share his bracket with us?
MainePackFan
March 13, 2023 at 09:22 am
Lol. As long as he shares it in the allotted time frame we have allowed him : )
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 10:07 am
lol fair point.
dobber
March 13, 2023 at 10:46 am
Friend asking for my bracket: You have to have it in before the play-in games this week.
Me: Stay tuned.
MainePackFan
March 13, 2023 at 12:41 pm
did you get your bracket in on time? If you didn't, I assume you are disqualified dobber :) In my bracket, you can't even fill it out before the play-in games ; )
Tekraut17
March 13, 2023 at 10:50 am
Unfortunately he's under contract so they can't FORCE him to retire. They could cut him but that's not an acceptable outcome as the financial aspects would be crippling.
croatpackfan
March 13, 2023 at 11:02 am
They may. Little bit more expensive, but duable. Let him be back up QB. And Packers franchize would be the first to have 4× MVP as back up. History would written.
WestCoastPackerBacker
March 13, 2023 at 04:18 pm
That is ridiculous, just ridiculous. They're not keeping #12 as a backup. Your anger is outdistancing your common sense.
croatpackfan
March 13, 2023 at 04:52 pm
No, this is one of the options. And if he will not accept, he will break up his contractual obligations and allow Packers to make that contract invalid.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 13, 2023 at 01:50 pm
They can make his sit on the bench holding a clip board & tablet for Jordan Love. How do you think AR would tolerate that?
croatpackfan
March 14, 2023 at 09:27 am
Maybe he would do that with dignity, but I strongly doubt.
ReaganRulz
March 13, 2023 at 07:07 am
Enjoyed the article Ken…a lot of dynamics and ego’s involved in this. Hope that we hear something today and that our future will be with Jordan Love and Company!!
mnbadger
March 13, 2023 at 11:27 am
well said
GPG!
Handsback
March 13, 2023 at 07:09 am
The last two contracts to Rodgers were mistakes. Rodgers is the most talented passer I've seen outside of Thompson of Cincinnati (hurt his elbow I think and was never the same) and Joe Namath before NC State took out his legs. BUT that netted Green Bay a SB win and a threat to win it almost every year.
When Love was drafted Rodgers made a point to be the best QB he could be and won two MVP trophies. That chip on his shoulder was bigger than the desire/will to win another SB.
Why do I say that? Look at the games they lost. Did he come up big when he needed to or small when the pressure was on?
That question needed to be answered by Packer management and it appears it was the wrong answer.
Just MHO
Bearmeat
March 13, 2023 at 07:25 am
Nailed it. I knew before this season started that we'd under-achieve. What an awful decision made by the FO. We'd be sitting pretty with Love right now. UGH.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 07:38 am
"I knew before this season started that we'd under-achieve."
I mean, considering we had 2 of our top OL, and top TE coming off torn ACL's. They traded the best WR in the league, and were relying on a pair of Rookie WRs and taking a flier on Sammy Watkins. I think we can say it wasn't a bold prediction that this was a very strong possibility.
jurp
March 13, 2023 at 08:07 am
"I think we can say it wasn't a bold prediction that this was a very strong possibility."
True, so why the hell did the FO decide that extending Rodgers was the right thing to do?
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 08:12 am
Because at that moment Love clearly wasn't ready to be the starting QB.
So the only options they really had, would have been to sign Rodgers, try to sign another veteran to fill in for a year, or go with a young QB that wasn't ready. They didn't really have a lot of options.
Also Rodgers was coming off back to back MVP seasons. They were hoping he could carry them until the rest of the team caught up. But they didn't account for the amount of injuries at WR and the OL struggling as bad as they did.
jurp
March 13, 2023 at 08:22 am
Signing another vet would've been the preferred way to go, then, because said other vet would've been a hell of a lot cheaper. Rodgers' two MVP seasons got the rest of the team exactly what? Bounced from the playoffs, again.
Why is it that the fans can see these things and the FO can't?
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 08:48 am
It worked for Seattle. It also seemed to reinvigorate them. Having said that, to me Rodgers personality is irrelevant. He’s not winning here in combination with what we have around him, he’s just getting older and adding to cap burdens. It’s simply time, past time, to move on towards finding a chance to renew and return to competition.
Reading posts here, that’s a realization that some seem to struggle with, but it’s just how it is and we’ve seen enough to settle that here and around the league. I think we will now see how much of our recent history is really down to Rodgers and how much was off field. That is something we have to face to improve. Thus his departure may only be one step in many: the road may be rocky, but it’s a road that we are overdue taking.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 09:13 am
And how would have the fanbase reacted to that? Outside of the group that has been loud in the disgust towards Rodgers. How would them getting rid of Rodgers and signing an Andy Dalton for example, went? I don't see it going well in the media and the majority of the fan base.
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 09:33 am
An empty argument if you look around now.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 09:43 am
There is a loud fanbase that hates Rodgers. it only got louder with the vaccine thing.
greengold
March 13, 2023 at 09:54 am
And stop with your "hater" routine. Please!!!
Just because some fans can see it's time to move on from a player does not automatically make them haters of the player.
FFS, RC. Keep it to football and put your big boy pants on. We are fans of the team. We've watched a fuck ton of football in our lives, and we know what we've been seeing going well back into McCarthy's tenure.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 10:02 am
Does the truth hurt?
Read the comments. What conclusion should one come away with?
No thanks. i prefer wearing shorts.
greengold
March 13, 2023 at 10:37 am
Please, share the truth, RC. I want to hear what you're referring to as "truth."
Cut the crap.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 10:43 am
Cut what shit Green Gold?
That people on this website hate Rodgers? You are blind if you don't see that. Every article is about something and the people with pitchforks come out and just trash him. No matter if the article is about Rodgers or not. That is what the past 2 months have been like on this page. I'm not saying that everyone hates Rodgers, but its clear a lot of people want him gone.
Hell for the last year and halfish, its been that way. There was a lot of people that turned bad on him when the covid thing came out.
Listen, if you don't like my posts you can simply move on. You don't have to stop and talk shit to me if you don't like what I say.
greengold
March 13, 2023 at 10:57 am
RC, I began by stating that I have nothing personal with you in replying. I think you're a great fan whom I've enjoyed sharing info with.
I do not appreciate being labeled as a "hater" of a player simply because I disagree with his value to the team as may be perceived by others.
Has he had his great moments? Without question. Have I as a Packers fan appreciated those great moments? Oftentimes.
But, I don't think he walks on water like others here. I'm not going to just bow to that. Sorry.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 11:34 am
I never said you specifically were a hater. I said there are haters on here.
Who on here thinks he walks on water? For anyone that thinks I do, I don't think that. But i try to keep things more realistic and honest.
barutanseijin
March 13, 2023 at 07:36 pm
The truth must hurt you. Otherwise why so stubbornly refuse to see his declining skills and poor decision making?
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
March 13, 2023 at 10:08 am
Maybe the media hates Rodgers over the jab, but thats not why fans have turned on him and you know it. The diehards have turned on him cuz not only does he shrink in the biggest games, but hes also become a giant douche on and off the field who only gets worse by the year. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Better question, how can you still defend him? Im an unvaccinated healthcare worker who faced losing my damn livelihood while he was playing weasel words like the coward that he is. So miss me with the mUh JaB nonsense. Theres literally nothing left to like or admire about him as a person. I hate that it came to this because I was one of his biggest fans since before he was even a starter in GB. It is what it is. Douchy actions have consequences.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 10:52 am
A lot of fans have turned on him over that moment. There is a big change in how people are towards him the minute the jab crap happened.
Let me ask, how has he become a big douche on the field? Is it the eyerolls at WR's? Is it him throwing tablets on the ground? Is it him getting in the faces screaming yelling at players? Because Tom Brady did that every week and no one says crap about it. Peyton Manning did it and no one said crap about it. But if Rodgers does it, he is a colossal dbag?
I'm trying to be realistic about Rodgers. You say he shrunk in big games. Yes he isn't always perfect in some of those, and missed plays. Those missed plays are magnified because of the meaning of those games. But these games are not purely won or lost based on the QB play. They get all the credit and all the blame, but Rodgers didn't solely lose all those games. Just like he didn't solely with the Super Bowl for them. Its a team game.
I praise you for being an unvaccinated healthcare worker because I know that was not easy to do. So many didn't want to get it but were forced to. So well done on that.
Look at how the media and people treated Kirk Cousins and Cole Beasley when they weren't vaccinated. It would have been 10x's more hate for Rodgers. I get why he did what he did. I'm not saying he did what he should have done, but I get why he did what he did.
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 11:17 am
I am sure some turned on him over COVID, but I think less than you think. Others may have seen what you don’t, the start of physical decline.
Personally I just see a guy who is not good enough to lift what we have in order to pay him and is going to drag down the team as a result.
That’s while accepting that the coaching staff have at least as much responsibility for the failures to convert and that the FO should never have given him his current contract. It’s simply not a winning proposition for the team any more.
croatpackfan
March 13, 2023 at 11:23 am
RCPF, you know that two of us disagree on many things related to ACR. I never said that he was not, once, great QB. And he will be remembered by that. 10 years from now when anyone talks about ACR it will be with respectfulness. But, at the moment he is doing nothing else but dragging out attention. I'm listening lot of different sources and from the moment last season ended, most media was little bit more on his side than they are today.
If he is indecisive in himself it would be correct to retire and end this nightmare many are dragged into. If he finally decide that decision he made is wrong and want to play football again, he can unretire. This time to the team willing to pay for his services.
Once I asked Vic Ketchman what if player decide to retire while he is under contract regarding SC issue, he explained that if that happens contract would be valid and if he want to unretire, he will be considered as player of the team he retired from. If team asked league to liberate them from contract and consequently salary cap implication of it, if player decide to unretire he becomes FA.
So, he may test himself through that and still, if he wants, be returning and play football.
If he wants to help Packers, retire as Packers he can do that, left team to decide if they want to liberate him for possible returning. Why is it so hard to do? That is more correct to all parties than what he is doing now. But, as he said, that is his life and he has all rights to decide what he want to do and when. Who fu*ks the others! Right?
Philarod
March 13, 2023 at 05:10 pm
Actually, though I won't cite chapter and verse of every Packers playoff game during the Rodgers Era, he's been a very good playoff QB.
As for "giant douche on and off the field"?
I don't see a case for that, either on or off the field.
Off the field, mainly it's about vaccination (and to be clear here, I'm not with him on his stand). But otherwise? What trouble has he ever gotten into off the field? Ever?
He's been somewhat critical of the GM at times, and not beyond what a long-tenured player of his status (note: there aren't many) has done.
And on the field? Has he played hard, played through injuries, and played about as well as any QB in the last 50 years? To me, a resounding YES to all.
jurp
March 13, 2023 at 11:12 am
From the team's perspective, who cares what the fans think if we get the haul that Denver got" (which we would have, IMO - or close to it). The same fans who are screaming at the FO for "disrespecting" Rodgers now would've screamed then, too.
The Packers don't need to worry about any marketing issues as far as the fans are concerned because of the waiting list for Lambeau. Running scared is a terrible way for a business to make decisions. Said businesses often fail.
greengold
March 13, 2023 at 09:32 am
RC, I'm not buying any of that "Love clearly wasn't ready," stuff. Not at all. None of it. That's a statement made without factual basis.
As a fan of the Packers, I wasn't "hoping he'd carry them." Ever. Quite the opposite. The NFL game is a team sport, and Rodgers appears to forget this.
I wanted Rodgers to hand the ball off to a deadly two headed monster in Aaron Jones & Jamaal Williams. And then the three headed monster with the addition of AJ Dillon. I wanted him to save himself the beatings of constant pass rush by helping to turn his stellar backfields into unstoppable forces, NFL rushing leaders, and All-Pro players. And, maybe win more Super Bowls by being unstoppable via both run and pass. Nope.
I wanted Rodgers to embrace young WRs who were getting open, but were rarely thrown to. The entire team would have benefitted had he chosen the route of being more of a game manager, less of a hero baller.
Rodgers' skills have diminished over the last 4 seasons.
Rodgers' legs are gone, and have been for a while now.
Rodgers' accuracy has decreased greatly. (regularly throwing behind receivers for years).
Rodgers' long ball went away at least 3 years ago.
Rodgers refused often to throw to young WRs in our system, to the team's detriment.
Rodgers apparently overruled run plays so he could stat pad in RPO situations, again, to the team's detriment.
Rodgers refused going back well into the end of McCarthy's era to allow his WRs to win contested catch battles, with great regularity, choosing instead to throw the ball away or take a sack.
That's how a QB can game back to back MVP seasons.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 09:42 am
You don't have to buy it, but if he was ready, why would GB given Rodgers the contract? That says it all that I needed to know that Love wasn't ready. If Love was ready to be the guy they never would have given Rodgers the contract.
I don't see a big time diminished skill set. He can make every throw needed. His legs definitely weren't as good as the past. But was there injuries? There was a lot that went wrong this year. But not all of it is on Rodgers.
The accuracy is also a part of having new WR's also a broken thumb.
The long ball there are a lot of factors into it other then just the QB.
When did Rodgers refuse to throw to the young WR's? Are you referring to this past year or in the past?
Where is your proof that he "apparently overruled run plays so he could stat pad"?
greengold
March 13, 2023 at 09:59 am
Do you have any idea how much $$$ the Green Bay Packers make in AR merchandise alone?
Have you considered Mark Murphy might have aims other than winning Lombardi Trophies?
Accuracy has been an issue years before the thumb of last season. If you haven't seen him regularly throwing behind WRs or under throwing deep shots since 2021 or prior, then we really have nothing more to talk about.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 10:06 am
How much money has Rodgers made GB?
Murphy doesn't care about Super Bowls. His job isn't to care about that. His job is earn the Packers money. With all the moves they have made around Lambeau, that is his mark on the team. He has been instrumental in creating $ outside of what the Packers do on the field.
You are correct, we don't have anything more to talk about.
dobber
March 13, 2023 at 09:43 am
"the OL struggling as bad as they did."
Come back to the point that the OL had some games where they got had, but overall rated as a top-ten pass-blocking unit in aggregate in 2022.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 10:04 am
Do you have a break down of what the OL graded as before and after the made the big switch?
dobber
March 13, 2023 at 10:37 am
I'll turn it around and put it this way: here are 12's game stats over the course of the season. You'll notice they're pretty steady all year, with his best statistical games coming early and v. Dallas. He didn't have any big games down the stretch when the Packers were winning, and his QBR is actually--on the aggregate--worse post-Dallas than pre-Dallas (line switch).
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RodgAa00/gamelog/2022/
There's little here in his play that points to an uptick after changes were made in the OL.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 11:00 am
I really wasn't talking about Rodgers. I was more talking about the OL. Just wondering how they graded out before they made the switch compared to how they graded out after they made the switch.
But looking at it, before they made the switch they had 15 sacks in the first 6 games. The final 11 games they gave up 17 sacks. I don't know about pressures and stuff like that.
So to me the OL improved a ton as the season went on and after they made the moves they did.
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 01:00 pm
I think we can all agree that the right side of Newman and Hanson wasn’t stellar and that Jenkins was struggling when thrust back in early and out of position. There is your difference. Yet despite a weaker overall set of opponents as it turned out, the offense did not notably improve with a better OL, one good enough to pull us up the rankings dramatically over that period.
Tekraut17
March 13, 2023 at 10:54 am
Well at the time they didn't know DA was intent upon leaving for one. Probably didn't know how Bak/Jenkins/Tonyan were going to be game by game players and most likely didn't know Stokes/Gary/et. al. were going to be out for significant time so it is what it is.
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 04:55 pm
Other than Stokes and Gary, I believe they were well aware of the rest from what was and has since been said.
greengold
March 13, 2023 at 09:12 am
Me too. 100%. We weren’t winning anything with that kind of attitude witnessed over these past 4 years. Diminishing skills and non-compliance. Wow.
I’ll be elated when his trade is official.
Amazing how the NY media already overloaded with his antics just one month into this? Two?
Enjoy, NY.
Tekraut17
March 13, 2023 at 10:56 am
Yah because AR didn't block very well on those blocked punts in the SF game...we win that with average "Special" teams play and everything changes...but here we are.
greengold
March 13, 2023 at 11:02 am
You're talking about a completely different subject.
I didn't deny Matt LaFleur his choice of one of the best ST Coaches in NFL history in Rizzi. Mark Murphy didn't want to pay the man. It was his job to pay the man...
Every STs gaffe since LaFleur's hiring can be pinned upon Mark Murphy, to be sure.
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 01:13 pm
Thank you Murphy for giving your accountant Russ Ball a say in personnel decisions. Rizzi was expensive wasn’t he Russ? Not getting him set in motion the causes of us losing our last real shot at a Lombardi with Rodgers and to where we are now. No higher price for a publicly owned football team in my view.
greengold
March 13, 2023 at 01:19 pm
Thank you very much for the corroboration, Coldworld. Been thinking along those lines since it happened, which I found for Mark Murphy's bungling to be both on brand & unforgivable.
These things matter.
Untylu1968
March 13, 2023 at 07:43 am
I look forward to seeing how attitudes and efforts will change if Rodgers leaves. The competition should ramp up, with young guys knowing they'll have a chance with Love running the show. Of course Rodgers will have a great year, and we'll have to all the crying from his fan club.
jurp
March 13, 2023 at 08:08 am
He may have a great year, but he'll fail in the playoffs. Yet again.
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 08:35 am
The only thing certain is that his remaining great years are numbered. That number may be zero, but a really good roster might enable one or two more. If he really believes that, he will take the Jets offer as Brady took that of the Bucs.
Had Favre not torn his bicep, he would have likely taken the Jets well into the playoffs. Despite revisionism he was playing better than Rodgers before being hurt (and I was a Rodgers booster). That didn’t change the fact that we were right to move on. If Rodgers wins with the Jets, all power to him and them. He won’t be winning it here and his contract will simply be driving us further away for longer.
Bitternotsour
March 13, 2023 at 11:14 pm
He may win the super bowl, but no matter what, he'll never be 24 years old again. That's it. It's time. We have the next quarterback and he's ready. Hand him his gold watch, pat him on the back and wish him well. He may have one or two decent years left, but those years will not be in Green Bay. I'm more than willing to accept that. Time marches on.
Lootstone
March 13, 2023 at 07:15 am
People have the patience of a goldfish. Seriously, if he decides before or after Wednesday, does it matter for the Packers...? Chances are Rodgers wants to bring Lazard or give the Raiders time.
murf7777
March 13, 2023 at 08:12 am
I think it does matter because the Jets, their main suitor for Rodgers might move on with another QB if he doesn’t make his decision this morning and not even by Wednesday. Negotiations with FA’s starts today. Of course, that depends on what the Jets are offering which none of us know. Let’s say the offer is really good for the Packers, then by Rodgers holding off his decision will throw that out the window and other offers could end up being less.
Lootstone
March 13, 2023 at 08:20 am
I don't think Rodgers would jeopardize his legacy and stall just to stall. Plus the front office screwer went public pretty much with the push out of Rodgers. And the Jets don't really have a better option. Lamar, maybe? But who else is worth pursuing?
murf7777
March 13, 2023 at 08:28 am
My guess is if Rodgers doesn't give his ok this morning the Jets will try to sign Grappollo or whoever they think is their next best option. I just can't imagine what is taking Rodgers so long to make this decision, especially when he said he would soon after the SB and wouldn't hold the Packers Hostage.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 13, 2023 at 01:53 pm
Exactly what I have been thinking Murf!
I think AR has known for many weeks whether he is playing or not, but the stall is for the reason you mention. AR wants to play in GB and he wants all the Packer QB records and he needs to play one more year to achieve that. He is stalling and hoping the Jets' option dries up and the Packers have no choice but to take him back.
packerbackerjim
March 13, 2023 at 08:36 am
The decision does not occur in a vacuum. GMs, FAs, among others, will feel the repercussions of AR’s decision. I will be very much surprised if something isn’t agreed to in principle in the next 24 hours.
jurp
March 13, 2023 at 11:17 am
At this point, I'll be amazed if ANY trade of Rodgers happens. I think he'll wait until the Jets move on and sign an FA, then tell us he's coming back. Oh. Joy. Or maybe he'll wait for April Fool's Day, just to troll us further.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 13, 2023 at 01:54 pm
Jurp you and Murf are spot on IMO. He is stalling until the Jet's move on.
Bearmeat
March 13, 2023 at 07:22 am
Aaron Rodgers fell from grace so quickly because that's what entitled POS's do. I have nothing more to say about this human penis, other than I am thankful for the years 2009-2014 when he was actually a team player.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 07:28 am
Man, he hurt you bad.
Oppy
March 13, 2023 at 07:30 am
He hurt the Packers bad, but an awful lot of Packers fans have fallen for it when Rodgers was pissing on their backs and telling them it's raining.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 07:39 am
When did Rodgers piss on our backs?
Oppy
March 13, 2023 at 08:14 am
For the last near decade he's been an issue for this organization and it's been largely ignored.
The easiest example of pissing down your back was all the years he led fans to believe the imbalance between run/pass was a coaching issue as opposed to his own desire to check out of run plays.
This guy has been deceiving the fans so regularly over the last decade it makes the head spin.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 08:22 am
How has he been an issue for the organization for the last decade?
How do you know what plays he checked out of a run play to a pass play? Do you have proof of this?
What has he deceived us fans of for the last decade?
greengold
March 13, 2023 at 09:06 am
RC, I can’t believe you are blind to AR’s schtick. Completely. He’s been playing Mark Murphy and the rest of us fans like a fiddle since before McCarthy’s firing.
We really should have jettisoned both at the same time.
His 2 recent MVPs were all he cared about, and he gamed them by:
1. Only throwing to trusted veterans.
2. Never throwing into contested catch situations, even when desperately needed.
3. Removing “Run” from RPO.
MVS wears a Super Bowl ring. Proudly, and he should.
Aaron Rodgers’ accuracy has been failing him for the last 3 years, despite those MVPs. We all saw it. He’s been throwing behind receivers through that time, and lost his long ball.
If you can’t say you haven’t seen that… I don’t know what more there is to talk about on AR.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 09:24 am
blind to what schtick? Everyone talks in cryptic anymore. I ask questions and no one answers them. How has he played Murphy?
"Only throwing to trusted veterans." What players was he supposed to throw to? Adams the best WR in the league, why wouldn't he throw to him?
"Never throwing into contested catch situations, even when desperately needed" When he was throwing contested catches to Adams, people complained.
"Removing “Run” from RPO." The RPO's really only work with mobile QB's who offer the threat to run. The amount of RPO's they did early in the season didn't work because there was no threat of Rodgers to run.
He missed a number of deep throws. But some of those are timing. Its easy to make an observation, but we need some facts to go with it. How many of the deep throws did the WR slow down on? How many did the WR run the wrong route? How many did the WR get bumped on the play throwing the timing off? There is a lot that goes into this stuff. I know he threw an absolute dime on the first play of the season that was dropped. He also had another on in the Dallas game that got Watson going after that.
Its easy to place blame on stuff, but while placing blame have an open mind and understand the circumstances.
greengold
March 13, 2023 at 09:49 am
Don't give me that BS. Adams. pffft. I have nothing against you personally, but you are coming off like Aaron Rodgers' shill. It's just been so over the top, RC.
I suppose you loved how he threw into triple coverage to Adams in his wild fantasy that it would somehow keep Davante in GB, while ignoring every other Packers WR for an entire 3 Quarters in our last playoff game?
Look what MVS did for KC.
Rodgers refused to hand the damn ball off, consistently, for the last 6 years or more. It is plain as day.
Take those "circumstances" and shove 'em. I know what I've been seeing. My eyes have not been deceiving me.
dobber
March 13, 2023 at 10:12 am
"Look what MVS did for KC."
He was in KC exactly what he was in GB: a couple big games per season, but otherwise mostly invisible or replaceable.
greengold
March 13, 2023 at 10:32 am
Not really, dobs.
MVS was targeted more playing with KC than ever through 5 seasons. More receptions too.
MVS had more 1D conversions than he ever had in a season. More Receptions per game. More touches per game. Was just 3 yds off of his season high with GB for Total receiving yds.
MVS had his highest number of snaps with KC than in any other postseason with GB.
MVS scored more TDs with KC than in any other postseason with GB.
dobber
March 13, 2023 at 10:44 am
Granted on targets and on 1D. Not trying to be a turd, but I think you're making more out of his numbers and performance than is really there.
We'll have to agree to disagree, but MVS--esp. WRT his contract--was no major loss and was nothing stellar in KC.
greengold
March 13, 2023 at 11:12 am
Eh, I know... It was a flippant comment because I'm torqued with the whole thing.
Frankly, this Aaron Rodgers bullshit has pissed me off for a solid 3-4 years. He's a tweaker. Tweakers are all about controlling others for their own personal gain. I got lucky in having some numbers to share...!!! LOL.
I didn't think MVS deserved $10M - *from the Packers. I question how badly MVS wanted to stay in GB. To me, it seemed AR took his, "you have to earn my trust," routine way over the top, to the point where the development of some players was hindered.
My bigger point was he often chose his hottest targets to throw to, and his motivations in so doing were geared more towards MVP trophies than winning Championships.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 10:32 am
I'm trying to keep things on the level. I'm not talking with emotions like you and others have been. The problem is when people try to talk with reasoning, people with emotions react poorly to them.
What did MVS do in KC that he didn't do in GB?
The best comparison we can make is 2020 to this year where he played in every game each season. You tell me which year he played in GB and what year he played in KC without looking it up.
In one year he had 42 receptions 687 yards 16.4 avg, 2 TD's.
In another year he had 33 receptions 690 yards 20.9 avg, 6 TD's.
MainePackFan
March 13, 2023 at 09:58 am
gg. I watched the 2010 Super Bowl on NFL network yesterday, and then some film from this last season. The things I noticed more than anything was his accuracy on deep throws and his mobility.
However, In spite of the opinion of many in here, neither have diminished to a point of no return. It's not like watching Drew Brees or Peyton Manning at the end. Is he 25 year old AR? Nope. Nor should anyone have expected him to be. He is still an upper echelon, if not elite NFL QB capable of making all the throws.
greengold
March 13, 2023 at 10:08 am
Maine, I agree they haven't completely left him, but, he's nowhere near what he once was. Rodgers won two MVPs despite his diminishing skills and physical abilities.
His wheels are gone. His long ball is gone. His accuracy no where close to what it was. In spite of that, he's still better than many other QBs under Center in this NFL.
That's really all I am saying, along with the fact the man needs an attitude adjustment, which will never happen.
MainePackFan
March 13, 2023 at 10:23 am
"That's really all I am saying, along with the fact the man needs an attitude adjustment, which will never happen."
This a completely different discussion gg. One not likely to be resolved with any debate here at CHTV. If I say a comedian is funny, and you say he isn't, who is right :)
I will say this, if AR's contract was 35M this year with a team option for 35M next year, you can bet half the league would be jumping at the chance to grab him. It's not AR's eroding skills, nor his "personality issues" that scares teams away. It's his contract plain and simple.
jurp
March 13, 2023 at 11:20 am
Elite QBs don't have 91.1 passer ratings.
MainePackFan
March 13, 2023 at 11:45 am
so what do elite QB's have for passer rating?
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 01:45 pm
Historically, it was originally thought of as any rating over 100. Last season 6 QBs with meaningful playing time achieved that. I6 scored above Rodgers. Interestingly, since he’s put himself out there as willing to be our back up, Taylor Heineke was very close behind Rodgers.
1 Brock Purdy San Francisco 49ers QB 108.0
2 Patrick Mahomes Kansas City Chiefs QB 106.4
3 Tua Tagovailoa Miami Dolphins QB 105
4 Jimmy Garoppolo San Francisco 49ers QB 103.0
5 Jalen Hurts Philadelphia Eagles QB 100.8
6 Geno Smith Seattle Seahawks QB 100.8
——///——-
7 Jared Goff Detroit Lions QB 99.3
8 Joe Burrow Cincinnati Bengals QB 99.0
9 Andy Dalton New Orleans Saints QB 95.2
10 Ryan Tannehill Tennessee Titans QB 94.6
11 Josh Allen Buffalo Bills QB 94.5
12 Kirk Cousins Minnesota Vikings QB 93.7
13 Dak Prescott Dallas Cowboys QB 92.7
14 Justin Herbert Los Angeles Chargers QB 92.7
15 Trevor Lawrence Jacksonville Jaguars QB 92.2
16 Daniel Jones New York Giants QB 92.0
17 Aaron Rodgers Green Bay Packers QB 91.1
——///——
18 Lamar Jackson Baltimore Ravens QB 91.1
19 Taylor Heinicke Washington Commanders QB 89.6
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MainePackFan
March 13, 2023 at 02:29 pm
CW, the list on ESPN was a little different. I looked at it after responding to jurp. For some reason It didn't list Purdy, but it did have Burrow as the 6th at 100.8
So it appears that Allen, Jackson, Brady and Rodgers (to name a few) would not be elite. Whereas Purdy, Tua, Jimmy G and Geno are. I'm not sure I would use just the QB rating as a one year quantifier to determine "elite" status.
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 05:01 pm
I suspect the variation depends on the game/snap cut off applied. I just responded to your question as to what has typically constituted an elite QB rating and listed those who played significant non garbage snaps. Personally, no one season makes any QB elite for me in the broader sense. However, the list does give a reasonable comparative of performance last year under that measure and where Rodgers’ falls comparatively.
MainePackFan
March 13, 2023 at 06:32 pm
" Personally, no one season makes any QB elite for me in the broader sense"
Nor in a vacuum does it make them a bum. That was my point.
greengold
March 13, 2023 at 09:40 am
Every season for the past 6 years or more.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 13, 2023 at 01:55 pm
RCP,
Actually, he has hurt the Packers the past several years.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
March 13, 2023 at 10:13 am
"human penis" lmfao
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 07:27 am
"Meanwhile Jordan Love was showing impressive improvement in all aspects of his game. In a brief appearance against the eventual NFC champion Philadelphia Eagles, Love threw with authority and accuracy, leading the team to a pair of scoring drives."
Don't get me wrong, Love looked the best he ever looked against the Eagles. He played the best we have seen of him as a pro. But serious question. Are we putting to much emphasis on this 1 game?
We don't know how much more he has improved since we haven't seen it.
In this game Love threw 9 passes. He completed 6 passes for 113 yards. he had a passing rating of 146.8. He was very good that day. In that game Love took over in the 4th quarter with 11:11 left. Packers were down 37-23. His 4th play he hit Watson for a 63 yard TD, to bring it to 37-30. Eagles scored a FG on the next drive making it 40-30. Nixon returned the following kickoff to the 47. Packers got the ball back with 2:09 left. Love drove them to the 15 where they kicked a FG, making it 40-33. Packers didn't get the ball after that. There have been various players saying they were playing prevent defense and others saying they weren't. Regardless if they were or weren't, Loves accuracy and command of the offense were no doubt better.
But realistically that game Love had 2 drives and scored 10 points. The TD, was hitting Watson on a slant and Watson outrunning the defense. The FG drive, he made good plays, and had some good throws.
Don't get me wrong, he looked different. He felt different. But we never saw him in practice, so we have no idea how much he improved there. I am just asking are we as fans and media placing too much faith on Love based on this one performance?
Lootstone
March 13, 2023 at 07:40 am
Finally, someone who isn't thinking with emotion. Thank you. I was curios to the fan base reaction this morning, but wow was is this a break up type situation for GB. Everyone is so desperate for the "next" relationship, I hope Jordan can continue to improve because so far IMO he's been a great pocket passer, and that's it. Under pressure, the man needs practice. He hasn't proven to be better/as good as Rodgers yet, but because of the new passer weapons he has an opportunity to grow some rapport with his receivers. I personally would have another QB on scout or shoot for some sort of back up plan.
If Love doesn't perform 8 games into the season then what Packer fans? Let Rodgers choose what he wants; the guy has earned it. Not perfect, and pretty sure he likes trolling at this point, but the narratives and reactions make it too easy and the guy is going to make sure he makes the right decision.
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 07:58 am
The past is a false comfort and misses the point. If Love fails it’s on to the next candidate, but your thinking implicitly assumes that 2023 Rodgers would succeed significantly better. He didn’t succeed well enough last year to make that materially significant. I actually don’t think that’s all in him: coaching is a part of it. Injuries are inevitable, they aren’t a valid excuse for what we saw. Nevertheless, where we are at and Rodgers didn’t stack up past year and doesn’t this. It’s simply time ti part. We aren’t winning with him, we may as well find out if we can with Love to start out and heal our cap in the process.
jurp
March 13, 2023 at 08:11 am
And isn't the 24 draft supposed to be pretty well-stocked with good QB prospects? If we lose with Love then we'll have decent draft position and could snag his replacement or good backup.
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 08:28 am
My thought reading this piece is that there is yet again a huge and obvious piece missing: the coaching issues we’ve all discussed at length.
This omission, which is almost a fixture here it seems, has a side effect in that it very much focuses every thing on Rodgers, over blowing his share if responsibility and, since many people have emotion vested in him, ratchets up the heat of the discussion by personalizing it.
Rodgers may well have covered incompetence off the field for a while. Certainly he’s not responsible for Barry, Drayton etc. with him gone, we finally get to see who is what. I fear that’s as necessary as anything if we are to return to relevance.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
March 13, 2023 at 10:27 am
Love's not even the starter yet and were already discussing drafting his replacement? Fellas, have a little faith. This organization leaves a lot to be desired for sure, but the one thing they get right more than literally any other team in the history of the sport is the quarterback position. Combine the track record (developed 5 pro bowl qbs in 30 years) with Love's awesome natural talent and 3 years of stress and hit-free learning, and theres absolutely no reason to think Love wont shine. Everything is in his favor and he's going to be special. Im calling it right now. The Packers did it again. All thats left is for Rodgers to buy the next one-way ticket out of town so #10 can prove it.
jurp
March 13, 2023 at 11:24 am
Not thinking that Love will fail, but just planning for the future. If you've remembered my posts about Love, I think he's going to be a star, which is why I think the people who want us to trade him are nuts.
Regardless of who's under center this year, I strongly expect the Packers to take a QB in R2 or R3 in the next draft, if for no other reason that to groom a reliable backup. Remember what Wolf did when we had Favre (Pederson, Flynn, Brunell).
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 01:28 pm
Just pointing out that the rationale for moving on from Rodgers is not dependent on Love but independent of him. He’s simply next up and, since he’s not tested, some element if doubt as to his ceiling is undeniable (I think if it as the Brohm caution).
We simply have reached a point where Rodgers’ is no longer a positive match for the Packers. In fact we had last year, but then contractually exacerbated it. There’s no justification for going further than that.
Lootstone
March 13, 2023 at 08:13 am
Rodgers did decline but why? Didn't bond with his receivers, broke his thumb, and the management committed too much to Rodgers painting him black now unfortunately. You think he wanted to even admit he broke his thumb with the contract he had? I don't think he even believed he deserved the contract he had once he broke the thumb. Why else did he hide it? He knew his replacement was knocking. He was the only one honest on Pat McAfee when he said, "I have a hunch" they don't want me in GB anymore. All while management/coaching said, oh no we want Rodgers next year. This is what management is supposed to prevent from happening. Hope the front office learned what they needed for the next dynasty.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 08:06 am
I have no clue what is going on at 1265.
I have no clue if and where Rodgers will be playing. Maybe we will find out today. No clue.
But I feel like a lot of people are looking strictly at the Eagles game and saying because of that he is our next HOF QB. Which he maybe will be. But there is a a good chance he won't be too.
We weren't at practices to see what happened. We only have this game to go by.
I will say that if Love struggles for the majority of the season, what will fans reactions be like towards him? Look how much hate Rodgers gets. Look how much hate other players and coaches get when they lose a game.
Hopefully that won't be the case. Hopefully if he is our starting QB he has some good success and fans allow him time to have growing pains.
jurp
March 13, 2023 at 08:12 am
It would've been nice if we could've benched Rodgers with his broken thumb and started Love with gameplans specifically for him so that we could've seen what we really have with Love. Don't know who to blame for THAT decision...
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 08:27 am
If Rodgers comes back, it really wouldn't matter I guess.
But if Love is our starting QB, it definitely would have been the best thing if they could have gotten him more playing time.
I seen a lot of people talking about how Love would have game plans specifically designed for him. My question with that, is what would be different from him to Rodgers?
I don't see them doing a lot of different stuff if Love is the starting QB. I mean it is still the offense of LaFleur.
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 09:08 am
Rodgers coming back now will be a new level of bad. He and the entire world know he’s not wanted. It’s in the record now. We also know they can’t cut him. There will be no trust.
If he returns, I doubt another team will try to trade for him after he walked from the Jets. I suspect that he’s eventually cut with a post June 1 designation. We take the cap hit spread over 2 years by exercising the option and get nothing for him, just because that cohabitation would be worse and his contractual cap burdens grow vastly if he’s on the starting roster. There’s no way now that the Packers can let that trigger.
I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what Rodgers now wants: true free agency to play anywhere he wants or not. He may yet get what Favre had to wait a year for. If Rodgers doesn’t accept the Jets soon he’s starting to restrict their options to maximize the strength around him. They won’t wait too long as that diminishes his value while other options disappear.
If Rodgers rejects the Jets, I am now pretty certain he will never play another down for the Packers and we won’t get anything for him. We have crossed the Rubicon now. Then we should be looking straight at Murphy for what he has cost us. This won’t be pretty.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 09:26 am
It would be a whole new level of bad because a majority of fans already have in their minds that he is gone. And if he would come back, this website along with twitter will have the biggest meltdown we have ever seen.
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 09:44 am
If he comes back, I wouldn’t worry about Twitter or what we think. That will merely be a sideshow.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 11:01 am
it will be very loud and obnoxious.
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 01:49 pm
It will be, but nothing on the ructions within Lambeau.
jurp
March 13, 2023 at 11:27 am
"I mean it is still the offense of LaFleur."
Perhaps, but all indications since Scooter was hired is that he had to consult with Rodgers to "make it work" for him. This has implied that plays that Rodgers doesn't like have been replaced by the McCarthyesque plays he DOES like. This could (I stress COULD) be why we've seen no Illusion of Complexity since Scooter's first year. But as Coldworld has been saying, for all we know Rodgers has kept Scooter from being exposed as a terrible coach.
With Rodgers gone, Scooter could retool the offense back to what he envisioned when hired in 2018 (improved by experience, one would also hope).
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 11:47 am
Why wouldn't the coach include Rodgers or whoever their starting QB is, in those discussions? Why wouldn't he try to work with his QB to get him comfortable in what they are doing?
Didn't Brady and Manning each work with their coaches to come up with a scheme that they liked?
croatpackfan
March 13, 2023 at 12:50 pm
Because ACR demanded to be involved in players acquisitions, game planning and play calling. You forgot that from a year ago? It was said and it was visible. How many pre snap movement you saw last season? ACR publicly said he hate that. Why do you think Packers played not fully recovered David Bakhtiari at the end of 2021 season vs Lions, where he played obviously not completely healed and prolonged his return to the field. Packers medical staff is one off the most conservative one in the whole NFL when it comes to decisions will or not injured player can or will play. Still, ACR was left to play with broken thumb?? David Bakhtiari get medical clearance to play vs Lions not healed completely?? All other players were held out until fully recovered from injuries, how it come that ACR did not finished with his injury sidelined? Because he get rights to decide who plays who not!
C'man RCPF wake up!
Oppy
March 13, 2023 at 08:20 am
There's even some people who were ready and willing for Rodgers to be moved before Jordan Love entered the NFL.
Go figure.
Consider that maybe it's just as much about what Rodgers isn't as it is about what Love might be.
Rodgers is not the future. He hasn't come through in the biggest moments. He's not getting younger. He's not exactly an honest man. Bye bye 12. On to the future.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 08:29 am
Yeah, those would be called Rodgers haters. Most likely most of those people hated Rodgers from the minute he was drafted. I know those people. Even during the super bowl those people were pissed because he missed a throw or 2.
We can have conversations about those "big moments". Rodgers definitely has missed things at times. But also if we have those conversations do we get to talk about other things that happen outside of his control?
How is Rodgers not an honest man? What hasn't he been honest about?
BirdDogUni
March 13, 2023 at 10:33 am
Some people think he's a liar and deceived people with the "immunized" comments...
Most people who "still" believe the whole BS covid narrative were disgusted with AR for his critical thinking. (How dare he not buy into the whole Fauci led lie fest.)
How dare he go against Big Pharma and the leftist's narrative. Many people thought AR12 was a hippie leftist and when they found out he was a critical thinker it crushed their souls because he didn't think as they do.
Anyone who doesn't think as they do are Nazi, Fascist, racists...
Naturally, I love the guy! ; P
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 11:06 am
Agreed!
jurp
March 13, 2023 at 11:31 am
BDU - I assume since you don't believe the CDC that you no longer see doctors or take medications seeing as how the CDC and other government agencies control most of our medical and pharmaceutical practices.
If you still see licensed medical practitioners or take any prescription medicine, then I'm sad to say that you're a hypocrite.
Calling AR a "critical thinker" is like calling "water solid". He's a thinker, but he's not a critical one.
Oppy
March 13, 2023 at 01:24 pm
I identified the tactics Rodgers regularly uses to deceive the fans and the press as far back as 2015. I repeatedly attempted to illustrate these tendencies here. lol and behold, he got caught using those exact same deceit tactics with the Covid immunization situation. I know a liar when I see one.
Like I said, you guys just keep on believing it’s raining. You’re the folks PT barnum was talking about.
Ferrari-Driver
March 13, 2023 at 10:56 am
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RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 11:07 am
I was just about to respond to this. Oh well.
Untylu1968
March 13, 2023 at 08:45 am
The sad part is that we had the perfect opportunity last season, to find out what we have in Love. I take it as a positive sign that Rodgers didn't want Love to get a chance to shine. Aaron knows his replacement is ready to roll.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 09:02 am
I have thought about that as well. Maybe Rodgers saw the light was going on with Love and he didn't want him to have an opportunity to show what he could do.
That being said, I have to say Rodgers is an ultra competitive guy and why would he willingly sit if he feels like he can play.
jurp
March 13, 2023 at 11:32 am
Why should he have sat? Because he had a broken thumb which definitely hampered his play. He should've sat for the good of the team.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 11:53 am
When you are that competitive, why would you concede to someone else? When you think you give the team the best chance to win, no matter how hurt you are, why would you sit for someone else?
For the record i want my QB to want to play through everything they can.
croatpackfan
March 13, 2023 at 01:05 pm
Read carefully now RCPF:
BECAUSE IT IS NOT ABOUT SINGLE PLAYER! IT IS ABOUT TEAM! IF YOU ARE NOT 100% YOU HURTS TEAM! IN TEAM SPORT THERE IS NO EGOISM AND NO STEEL MAN SH*T!
Do you understand? Because some of those players might be released and their future salary might be lower because people believe in sh*ts brought by ACR!
Because in team sports selfish egoists are rarely successful, no matter how good they are! If you are not willing to put yourself in for good of your team mates, go, find some individual sport, like golf. But then you'll need to face that for every mistake you made, you are accountable, no others on which you can throw over your own fails. That is why your beloved QB is not willing to play tournaments for money. He would need to accept he is not that good as he think he is.
After all, this story with ACR is very sad story. Soon he will learn that all that money can not bring you happiness, just from time to time joy. And having more money does not mean you are better than others. Whole world knows about Albert Einstein - just US citizens and probably American continent and Europe knows about him. But tomorrow someone else will become star and he will be forgotten. So sad.
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 01:08 pm
What is the definition of “can” in that context? I want a coach who will pull a QB if he feels that continuing will hurt the team in current or future games. That should never be a player decision alone. If Rodgers thumb was as big a deal as some seem to claim—it’s an injury that can be debilitating or simply unpleasant—then he should not have been out there. If not, we need to just face up to the fact that he just was not good and it’s a manufactured excuse for that. Cant have it both ways.
Leatherhead
March 13, 2023 at 01:41 pm
I remain kind of curious about why Love didn't get on the field during that stretch. Obviously, his hand hurt because you'd see him get up holding it or shaking it. And he wasn't playing that well, and the team was losing. We went 0-4 and scored 57 points against the Jets, Commies, Bills, and Lions. The Lions defense was bad, obviously, but the other three teams all finished the year in the Top 7 in scoring defense. So although part of it was the injury, IMO, these were also good defenses. We just weren't good enough on offense with an injured QB.
To me, if you give him a week or two off so his hand can recover, it gives you an opportunity to see what Love does. The only problem I can see is if the offense starts hitting 30 or more then people are going to start asking the obvious question when Rodgers is healed, and then that would be a distraction you don't want.
I get that there's a downside to replacing Rodgers in the middle of the season if you don't absolutely have to, but there's also a downside to not replacing him as the starter.
It was probably a borderline decision last year to bring him back, and the Packers have crossed the border.
I know how to put a smile on your face , Coldworld. How's this? Warning: This is Not True.
The Packers and Jets agreed today to exchange All-Universe Aaron Rodgers for 2nd round pick and financial considerations . The details are not yet known, but it provides substantial relief to the team.
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 01:53 pm
Sadly it isn’t true, but a valiant try.
T7Steve
March 13, 2023 at 07:52 am
I think Rodgers sitting out OTAs and his thumb injury helped Love the most last season, because he worked with the 1s throughout the whole year. That's how you improve as a QB. The players got to know and trust him while at the same time they were getting in sync.
Call the Eagles' game his final exam or internship.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 08:09 am
Yeah that probably helped him out a ton.
But what I'm saying is we haven't seen it and we don't really know. The Packers don't really know either to be fair. The next step is to play games.
With what we have seen, we have only seen the Eagles game. So I'm asking are we putting way to much emphasis on this one game?
T7Steve
March 13, 2023 at 08:34 am
Would you rather draft and start a rookie? There's always an unknown. I think Love's through the learning curve rookies go through that we were fortunate enough to have. How many teams get this opportunity? We've had it twice in a row. I can think of Montana to Young. There must be more, but I'm drawing a blank. If you lower your criteria, maybe Smith to Maholmes?
How will Rodgers play next year? Like last year, or the year before? Will he keep falling off the cliff or get back to MVP play? There's always an unknown. What's not unknown is his cap hit.
Isn't the NFL great?
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 09:07 am
Personally I like the Packers approach. Draft a guy, let him sit without pressure to play right away, allowing him to develop.
I do think Mahommes sitting a year helped him. I think its better to allow the guys to develop. Sometimes it works for them to start right away. But I think overall its better to let them wait until they are ready to take over, then to put them out there when they aren't ready.
For Rodgers, IF he were back in GB, I think he is closer to the MVP performance then he was a year ago. Reasons why is the OL is better, the WR's will be better. I think those 2 reasons are why he is better. As for him going elsewhere, maybe he is better, but a new team, new WR's, i think it will be a bit of a struggle.
Coldworld
March 13, 2023 at 10:02 am
Rodgers will never play another down for Green Bay. He will end up getting cut with a post June 1 designation with the option exercised to avoid the one year mega hit.
Rodgers is then free to play or not play on his terms and for whomever he likes, walks away with a ton of money. There’s no way, with where we are and his contract that coexistence will work and no way we trigger greater liabilities by having him in the roster to start the season.
It’s over. The only question is whether we get anything or simply have to eat suffocating cap amounts thanks to Murphy agreeing to that extension last year.
It’s time to move on from hoping to see Rodgers as a Packer. Fingers crossed he takes the Jets offer. If not, it’s going to be ugly and Rodgers will get what he wants and we will not.
RCPackerFan
March 13, 2023 at 11:08 am
You very well could be correct.
I am just saying with everything going on, I have no clue what will happen.
I would have thought had he wanted to be a Jet, he would have by now.
croatpackfan
March 13, 2023 at 01:12 pm
For you only RCPF:
https://youtu.be/e4AlN9DSnVE
Go, look what someone who is QB evaluator can say you of Jordan Love playing in KC. It will be interesting and it is contra what many here wants to tell - that Jordan Love is a bust!
Then, come back end tells us that he was not ready last season! He was ready, but lack in game experience. He is fast learner and he would improve very fast by playing. We would have same if not better score at the end.
I really search a lot of evaluation of Jordan Love and all of them tells the same story - Jordan Love is unbelievably talented QB!
barutanseijin
March 13, 2023 at 03:17 pm