The Lass Word: Rodgers Has Something to Prove

Lions made him look bad last time out.

If you go back and look at the stats from week nine in Detroit, it’s hard to believe the Packers actually lost that game to the Lions.  Green Bay had more total yards (389 to 254), more passing yards (283 to 137), and more time of possession (34:42 to 25:18).  The defense held Detroit to fifteen points. 

The Lions went into that game with a record of 1-6 and were universally considered to be the worst team in the league.  So how in the world did Green Bay manage to gag that contest? 

The answer is Aaron Rodgers.  Or more specifically, Aaron Rodgers in the red zone.  It was, by far, his worst game of the season, and quite possibly the worst of his career inside the twenty.  There were overthrows, underthrows, behind the receiver throws, it was hard to watch. 

On first and goal at the five yard line, Rodgers tried to throw over the middle to Allen Lazard in the end zone.  The trajectory was too low.  The ball was tipped and picked off.  On the next series, on fourth and goal from the one yard line, tackle David Bakhtiari reports in as an eligible receiver.  Rodgers and the offense flow to the right, allowing Bakh to slip out wide open to the left.  An easy touchdown.  Except Rodgers throws the ball woefully short, and it is intercepted by Aidan Hutchinson. 

Trailing 8-0 in the third quarter, Jaire Alexander makes a big play, intercepting Jared Goff and returning the ball to the Detroit 22 yard line.  Two plays later, Rodgers forces the ball to a well covered Robert Tonyan in the end zone,  again the pass is badly underthrown and picked off by Kerby Joseph.   

Despite all the mistakes, Green Bay still had the ball, first down, on the Detroit seventeen yard line, with 55 seconds left to play.  But Rodgers threw four consecutive incomplete passes and the game was over.  Green Bay was 0 for 4 in the red zone. 

It wasn’t all bad.  The four time MVP threaded a beautiful shot to Tonyan for the team’s only touchdown, and had some big scrambles out of the pocket for 40 yards.  He was actually Green Bay’s leading rusher.  There were other factors.  Rodgers was still dealing with a broken thumb.  At one time or another, eight different Packers left the game injured.  The whole team seemed to lack confidence.  Still, there were multiple opportunities to come back and win the game, but each time Rodgers could not come through when the team needed him the most.  The crushing defeat was the team’s fifth loss in a row. 

For QB12, it was rock bottom.  His passer rating was 53.5.  Quite honestly, he looked done.  Finished.  Washed up.  The drum beat for Jordan Love was getting louder. 

Fast forward to now.  The Packers have won four in a row, and somehow can get into the playoffs with a win Sunday night.  Standing in the way are the same Detroit Lions.  Rodgers still hasn’t approached his MVP level of years past, in fact, he really didn’t have a very good game against the Vikings last Sunday.  But he has been better.  And then there is his ego.  Whatever you may feel about the 39 year old signal caller, you must admit he is extremely competitive.  He takes great delight in “owning” the other teams in the NFC North.  And he knows he has something to prove against this opponent.  The Lions’ defense made him look old and replaceable in week nine.  I’m betting there is a fire inside of him to prove otherwise. 

There had better be.  Because, despite the running game, the emergence of Christian Watson, and the improved play of the defense and special teams, it’s still going to come down to Rodgers.  He must make the clutch plays, particularly in the red zone, for the Packers to move on.  The bet here is that he will. 

Unfair Advantage? 

There is some gnashing of teeth in the motor city about the scheduling of this weekend’s games.  If Seattle beats the Rams Sunday afternoon, which is likely, the Lions are eliminated even before kickoff of their night game against the Pack.  Some feel this would give Green Bay an unfair advantage, because the Detroit players would have nothing to play for and wouldn’t compete as hard. 

I tend to think it would have just the opposite effect.  The Lions would go into the game loose and relaxed.  All the pressure would be off them and on the Packers.  Detroit would play with nothing to lose.  Let’s throw bombs all day long, go for it on every fourth down.  Fake punts and onside kicks. No, I think I’d rather have the Lions playing with their season on the line as well.  Let them feel the tension and the gravity. 

Game prediction:  Packers 27  Lions 17 

Unexpected standout of the game:  Randall Cobb 

Upset special of the week:  Patriots over Bills  

 

 

  

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Ken Lass is a former Green Bay television sports anchor and 43 year media veteran, a lifelong Packers fan, and a shareholder.

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TXCHEESE's picture

January 05, 2023 at 04:07 pm

Agree with everything here. I hope the scenario is a true win and in for both teams. That will certainly change the strategy for the Lions, and maybe keep those flea flickers in the playbook for another game. If the Packers just play their game, they should win.

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TarynsEyes's picture

January 05, 2023 at 04:22 pm

I mentioned in an article a couple of days ago about the different mindsets the Lions could have Sunday. Trying to get the Playoff spot if Seattle loses, or trying to keep the Packers out by throwing everything at GB with abandonment? I don't like playing against one who believes they have nothing to lose because you need to maintain an even stronger composure and discipline to offset it. Perhaps Packer fans should hope that Seattle loses, if just to keep any reckless roar of the Lions somewhat caged up.

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Crankbait's picture

January 06, 2023 at 07:37 am

I must admit that I prefer that the sea chickens win.
I truly feel that the possibility of continuing into the playoffs is a stronger motivator than just wanting to ruin chances of your opponent advancing.

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Bitternotsour's picture

January 06, 2023 at 08:29 am

oh boy, aaron rodgers with something to prove - welcome to hero ball.

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Packerpasty's picture

January 06, 2023 at 09:23 am

they do have something to lose...going into the off season with a potential injury situation...who wants that when the season is about over...getting injured for nothing...it has to play into some of their minds...maybe in the second half...

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Johnblood27's picture

January 05, 2023 at 04:57 pm

Yup and Yup.

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BradHTX's picture

January 05, 2023 at 05:06 pm

Great column as always, Ken. You always present insightful commentary, written well. Thanks.

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LambeauPlain's picture

January 06, 2023 at 07:13 am

Dittos, Brad.

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Bearmeat's picture

January 05, 2023 at 05:23 pm

Do you know what the single worst part of the Packers team has been the past month?

The QB. The 50m AAV QB. Hell yeah he has a lot to prove. And so does the front office and coaching staff for bending the knee to him last offseason.

This is still my least favorite Packer team since 2018. And 2015, 2005 before that. And it all comes down to our owner, #12.

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MainePackFan's picture

January 05, 2023 at 05:42 pm

Welcome back Bearmeat. Good to see you have moved on from your issues with Rodgers, and can now enjoy the Packers again : )

Unfortunately Oppy has already laid claim to the "President of the Aaron Rodgers is the Son of Satan Club". Good news though, I think the VP position is still open.

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Packerpasty's picture

January 05, 2023 at 05:48 pm

good one...what a foolish obsession, to hate someone that much....funny stuff though...

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Bearmeat's picture

January 05, 2023 at 06:30 pm

It's not "hating" Rodgers so much as realizing in 2021 that it was time to move on, and ruing the decisions made to keep him, to the detriment of the Packers - short and long term. The FACTS are that a game manager QB could do what Rodgers has done the past month. Someone, like, say, Jordan Love. And this has been the best month of Rodgers season! 150m well spent, guys. Slow clap.

I hope they win on Sunday and win it all. And he retires. That would be a tremendous golden parachute for the org.

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MainePackFan's picture

January 05, 2023 at 06:59 pm

" And it all comes down to our owner, #12."

Really? These are the kind of statements that I say BS to.

I have no problem with the opinion that the Packers should have moved on from Rodgers. That's a fair argument and one one I was open to. I preferred they keep him, but if they hadn't, i would not be obsessing about it.. However, once they made that decision it no longer mattered. Your opinion was duly noted.

Why you chose to come back to reaffirm your opinion when the Packers are on the verge of making the playoffs, I can only speculate .

If it's ok with you, Some of us would like to take a break from the Aaron Rodgers bashing for at least a week. I mean no disrespect my friend, but there will be plenty of time for you to participate in your favorite pastime once the season is over.

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Johnblood27's picture

January 05, 2023 at 07:42 pm

Go suck a moose.

Who says you get to set the agenda for another's posts?

Post your own positive comments about our decidedly average 50 million dollar QB and let others take some whacks at you.

ayuh...

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MainePackFan's picture

January 05, 2023 at 08:00 pm

Fine, have at it JB. If bashing the starting QB before the biggest game of the year brings you more enjoyment than holding off until after the game , who am I to politely ask for you to delay your unhealthy obsession. Be my guest.

Curious, what does it mean to "go suck a Moose"? That's really odd. I live in Maine, I can assure you that Moosesucking is not something that we would consider to be a wise move.

Cow Tipping... that's a different story : )

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Johnblood27's picture

January 06, 2023 at 06:52 am

MPF - I couldn't think of anything more Maine-like than a moose and anything more silly to do than suck it.

Maybe I shoulda went with a Lob-stah?

Enjoy the Packers beat down of the LOLions!

I remember back in 72 when the Pack ended their regular season with 2 absolute beat downs of the Lions and the viqueens by scores of 23-7 and 33-7, along with a surreal 30-20 win over the Saints where Ray Nitschke ALMOST scored off a blocked FG and pass reception from punter/holder Ron Widby. In that game Widby also punted right into Jim Carters ass (he was the up back) and the Saints recovered for a TD. That game was a freak show!

I was going nuts when Nitschke was lumbering towards the goal line with acrowd of teammates in front of him escorting him to the endzone when out of nowhere a Saints player caught him from BEHIND at the 5 yard line! I was SOOOOO disappointed he didn't get to score there.

Here's hoping history repeats itself with the divisional blow-outs!!!

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MainePackFan's picture

January 06, 2023 at 08:18 am

LOL JB. Lob-stah it is !!! Thanks for sharing the memory. Go Pack Go!!!

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Johnblood27's picture

January 06, 2023 at 12:09 pm

ayuh, then Lob-stah it is!

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NickPerry's picture

January 06, 2023 at 06:50 am

LOL...Go suck a moose??

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Johnblood27's picture

January 06, 2023 at 06:54 am

I was just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

Thanks Vic and Dickie Dunn!!!

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Packerpasty's picture

January 06, 2023 at 09:28 am

thats what the reply button is for...haters don't get to rule this board any more than anyone else...the amount of people who post on here really is small considering the fan base of the Packers and its sad that the #12 haters seem to think they are what the majority of Packer fans think....not so...I am surrounded by Packer fans none of them think like that...better get over it. cuz he's pretty sure going to be back next season....sooner of later you people will get your chance to see the fabled "Love" play and I bet it won't be very pretty...another career backup is my opinion...nice guy though but he'll bolt out of here soon...

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Bearmeat's picture

January 06, 2023 at 10:57 am

Here's the part you're missing: It doesn't even really matter long term if Love is great. The fact is that Rodgers is old. He IS well down the decline slope and it will only get worse until he retires. There is no going back to 2011 or 2016 or even 2020 Aaron Rodgers. That's gone.

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Oppy's picture

January 07, 2023 at 01:56 pm

They are incapable of seeing beyond their nose.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 06, 2023 at 11:50 am

"""cuz he's pretty sure going to be back next season"""

I would bet a six pack of Pabst against that. He's not the MVP anymore, Love is a year better than he was before, there are finances to consider, and the percentage move is to go with Love next season. These people at 1265 and on the Excecutive Board can calculate percentages as well as anyone, and I'm pretty sure they'll reach the same conclusion I have......that Aaron Rodgers is about to play his last game at Lambeau Field as the QB of the Packers.

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edp1959's picture

January 06, 2023 at 12:51 pm

You mean we have another guarantee from the great know it all LH that Rodgers won't be QB for the Packers next season. Seems that you would have learned that lesson last year. Don't you get tired of being wrong?

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Leatherhead's picture

January 06, 2023 at 04:25 pm

No, a bet proposition. Are you in? I do get thirsty.

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MainePackFan's picture

January 06, 2023 at 03:01 pm

Pabst? Not feeling very confident are you LH :) At least make it 12 pack of Sam Adams.

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Hematite's picture

January 07, 2023 at 05:31 am

Hmmm, PBR, I love it but I wouldn't bet against your "conclusion".
I have some in the fridge anyway.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

January 05, 2023 at 11:32 pm

Agree with you JB!

Everyone should be able to express their opinion whether you agree or not without someone trying to dictate how they think & write. Like many on here BM is a passionate Packer fan and one of my many favorite CCTV posters who contributes regularly.

I strongly believe the off-season will have far reaching implications amongst the GBP's prior to next season. It will be fascinating for me to observe how the team ends this season on the field, but not nearly as intriguing as how the front office navigates between now and June 1st. They have major decisions to make.

Starting with...which collossal mistake do they own up to, or do they try sweeping it under the rug for yet another year? Do they own up and finally acknowledge the drafting of Jordan Love was wrong, or do they acknowledge signing Rodgers to that mega contract while passing up on all the draft capital from Denver was a dissaster by trading him?

Bring on the Lions!

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Johnblood27's picture

January 06, 2023 at 06:43 am

you definitely know how to distill things down and you have a firm grasp on reality.

questions? GB has 'em.

when to address them?

Later... there is a team from Detroit that we GOTTA beat!

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Bearmeat's picture

January 06, 2023 at 08:57 am

MPF,

I understand and appreciate what you're saying, and this is why I've not been around much this year. I expected to hate this team, and it hasn't disappointed me. I have not watched any interviews - especially of 12, very little punditry, none of my normal pursuits. I love CHTV, but I don't want to ruin it for other fans. So I've mostly been a CHTV stalker this year.

The article title especially triggered me though. Hence the rant.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

January 06, 2023 at 09:09 am

BM,
Hang in there and don't shy away from contributing. Always enjoy reading your commentary.

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Bearmeat's picture

January 06, 2023 at 09:24 am

Thanks, man. :)

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MainePackFan's picture

January 06, 2023 at 10:27 am

It's good to have you back Bear. I truly meant no disrespect. We all have a right to freely express our opinions. Thanks for your response.

PS. i had a feelin we might hear from you when I saw this article : )

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Bearmeat's picture

January 06, 2023 at 10:58 am

LOLOL GUILTY AS CHARGED.

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Since'61's picture

January 05, 2023 at 07:46 pm

Bearmeat - we go back a long way. All the way back to the Jersey ALs ALLGBP blog before the merger with CHTV.

I'm sure that you know that it's not Rodger's fault that the Packers decided to re-sign him for 3 years and $150 million. Rodgers has not had one of his best seasons, that we agree on, as we have over many topics for over a decade now. But is seems unreasonable to bash the guy for Murphy stating "We're not idiots, and then paying Rodgers $50 million AAV. He's played through a season with injured and rookie receivers, a broken OL for about half the season, poor coaching decisions, weak STs until the coaches realized Nixon was on the team. Not to mention that he has played through a thumb injury, rib and knee injuries.

Also, it's not Rodger's fault that they continued to play Rodgers through his injuries when Love is allegedly ready to play. I'm not sure what you would have expected Rodgers to do.

You don't like him, I get it, no problem. You wanted him traded, so did I. But it didn't happen. He hasn't played well, see my points above, I agree. But the decisions were made by the FO, not Rodgers. For better or worse he's our guy but he is not the only guy any longer. The defense and our ground game can carry us. All we need from Rodgers is his experience and his decision making. At this point the Packers will go as far as their OL takes them.
Thanks, Since '61

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MainePackFan's picture

January 05, 2023 at 08:03 pm

Well said Since'61, as always.

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 05, 2023 at 11:14 pm

Why bring Facts to the rodeo? If Love was their guy, he would be playing. This week, Rodgers connects in the endzone for a couple TDs. Put money on it...

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

January 06, 2023 at 09:22 am

Love is Gute and Lafleur's guy, not Murphy's, which is why Love isnt playing. Murphy's career is coming to an end and he thought Rodgers gave him the better shot at a super bowl before Murphy is forced to retire. This was a Murphy decision and he screwed this team royally. This team with Jordan Love at qb plus the trade package they wouldve received for Rodgers and the extra cap space would be fighting for the #1 seed instead of scratching and clawing just to get into the playoffs.

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Bearmeat's picture

January 06, 2023 at 09:26 am

I don't know about the #1 seed, but it wouldn't be worse off than we are now. And the future would be so, so bright. Instead of.. let's face it... decidedly below average.

Mark Murphy can go suck a moose lol.

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Oppy's picture

January 07, 2023 at 08:47 am

It's not even about where the team would be in 2022, it's where the team could have been in 2024-2030.

This team was already in the middle of a rebuild plan, and someone intervened and pulled the rug out from under Gutekunst. And, yes, it sure looks like that guy was Murphy.

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Oppy's picture

January 07, 2023 at 08:41 am

Against one of the worst pass defenses is the league?
You don't say.

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NickPerry's picture

January 06, 2023 at 07:03 am

Excellent post Since '61, one that I agree with 100%... Like yourself and Bearmeat we come from Jersey Al's old site and have been commenting here since then.

I share Bearmeats disgust for Rodgers but like you agree there's absolutely nothing we an do about it. THIS was ALL on Murphy IMO and nobody will change my mind. I mean look at Denver's record...Could you imagine having Denver's draft picks this year to go with our own, AND last years draft haul?

The absolute best thing that could happen is for Rodgers and the Packers to go win it all. Cincinnati went to the SB last year and a very flawed Rams team won it all. Who knows, stranger things have happened.

My hope is Rodgers would ride off into the sunset, all the way to the Jets or Raiders for a few picks. He wins the Packers another SB and the Packers get picks in return.

Draft picks and a 14th World Championship...Sounds IDEAL!

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Since'61's picture

January 06, 2023 at 10:06 am

Nick 100 thumbs up for your last 3 paragraphs. That would be he best case scenario for the Packers and for Rodgers. As for failing to trade Rodgers to Denver last off season all I can do is quote Mark Murphy, "We're not idiots." As a result here we are. Thanks, Since '61

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stockholder's picture

January 06, 2023 at 10:25 am

Your biggest mistake; is thinking the draft picks will solve everything.
You don't need draft picks. - You need Douglass, Campbell, FAs,etc. Players Stepping up.
You want Cap space. I don't want Losing. Stokes and Gary are on the IR.
If Rodgers gives you the best chance to Win. You Keep him.

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crayzpackfan's picture

January 06, 2023 at 02:03 pm

Nick --
My biggest issue with Rodgers over the last few years is how joyful and loving he is during the game and to his offense when they are winning/won the game. Then, when losing/lost he turns into a finger pointing, body language nightmare, throwing bodies under the bus. He has been one the most talented players ever. But seems to be a front running, thin skinned, narcissist. Glad we had him. Wish we had better weapons and a better defense during his prime. But I feel he wore out his welcome a couple ticks back. Should have traded him.

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Bearmeat's picture

January 06, 2023 at 08:54 am

I agree with you for the most part, 61. And you know I will always be a Packers fan. I've just had a ton of trouble getting over that this year - win or lose.

However, I disagree that Rodgers is not at fault. He specifically insisted on a deal that would make him impossible to move. HE has all the power and everyone at 1265 knows it. Ergo, HE is responsible to make things happen when the chips are down. The Michael Jordan/Wayne Gretzky law. HE hasn't done that, and I don't give two shits about rookie WRs and injuries. HE is paid the big bucks and HE was the one throwing 40 balls all over the yard instead of running it earlier in the year.

Screw 12.

GPG.

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Since'61's picture

January 06, 2023 at 09:59 am

Bearmeat - There are always 2 sides to the story and I agree that Rodgers has his share of responsibility in the current contract situation. However, once Murphy publicly claimed "We're not idiots", in response to a question about extending Rodgers during a press conference in January 2022, he gave any negotiating leverage away to Rodgers and his agent. Rodger's current contract is the cost for the Packers not being idiots.

I agree that Rodgers is responsible to make things happen or at least he has been in the past. Finally this season the defense, the run game and lately Nixon have been making things happen and that's fine. A player's salary does not guarantee performance, especially going forward. In Rodgers case he is paid for bringing in the fans and the revenue. As far as Murphy is concerned Rodgers keeps the Packers relevant in the league and on a national level. That's what matters to the FO, the Board and the league.

We can easily make the argument that nearly every player in professional sports is overpaid. Look at Stafford, he has a huge contract and he has missed most of the season. Let's not forget Brees and his last few seasons in New Orleans with an enormous contract and we can go on and name numerous others.

Forgetting Rodgers I know you'll always be a Packers fan and I know you'll continue to comment here at CHTV. And I will always look forward to reading your posts. Stay safe. Thanks, Since '61

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 06, 2023 at 02:29 pm

Discourse is the Foundation of Democracy. If they wanted to move Rodgers, then the Summer of '21 was their best opportunity when Adams wasn't motivated to sign an extension, ergo the "Last Dance" theme. It's all good.
This squad matches up in a similar manner to the 2010 group. Just get hot at the right time. Bhak and Jenkins are Healthy and taking names. Jennings and Jordy are absent ,but Watson and Doubs are Playmakers. I like our chances.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 06, 2023 at 11:56 am

"""'All we need from Rodgers is his experience and his decision making."""""

We need him to move the offense and score points. The rest of this I agree with, especially the part about the Oline. You cannot have a passing game unless you can protect the passer. You cannot have a running game without some holes to run through. My operating premise for the last several years is that if the line does their job, the Packers offense will move and score points. It's still my operating premise.

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Bearmeat's picture

January 06, 2023 at 08:58 am

Oh, I've been the Vice-President of the "12 bashers" since 2015. Oppy takes the crown though. :)

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Oppy's picture

January 07, 2023 at 08:52 am

I think the funny thing is the upvotes for this post probably think you're bashing me, lol.

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Bearmeat's picture

January 07, 2023 at 09:20 pm

lol

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Tundraboy's picture

January 06, 2023 at 12:44 am

Ho hum🥱

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Rennatkcir's picture

January 05, 2023 at 06:14 pm

They moved the Packers / Lions to primetime because Seattle is going to lose. Take the Rams and the points.

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Fubared's picture

January 05, 2023 at 06:15 pm

Going to be interesting. Rodgers hasnt been anywhere near his best this year. The Lions are coming in with nothing to lose. There only incentive is to send a message that they are a good team too and want to send the packers to the showers not the playoffs.
If the Lions were to walk away with a big win I would not be shocked, they are the second highest scoring team the league and I still think the pass d is suspect.
This game Rodgers for sure most light it up. The Lions pass rushers understand this is the last game until next year so let it out.

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barutanseijin's picture

January 06, 2023 at 05:45 am

Rodgers can’t light it up anymore. If he tries, the Packers will surely lose. He needs to feed Jones and Dillon and make throws he’s likely to complete. It’s on LaFleur to keep him contained.

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LambeauPlain's picture

January 06, 2023 at 07:36 am

I think MLF is now 10-0 when the team runs 50% or more.

Run to set up the pass. Get very manageable 3rd downs. Own the time of possession. Run more plays, earn more scoring opportunities vs the opponent and score.

Another big benefit: Keep the D on the sideline and fresher to close the deal in the 4th quarter while wearing down the opponents D early and often.

Packers have the identity to do this. OL band is back together and playing well, especially run blocking. They have WRs and TEs who love to run block.

But the catalyst that makes this go the sublime AJ who is uncanny in finding the seams behind that OL...great patience, vision, balance, and surprising power. And when AJD spells AJ, the run first mentality remains potent.

Rodgers does have a lot to prove in this game. An average stat line for him while punching the team's ticket to the Dance would PROVE his leadership is alive and well.

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 06, 2023 at 02:39 pm

Even Holmgren ran the ball when the weather changed and he could smell the Playoffs. If they ran A.Jones at a higher rate this season, he would be beat up by now. Save your horses. Keep them fresh. The O Line is in synch.

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NickPerry's picture

January 06, 2023 at 07:16 am

LOL... I see our resident Vikings Fan Fubared is now rooting for the Lions. Since the Vikings couldn't do it root for the Lions huh?

Funny thing happened after that purple team got that ass whipped last week, I didn't see much from Fubared.

The Lions are a decent team but the difference between the Lions at home and the Lions on the road is night and day. They average about half the points, half the yards, and they struggle on a grass field.

Hmmm...Sounds like the Vikings except the Vikes are FRAUDS!!!!

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LambeauPlain's picture

January 06, 2023 at 07:40 am

Every week in the NFL, I want two teams to win...the Pack and whoever is playing MN.

Twice a season, it is the same team...making last Sunday so wonderful.

Maybe this year, it will be three times!

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Mr_Bill_H's picture

January 05, 2023 at 06:25 pm

Rodgers made Rodgers look bad in that game, because as suggested in the article, he was

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coolhand's picture

January 06, 2023 at 09:47 am

His first interception in the end zone wasn't batted down, he threw it right into a Detroit d lineman's head. I still can't understand that throw.

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Oppy's picture

January 07, 2023 at 08:55 am

His thumb was broken, or his knee was bothering him, or the OL didn't give him a clean pocket, maybe the WR didn't get the signal, or it's the ayahuasca.

It's never Rodgers, that's all you need to understand.

Never.

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BruceC1960's picture

January 05, 2023 at 06:59 pm

This game will say a lot about what happens next year with AR and Barry. Lose to the Lions and the vultures will be circling.

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MainePackFan's picture

January 05, 2023 at 07:14 pm

You Nailed it BruceC.

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LambeauPlain's picture

January 06, 2023 at 07:46 am

Yes they will because the 2022 season will be "dead".

Let's hope they keep circling Chicago for another 5 weeks!

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crayzpackfan's picture

January 06, 2023 at 03:47 pm

I agree Bruce. If we get blown out and our defense looks soft, The offseason will be interesting

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Oppy's picture

January 07, 2023 at 08:57 am

The interesting thing about it, Bruce..

If the Packers win in Detroit, but go into the playoffs and the offense completely stalls due to ignoring the run and we go home after Rodgers launches a volley of deep balls into double coverage instead of taking the open man underneath..

Only Barry will be on the hot seat.

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MainePackFan's picture

January 05, 2023 at 07:21 pm

Ken, you jinxed us. You picked the Packers : )

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Qoojo's picture

January 05, 2023 at 07:23 pm

I thought Rodgers has looked more uncertain and indecisive with each passing year. The TB playoff game he didn't perform in the second half. The playoff game last year convinced me that he just doesn't "it" any more. He is still above average or good. He isn't worth the elite money that they are paying him, nor is he worth the deference that the packers must give him.

He doesn't have anything to prove. If packers are going to win, it has to be team effort. He alone isn't going to keep it close or carry the team.

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Johnblood27's picture

January 05, 2023 at 07:44 pm

What an inspired and insightful comment.

Glad to see there is still some objectivity here at CHTV... sorry... ARTV...

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Minniman's picture

January 05, 2023 at 08:06 pm

Wasn't it after this game that we got the revelation that Rodgers was nursing the broken thumb?

If so, there's probably a good argument to question why he was playing in the first place (or wasn't benched when the run game became unreliable).

I'd argue that the triumvirate of Rodgers, LaFleur and Barry all have something to prove, Ken.

Bisaccia is ahead of them by virtue of the fact that he's tidied up the play of the main packages (kick\punt return and its defense as well as FG\PAT) before the Nixon revelation - but there's still clearly work to be done here.

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Crankbait's picture

January 06, 2023 at 07:42 am

I have to disagree on that one. I thought the special teams still sucked until Nixon hit the stage.

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Oppy's picture

January 07, 2023 at 09:00 am

The return man doesn't make the blocking improve on return teams.
Watch the blocking, it's been very good.

Protection has still been an issue, that's true. but other segments have been markedly improved.

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Since'61's picture

January 05, 2023 at 08:32 pm

At this point in his career I'm not sure that Rodgers has anything left to prove to anyone. 1st ballot HOFer, 4 time MVP, QB on an SB winning team, SB MVP, highest passer rating of all time, best TD/Int ratio all time, best home record of all time, best December W/L record of time, etc.

On a personal level Rodgers may want to prove something to the Lions since he embarrassed himself in the game at Detroit. However all Rodgers needs to do is play smart, move the sticks depend on his ground game and the defense and take what the defense gives him. The Lions are ranked last in the league in yards allowed per game. That should be enough to move the ball and keep the Lions offense off the field.

Winning the game and reaching the playoffs is enough to prove something to the Lions. End their season move on to the playoffs. Beyond that Rodgers has nothing to prove to anyone. Thanks, Since '61

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T7Steve's picture

January 06, 2023 at 07:35 am

Good one Since'61. He still likes to stick it to the doubters though, so maybe he's saving some surprises. Been waiting for him to play with a chip all season, but as you say, "he's got nothing to prove".

What he proved to me this year (or at least the last few games) is that he WILL play the offense and cherishes the running game. He used to not believe he needed it and could make things happen on his own with Adams. Now he needs play action to make this work and he's not fighting it.

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Crankbait's picture

January 06, 2023 at 07:45 am

Totally agree. I think the game is in LeFleurs hands.... not as much Rogers. If he calls right game plan on offense, which means run, run run, to keep the ball out of the hands of Detroit, we win.

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Oppy's picture

January 07, 2023 at 09:05 am

" However all Rodgers needs to do is play smart, move the sticks depend on his ground game and the defense and take what the defense gives him."

Well, that's a big however. All I've asked of Rodgers for the better part of a decade. We get glimpses of this version of Rodgers. A quarter here, the occasional half. We've even seen 3 or 4 full games where Rodgers operates within the offense as you've detailed above over the last 5 years.

The issue is, it always passes (Pun not intended, but I'll take it), and whenever we start to believe that Rodgers 'gets it' and has changed his ways, it's right back to forcing the deep ball regardless of the coverage or the situation.

The guy just can't help but make it all about him.

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GregC's picture

January 05, 2023 at 08:49 pm

I don't think it's all going to come down to Rodgers. The Packers will probably win as long as he doesn't stink the place up, like he did in the last game against the Lions. Jared Goff was terrible in that game too, but he can also be very good, so I would say it will more likely come down to how Goff plays than how Rodgers plays.

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pantz_bURp's picture

January 06, 2023 at 06:54 am

For now, I got the Lass word!!! I am a winner! +just ask my parentz..... and girlfriend, who is a looker....just sayin'....

Question, guess what pipes won't freeze in the fridged temps in the hinterland? My left and right ARMs...now you know. Anyone want to arm wrestle me? I go about 6'7".....267lbs, sculpted (nose hairs crossed) Now back to your corners, you filthy animals! ;).

I hope the Packers play with as much passion and intensity as you posters. You guys & gals ROCK! Thanks for giving a darn about the Green N Gold. 👍💪💪✌️

GPG!

Rudy, Rudy, Rudy......Ford will seal the victory with an INT. It will happen...I dreamed it...therefore, it will be so. :)

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stockholder's picture

January 06, 2023 at 07:26 am

Rodgers has nothing to prove.
Just another article to weaponize the fan base.
So what if Rodgers doesn’t want to pass the Torch.
If Rodgers was active in the community. You'd praise him.
The ego slam was perfect.
This is about the Team! Beating the Lions.
Ripping Rodgers apart before every game is insulting.
He's performed magnificently with all the criticism.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

January 06, 2023 at 09:10 am

Performed magnificently? What are you talking about? By most metrics, hes been below average all season. As for criticism, what do you expect when the guy basically held out for the biggest contract ever then proceeds to trash his own teammates and coaches all season while playing mediocre himself? This teams best games have been the games Rodgers has done the least. The more passes he throws, the worse this team looks. Theyve won games despite him, not because of him. He hasnt carried them to a single victory this year. Theres not one win you can point to and say "man Rodgers really won them that game." But i can point to games like the Giants and Lions games where he absolutely crapped the bed and cost them games.

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stockholder's picture

January 06, 2023 at 10:08 am

Rodgers only needs to lead. He's pushed off the pressure!
By being straight forward about everything! Trash?
Try being Competitive, and not making mistakes.
He did what he needed do, to get his teammates to try harder.
You point to stats. I point to wins!

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

January 06, 2023 at 11:48 am

You point to wins, i point to defense, run game, and special teams. None of which this team needs Rodgers for.

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Since'61's picture

January 06, 2023 at 07:00 pm

RTS - How exactly did Rodgers hold out?

On January 26th Mark Murphy made the comment, "There's no way in heck Aaron is not gonna be on the Packers," Murphy said Monday during an appearance on WNFL in Green Bay. "He's going to be the MVP of the league, might have had his best year ever, he's our unquestioned leader, and we're not idiots."

On March 15th the Packers announced, "Aaron Rodgers officially signs contract extension; Packers QB to earn $150.8M over next three years."

How does signing a contract on March 22, months before training camp begins, means that Rodgers held out?
Murphy gave away any negotiating leverage the Packers had with his comment above. Murphy left the door wide open for Rodger's agent to say to the Packers, "This is what it will cost you not to be idiots." At least that's the approach that I would have taken after Murphy's comment.

We can complain that Rodger's has not played well this season and I would agree. In fact I advocated for Love to start when Rodgers injured his thumb and allow him to heal. Instead the Packers chose to continue to play him through his thumb, rib and knee injuries. Is that Rodger's fault?

As for thrashing his team mates and coaches all season I have yet to see an example of when that has occurred
but if you can point me to an article(s) or tape(s) of him making those comments I will be happy to read/watch them.

Finally, I can point to the Dallas game where Rodgers led the team to a 4th quarter comeback against the Cowboys. The Packers were trailing 28-14 in the beginning of the 4th quarter and he led 2 TD drives in the 4th and the winning FG drive in OT. That win doesn't happen without Rodgers. Thanks, Since '61

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Oppy's picture

January 07, 2023 at 09:11 am

Rodgers was making comments that he wasn't sure he wanted to play football in 2022, reports were that he wouldn't play for the Packers if Murphy was still the GM, etc and so forth.

You don't have to label it a hold-out, but he was definitely applying massive leverage to get a monster contract that made him impossible to move.

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pantz_bURp's picture

January 06, 2023 at 07:27 am

I got the Lass word!

Update: darn, you guyz won't give up so soon, will ya?

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mjbrogno's picture

January 06, 2023 at 07:28 am

I’ve been a Packer fan since 1967 when I watched the infamous Ice Bowl with my Dad. I was born and raised in Jersey City, NJ. I’ve lived in California for the past forty years. I took my daughter and granddaughter to the Cowboy game this season, memories forever. I spent the holidays in NJ with my family this year. I was scheduled to go back to California this past Tuesday. On Monday, I came up with a great idea. I decided to go to the game on Sunday. This will be my 9th visit to the “Mecca”, Lambeau Field. I’ll be there to watch #12 lead us to victory, GO PACK GO!!!

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T7Steve's picture

January 06, 2023 at 07:41 am

It's great to know we're still getting new fans. Good luck at the game. Be safe and have fun. GPG!

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dobber's picture

January 06, 2023 at 07:33 am

If ARod goes into this game thinking he has "something to prove", I think the Packers will lose.

Play within the offense, take care of the ball, move the chains, score 7s.

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LambeauPlain's picture

January 06, 2023 at 07:54 am

My sentiments exactly. All Rodgers need to prove is he can lead the Offense to the playoffs with complimentary play by the D and Teams and keep the streak at 5 games with other 4 to go!

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pantz_bURp's picture

January 06, 2023 at 07:50 am

I got the Lass word!?

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LambeauPlain's picture

January 06, 2023 at 07:55 am

Had....

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pantz_bURp's picture

January 06, 2023 at 07:58 am

You...are Good! L-Plain...I will be BACK to take what is rightfully MINE! :D

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T7Steve's picture

January 06, 2023 at 07:55 am

Don't think that the Rams have nothing to play for. Any time you can spoil a division foe's season there's something to play for.

Same with Detroit.

As '61 posted above, "Rodgers has nothing to prove". I wouldn't be surprised if he surprises us by being a game manager that can still make unreal throws to receivers that no one else can (or very few).

As LeatherHead suggested yesterday, I'm going to try to enjoy what may be the last game in GB of a truly generational talent. We've been so lucky (regardless of playoffs). We're spoiled. Look at the 70s and 80s or the rest of the NFC North teams, if you don't think so.

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pantz_bURp's picture

January 06, 2023 at 08:21 am

I did it...the Lass word! 👏

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mrtundra's picture

January 06, 2023 at 08:44 am

Every season, the team I fear the most, in the NFC North, is the Lions. No matter what the records say, they always play us tough. Sunday will be no exception. If they get eliminated due to Seattle beating the Rams, I think they will not cave in and will really make the Packers earn a victory, if they do not beat us, out right. I think the Lions will be our biggest competition for the NFC North crown, for the foreseeable future. I see the vikings floundering and tripping over their own feet, taking a back seat to being a relevant part of the NFC North. Chicago needs to get Justin Fields some protection. It's almost criminal to watch his career get shortened with each sack he takes. Last week, Fields was injured and had a hard time running, resulting in him passing the ball 90% of the time, in the second half.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

January 06, 2023 at 09:31 am

The Lions have been stock piling really high draft choices for a long time and of late because of trades multiple. They have a very intense coach that motivates them to play with intensity. Sunday night unlike what many seem to think the Packers are in for a real fight regardless of whether Detroit knows before the game about Seattle.

As far as Detroit with their 1st draft choice in 2013 they finally will get their franchise QB. They will be very tough in future years IMO.

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T7Steve's picture

January 06, 2023 at 09:49 am

Just think if they'd had the good management before. What a waste of some stars.

There've been a few blow outs but actually, it seems the Lions have always played the Packers tough. Now tougher.

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barutanseijin's picture

January 06, 2023 at 03:03 pm

They had the #3 pick in 2002 and took Joey Harrington. OK so he was terrible, but Matthew Stafford (#1 pick in 2009 is not and the Lions still did not get to the Super Bowl. Dan Campbell reminds me of Harbaugh, a guy whose schtick gets old in the pros.

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 06, 2023 at 03:19 pm

The final game @ Lambeau, 2010. Bear Fans crawling and stumbling to the can every five minutes because they wear tennis shoes and a summer jean jacket in freezing temps, drinking swill brau. Up and down, letting those fools pass every 5 minutes--annoying. Another must win game, or the Pack doesn't make the Playoffs. The Bears had the Central, but Lovie brought everything. Walden with a great performance and Dom cobbled together the D. The momentum carried to the SB. Play to Win. The Lions will claw to the end.

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Lphill's picture

January 06, 2023 at 08:45 am

just wondering if Rodgers carries this team to the super bowl, improbable but possible ,will all the Rodgers haters leave this site never to return? probably not they will find something else to bitch and moan about.

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pantz_bURp's picture

January 06, 2023 at 08:53 am

Lp, please don't antagonize hate....spread Love.

Give it a try....

"You will miss 100% of the shots you don't take"...or something like that.

Letz try the Winter of Love (not unlike the Summer of Love in 1967)

Peace out ✌️

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

January 06, 2023 at 09:04 am

And when he chokes again, will you Rodgers cultists accept that weve been right about him or will you just find more excuses to absolve him from any blame? You guys act like we just up and decided to hate the guy for no reason like he doesnt have a career full of playoff choke jobs and douchbag behavior. Take the blinders off and look around. This team is winning despite Rodgers, not because of him.

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barutanseijin's picture

January 06, 2023 at 09:54 am

RtS, you know the Rodgers fanboys will be here with excuses, deflections and scapegoats if and when the Packers lose.

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barutanseijin's picture

January 06, 2023 at 09:44 am

Rodgers hasnt carried the team all year. He’s not going to start carrying them now.

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Oppy's picture

January 07, 2023 at 09:17 am

Lphill, you just don't get it.

This is a Packers fan site, not an Aaron Rodgers fan site.

My disdain for all the negatives Aaron Rodgers brings to this team does not mean I'm not a Packers fan. Quite the opposite.

I understand Rodgers is the toxic past, and the longer we hold on to him, the longer it is before we find the future.

I'm more interested in seeing the Packers organization set up to win for the next 10-15 years than desperately trying to grab one more winning season with a QB who only cares about his own legacy and won't be playing in another 3 years.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

January 07, 2023 at 11:07 am

Well said Oppy!

"This a Packers fan site, not an Aaron Rodgers fan site".

I find it so interesting that should someone objectively question Rodgers performance, behavior, or whether the team might be better off with Jordan Love one automatically isn't a Green Bay Packer fan.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 07, 2023 at 10:46 pm

Not just Rodgers haters.

Gutekunst haters. Murphy haters. LaFleur haters. Barry haters.

I try to look through the wide lens, and we're about to make the playoffs for the 4th time in 4 years. That's not insignificant. Rodgers has won the MVP two of those years. Not insignificant. We've developed a guy behind him. Not insignificant. We've put a lot of good pieces on the board . Not insignificant.

I think we'll make the playoffs, and lose at some point and then we'll get started on next year. I think it'll be without Rodgers, because they didn't draft and develop Love for 3 years to NOT play him. He'll play. Rodgers will retire or be traded. I think we'll trade Jones. Bakhtiari will stay, along with Jenkins and Nijman and the rest. Watson and Doubs and Toure will return, and probably Lazard, too.

I can't complain about making the playoffs. 100% of Super Bowl winners, and losers, have made the playoffs.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

January 06, 2023 at 09:00 am

Rodgers made himself look bad. Lions didnt do anything. It shouldve been a Packers blowout. Instead, Rodgers singlehandedly cost them 24 points and the game. The 1st int was on an rpo play that Dillon wouldve walked into the end zone. 2nd int Bakh was wide open but Rodgers pissed his pants and threw a duck right to the defense. 3rd int was a forced pass into double coverage on 1st down. And he badly missed Toure on what wouldve been an easy td. All unforced errors.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 06, 2023 at 12:01 pm

I think it was his worst game of the season, but not any worse than he played in the playoffs last year.

He's not the guy he was at 27. He runs with short, choppy steps now. He leans back and lobs the ball more often than he steps up and throws a hard strike. He's relying on guile, which isn't a bad thing, but when the guile quits working it's over. There's nothing after that. We're there.

From a purely 1000% on the field view, I can see how the decision to go with Rodgers this year instead of Love made sense. He was the returning MVP. But he's not anymore, and I think people can see that, and I'm pretty sure Love will be our QB next season.

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pantz_bURp's picture

January 06, 2023 at 09:08 am

Excuse me sir, which way to the beach?

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pantz_bURp's picture

January 06, 2023 at 10:32 am

Excuse me, excuse me...do you have any more Grey Poupon? Yes, yes I do, have a coupon for Grey Poupon....

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Booner's picture

January 06, 2023 at 11:40 am

Cmon Man! Let's play some football. Go out and do your job!

GO PACK GO!

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pantz_bURp's picture

January 06, 2023 at 04:43 pm

cLASSy sWORDfish?

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pantz_bURp's picture

January 06, 2023 at 09:31 pm

fibergLASS passWORD?

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DragonSilk's picture

January 07, 2023 at 11:02 am

If Rodgers was the answer to why we lost that embarrassing game, he shares top billing with LaFleur. Just look at some of the things in the article. Yes, he made a bunch of terrible throws, but why was he the leading rusher against a terrible run defense? I realize we don't know what the original call was or if it was changed by AR. Still we should have been hammering the run from the opening play to the last play. It does seem that the HC has FINALLY learned that which is the reason for the winning streak.
Joe Barry should be given an honorable mention for the loss also. It took him until week 17 to learn that he can move Jaire around to cover the opponent's best receiver, like he did last week.
If LaFleur and Barry don't go back to their boneheaded ways and Rodgers plays like himself, we will be on our way to the playoffs. If not, focus will turn to the draft and mini-camps. Ugh! I'm not ready for that yet!

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Fubared's picture

January 08, 2023 at 10:54 am

Just like a zebra doesnt change its stripes, Rodgers isnt going to drop back and fling the ball. He will survey the field and eat the ball if no one is wide open. This has been his M O for his lifetime.

I blame him directly for the three playoff loses. He played not to lose rather then boldly trying to win. He played safe so as no one was going to be blaming him for the loss. All but two passes to Adams last year? That's chicken shit and everyone knows it.

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Johnblood27's picture

January 09, 2023 at 08:25 pm

Well Mr Lass, it seems as if ACR DID have something to prove, and in my estimation he DID prove it.

It is time for a nice gold watch and a comfortable rocking chair.

GENE WATSON
"Turn Out The Lights (The Party's Over)"
(Willie Nelson and Hank Craig)
[Originally recorded by Willie Nelson]

[Chorus:]
Turn out the lights the party's over
They say that all good things must end
Call it a night the party's over
And tomorrow starts the same old thing again

What a crazy crazy party never seen so many people
Laughing dancing look at you you're having fun
Look at me I'm almost crying but that don't keep her love from dying
Misery calls for me the party's over

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