The Lass Word: Let's Make Lambeau Great Again

Pack's home field advantage not what it used to be.

During a span of sixty-five years, beginning in 1936, the Green Bay Packers never lost a home playoff game at City Stadium, which was rebuilt in 1956, and renamed Lambeau Field in 1965.    ESPN sports anchor Chris Berman took to referring to the venue as “the frozen tundra”, and the nickname stuck. 

Any playoff game the Packers hosted at Lambeau was considered a sure victory.  Nobody wanted to come up in the cold and play the Pack in January.  That was especially true of the warm weather teams from the south and the west.  Lambeau was the most feared home field advantage in all of pro football, perhaps in all of sports. 

The mystique ended in 2002 when quarterback Michael Vick and the Atlanta Falcons came to Lambeau and thoroughly whipped the Packers 27-7 in the wild card round.  Since then, Green Bay has gone just 7-7 in the post season on their home turf.  The last two defeats were particularly disheartening because, in both cases, the general consensus was the Packers had the better team.  Following the 2020 season, Tom Brady and the Tampa Bay Bucs made the cross country trip to northeastern Wisconsin and beat the Packers 31-26 in the NFC championship game.  After the 2021 season, the San Francisco 49ers knocked the green and gold out of the playoffs at Lambeau with a 13-10 upset. 

Green Bay went 7-1 at home during the 2019 and 2020 seasons.  In 2021 they were a perfect 8-0 in the friendly confines.  But this past season, the home record slipped to 5-3.  That doesn’t include the loss to the New York Giants, which was a home game but was played in London.   

It’s not like Green Bay lost those games to top of the league juggernauts.  They were beaten at home by the Jets, the Titans and the Lions.  None of those teams made the playoffs.  The Jets and Titans actually finished with worse records than the Packers.  The Lions game was, in effect, a playoff game, and represented yet another failure in the clutch in front of the home crowd. 

What has happened to Green Bay’s home field advantage?  We all have our own theories.  Here’s mine.  I believe the decline was inevitable considering the game’s continuing emphasis on the pass.  The NFL wants wide open, high scoring games, with big, exciting pass plays.  They have made it harder to defend the pass with numerous rule changes protecting quarterbacks and receivers.   

Understanding this, the Green Bay front office and coaching staff have tried to gradually assemble a dynamic offense emphasizing speed and athleticism.  And for the most part, they’ve been successful.  Last year notwithstanding, the Packers have had one of the most dynamic offenses in the league in recent seasons.  There was also a sense of not wasting the career of a Hall of Fame caliber passer.  Yes, the Packers have two good running backs, but the team has never seemed to commit to winning by running the ball.  Like most other teams, they run to set up the pass. 

However, that brand of team often comes at the expense of physicality and toughness, qualities that really become necessary when the weather turns cold.  How many times have you heard the Packers accused of being “soft” in recent years?  How many games has it seemed as though they are getting pushed around by opponents that are not as talented as them?  In short, Green Bay, which plays in the coldest venue in the NFL, may have built a team that is ill-suited for cold weather.  

And then there are the fans.  I am only going by the audio that I hear on my television, which can be deceptive.  You readers who have actually attended games at Lambeau recently can correct me if I’m off base.  But it seems to me that the amplitude of the cheering when an opponent does something positive is getting louder and louder.  I’ve even heard substantial noise from opposing fans when Green Bay lines up to call signals on offense.  This seems to indicate the number of enemy fans in the stadium has significantly increased.   

We’ve all seen Matt LaFleur flapping his arms like a wounded condor on the sideline, trying to elicit more noise from the home crowd.  Frankly, it’s kind of embarrassing that our own coach feels he has to do that.  I know from covering the team home and away for four years, that It’s always been a kind of unspoken sentiment among players and coaches that Packer fans aren’t as loud as fans in some other venues, particularly the Milwaukee crowd.   

Part of that has nothing to do with team spirit. For one thing, I also know from experience that it’s not easy to scream and shout when temperatures are below freezing, your face is numb, and you’re wearing parkas and gloves.  And  I empathize with fans who are dealing with the rising cost of season tickets.  I get that they need to sell some of the games off to be able to afford the package.  I don’t know how much control the fan has over whom those seats get sold to.  But it would probably help if they weren’t sold to opposing team supporters.  

Really though, I’m not sure how much crowd noise actually affects a game.  It’s probably overrated.  The Packers just need to find a way to reestablish Lambeau Field as their property.  Holding serve at home this coming season will be critical to their success.  In addition to their NFC North rivals, Green Bay plays the Saints, Rams, Chargers, Chiefs and Bucs at home.  To stay in playoff contention, they likely can’t afford to lose more than one of those games. 

The frozen tundra must rise again.  Something tells me that it will. 

 

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Ken Lass is a former Green Bay television sports anchor and 43 year media veteran, a lifelong Packers fan, and a shareholder.

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NickPerry's picture

June 19, 2023 at 07:03 am

Well the Packers are supposed to be a team that SHOULD win in Lambeau in January. I mean they have two excellent RB's, the best left side of an offensive line in the NFL, and at least the makings of a competent overall O-Line.

I remember that game against Vick... UGH!!! It was a game I just couldn't believe they lost. Not with Brett Favre. Not when it was 35 degrees or colder. It just DIDN'T happen. But it did and it's been happening ever since, at least more than it did before that 2002 game.

Gute has assembled a team LOADED with speed at the Offensive skill position players. Even the two new TEs are considered fast, fast, FAST. They also have a defense that is LOADED with speed. Perhaps Barry can stay out of the way long enough to allow that defense to showcase that speed.

Lets get the team IN the playoffs and winning again. THEN I'll worry about the "Lambeau Mystique".

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TKWorldWide's picture

June 19, 2023 at 07:41 am

Vick made it look easy.
God, I hated that!

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greengold's picture

June 19, 2023 at 08:00 am

It was a sickening feeling watching that loss at home. I’ll never forget it. Almost as bad as losing to Denver in SB XXXII. Favre following up that loss to ATL with 4 picks at home in the playoffs against MIN followed by more opportunity thrown away at home with 2 more INTs v. NYG... ugh.

That cemented an ending of a kind with regards to HFA at Lambeau for the Packers, never really recapturing that at Lambeau like we knew under Holmgren. Hoping we take a very serious jackhammer to that this season to start the new era in Green Bay.

The ONLY MECHANICAL THING I WOULD CHANGE:
As a season ticket holder, I'd LOVE for the Green Bay Packers to ditch that stupid, "Fiiirrrst Downnn!" recording, after every goddam one of them! If it's not a recording, it sure as hell sounds as cheap as one. Act like you've been there before! This isn't the fucking Price Is Right! This is football, not Marketing 101, nor a game show.

Sorry, needed to vent that for years, and those words ring in my head constantly whenever I hear "Home Field Advantage." MAKE IT ABOUT FOOTBALL, Packers! Enough with that canned BS at HOME!!! Lambeau IS the standard, the genuine article. Respect that, and treat it as such, Packers Front Office. Lambeau is a shrine. If we don't respect it, no one will.

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mnbadger's picture

June 19, 2023 at 12:27 pm

". . . ditch that stupid, "Fiiirrrst Downnn!" recording!"
thank you GG! I couldn't have stated it as politely as you did.
It's childish for HS teams, more so for college teams (are you listening Bucky?) and embarrassing at best for the premier NFL franchise.
GPG!

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greengold's picture

June 19, 2023 at 12:52 pm

Seriously! God Bless America! The stupidity of that is off the charts.

Mark Murphy needs to shit can that ASAP. It's ridiculous. If they want to make any changes to help HFA, getting rid of stupid shit like that would be helpful. I've often felt that it must be completely mind numbingly annoying for the players.

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Coach Cleve Steamer's picture

June 19, 2023 at 12:35 pm

Those packers were soft. No fight in them after a few punches. Nowadays it’s pure ego and what’s in infor me? $$

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GregC's picture

June 19, 2023 at 07:20 am

I suspect this is part of a league-wide phenomenon, although I don't know if anyone has crunched the numbers in a meaningful way. I did some searching and saw that the 3-point home field advantage for betting purposes has now shrunk to about 1.5 to 2 points.

But I think where home-field advantage has really diminished is in the playoffs. Of course the home teams still win most playoff games because they have earned home field by having a better record. But in a playoff game, both teams are equally determined to win, so the home team loses the advantage they get during the regular season, when they want to "hold serve" and put on a good showing for their home fans. I think that NFL teams have probably improved their ability to travel and to make their players comfortable on the road. It's just good business sense.

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Coach Cleve Steamer's picture

June 19, 2023 at 12:38 pm

Pay $200 for a ticket. $12 for a beer, and they expect me to cheer! WTF man! Lambeau ought to have some proper seats. What’s with a number on an a sheet aluminum instead of an actual seat. Geez.

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T7Steve's picture

June 19, 2023 at 01:22 pm

They're trying to toughen you up. Should'a aimed it at the athletes.

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Coach Cleve Steamer's picture

June 19, 2023 at 04:16 pm

Good one!

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Handsback's picture

June 19, 2023 at 07:27 am

Unfortunately soft teams seem to falter in the playoffs. Its not just the offense but also the defense that gathered the soft title after the Jets game. There are teams that have that tuff persona like Steelers, 49ers, and teams where the coach is empathizing toughness like the Jets. What I don't see or know if the Packers are on that list.
Just MHO

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TKWorldWide's picture

June 19, 2023 at 07:42 am

Easy to look soft when you lose.

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Leatherhead's picture

June 19, 2023 at 01:08 pm

""""soft teams seem to falter in the playoffs. """"

So how many "soft" teams are in the NFL, according to you? 5? 10?

Considering only the top 14 make the playoffs, are there more than 18 soft teams? More than half the league is soft? And then add in some of the soft teams who made the playoffs, only to falter. Are there somewhere between 22 and 31 soft teams in the league?

If we win the division, is it because the Bears, Lions, and Vikings are all soft?

I don't think so. I think that making the playoffs, and advancing, depends on quite a few things other than you relative level of softness, or whatever.

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greengold's picture

June 19, 2023 at 07:31 am

There’s only one magic formula for recapturing the Home Field advantage we once enjoyed at Lambeau Field: winning.

I think this Packers team assembled stands a better chance of winning games, both on the road and at home, than many over recent years.

THREE 1st Round picks added to a defense in desperate need of quality upgrades & depth in the last 2 years in Walker, Wyatt & Van Ness.

Along with that, a TON of firepower added at WR & TE in that same span. WesHod at packersdotcom shared these comments from Jordan Love:

"We have running backs that can catch the ball out of the backfield, run routes, things like that. We added a couple of really fast tight ends, so just being able to stretch the field with them. And then obviously we have some really fast receivers, too," Love said.

"I don't think we have that one player that right now is like, 'Oh, this is who we have to go to with the ball' and throw the ball to on third down, so defenses might not know who to focus on, on third downs. I think that all ties in and will help us out."

That amount of firepower on O, from literally every skill position could spell a lot of scoring, and along with that WINNING, away & at home.

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TKWorldWide's picture

June 19, 2023 at 07:43 am

Agree: winning cures all ailments.

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greengold's picture

June 19, 2023 at 07:50 am

Football is fun. Winning football? OMG!!!

The Packers have done what looks like a very nice job of positioning themselves to win a lot of games in 2023.

Super dynamic players in all 3 phases.

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HawkPacker's picture

June 19, 2023 at 05:01 pm

I agree GG. We all just have to be a bit patient on their development. Some will develop faster than others and it will be fun to watch that development.

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mrtundra's picture

June 19, 2023 at 07:32 am

A winning record begins with winning in Lambeau. We need to have opposing teams fear coming to GB to play a game, again. Remember when the Tampa Bay Bucs were in the NFC Central with us, the Bears, Lions and vikings? Those games in Lambeau had that warm weather team huddled together near the tunnel because they were cold.. Ron Hallstrom played those games in short sleeves. He psyched out the Bucs, that game! We have the best home field advantage, in sports, on our frozen tundra--especially late in December and into January. Win in Lambeau and then sweep the North and we should make the playoffs, again. No sweat! GO PACK, GO!!!

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TKWorldWide's picture

June 19, 2023 at 07:45 am

Very ugly to think about, but:
Did officiating play a bigger part years ago?

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HarryHodag's picture

June 19, 2023 at 07:55 am

Officiating has always been a matter of contention. I don't think it's really relevant to this issue.

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TKWorldWide's picture

June 19, 2023 at 09:08 am

Maybe not, but!
Aren’t officials carefully evaluated these days? I doubt it was always like that.
However, I’m ASKING, not accusing.

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Johnblood27's picture

June 19, 2023 at 08:17 am

No way.

Officiating has become the lap dog of the Goodellite NFL FO.

Games are mandated to be kept close to hold TV viewers and ratings to keep revenues on the rise.

You just NEVER see a team go up by 3 scores anymore.

Some can point to parity, I point to fortuitous holding calls on the leading teams offense and non-PI calls on the trailing teams defense used by the on-field officials to keep games close.

I was born at night, but not LAST NIGHT! It is obvious to see if you just walk away for a couple weeks and then come back.

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TKWorldWide's picture

June 19, 2023 at 09:12 am

If a defender hits Brady after he releases the pass, he is more likely to be called for roughing than if he’d hit…Blair Kiel…with the exact same timing. That is something I DO believe, and it’s one of the reasons I haven’t followed the NBA like I used to, where “earning” calls is a real thing.

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Johnblood27's picture

June 19, 2023 at 09:58 am

There's no gambling at Bushwood!

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Leatherhead's picture

June 19, 2023 at 01:12 pm

Do you remember, early in the season one year, that if Clay Matthews even looked at a QB cross-eyed he got called for roughing? I remember some ludicrous calls changing the outcome of games. (not as bad as the Fail Mary, but bad).

Once Upon A Time a man named Charles Martin didn't think the officials were protecting the QB even-handedly, so he rectified the situation.

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mnbadger's picture

June 20, 2023 at 10:29 pm

I love your definition of rectified. I also love the visual of C Martin "trying to block" McMahon.
GPG!

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marpag1's picture

June 19, 2023 at 01:10 pm

"Officiating has become the lap dog of the Goodellite NFL FO. Games are mandated to be kept close to hold TV viewers and ratings to keep revenues on the rise. You just NEVER see a team go up by 3 scores anymore."

Average margin of victory in the NFL has been virtually unchanged for 4 decades. Maybe you're not seeing what you think you're seeing.

Here's the average margin of victory for the past 40 years. Where are you noting the big difference? Or maybe it's just THE PACKERS who aren't blowing teams out anymore?

2022 9.8
2021 12.1
2020 11.1
2019 11.7
2018 11
2017 11.7
2016 10.5
2015 11.1
2014 12.7
2013 11.3
2012 12.1
2011 12.1
2010 11.7
2009 13.1
2008 12.2
2007 12.3
2006 11.3
2005 11.8
2004 11.4
2003 11.8
2002 11.4
2001 11.1
2000 12.1
1999 11.4
1998 11.5
1997 11.3
1996 11.7
1995 10.9
1994 10.6
1993 11.5
1992 12.7
1991 11.5
1990 12.3
1989 11.7
1988 11.3
1987 12.1
1986 12.1
1985 12.7
1984 12.4
1983 11.6

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Leatherhead's picture

June 19, 2023 at 01:18 pm

Well, offhand, I'd note that 2022 had the lowest margin of victory in 40 years, maybe longer..

And a decline from 2021, which was 12.1, to only 9.8, is about a 20% decline in one year. If your paychecks, or your weight, or your dick shrank by 20%, you'd think that was a big difference.

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marpag1's picture

June 19, 2023 at 01:28 pm

Yes, and if your brain cells dropped from 12.1 to 9.8 the difference would not even be noticeable.

Hey, if you're dropping dick jokes, it's all fair game.

You really think that Rodger is instructing NFL refs in an effort to manipulate margins of victory, in most years by some fractions of a point? Seriously? And the commish who presided over that "huge" point differential in 2021, that was Rodger, too, right? And with 40 years of data at hand, you want to extrapolate everything from the last two?

Rodger took over in 2006. The average margin of victory in those 17 years is 11.64. In the 17 years prior to Goodell, the average margin was 11.57.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

June 19, 2023 at 08:00 am

Now what Packers fan doesn't just love that term "Frozen Tundra".

For purists who will say "Tundra is frozen and so frozen is a deadhead word and is wrong, it may remind them of old Yogi Berra who was famous for his use of words and the phrase "It's deja vu all over again."

Ken, from my perspective, I always considered a trip to Lambeau Field and Lambeau Field itself as great and can't imagine using any other words to describe it. It's a long trip from California to Lambeau, but I make it as often as I can.

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10ve 💚's picture

June 19, 2023 at 08:48 am

Well, you drive a Ferrari, so that trip from California to Lambeau should not take too long 😁

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

June 19, 2023 at 10:08 am

🎶 My Mazerrati does 185 🎶

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T7Steve's picture

June 19, 2023 at 02:18 pm

Wait till you get it out of second gear!

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Johnblood27's picture

June 19, 2023 at 04:38 pm

I can't complain but sometimes I still do

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

June 19, 2023 at 04:11 pm

I'm on a first name basis with four of the California Highway Patrolmen who work in this area and now play golf, on occasion, with two of them. It helps to get along with those guys.

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HarryHodag's picture

June 19, 2023 at 08:06 am

I noticed there was very little talk in the article about defense. THAT my friends is what I call the core issue here.
The author is correct in saying the league has emphasized the pass. The Packers have had outstanding offenses for the past three decades. But save for a couple of years(the last Super Bowl win as an example) the Packers defense has been mediocre.
If you notice the teams that have beaten the Packers, most of them have outstanding defenses, or at least enough defense to hold Favre/Rodgers in check. The Packers had less success against those teams on defense.

The 49'ers are a great example. They came to Green Bay in January and, no pun intended, stopped the Packers offense cold. They knew if they generated even a small amount of offense the Packers likely would eventually crumble on defense.

While scoring points is important, it's more important you stop the other team from scoring. That is why Joe Barry's Swiss cheese defense is so frustrating. He has the talent, yet they seem passive and don't assert their collective will very often. Modern fans think all you need is to be able to score 30+ points a game and that means you win. Wrong. If you want to see the real culprit in the Packers lack of success at home, look of the defensive side of the ball.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

June 19, 2023 at 10:14 am

We have bacon formation and swiss cheese defense, lol. Sounds like the makings of a good sammich

Maybe the practices at Nitschke field will impart some toughness?

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13below's picture

June 19, 2023 at 12:50 pm

I don't disagree about the need for better defense, and it has crumbled too often. But the 49ers game wasn't one of those times - special teams crumbled (blocked field goal attempt, blocked punt returned for a touchdown). The offense largely crumbled, especially going 3-and-out after the blocked punt touchdown, giving the 49ers the opportunity for a winning field goal. Pack should have won 16-3.

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Leatherhead's picture

June 19, 2023 at 02:50 pm

'''''While scoring points is important, it's more important you stop the other team from scoring. That is why Joe Barry's Swiss cheese defense is so frustrating.""""

OK Hodag. The Swiss Cheese defense gave up fewer points than half the teams in the league, including the Super Bowl Champion Chiefs.

"""""The 49'ers are a great example. They came to Green Bay in January and, no pun intended, stopped the Packers offense cold.'''''''

Come on amigo. The Packers offense had a historically bad day, and only scored 10 points. In their 100 year history, they've only scored fewer points in a playoff game a couple of times out of 65 playoff games. The 49ers offense didn't score a single point, so if that constitutes a "crumbling" defense, we'll have to disagree.

In our last two season ending games, the Packer defense has played very well, and the offense has played very poorly. That's what it was. 16 points, at home, against the Lions, with your entire starting lineup available, in a MUST WIN GAME?@?@?@ That would be horrible just as it is, but then for the Lions to have the league's worst defense? For the second time that season? YMBFKM

Seriously, do the research. Look at the Top 4 offensive teams in each conference. Look at how often they make the playoffs. See if they advance. See if the eventual Super Bowl winner wasn't in that group.

You have to score points because you can't rely on 10-6 wins because things happen like onside kicks, fake punts, and blocked punts. If you're scoring 25 or 30, you can absorb that....maybe.

You get 11 possessions. How many of those should result in points?

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TKWorldWide's picture

June 19, 2023 at 04:17 pm

Um…11? 😉

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Since'61's picture

June 19, 2023 at 07:10 pm

Cookie! Thanks, Since '61

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TKWorldWide's picture

June 20, 2023 at 11:40 am

Thank you!

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

June 20, 2023 at 01:50 am

LH, that's how I remember it. It felt as big as losing to Seattle in the NFC Championship game, 2014?

Out of 11 possessions, we should reasonably score a TD 8x. 56 points / game avg 😎

Are ya with me? GPG!

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RCPackerFan's picture

June 19, 2023 at 08:10 am

"Let's Make Lambeau Great Again"

When was it ever not great?

But yes to go with the article, there has been a bit of a change as far as the atmosphere. I have seen many times the last couple of years people basically begging fans to not sell their tickets to rivals.
Obviously costs of tickets and what the owners can get back with selling them for a couple of games can make a huge difference.

"I’m not sure how much crowd noise actually affects a game."
It can have a big impact especially when the home team gains momentum in the game. You can just feel the energy going through the stadium in those moments. You can see that on tv too.

Something that may help the future of the frozen tundra is the youth and speed that they are about to put onto the field. Look at the players they have brought in the last couple of years. We are talking about Walker, Wyatt, Watson, Doubs, Van Ness, Reed, Musgrave, Wooden. That is a lot of youth and speed added to the position groups. The more speed our entire team possesses, the better our team will be, and the better our homefield advantage will become.

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beerandbrats's picture

June 19, 2023 at 08:16 am

Protecting the frozen tundra is a mindset that must be emphasized by the coaching staff beginning on day one. Losing at Lambeau field in January is simply not an option.

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Johnblood27's picture

June 19, 2023 at 08:24 am

Mindset needs to be drilled into the team from the first day of TC.

but...

The key to winning at home in GB WI will always be IN THE TRENCHES!!!

The lines need to be able to impose their collective wills on both offense and defense in terms of RUNNIING THE ROCK when we want to and STOPPING THE RUN and RUSHING THE PASSER RELENTLESSLY when the game is on the line.

TRENCH WARFARE is what carries the day in late season and playoff games. Speed becomes less important on outdoor fields as the weather turns cold.

That is the GB Packer conundrum. To build a team that can dominate in Lambeau in late season and playoff games you seemingly sacrifice the type of team it takes to win early on and in warm weather sites where it is simply basketball on grass (or turf) due to the rule and scheme changes in the NFL over the years. Football is still football and games can be won by being more physical than your opponent, but that type of win is less likely in warm or controlled climates when the opponent has faster more skilled players handling the ball.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

June 19, 2023 at 10:25 am

So have two different strings, your fast light guys and your YAC machines. We've got that now! Light and fast are #33, Christian Watson, Luke Musgrave. With the exception that #33 is proven in the post season.

Heavy artillery is Quadzilla, Tucker Kraft, and some tougher WRs which might even include Simore Torre (sp?) this year. Linemen should not change, but depth sure is needed. DBs might change accordingly, too.

This would be part of coaching scheme / strategy and I sure hope they're thinking about this. It's not even in game adjustment because you can prepare for this a week ahead of time.

It's like changing to snow tires where they deliberately never plow all the snow off.

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croatpackfan's picture

June 19, 2023 at 08:33 am

"Make Lambeau Great Again"

I'm not in your political issue in US, but I just have to say that I hope this wish will not end up as "Make America Great Again" slogan.

Yes, football change dramtaically in the past decade, as weather do. I believe that we will see less and less frozen tundra during winter, more mud and lot of rain.

Also, as older you become, you are less resistant on cold and that might be the reason why some team full of young players dominated Packers last few seasons on frozen tundra...

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Lphill's picture

June 19, 2023 at 09:13 am

Packer fans at Lambeau have something to do with this , they shouldn't have to be told to get loud by the scoreboard or players and coaches on the sidelines, my first game at Lambeau was Packers Bears, I was shocked at how passive fans were even on big plays not standing up and getting loud cheering, this was totally unexpected , some seemed disinterested in the game itself.

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jannes bjornson's picture

June 19, 2023 at 10:54 am

No doubt, the Fans are soft. Thor will not attend games any longer. Not when he's texted out of the building for demonstrating old school fervor. Too many opposing teams jerseys dotting the landscape, taking seats where the north tunnel was removed. Where the Champions entered the field of play. It has been watered-down since the remodel in the sherman era.

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Oppy's picture

June 19, 2023 at 11:03 pm

Too many old folks in the stands. End of story.

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stockholder's picture

June 19, 2023 at 10:29 am

If you can accept losing, you can't win.
When Love was taken. You accepted Losing.
When you don't have a DL
The only way to a good Defense is to "buy it”
Cap hell - Never helped a teams fighting ability.
The 12th man was never over-rated.

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TKWorldWide's picture

June 19, 2023 at 04:20 pm

“When Love was taken. You accepted Losing.”

What in the wide, wide world of sports are you talking about?

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Oppy's picture

June 19, 2023 at 11:03 pm

He's a bonafide twat. I don't know what else to say.

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TKWorldWide's picture

June 20, 2023 at 11:40 am

Point taken.
In addition, Love cannot be taken. It can only be given freely from the heart.

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Gary Fritzmeier's picture

June 19, 2023 at 10:30 am

I have the Gold Package tickets and am embarrassed when I look around see the number of opponents fans. Didn't used to be like that but has been in recent years. No way I could sell my tickets to anyone other than a Packer fan.

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jont's picture

June 19, 2023 at 11:19 am

"No way I could sell my tickets"

God bless you, Fritz, but others are selling. They're valuable; could be a key reason nobody gives up their season tickets.

I read somewhere the average NFL ticket is about $300. A once in a lifetime trip to Lambeau is certainly worth that plus travel expenses to lots of people.

The price of success? Used to be you could get a ticket cheap from a buddy at Fort Howard or in the parking lot. Those days are gone, and folks are willing to make a few bucks reselling tikcets.

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Leatherhead's picture

June 19, 2023 at 10:30 am

'''''They were beaten at home by the Jets, the Titans and the Lions. '''''

Yes. On target. And in those games, we scored 17, 16, and 10 points. This is in addition to road losses where we scored 7, 9, and 17. We also had a win where we only scored 14.

For all the angst and recriminations, the fundamental problem with the 2022 season is that our offense had trouble scoring points. Maybe you remember just a few years ago when we scored 30 with regularity, but last year we only hit 30 three times and one of those required an overtime.

Day Two of the draft: Musgrave, Reed, Kraft. And of course, a new QB. I've been predicting for a while that we're going to be better on offense this year, and I consistently get a couple of downvotes for saying it. It'd be nice if somebody actually wrote a few sentences to explain what they mean, but I don't think that'll happen.

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T7Steve's picture

June 19, 2023 at 11:41 am

They never write why. Some I might have argued with so they just thumb me for thumbs sake. I always thumb up because I like discussion especially with people I disagree with. That's how I learn (at least a little) the few times I've been wrong. LOL

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HawkPacker's picture

June 19, 2023 at 05:46 pm

They are chickensh*ts. Plain and simple! Which they are as well.

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greengold's picture

June 19, 2023 at 12:15 pm

Just an FYI, our club meeting has been moved to Thursday at 7pm.

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HawkPacker's picture

June 19, 2023 at 05:47 pm

I forget where GG, can you help me with that?

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Heyward's picture

June 19, 2023 at 01:02 pm

I expect the offense to really struggle next season. Surrounding Love with nothing but rookie and first-year receivers is a recipe for disaster. Rodgers had his ups and downs in his first season as a starter, and he was surrounded by much more proven talent.

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T7Steve's picture

June 19, 2023 at 01:08 pm

It's a different NFL now. Players are coming out of school more ready and are being coached up much sooner now because of necessity. Back then 3 contracts was the norm for good skill guys. Lucky if they last 2 now.

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Leatherhead's picture

June 19, 2023 at 01:36 pm

Heyward, thanks for this.

I look at the offense which has veteran, proven offensive linemen. There's no reason they should struggle. Jones and Dillon are proven RBs.

I could put out a pretty long list of Day Two receivers, (which is what we mostly have) that have done well as rookies or second year guys.

Love is in his first season as a starter. The list of first round draft choices who learned behind a HOFer for 3 years is pretty short, and it includes Rodgers, who as a first year starter in 2008 had a QBR of 62.9. He also threw 28 TD passes and 13 interceptions, as opposed to the 2022 version which threw 26 TDs and 12 interceptions. His adjusted yards/attempt were 7.5, as opposed to last year at 6.8.

We scored 419 points in 2008, 5th in the league!!

Love doesn't have to be better than the 4 time MVP HOFer; he only has to be better than the guy who was here last year, or as good as that guy was his first year as a starter. And if we average over 26 ppg, like the Packers did in 2008, I'll be fine with that.

The fall from 2007 13-3 to 2008 6-10 was accompanied by a defense that decline from 291 points to 380. The offense was pretty robust.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

June 20, 2023 at 01:58 am

LH, again, I remember each of those games. It's been good analyzing what all went wrong, and maybe Joe Berry isn't the lone culprit. I'd still rather have Brian Flores but we don't. We have a hell of a lot of talent on defense, people talking about hoping for a top 10 defense? I don't see why we shouldn't be top 5

I also remember leading in points per game, red zone offense, and "gold zone." Would love to see some of that again this year!

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PhantomII's picture

June 19, 2023 at 10:46 am

In the Favre era I could see a major flaw in MM not scheming ANY WR's open...EVER. In the AR era, MM was the same at lack of scheming for WR's leading into broken plays, AR bad habits of holding the ball too long, 2 broken collar bones...exciting chunk plays. AR trust issues and ALWAYS looking for the highlight kill shot instead of just moving the chains. A weaker defense who was poorly coached and poorly game planned for active running teams QB's. Recently bottom dwelling ST, OL that are undersized and for a stretch offense that runs sideways instead of strait ahead. Bullied by stronger and higher drafted DL that is out coached by DC with a solid plan to disrupt our offense that has to use TE's to block on every down instead of running routes. ML shutting down the run game after a RB has been hurt and making our team one dimensional. QB1 had trust issues and did not always throw to open receivers not named DA in clutch times when DA was double and triple covered. SF ran our guts into the ground because our DC at the time believed stop the pass first and Gute did not have the DL personnel to stop the run, nor were the edge group practiced enough how to even set the edge against a run team. There are so many reason it just seems that GB is honestly too cheap to bring in top 3 NFL coaching staff on offense and defense and ST to build a good base for all phases. Holmgren was the last real coach we had.

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Leatherhead's picture

June 19, 2023 at 11:06 am

''''In the Favre era I could see a major flaw in MM not scheming ANY WR's open...EVER''''''

The Favre/MM era lasted two years. The first year we were 8-8. The next year we were 13-3. On Favre's final pass as a Packer, screen shots show multiple receivers open, but Favre chose to throw it to the guy who wasn't.

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PhantomII's picture

June 19, 2023 at 11:19 am

Sounds a lot like an AR move, doesn't it.

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Leatherhead's picture

June 19, 2023 at 12:06 pm

I always think that an old QB and a young HC are a bad fit. I didn't think McCarthy/Favre was going to work out, and it only lasted two years and ended poorly. I thought McCarthy/Rodgers would work, and it did pretty well right up until it didn't. I didn't think LaFleur/Rodgers was going to work out, but it lasted 4 years and included 3 division titles.

Of course I'm biased, but I like the old dog coach, like Andy Reid, and a young, veteran QB. I think that's the combo that wins. I think if you look back over the last 30 Super Bowls or so, count up all QBs who've won it after their 33rd birthday, and then subtract Brady, it's a very short list. QBs have shelf-lifes, IMO, and that "use by" date is around that 33rd birthday. After that, I think you're better off if you make a change. It's hard to let go when you know there's plenty of gas in the tank and tread on the tires, but it's not going to take you where you want to go.

I think once the starting QB has reached Legend status, that's a pretty tough hill for a young coach to climb.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

June 20, 2023 at 02:05 am

LH "I didn't think LaFleur/Rodgers was going to work out, but it lasted 4 years and included 3 division titles."

And 2 trips to the NFC Championship game! That was our peak after the 1 Lombardi with AR12. Here's hoping we can redeem that with JL10, but 5x to the championship game is not a bad career, even with a 1-4 record.

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PhantomII's picture

June 19, 2023 at 03:07 pm

And the AR era? Cherry picker.

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T7Steve's picture

June 19, 2023 at 11:53 am

"physicality and toughness"

How 'bout, "MEAN AND NASTY".

Shove the ball down their throats. Then it doesn't matter how many tickets are sold to the enemy. Used to be the only games I could get tickets for were the cold ones. Before the internet (I guess) people sold the tickets to people they knew and never got stuck with them. Do they make more money online now? If you have season tickets, it's a responsibility to make sure you sell to a Packer fan first.

Somone help me out, didn't Favre have a 25+ home winning streak at least one time?

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T7Steve's picture

June 19, 2023 at 11:53 am

Twice again.

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marpag1's picture

June 19, 2023 at 12:21 pm

"Really though, I’m not sure how much crowd noise actually affects a game. It’s probably overrated."

I would say that the whole premise of the article - that homefield is a huge deal - is almost certainly overrated.

It's not the field. It's the team. There's usually a reason teams have homefield in the playoffs, namely that they've won a crap ton of games. And if they aren't as good as their record seems to indicate (looking at you, Vikings) homefield won't mean shit.

Sorry, but there is no "mystique" - whatever the heck that is - and there are no ghosts of Vince Lombardi that mysteriously win games at Lambeau. Players on BOTH teams don't even give a crap about what happened last year, never mind what happened in 1966.

Even the weather, altitude and oxygen levels, temperature etc. has been shown to make very little difference. There are a bunch of studies that have looked into this. All of them find only a very slight correlation between home field and wins. Especially in the playoffs, teams win because they're good teams, not because they have some unfair advantage.

Also, let's not brag too much about the Packers being undefeated at Lambeau. If I say that the Packers were undefeated at Lambeau from 1968 until 1994, that sounds massively impressive... until you remember that the Packers sucked so hard they never even had a home playoff game except for ONCE during that quarter of a century. It's easy to go undefeated when you don't actually play, but it's not nearly as impressive as it sounds.

Yeah, they were gangbusters right up until 1967... and why was that? Because they were one of the greatest teams in the history of football. And oddly, they won a bunch more while Brett Favre was winning three NFL MVPs back to back to back.

I'm sensing a trend.

Yes, homefield is a real thing. But it's way, way smaller than people think.

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Leatherhead's picture

June 19, 2023 at 01:45 pm

Home field in the NFL is better than a 55% bet. Remember, a 55/45 election is called a landslide .

During the Covid overreaction of 2020, the home team was one game under .500 in the playoffs. It's the only time since the merger that the home teams have gone under 50%.

I never felt, as a player or a coach, that a screaming crowd made much difference to me, whether it was for or against. But I absolutely, positively, without any doubt at all have watched it affect officials in high school games. I think it happens in the pros, too.

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marpag1's picture

June 19, 2023 at 01:57 pm

I agree that it affects officials. I think the studies have shown that too.

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Packers0808's picture

June 19, 2023 at 12:56 pm

Lets just hope the Packers Great again is better than the USA disaster of 2016-20 Great Again avoided by our Pack!

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T7Steve's picture

June 19, 2023 at 01:31 pm

Are you referring to energy independence? That WAS a disaster.

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Packers0808's picture

June 19, 2023 at 02:15 pm

Seeing we were never energy independent yes by the way! Glad you asked.

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T7Steve's picture

June 19, 2023 at 02:20 pm

Thanks.

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T7Steve's picture

June 19, 2023 at 02:20 pm

Thanks again.

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Packers0808's picture

June 19, 2023 at 02:26 pm

You are welcome twice I suppose.

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bottlefliper's picture

June 19, 2023 at 04:28 pm

Can be worse thats for sure, as the weak orange wig run all America is all about into the ground and paying with a lot of our money for it. Way more than the cap would allow. Finaly he goes where he belongs.
AR friend would explain you how the blood brain barrier would work.....

We will be ok no matter how Love plays out....

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Heyward's picture

June 19, 2023 at 01:05 pm

The first time I went to Lambeau, I was shocked by how quiet it was. It was like a library compared to other stadiums I had visited over the years.

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LeotisHarris's picture

June 19, 2023 at 03:27 pm

"ESPN sports anchor Chris Berman took to referring to the venue as “the frozen tundra”, and the nickname stuck."

Lest we forget, Berman ripped off and channeled the late, great broadcaster and sports announcer, John Facenda, of NFL Films fame:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHc6cdPnWeo

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White92's picture

June 19, 2023 at 08:58 pm

Ever since they moved the tunnel from the north end zone, they haven't been the same. Just saying.

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