The Lass Word: Aggressive or Reckless?

For Jordan Love they are one and the same.

I’ve been hard on Jordan Love.  I’ve criticized him in these columns for being inaccurate and wildly inconsistent.  I felt as though the disparagement was justified.  After all, he held out of the first week of training camp practice in order to become equal with the highest paid quarterbacks in the league.  Once he got the bag of money, I felt as though he should have stepped back on to the field and played like the highest paid player.   

The injury in week one set him back, but judging by the effective way he has been moving out of the pocket, and even running the ball downfield on occasion, that excuse no longer feels valid.  I figured he should no longer be overthrowing wide open receivers, or holding the ball and taking sacks on his own two yard line, or throwing into double coverage and enduring interceptions.  That’s not playing up to your salary level. 

But I am rethinking my point of view.  I have begun to realize that I have been expecting him to be Aaron Rodgers.  You have to admit, it’s understandable, after watching Rodgers play the position for this team for fifteen years, winning four MVPs in the process.  To Rodgers, throwing a pick was anathema, akin to ingesting poison or breaking out in hives.  Unnecessary risk was something to be avoided at all costs.  How many times did we watch number twelve hold the ball and take backbreaking sacks, rather than heave it and take a chance.  Rodgers’ priority was protect the ball at all costs, and as a result, he will one day finish his career with one of the top, if not thee top, QB career ratings of all time. 

So I was expecting Jordan Love to play the game the same way, and I was critical when he did not.  But after last Sunday’s come from behind win over Houston, I am beginning to realize that Love is not Aaron Rodgers, and likely never will be.  His top priority is not now, nor will it ever become, taking care of the ball.  Love is a risk taker.  Or at least he is becoming one.  Against the Texans, Dontayvion Wicks ran a ten yard stop, then turned and faced the quarterback.  He had defenders on both hips.  You would be hard pressed to say he was open.  But Love decided to try to fire the ball between the defenders and fit it into the extremely small window.  It never had a chance.  The ball was intercepted and returned to the Green Bay eleven yard line, setting up an early Texans field goal. 

One quarter later, Love had the ball at the Houston fourteen yard line.  Tight end Tucker Kraft was crossing right to left in the end zone, but the weak side safety read Love’s eyes and was heading from the opposite direction to cover.  Love saw the safety, but it didn’t matter.  He unleashed a bullet over the middle that may even have grazed the fingertips of the safety, but it got past him and into the arms of a diving Kraft for the game’s first touchdown. 

I have come to the conclusion that those two plays encapsulate who Jordan Love really is, and the player he will be.  Love himself admitted to such after the game.  “Yeah, I mean it’s the NFL.  There’s not always going to be wide open guys.  There’s gonna be tight windows.  You’re gonna have to fit the ball in there sometimes.  I’m gonna keep playing.  learn and grow from those mistakes and interceptions and just keep playing.  Keep moving on.” 

Despite missing two games, Love is tied for the league lead in interceptions with eight.  The picks have pushed him well down the ladder in QB rating, ranking just seventeenth.  He is 29th in completion percentage.   

You know what?  He doesn’t care.  “That’s not gonna ever limit me,” he said confidently.  “I gotta keep going and be the best player I can be for my team, so I’m going to always be aggressive, and there’s always going to be those tight window throws.” 

Some of those tight window throws are going to be picked off.  I believe Love is destined to frequently be among the league leaders in interceptions.  You’ve probably heard comparisons to Brett Favre, which makes sense.  When he retired, Favre was the all time leader in career interceptions.  But he also has a gold, Hall of Fame jacket in his closet.   

Is the risk worth the reward?  Well, Love happens to be tied with Lamar Jackson for second in touchdown passes with fifteen, three behind league leader Baker Mayfield.  Jackson and Mayfield have played seven games.  Love has played five. 

Oh, and by the way, one of the players with whom Love is tied for most interceptions?  That would be Patrick Mahomes.  His Chiefs are 6-0.   

 

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Ken Lass is a former Green Bay television sports anchor and 43 year media veteran, a lifelong Packers fan, and a shareholder.

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Guam's picture

October 24, 2024 at 04:35 pm

With Rodgers having tutored Love for three seasons, I expected Love to at least somewhat mimic Rodgers' conservative ways. Turns out Love plays a lot more like Farve than Rodgers.

I downplayed Love's senior season in college when he had so many interceptions since he was playing with a new HC, new OC and a new O-line. Probably shouldn't have overlooked that year quite so much as Love plays to win and if that means forcing some throws into tight windows, so be it. Love seems more concerned with winning than personal statistics and certainly will take more chances than Rodgers.

And I am okay with all of it even if the picks give me heartburn on occasion.

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LLCHESTY's picture

October 25, 2024 at 03:42 pm

It's understandable. Rodgers watched Favre and thought he took too many chances, Love watched Rodgers and thought he didn't take enough. It's all part of the big circle of life.

Can you feel the Love tonight?

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Coldworld's picture

October 24, 2024 at 04:49 pm

This is getting old. Rodgers had 31 interceptions in his first three years as a starter. Mahommes actually started far more parsimoniously, but he’s gone the other way in his later years.

So after a year and a half , let’s say 16 interceptions for Rodgers while Love has 22. He also has 50 TDs, Rodgers had about 43 (no I’m not actually going to break it out by individual games and I’m ignoring the extra games).

So Love is throwing an interception about every 2.27 passing TDs. Rodgers was throwing one about every 2.68. It’s not that big a difference and Love has played with a lot less experience around him.

Yes, Love is more willing to take risks than Rodgers. Currently, with Mahommes sliding, every good QB is and has been. Moreover, the Rodgers remembered wasn’t the Rodgers at same stage of his career either.

Yes, Love needs to improve his decision making at times, but we also need to get a grip on perspective and write about something more incisive. Harsh? Yes, but when I read about those tight window throws I can’t help wondering if you actually watched Rodgers to Jennings, Driver and particularly Nelson or Adams. Threading needles was a super power that was a big part of getting him so much attention.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

October 25, 2024 at 10:48 am

Exactly! Who Love is right now won't necessarily be the Love in future seasons.

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vin0770's picture

October 24, 2024 at 05:03 pm

I get it and if they keep winning even on last possession games, I’m glad he’s ours! But at a certain point with enough experience doesn’t this formula change? It never did with Farve and we called him a gunslinger and I prefer knuckle head. And MN got to see knuckle head up close too, almost going to a superbowl.

The question is will Love be the same? My hope with Farve growing up, I hoped he’d connect enough dots that maybe he’d cut his interceptions in half and once again am hoping the same thing for Love…oh well.

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 24, 2024 at 05:35 pm

Let it rip and don't look back. This guy has the spin and the vectors on the deep outs. This cannot be taught. A bit more help from LaFleur to get his deep guys open faster. Usually a neanderthal running attack will get the single high iso shots. Love just needs time in the pocket.

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stockholder's picture

October 24, 2024 at 05:58 pm

Each interception thrown by a team
decreases its chances of winning.
So don't expect me to get use to it!
Love's job is to give this team the best chance to win!
Execution!

1.Accuracy
2. Vision.
3. Leadership
4. Arm strength
5. Pocket Presence

Stop the excuses and comparisons.

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Oppy's picture

October 24, 2024 at 06:39 pm

The good news is Love has all 5 of those items checked.

Consistency is the 6th item you missed, and it plays a part in the other five. I believe #1 could use more consistency, Love is generally a slow starter and it shows up in his accuracy.

Other than that.. Love is about as talented a QB as a franchise could want to build around. Will he achieve consistent greatness? Time will tell, but he has a greatness in him that roughly 26 other teams would give anything to have at QB, he's displayed the ability to play at long stretches with that greatness.

Packers are in a better position as an organization than they've been in since roughly 2012.

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stockholder's picture

October 24, 2024 at 08:11 pm

My point was; "Staying in Control-"
Not what you believe, or others believe.
Teams must know how to win FIRST.
KC Does. So they can take more Risks.

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LLCHESTY's picture

October 25, 2024 at 03:44 pm

I guess we can compare him to 2024 Rodgers. He's a turnover machine this year.

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Leatherhead's picture

October 24, 2024 at 06:54 pm

Doing things that end a drive without scoring a TD are not good for the team.

I think Love has a great arm, and that he rightfully has a lot of confidence in it. I'm not overly concerned about the interceptions right now because all he needs is a couple of turnover free games and his averages will balance out better. We're a good enough team that we shouldn't have to take unnecessary chances against Jacksonville.

Also, this is the best running team the Packers have had since 1970. It's been buried by other events, but we're crushing people on the ground and would have to be considered a Top 5 running team. Our next several opponents have good rushing defenses...even the Jags. I still think you score more if you pass more and run less, but I'm wondering if maybe this would be a good week to try to just run over people, like we did against the Texans.

We cannot achieve the team goals if Love is going to turn it over very much, so he and LaFleur need to fix that pronto.

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GregC's picture

October 24, 2024 at 08:03 pm

Not mentioned here is the remarkable run Love went on during the second half of last season, in which he threw only a couple of interceptions over an 8-10 game span while throwing lots of TD passes. That did not seem like a fluke to me. That's why I think he will be able to reduce the interceptions again, probably sooner rather than later, without becoming overly conservative.

He did throw a lot of picks in training camp this year, which at the time was attributed mainly to the Hafley defense, but I remember Love saying that he wanted to push the limits and see what he was capable of. Something along those lines anyway. I was not expecting him to continue doing that during the regular season, but clearly he has. I am expecting him to dial it back a little because he is capable of doing so.

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jont's picture

October 24, 2024 at 08:11 pm

Not all interceptions are the same.

Some are bad throws, some are bad QB decisions, some are bad work by a receiver, some are good work by the defense, and some are risks you've just got to take sometimes.

I'm not making excuses for Love, but I don't see him making all that many bad ones. Some certainly, and he has to improve, but this is not worrying me yet. If nothing else, so far the sample size is too small.

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Leatherhead's picture

October 25, 2024 at 07:58 pm

Whether it's a good throw or a bad throw, a tipped-ball, a good play by the defense, or even a crappy call by the official, it still counts as a turnover, and the team has to limit turnovers. Naturally, the QB gets charged with most of the turnovers, but if receivers are falling down, or linemen aren't giving him time, then you have to factor stuff like that in.

I think our offense is good enough it doesn't have to take risks very often. Right now, the #1 problem with our offense this season has been self-inflicted damage, including the turnovers. That should be a team focus, and especially a focus of Love.

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Susieq's picture

October 24, 2024 at 08:16 pm

Another article redeeming Love – the Blitz continues – at least 6 in just 3 days:

1. Hello Wisconsin: The Sky is the Limit for the Green Bay Packers
Love was often remarkable on Sunday, and also occasionally making mind-numbing decisions. But as was so often the case with one of his Hall of Fame predecessors, the moments of sheer brilliance far outweighed the moments of foolishness.

2. “Let's Talk Football with Andy Herman: Easy on the gunslinger talk”

3. 5 Takeaways From Texans 22 - 24 Packers: Love Channels His Inner Favre” “Comparisons to Brett Favre are not an insult to Jordan Love.”

4. “Cory's Corner: Don't Panic About Risks.. Be happy and energized that the Packers have a quarterback willing to take those chances.”

5. “Pack's What She Said: Jaguars Preview + Jordan Love Thoughts” Plus Maggie and Perri's take on the Jordan Love - Brett Favre comparisons at the end!” “I have zero concerns, he could lead the league in interceptions this season and might and I still don’t think that the Packers made a wrong decision nor he is not the guy, like I think that is just part of his game and as long as he is winning football games – which they are – it is what it is.”

6. “The Lass Word: Aggressive or Reckless? For Jordan Love they are one and the same.”

MY, MY, THE LADY DOTH PROTEST TOO MUCH, METHINKS.

The facts:

Jordan – and the Packers - are currently 4 wins and 10 losses when Jordan throws 1 or more interceptions.

Jordan – and the Packers – are currently 9 wins and 2 losses when Jordan throws NO interceptions.

Jordan – and the Packers – are overall 13 wins and 12 losses through Jordan’s 25 career starts, including the 2 playoff games.

In the past Packer quarterbacks often carried the Packer team and management – as a consequence of management miscues and the economic constraints put forth by the hoarding, greed driven, profit seeking/maximizing owners of the NFL.

Now however, the Packer team is carrying the quarterback.

Has Packer management – i.e. Gutekunst – recognized he made an impetuous, irrational, impulsive, insecure, infantile, imprudent, disrespectful, legend in his own mind, arrogant, egotistical temperamental petulant silly silly silly CONTRARIAN move in drafting Jordan in the 1st round in April 2020 with the Packers on the brink of the Super Bowl and is Gutekunst now PREPARING Packer fans for what was predictable from the very start - having the NFL’s interception leader, just as Jordan was in college? All while turning a 13-3, 13-3, 13-4 Super Bowl contender that the Hall of Fame QB often carried - and only injuries to key players could stop - into a team that is now carrying a career 13 win 12 loss QB?

Sam Howell led the NFL in interceptions in 2023 with 21 and Washington finished 4 wins and 13 losses.

Jordan with 8 interceptions currently is on pace for 27 on the basis of a 17 game season.

Jordan currently is being intercepted 4.5 times for every 100 passes attempted – that is 4th worst in the NFL, only Minshew, Richardson, and Levis are worse.

Jordan – like any QB in 2024’s NFL – is going to have a losing record when he throws an interception – even if it is just 1 interception - and a winning record when he throws ZERO interceptions.

Being the NFL leader in interceptions per pass attempt is NEVER a Super Bowl winning formula no matter how many touchdown passes a QB throws. No NFL or AFL team with a quarterback that led the NFL or AFL in interception per pass attempt that season ever won the NFL or AFL Championship that season much less the Super Bowl!! And Jordan’s overall accuracy is near the bottom as well to boot – Jordan’s 29th in completions %/accuracy followed only by Bo Nix, Jacoby Brissett, and Anthony Richardson.

The Packers – and Vikings - under Favre went to NFC Championship games and the Super Bowl in years when Favre was throwing his FEWEST career interceptions and still leading the NFL in touchdown passes. And that was all at a time when life on the field for a QB was much more difficult and interception rates and TD rates were much higher and passer ratings much lower than 2024. Favre had a fastball like no other and Rodgers’ accuracy and distance throwing was unmatched. Jordan has neither the strength and fastball of Favre or the overall and long distance accuracy and touch of Rodgers.

6 articles and shows on this same topic over 3 days!!! - So has Gutekunst sent out a Papal Bull for all high priests - including paid commenters on this Cheesehead TV website - to deliver the NEW DOCTRINE – RISK, TURNOVERS, AND INTERCEPTIONS ARE NOW OK - and turn reality on its head immediately to cover for and save Jordan and himself? How much more cover does Gutekunst need?

Is the mission to instill blissful ignorance in Packer fans so Gutekunst can ride out the next 15 years as GM until retirement with the Packers team carrying Jordan Love. Isn’t Green Bay supposed to be Titletown with Super Bowl championships every year, not just Super Bowl Championship Expectations each year?

Like Jordan Love and am rooting for him but reality is reality.

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Boneman's picture

October 25, 2024 at 06:09 am

You bring up some great points Susie, but a little harsh, maybe? I sense a revisionist mind restructuring the past to exalt his excellency Aaron Rogers a little bit more than his last few campaigns deserve. Looking back I think a reasonable person could conclude that AR had numerous chances to "carry" the team in the playoffs and underperformed in the biggest situations. Whatever. Looking forward I would let the season play out before making judgements. They are 5-2 despite the INT's and we just don't know how the rest of the season will play out. Would it be a surprise if he throws only 1 or 2 picks the rest of the year? After all he did that just last year. That would change your narrative quite a bit wouldn't it? He is a young QB who needs to learn and grow. Either he will and all will be roses or he becomes Jameis Winston. We'll find out! GPG!

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Untylu1968's picture

October 25, 2024 at 06:40 am

Are you just another butt hurt Rodgers' lover? Love will be great, the Packers will be good and keep getting better, and Gute is awesome, even if he misses on some draft picks, as all GMs do.

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stockholder's picture

October 25, 2024 at 06:55 am

Gute is not awesome.
No super-Bowl-=
KC is about to win 3 in a row-
Now that is Awesome!

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Rory P Scrotem's picture

October 25, 2024 at 07:12 am

Susieq - Your comments just go to show, when writing a bunch of bullshit, eloquence might stir some reading interest. Boil it honey...Boil it!

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Untylu1968's picture

October 25, 2024 at 07:42 am

You have to understand that the natives are getting restless! They're in bad need of a Packers loss, so they can have something legitimate to complain about. For now, it's Love being a "careless, turnover machine." I can't wait to see what the next gripe will be. If the Pack happens to win again and heaven forbid, Love doesn't turn the ball over, it could get ugly!

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PackAttackJack's picture

October 25, 2024 at 08:09 am

You certainly love to hear yourself talk. Blah, Blah, Blah,

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packback65's picture

October 25, 2024 at 11:51 am

You're an obvious Rodgers fan and that's fine. There's more to being a successful QB than throwing interceptions. Look at Phil Simms from the Giants years ago. He was a mediocre QB and I think he won 2 super bowls. But he had LT on the other side of the football. One of the things about Rodgers is/was although he was a great and very accurate QB, I believe he is a choker. When it comes to the big game, I think he just loses it. We've seen it time and again. So, Love is and will be a different kind of quarterback than Rodgers and Favre but I think ha has the potential to lead this team to very positive results.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

October 26, 2024 at 01:35 am

Susie, you're placing WAY too much importance on articles here. They have 0 to do with team decisions, and I'm pretty sure you know that. Cut out the pretense and just state your own points.

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Starrbrite's picture

October 24, 2024 at 08:46 pm

Bart Starr said you must play the the QB position with reckless abandon—not to be confused with carelessness. He said, “you can throw caution to the wind and still not be careless.” You must be freewheeling, i.e., loose. If you’re to careful, you become tense and limit your own ability.
Starr called Unitas the greatest QB and said he was a gambler and risk taker. He clarified this by stating Unitas is completely self confident—nothing ruffles him.
IMO, Love’s most impressive character trait is he appears unshakable.
Go Packers!!!

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stockholder's picture

October 25, 2024 at 06:59 am

Until Love is surrounded
with the talent Starr had.
And wins 2 super-bowls.

It's just smoke being blown up my ass

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Oppy's picture

October 25, 2024 at 07:37 am

Most talented Packers roster in 20 years.

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Leatherhead's picture

October 25, 2024 at 09:47 am

You know, if Starr doesn't play so well in the playoffs, and the Packers don't win all those titles in the 60s, a lot of those guys don't make the HOF.

Starr had a good team around him. So does Love.

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greengold's picture

October 25, 2024 at 09:58 am

I agree, LH. And, this team is young, ascending. Wow. Wishing them all good health for their big ride to winning another Lombardi Trophy.

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HawkPacker's picture

October 25, 2024 at 11:03 am

Where there's smoke there's fire!

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Bitternotsour's picture

October 25, 2024 at 11:15 am

Stock, nowadays you actually have to pay extra to have smoke blown up your ass.

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LLCHESTY's picture

October 25, 2024 at 03:46 pm

Whatever you're into buddy, just keep it to yourself, this is a family site!

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TKWorldWide's picture

October 25, 2024 at 08:57 am

It’s actually very simple:
“Aggressive” is a tight window throw resulting in a completion, explosive gain, or touchdown.
“Reckless” is a tight window throw resulting in an interception. It is also, in some cases, a long incompletion on 3rd and 3 while ignoring a wide open receiver underneath. (See also ‘Rodgers to Adams’)

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greengold's picture

October 25, 2024 at 09:49 am

I see what you did there... LOLZ

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TKWorldWide's picture

October 25, 2024 at 01:09 pm

Heh heh
I appreciate your appreciation! 😉

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porupack's picture

October 25, 2024 at 09:12 am

Yeah, I'm of the opinion you are excusing the INTs. I agree with many points from posters above;
1. I'm not worried yet. Good to be aggressive early in season, as Love says; to push the limits and learn.
2. Easily can be a regression to the mean, and the next several games with minimal INTs would quickly change with a few more data points.
3. INTs are certainly a huge factor in games; most games come down to a few key plays that swing an almost even talent match up. The QB has more control over turnovers than anyone else.
4. Yes, some of the INTs result from WR errors, or simply mis communication where they will go....so that will improve over the 2nd half of the season.

So...count me among those not worried (yet), but Love is the 3rd best QB in the NFC North. Goff and Darnold have been amazing to watch, and they are zipping passes in tight windows (who would have thought). So there has to be a formula that Love does not give away ANY games that "should be" won. Every game matters in particularly in the NFC N this season. Considering a decent defense this year, a solid Oline, and no real weaknesses across both O and D, the INT is the easiest path to a loss (now that we have a kicker), and just a hair above the other risk factor of Special Team goofs that might give a game away,.

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Oppy's picture

October 25, 2024 at 11:00 am

I’m not for excusing INTs in general (though as someone else noted, not all INTs are the same.)

However, the vast majority of QBs who have ever played in a Super Bowl game have had more INTs than Aaron Rodgers averaged during his career.

If limiting INTs was the end-alll, be all to success in the NFL, the packers should have been in the Super Bowl almost every year of the Rodgers era.

Love will learn to pick his spots, and that will lessen the INTs. I just don’t want him to make avoiding risk at all costs his MO. There’s a level of risk in playing the position to its fullest.

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LLCHESTY's picture

October 25, 2024 at 03:48 pm

Excellent point. I'll be a lot more worried about it if he's still throwing a lot of them in two years.

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LambeauPlain's picture

October 25, 2024 at 09:31 am

Through 7 games Rodgers has 10 TDs, 7 INTs, has a QB rating of 82, completion of 61.7%, 6.5 yards/attemp and has been sacked 17 times.

Through 5 games, Love has 15 TDs, 8 INTs, has a QB rating of 94, completion of 61.5%, 7.6 yds/attempt and has been sacked 7 times.

Who is justifying earning their bag of gold more?

Jets probably need to be asking why Rodgers is not playing more like Love, after all his demands.

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greengold's picture

October 25, 2024 at 09:44 am

Nice, LP. Well played.

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Bitternotsour's picture

October 25, 2024 at 10:47 am

If the Jets had traded for Malik Willis rather than Aaron Rodgers I think it's safe to assume that Robert Saleh would still be their coach. Malik Willis > 40 YO #8.

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Oppy's picture

October 26, 2024 at 09:25 am

No he's not.
...And it's not even close.

:)

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Bitternotsour's picture

October 26, 2024 at 10:14 am

I thought in your world the numbers don't lie?

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Oppy's picture

October 26, 2024 at 12:24 pm

You missed the context part, apparently.

There's a reason no one in the NFL world is calling for Malik Willis to get a starting QB job in the NFL. He did what he was asked to do, and did that well, but his job tasks were extremely limited compared to what any of the 32 starting QBs and most of their backups are asked to do on a daily basis.

He displays massive limitations in areas of QB play that are required to be a legitimate starter in this league. You don't see it, and there's nothing I can do to help you out. He literally reads the field at a sub-collegiate level. Don't know what the hang up is, he's obviously a very intelligent young man, but he barely gets through a second read in the time most starting QBs can get through 4.

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Bitternotsour's picture

October 27, 2024 at 05:09 pm

Yeah. Totally sucks. Your film review skills and scouting is unparalleled. Malik Willis, walks in, throws a TD, and marches the team to victory. What was his QB rating today? For the year? AR is cooked. He can't even lead his self-selected team to a win over New England.

I think you should just shut up about Willis. You clearly are out of your element.

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greengold's picture

October 25, 2024 at 09:34 am

Lost in all of this is what happens if you take 4-5 of his current total of 8 INTs out of the equation?

I don't know about anyone else here, but, I think Jordan Love should not have been playing in that MIN game, at all, where he tossed 3 INTs on a knee that clearly was not fully healed. His mechanics were a mess vs. the Vikings, and it was clear to everyone who watched that game. Love was unable to step fully into his throws. I'll put all 3 of those picks on Matt LaFleur.

Add in the INT he threw vs. ARI when Bo Melton slipped and Sean Murphy-Bunting wound up with a gift INT, which was no fault of Love's, and what are we talking about here?

Those 4 INTs in his total of 8 are on Jordan Love? Really? I don't believe that to be true, and I think he's shown himself to be playing pretty well since his Week 6 game vs. the Cardinals. Seems to me that JL really started getting his legs under him again in Week 6. Week 5 vs. LAR he started showing some improvement, but, that INT was a ridiculous pick 6 under duress from his own end zone in an attempt to avoid a Safety. That's partly on him, but, his protection lapsed big time there as well...

Love's Passer Rating was 95.7 vs. LAR, better than Mahommes' 86.6 in the Chief's win over NO. Seemed like JL was maybe just beginning to show signs of his knee being healthy in that Week 5 Rams game.

He certainly was not healthy in Week 4 vs. MIN.

All these factors, most out of Love's control, contributed greatly to 5 of Jordan Love's 8 INT on the season. Think about that.

I'm not concerned in the least about Jordan Love. I'm glad to see him give his WRs a chance to win contested catches, as opposed to the years of safe stat-padding throws we all saw too much of at the cost of winning football games from his predecessor.

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Leatherhead's picture

October 25, 2024 at 09:57 am

I'm pretty sure we'll have a stretch of games where he doesn't turn it over. Last year, we had a stretch against the Chargers, Lions, and Chiefs where we did not turn the ball over and we won all 3 games. Love had 10 games where he did not throw an interception.

The offense stops itself a lot. Sometimes it's a pick, more often it's a penalty that puts us in bad down and distance. He's only been sacked 7 times, and his sack % is the lowest in the league . He's got a great arm and some excellent receivers. He's going to be fine.

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LambeauPlain's picture

October 25, 2024 at 10:09 am

Agree, G&G!

What also adds to Love's prowess this year is his solid understanding of the Offense. And his vision pre and post snap is excellent. He's making good decisions overall because of what he knows about the next play and what he sees on the field. He goes through his reads quickly because he knows his progression so well. Once he sees his first most open target he pulls the trigger.

Defense Pass D has Vision and Break.
Offense Pass O has Vision and Fire.

I believe that is how he has been coached to play by Matt and Tom.

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crayzpackfan's picture

October 25, 2024 at 10:11 am

If you're going to take away 3 picks cuz he shouldn't have played against the vikings, then you need to also take away 4 TD's as well.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

October 26, 2024 at 02:09 am

While I might pick some nits over which ints weren't within JL10's control, I agree completely that many of them weren't and our evaluation of him needs to account for that. Since the sample size is so small, this creates a wild swing no matter how we count them.

Bottom line: we haven't caught a GLIMPSE of JL10's ceiling, he can improve in several categories where just a little bit can show up huge, and several other players on this team are in a similar situation where their improvement may not plateau for quite some distance; Tucker Kraft and Josh Myers I put in that category if only because they're playing hurt. Carrington Valentine? I mean, maybe he's not playing because he's regressed, but his practices missed and limited tell me otherwise.

This whole team can become really great, and the possibility we get to see it this season still exists.

GPG!

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Oppy's picture

October 26, 2024 at 09:33 am

There have been a number of picks where the responsibility doesn't fall on Love's throw or decision making, but they still go on the record. That can be said of every QB in the league.

We can't go cherry picking which INTs count and which don't for one QB and not the rest. The INTs happened, they go on the record, and the same is true for the other QBs in the league.

I agree with your sentiment- I'm not at all worried about Love's performance now that we're into the season and have been vocal about people bashing a number of his INTs without any context or analyzing the decisions / mechanics that Love controlled in those INTs - but the stats are still the stats.

Data is real and factual. People need to understand that context is necessary when analyzing the data.

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greengold's picture

October 26, 2024 at 11:00 am

I agree, and felt this article/discussion did need that part of the equation added into the balance sheet.

I'm not cherry picking, just pointing out the reality that it was very likely a poor decision by LaFleur to play JL v. MIN, and that, yes, it is a very small sample size.

Context matters, and the arguments against him ("reckless?") didn't address any of the factors that led to those picks. Not unlike those that skewed his 2019 numbers at Utah St.

It is a team game. And, it's freaking football... the ball... it's oblong. Real grass? Players are going to slip, etc, etc...

Not making excuses. Just pointing out the facts of what had actually occurred during the games, and I appreciate your bringing this up, Oppy. Without a doubt. Context in data is a thing.

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HarryHodag's picture

October 25, 2024 at 10:45 am

No one should think that there's no problem if there's an interception. The goal is to NEVER turn the ball over in whatever method.
That said, Brett Farve is in the Hall of Fame not because of his generous interceptions but his arm that produced even more yards and touchdowns. As I recall, Favre's last pass in his professional career was an interception. He still made it into the Hall.

Interceptions are bad when your defense is bad. But unless you've just returned from a research tour in Antarctica you will see that the Packers defense is much improved this year. The defense can stop an interception from being an easy score for the opponent.

The principal problem with interceptions is when you turn the ball over to an efficient offense. Throwing an interception to Kansas City hurts much more than an interception to Carolina.

I look at Love and wonder why people are quick to criticize him. Do the Packers have an alternative? Willis has some ability, but there's a reason he couldn't make a Titans roster that could use the help. Love can evolve into an elite QB and that potential is what you build a great team around.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

October 26, 2024 at 02:16 am

I'm not convinced Willis can't evolve into an elite QB if the rushing attack is what he benefitted from. Remember last off-season when we were all expecting JL10 to walk into that situation?

It would still help. Maybe this week isn't the time to emphasize that seeing as Sacksonville is better against the run than they are against the pass.

A 500 yard game would be good 😎

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Lphill's picture

October 25, 2024 at 10:50 am

Shannon Sharpe did a nice piece on Love but he replayed some plays in different games where Love made a throw into tight coverage yet their were other options as far as other receivers being open even waving their arms, Love cant be impatient and force the ball he needs to make all his reads time permitting of course.

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Packerpasty's picture

October 25, 2024 at 11:24 am

I do think he gets greedy at times, wants the big play when there are other shorter first down, ball moving plays to be made...I guess fans have to live with it.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

October 26, 2024 at 02:17 am

Love certainly can be impatient. I've seen it!

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LLCHESTY's picture

October 25, 2024 at 03:39 pm

🎶I'm reckless and feeling no pain, you know I don't need your control. Living with the danger I'm always on the edge now with million dollar visions when I throw. 🎶

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TOMMY'63's picture

October 25, 2024 at 06:06 pm

Everyone talking if favre or rodgers? Holmgren calmed favre a little bit, went to 2 superbowls
The one we lost ,we were favourites by 13 points by the bookmakers, unfortunately couldn't stop their running game. I truly believe if Holmgren remained in gb instead of going to Seattle we've have won a sb or two! Under Holmgren instead of sherman ,would've been much better. As far as Arod in his prime ,the culprit was Tt ,Thompson! Yes! He never gave him a competent defence! Very true, He avaded free agency like the plaque,loved more quantity than quantity. In 5 straight drafts ,1st round picks all dbs,remember? All busts? 30,35,45 pts weren't enough to go deep! In his later years ,dont know how to evaluate. The playing with fear in final minutes at settlement? The terrible officiating was at home against Brady, yes at home against sf ,he fucked up !! Going long to Adams in triple coverage with Lizard open in the middle! In his later years he cost us,but in his prime it was Tt who never gave him a bloody defence, he had to carry the team on his back.This is the truth. One last thing ,Mccarthy is what he is,but in 2010-11 , we had 16 players on injured reserve and took us to win a sb!! How was that possible? Playing with the reserves? 16 players, how? The 6th seed! Never shall happen again in my lifetime, missing 16players to go and win a sb!!!

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TOMMY'63's picture

October 25, 2024 at 06:17 pm

Sorry the match at seattle ,at the end when we shit on our pants ,played with fear ,and couldn't stop only one of seahawks 2 pt conversions to take the match into extra time!

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LeotisHarris's picture

October 25, 2024 at 06:17 pm

Stream. Of. Consciousness.

I knew Ted Thompson was a proponent of good oral healthcare, but I've never seen that fact described so forcefully.

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LLCHESTY's picture

October 25, 2024 at 07:15 pm

A kinder, gentler Stockholder? I didn't realize TT avoided plaques. I mean, being a sportsman you'd think he would received plenty in his playing career.

I'm stuck on "match." Does he have a spot of tea while watching our beloved Packers? Listen to Churchill's "We will fight on the beaches" speech pregame?

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

October 26, 2024 at 02:19 am

Autocorrect is still responsible for some of the best online humor.

And Lizards.

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13TimeChamps's picture

October 25, 2024 at 07:32 pm

I always thought it was that damn lizard running around the middle of the field that mucked things up.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

October 26, 2024 at 02:20 am

Target practice at halftime!

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