Taunting: Unsportsmanlike or Not?

The league's crackdown is raising eyebrows

If you've ever been in a competition with someone else, chances are you've engaged in some trash talk. It doesn't even have to be related to sports. Trying to reach a goal at work before your coworkers? Trash talk. Persuading someone to take a shot with you at the bar? Trash talk.

In some cases, it can be in jest, but in others, it's meant to get under your "opponent's" skin. If you get in their head a little bit and throw them off their game, it's a little bonus that goes in your favor. You're trying to gain an edge over the opposition by any means possible. In professional sports, it's all about the head games. Whether or not the words or actions used are over the line is left up to the officiating to make the call. Lately, however, it's seemed like with the NFL's crackdown on taunting that any form of insult or getting in an opponent's face is at risk of a 15-yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. 

Now, let's look at other sports. In baseball, trash talk between a catcher and a batter is considered a normal part of the game. Usually, it's just ignored unless it crosses a line into harassment or causes a delay in the game. In hockey, come on, sitting near the benches at a few games, I've personally heard referees themselves sling insults at players that would make their mothers wash their mouths out with soap.  But again, there are no penalties called unless there's a delay of the game from the words dealt out, or the insult crosses a very thick line. In the NFL, though, it seems like you can get flagged for 15 yards and risk ejection for telling your opponent that they have perfected the main function of a vacuum cleaner. 

In the Packers' week 1 matchup vs the Detroit Lions, Xavier McKinney was flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct when he stood over and butted heads with the Lions' Khalif Raymond. An action that honestly seemed like Raymond initiated the little headbutt. Now, of course, we don't know what McKinney may have said to Raymond, but to be honest, I highly doubt it was so hateful and harassing that it needed an immediate flag. But it came, the Packers were penalized 15 yards, and it was announced yesterday that McKinney was receiving a $11,593 fine from the action. 

Come on now. Are we being led to believe McKinney's words were so terrible that this punishment was needed, or that the delay of game was so egregious that corrective action was warranted? Earlier in the game, Brian Branch of the Lions removed Tucker Kraft's helmet while Kraft was blocking him out of the play. Branch then proceeded to toss Kraft's helmet away. This action costs the same in the game as Xavier McKinney's. 15-yard penalty; however, Branch was fined $11,593 for ripping Kraft's helmet off, and another $11,593 for tossing it away. The ripping of the helmet was probably a bit excessive, and the tossing of it could cause a delay in the game for Kraft to retrieve his helmet, get it secured, and get back in the huddle. So, that penalty was warranted.

But are those two penalties really the same?

The No Fun League

After Xavier McKinney's penalty was called last Sunday, many folks, including myself, were posting the criticism of the NFL instead of standing for "National Football League," saying it stands for "No Fun League." And it's true. If a DB can't try to get in the head of a receiver to force some drops or split-second hesitation, then where's the fun in it? No one wants to hear a defensive player say to the offense, "You almost had it there, good luck on the next play, old chum!" Though I'll admit that could be funny, it would get old pretty quickly. 

So, what can be done about it?

Some of us are old enough to remember when an incidental or minor face mask penalty resulted in only a five-yard penalty. While one that was egregious would result in a 15-yard penalty. This was changed to try to eliminate a penalty for incidental contact. But, honestly, I don't think it worked as we still watch incidental contact result in the major penalty. But something similar could be adopted for taunting. 

If there must be a crackdown for taunting, put a level on it. Bumping into someone and telling them they're not good at their job should not be the same punishment as ripping off someone's helmet and chucking it. Perhaps just words, as long as they're not egregious, should only cost 5 yards. Save the 15-yarder for the actions that truly make you say, "Now that was uncalled for." 

No one wants to see officials impact a game. So, let's lighten up, everyone. No one wants to see a Super Bowl decided because a linebacker told the Quarterback to watch his back. 

 

 

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Greg Meinholz is a lifelong devoted Packer fan. A contributor to CheeseheadTV as well as PackersTalk. Follow him on Twitter @gmeinholz and Bluesky @gmeinholz.bsky.social for Packers commentary, random humor, beer endorsements, and occasional Star Wars and Marvel ramblings.

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Savage57's picture

September 14, 2025 at 05:58 am

I agree with your proposal for tiered penalties.

Any after-play action which includes physical contact should be a 15 yard penalty.

Verbal incidents, including those where a player fronts up and flosses, should be limted to a 5 yard penalty, unless they include the words, "Yo momma!".

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Vachio's picture

September 14, 2025 at 07:24 am

As a proud member of Generation X, I say a solid "Yo Momma" line should result in a 5 yard penalty for the person on the receiving end. "Sick burn against #85, offense. 5 yards from the spot of the burn."

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Vachio's picture

September 14, 2025 at 07:24 am

As a proud member of Generation X, I say a solid "Yo Momma" line should result in a 5 yard penalty for the person on the receiving end. "Sick burn against #85, offense. 5 yards from the spot of the burn."

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Coldworld's picture

September 14, 2025 at 07:52 am

If you are going to call these, then there needs to be absolute consistency. Let’s start with that.

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PackerBackerAZ's picture

September 14, 2025 at 12:24 pm

Sounds good but these are referees and there is absolutely no consistency from one to the other. Never has been and never will be.

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Esquetoi's picture

September 15, 2025 at 04:36 am

So you agree, penalties should put a damper on it, right?

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NFLfan's picture

September 14, 2025 at 08:09 am

Listened to a recent podcast hosting Jalen Ramsey. He admitted to some fairly dark 'trash talk' as a younger player.

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TheKanataThrilla's picture

September 14, 2025 at 08:25 am

In the age of betting on everything, I really want less discretionary penalty powers given to the refs. The Xavier penalty continued a drive that had a very good chance of stalling out and ensured the Lions ended up with points. The fact that Xavier got headbutted with no call made the situation more annoying.

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PeteK's picture

September 14, 2025 at 10:04 am

Also, in a later play after a Packer made a play, a Lions player was following closely for a few steps and taunting in clear view of everyone, but no call. So I agree with Coldworld.

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TheKanataThrilla's picture

September 14, 2025 at 08:25 am

Double post.

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Since'75's picture

September 14, 2025 at 09:57 am

You can trash talk in the NFL (within reason), happens multiple times in each game without a flag being thrown.
Maybe it's a slow news day in writing content, i don't know.

For being a "No fun League", the NFL is head and shoulders above any other sport, there isn't even a close second.
Why, because people absolutely love the NFL. If fans are not having fun, they can always rake leaves soon, or do some fall golfing (and there's nothing wrong whatsoever with fall golf!!) .

If a player gets flagged/suspended, the team and/or player can always appeal to the league if they think it's unjust.

I think the NFL knows what it's doing concerning running and expanding the league in popularity, entertainment, and profit, especially under Goodell. That is undisputable.
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Here's what i'm doing today, as a Packer fan and a NFL fan.

With the Packers already at 2-0, and looking dominant doing so.........
I'll be watching the Bear/Lions game asking..."what's what?" with a big ass smile on my face!!
Then i'll keep my eye on watching a rematch of the SB teams, then checking out the Vikings and JJ McCarthy to see how they show up in week 2.

All i know is, the Packers are undefeated and sitting atop of the league, and i'm lovin every minute of it.

No fun league?
I can't speak for the rest of you, but it's fun for me.

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splitpea1's picture

September 14, 2025 at 10:59 am

The whole thing is stupid unless it's blatantly obvious and flamboyant in demonstration.

You're giving the officials too much power in terms of subjective behavioral judgment as opposed to physical altercations or the typical technical foul penalties. It's unrealistic for the league to expect the players to suddenly turn into choir boys during the heat of battle.

I would agree that if the NFL is going to be stubborn about enforcing this, then a tiered approach is the better idea. And for those minor instances, the ball should be moved five yards after the play instead of the entire thing being wiped out. There are enough questionable calls during the games without adding more, let alone questionable ones that might decide an outcome.

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joejetson's picture

September 14, 2025 at 11:05 am

The League says they have sent guidelines to all 32 teams specifying exactly what constitutes the "taunting" to be called. It's the team's responsibility to educate the players what they can and cannot do on the field.

It boils down to "good sportsmanship". You're still allowed to celebrate a good play, but not to stand over your opponent and gloat or threaten. I think this has always been in the rules, they're just enforcing it now.

I agree it's about time to enforce this because player's behavior always trickles down to kid's sports. I don't want to see a 9 year old looming over another kid on the ground in a Pop Warner game.

There may be inconsistencies in enforcing the rule in the beginning, but it will settle in and eventually eliminate some of the poor sportsmanship that has crept into the game.

I think it would be interesting to see what materials the league has sent out to the teams about what is and what isn't a penalty. It should be something the coaches can easily educate the players about.

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TKWorldWide's picture

September 14, 2025 at 04:11 pm

So….Jalen Carter….over the line? 😂

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jont's picture

September 14, 2025 at 11:26 am

I'm with you, Joe. I'd like to see better sportsmanship because, like it or not, pro athletes are role models. Bart Starr or Ndamukong Suh, which do we want our kids to see?

And it's the seeing that the rule is going after. Lord knows what's being said but when you make a show of it the flags come out. You can get away with saying some things to a ref but get in his face for all the stadium to see and you can expect a flag. It's always been this way.

Continuing my grumpy old guy rant, I'd like to see a lot less of players stepping over the guy they just tackled and a lot less lifting his legs after a tackle as we saw Thursday. A little 'league guidance' and this will stop-- the tacklers will just step away and dance around like they never made a tackle before. Ray goddamm Nitschke never pranced around (though I'm sure he had a few choice words to offer now and then).

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Snap the ball's picture

September 14, 2025 at 11:28 am

It all started with Deion Sanders.

Look at college now.

Even High school.

I call it Pride the deadliest of all sins and you see what happens after the Good Lord Spanks you after that move.

Make a play, be happy. Be excited. But don’t over shadow the other player.

Be Humble …..

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LeotisHarris's picture

September 14, 2025 at 07:59 pm

Man, Red Grange had barnstorming tours in the 1920s! Larger-than-life persona that gave way to the notion of a football player being a star as an entertainer. "It" did not all start with Deion.

Wanna talk about Billy "white shoes" Johnson?

Homer Jones invented the "spike" in the 1960s.

Be humble, and get some Adderall, little buddy.

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19kurt's picture

September 14, 2025 at 11:48 am

I'd go for a 15 yarder for the defense racing down to the endzone to 'pose' because they finally got a sack. OR knocked down a pass. Give a delay of game penalty. The military crawl is sort of ridiculous also.

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NFLfan's picture

September 14, 2025 at 12:02 pm

We don't see nor hear 80% of what is going on on-field, though I think we'd be shocked at some of the below-belt trash talk.

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TKWorldWide's picture

September 14, 2025 at 04:13 pm

If a guy can trash talk from below the belt, that would be an anatomical miracle.

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LeotisHarris's picture

September 14, 2025 at 08:01 pm

63% of below-the-belt trash talk is exaggerated, and only heard by 28% of 90% of the players within a 25-yard radius.

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TKWorldWide's picture

September 15, 2025 at 10:49 am

LOL
As well as malodorous within the same range

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Since'61's picture

September 14, 2025 at 01:40 pm

This situation is typical of how the league handles its rules. First they allow penalties to go on unchecked and then they decide to crack down and throw flags on everything.

The inconsistency in officiating has become worse and worse with every season. Teams have no idea what to expect.

We’ll see how this plays out with the taunting calls. Common sense and consistency is what is needed. GPG!
Thanks, Since ‘61

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Starrbrite's picture

September 14, 2025 at 05:21 pm

Exactly ‘61. An excellent comment!

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Since'75's picture

September 14, 2025 at 06:24 pm

When humans officiate games (in any sport), you will ALWAYS have errors, inconsistencies, because they call the plays in REAL TIME.

It's easy for us fans sitting on the couch, watching 2 or 3 replays (at different angles), in SLOW MOTION, then.....acting like an authority and yelling at the refs.
Guess what, the refs don't have that luxury.

I think refereeing NFL games is a tough, tough job, i respect the refs.
Do mistakes happen, do calls get missed...no shit, they are human.
Could any of us do better calling games OFF our couch/on the field?

Doubtful.

I almost never bitch about the refs, i'm a Packer fan, not a bear fan.

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LeotisHarris's picture

September 14, 2025 at 07:48 pm

"I think refereeing NFL games is a tough, tough job, i respect the refs.
Do mistakes happen, do calls get missed...no shit, they are human.
Could any of us do better calling games OFF our couch/on the field?"

Somehow, if The Ginger Hammer and the NFL Owners dug around in the couch cushions, I think maybe they could scrape together enough spare change to pay full-time professional officials. As we sit, these men and women are , at best, part-time seasonal employees being paid $3,000-$5,000 per game. With off-season obligations it becomes a second career for many, but they in no way are able to dedicate the amount of focus needed to do their jobs.

Could any of us do better? Doubtful because we're not NFL referees. The NFL has the resources to provide top notch pros in those roles. They choose not to do it.

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Since'75's picture

September 20, 2025 at 09:40 pm

I googled it, it's hard to pin down what they make from any credible source, but the majority have a NFL refs salary at averaging about 200,000k.

One has a starting salary at $125k/year

Found these two items also....

Referees working postseason games receive bonuses, with estimates ranging from $3,000 to $5,000 for games leading up to the Super Bowl.

Per-Game Pay: This varies by experience. Less experienced referees might earn around $1,000 per game <----i'm not sure i'm buying that one though.
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I just think it's a tough gig, having millions of people critiquing your job.
Most of us don't like it when one person critiques our work.

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Esquetoi's picture

September 15, 2025 at 04:42 am

I these times, perhaps taunting is not or should not be a welcomed form of entertainment. But if, for good reason we take the widely adored, and well behaved former Packer A.J. Dillon and observe his demeanor, we'd have to say he shows us all taunting and trash talk is a weak way of not holding yourself accountable and is not necessary. Let's grow up a little bit.

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BuckyBadger's picture

September 15, 2025 at 07:44 am

Read this before the games yesterday and I think the NFL should only go after the egregious fouls here because it is too hard to be nitpicky about it. There is taunting on almost every play. This will end up having too much grew area and will effect the game too much to try to prevent all taunting.

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