Should the Packers Trade Up for Ed Oliver?

Ed Oliver is steadily becoming the most polarizing player in this year’s draft. His athletic testing has been so far off the charts that the defensive tackle is even getting buzz for possibly playing inside linebacker in the NFL. That sort of versatility is incredibly rare but Oliver’s 4.7 speed and agility somehow makes it plausible. However, he may want to stick to the trenches seeing that Oliver became a standout while playing for Houston racking up 53 tackles for loss and 13.5 sacks over three seasons. Eventually, he garnered national recognition for his ability to dominate games simply by clogging up the middle of the field. A month ago Oliver was more likely to be available when the Packers pick 12thoverall, but after his impressive pro day, he may not make it out of the top 10. Now the question remains, is he worth trading up for?

Every team needs a player like Oliver simply because he instantly makes your defense better. His freakish athleticism and strength are second to none and he’s a relatively safe pick expected to have an illustrious NFL career. Green Bay has an emerging star defensive tackle in Kenny Clark, however, there is no such thing as having too many good players up front. 

Analysts have concerns with Oliver’s questionable size and length being able to win against the top brass of interior offensive lineman in the NFL. Sure, is his workout are impressive to watch, but will it all translate to the next level? There’s no way of knowing but with two first-round picks the Packers have the luxury of being able to trade up if they believe Oliver is a generational player. 

According to Pro Football Reference’s draft chart, Green Bay’s two first rounders might be able to get them into the top five, most likely Tampa Bay’s pick at fifth overall. It’s an intriguing option but it takes away the Packers rare chance of doubling down on first round talent. Also, with a second round pick at 44, they have the chance to add three top 50 players which could heavily impact the franchise’s future over the next few years.

Trading up will really come down to how the Packers draft board stands following the first few picks in the draft. If for some reason Oliver starts to slide and he is their top-rated player, then perhaps it’s worth it.  After last year, Brian Gutekunst clearly won’t shy away from making some noise on draft night. 

If I’m him, though, I’m staying put at 12 and hoping Oliver drops. If he doesn’t, take the best available player. Then, increase your chances of landing an impact defensive player and a weapon for Aaron Rodgers with the following two picks. The Packers three picks in the top 50 should be dedicated to getting this team ready for a surprise turnaround in 2019. 

 

 

Brandon Carwile is a Packers writer who also enjoys watching and breaking down film. Follow him on Twitter @PackerScribe.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

March 31, 2019 at 12:14 pm

"Should the Packers Trade Up for Ed Oliver?"

No, this is not an eggs all in one basket draft. This is a stockpile good players draft. I'm all for high RAS guys, but the metrics have to make sense too. Why does anyone care how fast a DL runs 40 yards?

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Duneslick's picture

March 31, 2019 at 02:16 pm

Pass Rush

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The TKstinator's picture

March 31, 2019 at 02:43 pm

So, if the Hock is rising up the boards, and so are the QB’s, and so are the Devins, etc, etc, sounds to me like 12 ought to offer some outstanding value.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

March 31, 2019 at 06:00 pm

Yeah, this is my thinking too.

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Hawg Hanner's picture

March 31, 2019 at 08:03 pm

Let's get the two choices, we still need a lot of talent to fix the many holes left by TT's hapless drafting the last several years

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The TKstinator's picture

March 31, 2019 at 08:36 pm

Can never have too many good players.
Good teams, good players.
“Next man up” is total BS.
The players ARE the team.
No team is 53 deep.
It’s a salary cap, battle of attrition league.

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carlos's picture

April 01, 2019 at 08:57 am

I don’t understand the trade picks away to move a couple spots. No one is a sure thing. I want two picks in round one. Not gambling and getting one pick. If Oliver is taken ahead of the Packer’s pick so be it. That means another quality player drops a notch. Let the board work and let the chips fall where they will. All I hear is people wanting to trade away picks. How often do you get two shots in the first round. Go grab two future stars.

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TheVOR's picture

April 01, 2019 at 10:33 am

Trade up? No! Trade down perhaps a few slots, Maybe, depends on the value, finally, stay put and take the best can't miss football player at any of many positions of need? Yes!

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TheVOR's picture

April 01, 2019 at 10:33 am

Trade up? No! Trade down perhaps a few slots, Maybe, depends on the value, finally, stay put and take the best can't miss football player at any of many positions of need? Yes!

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GLM's picture

March 31, 2019 at 12:21 pm

I would say, yes, but only one or two spots. If he's the guy the team really wants, then yes.

However, I wouldn't fixate on any one player...let the draft come to you.

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Coldworld's picture

April 01, 2019 at 06:13 am

Amen to your second statement.

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Bearmeat's picture

March 31, 2019 at 12:22 pm

No. There's going to be a fantastic player available at 12 for us. I'm personally hoping it's Oliver or Sweat, but it also might be White. Or Hockenson. Or or or.

There's so much front 7 and TE depth in this draft. Just let it fall to you.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 31, 2019 at 01:44 pm

Didn't you see the shirt Oliver is wearing? It has #12 on it. It is an omen! Oliver to GB at 12!!!

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carlos's picture

April 01, 2019 at 08:59 am

Would love to see White at that spot.

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Demon's picture

March 31, 2019 at 12:24 pm

Im not as informed about the potential 1st round players as most of you. All I want is a difference maker. I dont care what position just a great player. No more drafting a guy with the intention of developing him for 2 to 3 years. The Packers need play makers now. Development players can be in the 3rd round and later. Your 1st and 2nd round should come in and play immediatly. Particularly in the top half of round 1.

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carlos's picture

April 01, 2019 at 09:02 am

Hey White/ it would be nice to see all picks come in with a lot of playing time potential. It’s nearly impossible, but a good draft could really turn a team around.

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sonomaca's picture

March 31, 2019 at 12:25 pm

I think the Pack should hope that Haskins, Lock or Jones are still there at #12. There are teams behind the Pack which do need a QB, namely Chargers, New Orleans, Giants, Washington, and New England.

There might be trade down opportunities if Denver passes on Lock.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 31, 2019 at 12:41 pm

If a franchise QB is available at #12, why wouldn't we just take him?

Oh, that's right....Aaron Rodgers isn't going to get hurt and he's going to play at a high level for another 4 or 5 years. Never mind.

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TheBigCheeze's picture

March 31, 2019 at 02:31 pm

school.....there aren't any franchise QBs in this entire draft....they're all over hyped....next.....

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Leatherhead's picture

March 31, 2019 at 03:12 pm

That would be your opinion. Other people, including people who make their living at this stuff, would disagree.

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Samson's picture

March 31, 2019 at 04:14 pm

It's also just an "opinion" of those who make a living 'at this stuff". -- There is not a person on this planet who can seriously say that this draft has any "franchise QBs."

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Leatherhead's picture

March 31, 2019 at 05:07 pm

So then why is Murray the consensus #1 pick right now?

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GLM's picture

March 31, 2019 at 08:32 pm

If I can hazard a guess, I would say it would be the hope of filling the stadium on game day.

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albert999's picture

March 31, 2019 at 04:42 pm

Brady wasn’t a franchise pick
How would you know what is and isn’t

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Leatherhead's picture

March 31, 2019 at 05:10 pm

I wouldn't. Neither would you. But the guys who make money doing this can certainly see that some guys that are clear franchise QBs. Manning. Manning. Stafford. Trubisky. Ryan. Newton.

Even with those guys, there's no guarantee, of course. And Brady wasn't a franchise pick. But Rodgers was, even though 24 teams made the mistake of passing on him.

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Rak47's picture

March 31, 2019 at 05:42 pm

"school.....there aren't any franchise QBs in this entire draft....they're all over hyped....next....."
Except Charlie Casserly say's that Kyler Murray is a better QB and prospect than Baker Mayfield coming out.
So I'd say there's at least high potential for at least one.

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zeroluv's picture

March 31, 2019 at 07:39 pm

This would be a awesome scenario. Trading back 2 picks and getting a third would be huge!!! Giants and Washington would want to get ahead if Miami. With this years draft being so deep overall....extra picks would be huge to trade up with or stock pile for 2020 as we are expected to lose Daniels, Bulaga, Martinez, Tramon Williams and Graham. Those are some big shows to fill.

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stockholder's picture

March 31, 2019 at 12:29 pm

I'd go up for Oliver or Wilkins @8, then take Simmons @30. The Trench is the fix for the next decade. Do it.

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Dzehren's picture

March 31, 2019 at 01:25 pm

If that actually happens,, GB could make Daniels a cap casualty. Take the 8M in cap savings & extend Clark, Martinez, Lowry. Imagine Oliver, Simmons, Clark, Lowry on the line.
You could also sign Wilkerson for 1.5M as a veteran rotational player.

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ricky's picture

March 31, 2019 at 03:08 pm

You plan on extending three guys with $8 million in cap savings? Good luck with that. Daniels is a FA next year; keep him around and let him go next year. Clark is going to be expensive to re-sign; Martinez and Lowry will get decent offers, but don't break the bank for either one. Good idea, just a year early.

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MarkinMadison's picture

March 31, 2019 at 04:12 pm

That is one magic loogie.

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Dzehren's picture

March 31, 2019 at 06:40 pm

Ricky- Daniels 10.7M CAP in 2019 is high if GB draft's Oliver or WIlkins @ 12 & Simmons (or another DL later). The 8M cap space would be beneficial in retaining Clark, Lowry & Martinez & don't forget Fackrell who had 10.5 sacks last yr.

From a salary cap perspective, GB has 3 needs.
#1. DL replace M Daniels 10.7M Cap
# 2. OL replace Bulaga 8M Cap
# 3 TE replace Graham 8M Cap
Graham would be cut in 2020, Daniels & Bulaga replaced either in 2019 or not retained in 2020.

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March 31, 2019 at 12:32 pm

I know this is a cliche to say and I know it’s not fair to compare him to any single NFL player. But if you’re Gute and you believe in your heart of hearts that he’s the next Aaron Donald. Then yes, absolutely go all the way up to 5 and get him.

Short of that, this draft simply has too much talent in the front seven to make a move for a guy who you project as a fringe pro-bowler. If you don’t think a player is a generational type then stand pat and let the board fall to you.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

March 31, 2019 at 12:45 pm

Except NOBODY can "know."

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ShanghaiKid's picture

March 31, 2019 at 01:03 pm

I agree that nobody can know, and that’s why I said, “If Gute believes in his heart of hearts.”

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EddieLeeIvory's picture

March 31, 2019 at 12:34 pm

Any of u think Hollywood Brown could be a quick playmaker for us?

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Johnblood27's picture

March 31, 2019 at 12:41 pm

no.

absolutely no need.

and he isnt that great, numbers in a pass happy scheme in a no-defense conference. Just say no.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 31, 2019 at 01:48 pm

He would be good though thought he was recovering from injury? Question would be where would he play and would he be a player to have a significant upgrade over who we already have? I dont see the value at the pick required to get him. Just my opinion.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 31, 2019 at 12:39 pm

Daniels, Lowry, Clark, Adams, Lancaster and three others already under contract. We normally keep 5 and one more on PS.

If we take any defensive lineman, I think it'll be on the last day.

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ShanghaiKid's picture

March 31, 2019 at 01:10 pm

It’s been pointed out in a few segments of Pack-A-Day that Daniels is on his last year and has been severely underpaid to this point of his career. If Daniels leaves that leaves GB with Clark and bunch of guys. They could definitely use another 3 down DL.

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PeteK's picture

March 31, 2019 at 04:37 pm

Lowry is more than just a guy and I think Lancaster will be good against the run.

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CAG123's picture

March 31, 2019 at 01:45 pm

Old School why do you continuously name guys that have made ZERO impact as a reason a certain position is stocked? You just suggested the Packers take a franchise QB if there is one available but wait don’t we have Kizer and Boyle at the helm?! I’m pretty sure at one point you were saying the Packers should go for interior pressure rather than draft a guy that’s “Good for 0.5 sacks a game” but now Lancaster, Lowry, Adams, and 3 other no names are enough?

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Leatherhead's picture

March 31, 2019 at 03:10 pm

Because you have to put a team on the field. A team. An entire team. And when you already have guys under contract at a certain position, and you don't have guys under contract at another position, then that's where you need guys.

As regards Kizer and Boyle, if you think the Packers can win games with them, then we disagree.

And yes, I'd rather have defensive linemen than edge rushers. And next year, if we don't resign Daniels and/or Lowry, then we'll need to get some more defensive linemen under contract.

Regarding Lowry and Adams, if you draft guys and then cut them before their rookie deal is done, you're not ever going to make much headway.

It's plain to me that we need a safety to start opposite of Amos. We don't have a starter at ILB opposite of Martinez (who is also in the final year of his rookie deal). We don't have any backup offensive linemen that I have any faith in. And we don't have anybody at QB we can win a game with behind our starter.

But no, let's draft a DL like Oliver because that's more important. Sheeesh.

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CAG123's picture

March 31, 2019 at 06:25 pm

Who says those guys have to be cut? They definitely have some 7th rounder or some undrafted FA in one of those spots. Building a team is understandable but in the same breath you say that Boyle and Kizer can’t win games (which wasn’t my point) you’ll say that Kyler Fackrell, Nick Perry, Reggie Gilbert, and whoever else are adequate STARTING edge rushers. You have to upgrade as well as build you can’t just have guys out there that’s been the Packers problem for sometime now they’ve had a roster full of JAGS. Also it doesn’t hurt to prepare for the potential departure of a certain player by drafting his replacement early.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 31, 2019 at 07:39 pm

Because you only get to keep 53 guys. We normally keep 5 defensive linemen. Daniels, Clark, Lowry, Adams, Lancaster. That's 5. So if we draft a DL, we're going to have to make room.

And last year Fackrell was more than adequate as an edge rusher. We were 8th in the league. He had double digits.

MY POINT is we certainly have weaker points on our team than the DL.

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GLM's picture

March 31, 2019 at 08:38 pm

Adams would be the odd man out, then...He still has a lot to prove to the team.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 31, 2019 at 10:04 pm

Yes, let's cut a 3rd round pick after two years. Teams do that all the time.

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April 01, 2019 at 10:27 pm

This should be a year where we can reasonably expect to see progress, then.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 02, 2019 at 08:20 am

OS,
As usual you make good discussion points. My philosophy is to draft the BPA when the Pack drafts. This will ensure continued growth as a team. If Oliver is there at 12 even though it is looking less and less like he will if he is BPA they should draft him. You are proposing the team pick for need. This is in part why the talent level on the team has deteriorated so badly in recent years. Why there has been so many misses.

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CAG123's picture

March 31, 2019 at 08:21 pm

No he wasn’t as we’ve discussed before all sacks are not made equal refer to Vic Beasley’s sack leading 2016 campaign for proof nobody cares about it once you look closely at how he obtained most of his sacks. Fackrell is the same will he be a great rotational guy? Yes of course but 6 sacks against two of the worst lines in the league and he can’t create pressure without being schemed free by Pettine is a problem if you’re talking about a starter on the edge. The Packers were in the top 10 in sacks in 2016 as well but you clearly saw how they were not able to create pressure consistently.

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PeteK's picture

March 31, 2019 at 04:41 pm

Lowry stats : 45 tkl ,3 sk, 3pd, 2tkl for loss. Most teams would that in a heart beat.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

April 01, 2019 at 01:56 am

GB sometimes keeps 6 defensive linemen. At the moment, Smith, Smith, Fackrell, Martinez and Burks are the only LBs really worthy of roster spots. That's five LBs. Maybe Gilbert or Donnerson show something. The only safeties are Tramon, Amos, and Josh Jones, who could be listed as a LB, I suppose.

5 DL clark, daniels, Lowry, adams, Lancaster;
3 OLB: smith x 2, Fackrell.
3 ILB: Martinez, Burks, Crawford*
4 Safeties: Tramon, Amos, Jones, Greene.
4 CBs: King, Jaire, Jackson, Brown.

19 roster spots so far. We have at least 5 - 7 more openings.

Campbell, jamerson, Looney, Donnerson, Fadol Brown, plus 6 or 7 rookies and some UDFAs.

Defensive roster spots are available. Greene is a bit iffy but I counted him. Lancaster and Fadol are not necessarily much different than Ringo and Price, and GB survived without them. Actually, I like all four of those guys, and Ringo and Price are still in the NFL, though not as mainstays.

The distribution might not be ideal, particularly since Za'Darius can move inside on passing downs. Still, GB really needs another safety who can play early, another CB, ILB, and OLB. I'd be okay with grabbing two OLBs in the draft, but a stud DL and OLB would be fine.

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carlos's picture

April 01, 2019 at 09:13 am

Forgot about Crawford. Heard they were high on his upside.

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April 02, 2019 at 01:25 am

And I forgot to mention Gilbert, and to explain the asterisk after Crawford's name. I meant that he is a good bet based on ST ability, but if he develops enough to be a rotational guy or better at ILB, even better.

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Handsback's picture

March 31, 2019 at 12:40 pm

I doubt either Wilks or Oliver will be there at 12...but they will have options. I still like Simmons, when healthy he's another Q. Williams. Ferrell would be a good pick-up, as well as Gary. So lots of choices!

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

March 31, 2019 at 12:48 pm

Thumbs-up for Ferrell.

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March 31, 2019 at 01:12 pm

If Wilks and Oliver are both gone I’d prefer Burns, but that’s just me.

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March 31, 2019 at 04:50 pm

How many OLBs do we need. We just spent millions on two. I'd take a stud T before an OLB.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

April 01, 2019 at 01:57 am

More.

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April 01, 2019 at 08:49 am

Thumbs down for Gary.

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Swigganz's picture

March 31, 2019 at 12:43 pm

I think if GB trades up, it would be to #7 overall with the Jaguars. If there is a player they covet that they feel the Lions may take at 8, they'll jump up and take him. In effect taking someone away from a division rival and improving their roster. That said, I hope they stay at 12 and take the best players available with there picks in the top 50 selections.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

March 31, 2019 at 12:51 pm

No trading up. Trading down (with a good deal) is fine. More swings increases the success rate, especially in the first two rounds, and we have a lot of positions that could use upgrades.

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March 31, 2019 at 01:13 pm

Except when you trade down you miss out on All-Pros like James, therein lies the rub.

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Demon's picture

March 31, 2019 at 01:19 pm

Once again, the "more bites at the apple" cliche. That is completely worn out. Ted liked more bites at the apple. Only when Ted finally took his bite the only apple left was a horse apple.

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Jonathan Spader's picture

March 31, 2019 at 04:39 pm

Does that make White Tornado a crab apple?

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carlos's picture

April 01, 2019 at 09:17 am

But extra bites in the first two rounds could be productive.

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April 01, 2019 at 09:16 am

Agree Packeyed

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March 31, 2019 at 12:52 pm

If he is there at 12 he should be the pick, however, I dont think we should be trading up for him. Dline and edge are 2 of the deepest positions in this draft. Add to that there may be 3 QBs, an O lineman, and a receiver taken before us. A defensive difference maker will be there at 12 if we are patient. If its Oliver so much the better. Brian Burns, Devin White, Montez Sweat, Wilkens, they all can't be chosen before our pick.

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March 31, 2019 at 12:59 pm

Not at the cost of both 1st rounders. The way it's looking, even if we stand pat, someone really talented is gonna be there at #12 just because of the sheer numbers. I think we take that guy at #12.. hell if anyone of those blue chippers makes it past #18 you trade #30 and #75 and maybe a 5th and get them regardless of position.. then nail #44 and we're in great shape!

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April 01, 2019 at 03:35 pm

YES!

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porupack's picture

March 31, 2019 at 01:23 pm

Two Strategies seem better to me than a tradeup in round 1;

I. If GB does any trading up, it should be going from 4th and 5th rounds down into 3rd or 2nd rounds. In that way, you jump the comp picks at end of 3rd round and seems it costs you less draft capital to go from the likelihood of JAGs to likelihood of better-than-JAGs, solid players. Spend a 4th and 5th...and get another pick in bottom of 3rd round.

II. Go for Jeff Simmons in lower 2nd round by spending a 4th to move up from #44. In that way, you effectively get a top 10 player, and it costs you a late pick.

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SpurgeonsCigar's picture

March 31, 2019 at 01:25 pm

Help me understand. I am not seeing the urgency to trade up for Big Ed. Let the players come to you at 12. There will be a number of awesome choices. Why trade draft capital at this time. I would prefer to see them move up a bit at 30 if possible if they have targeted someone. In any case it would be a great day if we go Hockenson at 12 and then traded up to get Josh Jacobs the RB from Alabama. Wow....would that infuse some energy in to the offense. Then get a safety in the second. I would light up my cigar in this scenario.

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Duneslick's picture

March 31, 2019 at 02:26 pm

Packer Greg says Josh Jacobs ran a 4.60 forty at his pro day in which times always seem to be faster than the combine. Slower than Jamal Williams. Not a first or even a second round pick.

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SpurgeonsCigar's picture

March 31, 2019 at 09:09 pm

I guess I should put out my cigar.

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GLM's picture

March 31, 2019 at 08:42 pm

There won't be any running backs taken in the first round this year by the Packers...it's a deep class, and none are good enough to out-value other players the team will be considering.

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April 01, 2019 at 02:01 am

I was nodding agreement until you advocated for Hock at 12 (turned to a maybe/sigh) and then starting shaking my head with Jacobs at #30, particularly if GB needed to trade up to get him.

I agree that there will be several players at positions of need worthy of a the #12 pick so there is no need to trade.

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pakmann's picture

March 31, 2019 at 02:16 pm

It all comes down to the things we as fans are not privileged to those intangibles that only become evident with personal interviews and doing your homework on an athlete. We see the test results on how fast and how far or high an athlete can jump or run. What are those intangibles like is he coachable, who does he run with or is he married and ready to settle down. If he test out and passes all the intangibles I'd package 12 and a couple not in the second for a move up. You can find offensive lineman that need time to develop but defensive players can step in and produce immediately..

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March 31, 2019 at 02:17 pm

I think we should stay put, and hope Devin White, Oliver or Bush falls. If not, then take Hockenson. One of those will fall to 12, and any of the first three are generational players that transform your defense.

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Minniman's picture

March 31, 2019 at 02:18 pm

In 4 very short years Green Bay is going to be one of those QB needy teams that we all chuckle at now. As many have posted above, this is a deep draft for front 7 D and is set up to give the Packers 3-4 quality NFL players without having to compromise draft position. Having seemed to have done sensible things in FA, stay the course and let other teams reach. Pick up future year's draft capital if the price is right as its going to be needed soon.

Re Oliver, I haven't seen any tape that markedly differentiates him from Simmons [in terms of potential] so why reach for Oliver when an equivalent player will be there at about #30?

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 31, 2019 at 04:26 pm

If Grier or Stidhem were around in the third, Gutekunst would have to consider choosing one of them. He may have to sell the Kiser deal for another year to balance the loss of Damarious, playing FS for Dorsey.

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Minniman's picture

March 31, 2019 at 05:04 pm

An interesting point. I personally never got the Deshone Kizer fandom. He was moderate when he played for Notre Dame in College and I can only estimate that NFL execs thought that he'd mature into a game managing QB, who with the right team assembled around him could be solid.

Having said all this it will be interesting to see how he and Boyle go this year in a new offense (when called upon)...... I have to keep reminding myself that it's going to be a tactically somewhat different offense this year, and this may suit he and Boyle better.

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GLM's picture

March 31, 2019 at 08:45 pm

I would like to see another QB drafted to provide some real competition for the #2 spot.

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mrtundra's picture

April 01, 2019 at 09:08 am

Who is going to reach for Oliver? Many mocks I've seen, have him falling to the Packers at #12, so, no need to reach. In those same mocks, The Devins are already off the board by the time GB picks at #12. If Oliver is there at #12, we should take him.. There are several TEs in this draft. Hockenson or Fant may be available at #30, if Gute wants to go that way. None of the QBs in this draft are worthy of any of the Packers' picks, IMO. I say stay put in the draft and watch the talent fall to Gute at #12 then grab a need at #30.

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TheBigCheeze's picture

March 31, 2019 at 02:38 pm

DO NOT TRADE UP.......if Oliver is there at #12, snap him up....otherwise, go with BAP......

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Qoojo's picture

March 31, 2019 at 02:53 pm

I wouldn't chase guys that moved up due to pro days. I look at that as an inflationary increase. Pro day should just confirm the assessment already made or drop the player from consideration based on performance.

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GLM's picture

March 31, 2019 at 08:47 pm

Oliver's Pro Day didn't cause him to move up. He was already a consensus top-10 pick.

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Qoojo's picture

April 01, 2019 at 12:14 am

"A month ago Oliver was more likely to be available when the Packers pick 12th overall, but after his impressive pro day, he may not make it out of the top 10."

Just commenting on this.

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GLM's picture

April 01, 2019 at 09:53 am

Depends on who you talk to. He wasn't ever likely to be there at 12. Many are hoping he will be there.

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Since'61's picture

March 31, 2019 at 03:04 pm

I would not trade up for any player unless the team needs a franchise QB and a player like Andrew Luck or Dan Marino or Joe Montana were in the current draft.

Having said that I have not watched Oliver or any other player in this year's draft. I haven't watched more than a few minutes of college football per season since 1988.

Stand pat at 12 or trade down if we can make a deal that adds value and picks. I leave it to Gute and his staff. This is what they are paid to do. Thanks, Since '61

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Lare's picture

March 31, 2019 at 04:57 pm

I tend to agree. In looking at the various player rankings online everyone is all over the board as to where they have players slotted. That shows me that outside the top two or three, many of the players in the top 15 or so are somewhat equal and it just comes down to where teams rank players differently due to need, value and immediate production.

That said, I think the Packers can stand pat and get a really good productive player. They can also probably move up or back a few spots and still get a really good productive player, depending on what they feel their current and future needs are.

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Spock's picture

April 01, 2019 at 08:59 am

Since '61, You've exactly stated my own feelings about this draft. We haven't had a 12 spot in a long, long, time. Let the draft fall to you and I believe there may even be enough multiple good players to possibly trade DOWN a few spots. No way would I trade UP. The way Gute got our extra 1st pick for this year and STILL got J. Alexander makes me believe that he's not going to use draft capitol up. Gute needs to nail this draft and he knows it. I'm hoping that is what he absolutely does!

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SterlingSharpe's picture

March 31, 2019 at 03:07 pm

There will be a player on board when the #12 pick is up who will be a perennial Pro Bowl player. Whatever the position is, take him.

OLine, DLine, Linebacker, Tight End, WR, DB, any of those work.

BPA baby!

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wildbill's picture

March 31, 2019 at 03:39 pm

Was sick of TT trading down to get more “swings”, as bringing in a lot of JV players occasionally gets a playmaker but very seldom. Do not package our two #1s as first round choices are still hit/miss, and by having two we increase our odds of a real playmaker.

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MarkinMadison's picture

March 31, 2019 at 04:18 pm

Your logic is a bit self-contradictory.

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Cartwright's picture

March 31, 2019 at 04:33 pm

I see Gute trading back for Washington's 15th or to the fish for their 13th if a QB for them is there and get the guy we wanted anyway like we did last year, especially if the Dolphins trade places. Then wheel and deal the extra picks in the 3 and 4th rounds to move up and get who we want. Having that extra 1st puts us in the drivers seat.

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Johnblood27's picture

April 01, 2019 at 03:48 pm

what are you talking about?

The fins pick right after us.

they would NEVER trade us a 3rd or 4th to move up one spot when we obviously do not want the same player as them - a QB.

Washington maybe, or the NYG, they might want to go ahead of the fish to grab a QB. Haskins if he is still available would be a target.

IMO Gute should be making noises about how much he likes Haskins. That kind of smoke might even make the fish drop us some value to go ahead of us.

Where is the smarts in this GB front office?

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Packer Dave's picture

March 31, 2019 at 04:44 pm

We've had several years of terrible drafting prior to last years, i.e we aren't a missing piece away from a championship caliber roster. Not to beat a dead horse here, but stay put. I think Hockenson would add immense value to our new offense if all the blue chip D guys get snagged before 12 (which will probably happen with this qb class), the a top safety may be there at 30. If there is going to be a trade up that may be the one in play.

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albert999's picture

March 31, 2019 at 04:45 pm

Don’t trade up
let the talent fall in our lap because this draft has it

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MikeS's picture

March 31, 2019 at 04:55 pm

Enough talk with DL picks in RD 1. It is not an immediate need. Hock is the pick at 12. He is both a high value prospect, as well as a need. Safety at 30 and OL at 44.

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albert999's picture

March 31, 2019 at 05:09 pm

OL at 12
DL,S at 30
Running back/Special teams returner at 44

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

March 31, 2019 at 06:22 pm

I agree...or visa versa...#30 OL Dalton Risner ?? I need to look at more at the OL choices and Safety at #44.
#76 ? 3rd round Andy Isabella...slot wr.

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Spock's picture

April 01, 2019 at 09:05 am

Disagree that a TE in the 1st round is a "Need". You can run an offense w/ or w/o a TE in a play. I honestly don't get the love-fest over a TE. Maybe he is "generational" maybe not, the Packers have much higher "needs" at other positions IMHO.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

March 31, 2019 at 05:56 pm

obviously everybody knows that one hockenson at number 12 and that number 30 I would probably like an offensive lineman I've been hearing a lot about Dalton Risner and maybe one of the other lineman of course I would like Andy Isabella slot wide receiver the second or third pick preferably the third pick and maybe a safety with the second pick

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albert999's picture

March 31, 2019 at 06:00 pm

Dalton Risner would be a good pick i believe

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stockholder's picture

March 31, 2019 at 06:40 pm

Doug I have a interesting draft for you? @12 Burns. @30 Tillery @44 Brown @ 75 Sternberger. @115 EvansOl @119 Scharping OL Based on visits and rumors?

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albert999's picture

March 31, 2019 at 06:49 pm

Good solid picks my friend

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albert999's picture

March 31, 2019 at 06:54 pm

Tillery i think is the weakest link (off field/personally) especially that early
He was suspended for the Fiesta Bowl for violating team rules. Tillery's sophomore year again he had issues, shown by television cameras to be kicking and stepping on players in the team's loss to USC

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stockholder's picture

March 31, 2019 at 08:05 pm

His size is what is keeping him up. I would take Simmons first. Still based on visits and replacing Wilkerson. The packers checking out of Brown is interesting. My dislike is the foot surgery. Sweats Heart. Jace had a injury too.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

March 31, 2019 at 05:57 pm

I might not even be opposed to give our second pick for Josh Rosen or 3rd pick

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albert999's picture

March 31, 2019 at 05:59 pm

??????

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PAPackerbacker's picture

March 31, 2019 at 07:21 pm

No. Plenty of talent to go around. Keep the picks they have.

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zeroluv's picture

March 31, 2019 at 07:36 pm

Don’t trade up...let the draft fall back to you and then see if the Dolphins or Skins will trade up to top each other....the Giants can as well since they have the 17th pick. Either way....get the draft capital as this draft is deep with studs. In 2020 we will have Daniels, Martinez, Tramon Williams and Graham leave. We will need to restock in this draft because this coming season I expect the pack to have a back end draft picks in 2020.

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sam1's picture

March 31, 2019 at 07:37 pm

Hope Packers don't vary in their first two picks one iota!

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Pierre's picture

March 31, 2019 at 09:30 pm

Doesn’t make any difference who the Packers draft for this next season being a winning one...unless Aaron Rodgers is able to out play the opponents’ QB in the game...something he had a difficult time doing all last year. He needs to reverse his declining QB play trend in passing accuracy, holding the ball too long, and throwing the ball out of bounds far more than any other NFL QB...or the Packers will be once again remain a “middle of the pack” out of the playoffs team in 2019.

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zeroluv's picture

March 31, 2019 at 09:43 pm

His receivers were all rookies outside of Adams. Graham was new to the system. Rodgers will have a MVP year this year...mark my words...the defense will be top 10 easy. That’s why it’s important to draft well this year because the next few will be late picks.

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markgh1's picture

April 01, 2019 at 01:35 am

Stay at 12. A really excellent talent is going to drop to 12 or higher. You need those picks to add talent throughout the team. When you lost an entire 2015 class due to a lack of talent and attitude, you lost a lot of depth.

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Rick1's picture

April 01, 2019 at 09:13 am

Oliver is a tremendous talent and can become dominant. He would flourish in the rotation in that d lineman group. If he slid down to 8-10 then it would be a option to package a extra pick. The thing with 12 is they need a center piece stud because their is plan is getting back in the playoffs. That means later first round next year so get a 8 -10 year high caliber player. The best player available and trust your board. If they think he is a top 5 talent and can get him at 8-9 then Gutekunst has the ammo to move up. If they have Burns and Oliver and who ever else grade equally then stick to 12. It is about getting the best player- players to fill your roster when you pick.

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April 01, 2019 at 12:02 pm

No don’t trade up. In today’s NFL you have to be able to stop the pass. You can survive with dependable DBs if the QB doesn’t have time to throw the ball. Grab a pass rusher and then o-lineman. Alot of Brady’’s success comes from the fact he isn’t running for his life on every pass attempt. He still is great but if you put him behind the o-line Rodgers has had the past few years he is not seeing the playoffs either.

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