Should The Packers Pick Up Jordan Love's Fifth-Year Option?
GM Brian Gutekunst & Co. have until May 1 to decide whether to pick up the quarterback's fifth-year option, which is fully guaranteed.
By rex.sheild
The future of the quarterback position for the Green Bay Packers, both in the short term and the long term, is in flux, but the front office received two pieces of information earlier this week that they will file away and be forced to dissect, assess, and act upon at some point. First, during his weekly appearance on the Pat McAfee Show, quarterback Aaron Rodgers told McAfee that he would decide on his future in the coming weeks after he attends a four-day, four-night darkness retreat.
Second, according to Sports Illustrated's Albert Breer, the NFL circulated the fully guaranteed salary figures for fifth-year options for the Class of 2020 first-round selections to NFL teams. Four categories are utilized to determine the fifth-year salary figure: Multiple Pro Bowls (original ballot, being an alternate does not count), One Pro Bowl (original ballot, being an alternate does not count), Playtime (75% of snaps or greater in two of first three seasons; an average of 75% or greater over first three seasons; or 50% or greater over all three seasons), and Basic. For the players that only qualify as “Basic,” the fifth-year salary figure is “calculated from the average of the third to 25th highest salaries at their position over the past five seasons,” per OverTheCap.
Quarterback Jordan Love, the 26th overall selection in the 2020 NFL Draft, has played in limited snaps during the regular season throughout his three-year tenure. That means he falls under the “Basic” category for calculating his fully guaranteed salary for the 2024 season and, therefore, will make $20.272 million if the Packers pick up the option. The final deadline for that decision is May 1.
If the Packers opt to trade Rodgers before the draft, Love will be QB1, and if the Utah State product plays well or exceeds expectations in his first season as a starter, roughly $20.272 million for a quarterback of that caliber in 2024 is chump change. That is a big “if,” considering he has only played one full NFL regular season game. Further, if Love impresses next season, which again is a big “if”,” the Packers could sign him to an extension to lower the 2024 cap number, as Paul Bretl pointed out here.
Given the limited live action for Love, the Packers may roll the dice and not pick up the option even after trading Rodgers. New York Giants QB Daniel Jones' contract situation is be a good comparison for that scenario. The Giants declined his fifth-year option last season due to his poor past performance, but the Duke product had the best year of his career under the direction of first-year head coach Brian Daboll. Now, if the team wants to retain Jones, they must either apply the franchise tag (reportedly $32.4 million) or sign him to a new contract. The average salary would presumably be in the neighborhood of the franchise tag figure. (They could also start over with a new quarterback entirely.)
On the contrary, $20.272 million for a below-average starting quarterback is not ideal. The Saints signed Jameis Winston to a two-year, $28-million deal last offseason (an average of $14 million) to be the team’s QB1, or at the very least compete for the job. He started the first three games of the season before getting hurt, completing 63.5% of his passes for 858 yards and four touchdowns to go along with five interceptions. He also registered an abysmal passer rating (79.5) and QBR (32.7). After returning from injury, the Saints sequestered him to the bench.
If the Packers stick with Rodgers for the 2023 season, the math suggests that the Packers would not pick up the option. Plain and simple, paying $20.272 million for a backup quarterback is bad business.
In sum, I think that if/when general manager Brian Gutekunst trades Rodgers, the next domino to fall will be accepting Love’s fifth-year option. And then at that point, time will tell whether Love lives up to his first-round draft status.
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Comments (93)
PatrickGB
February 10, 2023 at 12:03 pm
I think it’s better to sign him to a longer term deal and spread out the cap hit.
TheVOR
February 11, 2023 at 10:54 am
Nope, why sign a guy with zero history of winning to a long term deal. If Rodgers leaves, you pick up that 5th year option, ride the rookie deal, and find out what I suspect I already know. Love is a 4-6 win a year QB.
There is all this optimism based upon the uncertainty of Rodgers. People are so tired of HOF QB Drama in Green Bay, that we're ripe to believe Love is somehow equal to or close to being starting NFL QB. Just because a player is "confident" doesn't make it translate to the field. ALL the same accuracy, ball security, and decision making issues that existed with Love coming out of college are all still on full display.
The Packers are in for a decade (or less if we're lucky) search for the next Baller QB in Green and Gold, and it's not Jordan Love. My 2..
HDbikerguy
February 11, 2023 at 01:22 pm
Just WOW...... You have zero clue as to whether or not Love can be a good to very good NFL QB.....why be so negative when you've really never seen him play.....
Coldworld
February 11, 2023 at 02:36 pm
Also completely mistaken on the motive for most seeking to move on.
Coldworld
February 10, 2023 at 12:06 pm
We will wait until Rodgers tells us what we are doing before we do anything at all. Murphy essentially conceded as much by saying there’s no deadline on Rodgers decision and apparently that precludes is making any.
“Packers president Mark Murphy said on Thursday that the team has not set any kind of deadline to hear from Rodgers about what he wants to do in 2023, but acknowledged that an earlier answer would be better than the alternative.
“There hasn’t been a deadline,” Murphy said, via Dianna Russini of ESPN. “The sooner the decision is made, the better. Brian Gutekunst, our G.M., has been in regular contact with him. I think Aaron is expressing that he doesn’t want to drag it out.”
Murphy said that he’s hopeful that Rodgers will make a call by the start of free agency in March, but the ball will remain in the quarterback’s court for the time being.”
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/02/09/mark-murphy-on-aaron-ro...
PackyCheese500
February 10, 2023 at 12:51 pm
If the Packers go "all-in" another year, all Murphy will be remembered for is underachieving by only securing 2 rings with 30+ years of HOF QB play and, at the very end, destroying this franchise.
Let's hope Rodgers comes out of his darkness retreat wanting to go somewhere else. It is the only way to stop this franchise from driving itself into the ground.
Bitternotsour
February 10, 2023 at 01:13 pm
Murphy was only involved with one of those super bowls. He'll be remembered for real estate development, a sled hill, and destroying the football operation in a crazy power grab.
BirdDogUni
February 10, 2023 at 08:13 pm
AR12 already said his decision would come before FA started on the PMS.
He was never going to interrupt Super Bowl week with an announcement. He said after his retreat next week and before FA, so that narrows it down some at least.
murf7777
February 11, 2023 at 08:21 am
Yes, even thou fans want info immediately his way is far better than Favre’s retire and unretire drama for three years. You don’t have to agree how Rodgers makes his decision, but given a determined timeline is welcomed. Have some patience, if he follows thru with his timeline, the Packers will have amble time to make theirs.
pantz_bURp
February 10, 2023 at 12:15 pm
I don't know anymore. I am as confused as I was two years ago. All I can say is WHEN #10 gets his chance to be the starter on the Packers, or another team... I hope he reinacts (the other #10, Bo Derek - the scene where she is running on the beach) that scene as he runs slo-mo towards the huddle to call the first play.
God speed #10...you will get your chance. When you do, don't look back!
PackyCheese500
February 10, 2023 at 12:49 pm
Either pick up the Y5 opition or (what I would prefer) lock him up for the next 4 or so years at a rate of 20.5m per year (or whatever his Y5 option is). The key to winning a Super Bowl is not having a QB hog up a ton of cap space. It is why the Eagles are so good this year and why Brady won 7 super bowls - he was willing to take pay cuts to make the roster better.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
February 10, 2023 at 02:43 pm
Packy,
I know you are a huge draft geek and wanted to share a simulated draft I had today should the Packers trade Rodgers for draft capital. Obviously, there are so many scenarios that could happen but this is an example of how trading AR might benefit the GBP's in just the 2023 draft. Yes, this is a hypothetical requiring a few trade partners.
1. Packers trade AR to Raiders for their #7 - # 38 & the #70th selections in 2023.
2. The Tennessee Titans (you could also exchange Titans with the Jets at #13 both who are seeking an upgrade at QB) who are looking for a QB see the following QB's are still on the board at # 7 such as C.J. Stroud, Anthony Richardson, Hendon Hooker, Will Levis, and Cameron Ward. The Titan's then trade their #11 & # 41 to the Packers for their #7 draft pick they had received from the Raiders for Rodgers.
In a nutshell, the Packers net picked up a #11 - # 38 - # 41 & a #70 pick in the first three rounds of the 2023 draft. Here is the incredible haul using the PFF draft simulator that I came up with. Trust me.....I would be very happy should something like this unfold!
#11 pick - WR Quentin Jonston
#15 pick - TE Michael Mayer
# 38 pick - TE Dalton Kincaid
# 41 pick - DL Mazi Smith
#45 pick - EDGE Mike Morris
#70 pick - T - Matthew Bergeron
#78 pick - S - Ji' Ayir Brown
This scenario would require two trades & obviously no guarantee. This is a hypothetical! Yes, there are some who might say the Safety should be drafted higher, but think of the size, athleticism, and speed added at WR & TE positions. Holy Hanna! Could you see those two TE's on the field at the same time with a huge Quentin Jonston and Watson? That would be the best WR & both of the best TE's in the draft, and we still address DL, Tackle, Edge, and Safety. For those who are very reluctant to trade Rodgers take a good look at some of the possibilities that would greatly help the Packers bounce back. Do you think something along these lines would not significantly help a young inexperienced QB like we have in Jordan Love?
Not only would a draft like this have a huge impact offensively helping Love, but also defensively. A draft like this with some success and I could see the Packers strongly challenging for the Division.
PackyCheese500
February 10, 2023 at 04:41 pm
IMO, I like this draft. Johnston is the #1 WR in the draft, and I'd love to get him, but I am sure the Texans will want get him at #12 overall. If we get him, it'll need to be before the Texans pick.
I like the selection of Mayer a lot, although if we are getting Kincaid too (whom I also like a lot) I would take an EDGE at #15 and then take Darnell Washington at pick 45. I think since their skill sets contrast more, they would pair better. Maybe we take one of Iowa's Lukas Van Ness or Kansas St.'s Felix Anudike Uzomah (my 2 favorite EDGE prospects) at #15.
I like Mazi Smith a lot as a run stuffing NT. He is just what we need. For the DL, I would either take him or Ohio State's Zach Harrison, an edge rusher who I think could be converted to a 3-4 DE.
This may just be me, but I don't want to be picking in the 3rd round! The 3rd round curse seems to be so persistent that I'd rather either use our 3rds to trade up or down. For Safeties I would prefer Boise St's JL Skinner over Brown, as Brown seems to lack instincts and has had some tackling issues. Skinner is very instinctive and is the physical tone-setter we need on defense.
I like Bergeron as a Tackle. Guard may be the bigger need, though
Overall I like this draft a lot though!
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
February 11, 2023 at 03:02 pm
The main point was...should AR be traded the Packers should get amazing draft capital allowing them to fill many needs.
murf7777
February 11, 2023 at 08:31 am
Packy, Brady did extend his earnings, but he still got paid very well in the long term. I would agree he was more cap friendly than Rodgers thou. Rodgers is more about getting paid the highest, ego stroked. Unfortunately for us Packer fans, Brady was the smarter of the two. Also, Brady was fortunate to have one of the best Coaches/GM in Belechick who understood how to create a Top 5 defense for his QB and a great game manager as a coach.
Of course, having less SC on a QB is preferred, but that only last so long. Certainly, it hasn’t hampered the Chiefs.
If the Packers think Love can be “the man”, I’m all for them extending a longer contract if it could be done anywhere near that figure. But, keep in mind, it takes two to tango and Love might feel differently and not accept such a low number, knowing full well if he has a big first or second year (if Rodgers is traded) he would be paid twice that amount.
stockholder
February 10, 2023 at 12:50 pm
Let's get 1 thing straight.
Every Scout said Devante Adams MUST
attach himself to Rodgers, to be great.
There isn't 1 Wr, Rodgers hasn't made better.
(If they were willing to put in the time; like Adams.)
With 3 rookie WRs. Love isn't Rodgers. It just that simple.
If Gute picks up the 20 mil. on Love.
He'll want more if Rodgers Leaves.
Also: They just showed the door to Rodgers.
There was No Job appreciation, No Voice, No Respect.
And a waste of a MVP, that deserved more than money.
PackyCheese500
February 10, 2023 at 12:53 pm
You realize Rodgers just threw for the lowest yards in a season of his career and that the Packers didn't have a receiver with more than 788 receiving yards this year, right?
stockholder
February 10, 2023 at 01:08 pm
Give the credit to the OL
Dropped passes. Wrong Routes.
And the regression throughout the roster.
Cheezehead72
February 10, 2023 at 02:26 pm
If Rodgers could move the OL would have been fine. If Rodgers was willing to take what the defense could give him instead of always looking for the home run pass then he might get more and the OL would not have to block so long.
Yes the receivers did not help by dropping passes but part of that is on Rodgers. How about all the times Rodgers did not pass it to the open receiver. He is paid as a top caliber QB so he needs to play as a top QB. If he plays this next year the Packers will finish about the same.
Johnblood27
February 10, 2023 at 02:53 pm
If I had Mark Murphys job for one day I would...
1) trade AR for as much as i could get
2) force MLF to fire Joe Barry and revamp the coaching staff.
3) revoke your stock.
maybe NOT in that order...
crayzpackfan
February 10, 2023 at 03:09 pm
Stockholder - I'm being very sincere here. I also fully understand that what I wanna ask you is none of my business, so you absolutely do not need to feel obligated to my questions. Again, I'm being serious. I'm just trying to put your posts into context. My questions are.... What is your age? How long have you been a Packers fan? Are you regionally invested in the Pack(1st, 2nd, 3rd generation fan with Wisconsin roots)? I'm just stumped by your posts. You don't strike me as just some dumb, stump posting crap on the internet. However, you seem so fixated on viewing GB through a microscope (A single player, a single coach), while excusing the larger picture. I guess if I could put this into one thought, you seem so willing to sacrifice the many to preserve the one. God bless you. Glad you are a Packer fan. But rather than give you shit, I'm trying to understand where you're trying to land your plane here.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
February 10, 2023 at 09:52 pm
Theres no landing gear on SH's plane.
stockholder
February 10, 2023 at 10:07 pm
Bart Starr was my hero growing up.
I do remember his QB sneak.
I went through the Tuff years.
And don't like rebuilds.
I did subscribe to the Packer Report.
Ray was Awesome! As was his draft coverage.
The Packers were "Family."
It's now a business.
Johnblood27
February 11, 2023 at 07:45 am
I agree 100% with this list, it is as if I wrote it.
When did you take that left turn at Albuquerque? What's actually up Doc?
BirdDogUni
February 10, 2023 at 11:08 pm
And we all thought you were the crayzpackfan...
Since'61
February 10, 2023 at 04:21 pm
Not to mention that Rodgers played through thumb, knee and rib injuries for most of the season. But apparently that doesn't matter either. If Love is ready why wasn't he starting while Rodgers was injured? Thanks, Since '61
PackyCheese500
February 10, 2023 at 04:34 pm
Because MLF bows down to Rodgers. How would it look for the rookie that hasn't played in 3 years to be starting over the 50 million former MVP? MLF is concerned about that type of thing
Coldworld
February 10, 2023 at 04:35 pm
When there are too many why? Issues, it doesn’t point to an answer but it certainly indicates there is a problem, a significant one. The Packers have far too many why? issues to be in the right track or even close to it.
Since'61
February 10, 2023 at 05:01 pm
Exactly Coldworld and the why? issue with Rodgers is just one of many. Thanks, Since '61
pete-nado
February 10, 2023 at 07:19 pm
Maybe for the same reason Nixon was sitting while Amari was dropping kicks.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
February 10, 2023 at 09:53 pm
Did you see the nearly 5 whole games he played prior to getting hurt? Didnt look much different after the injuries.
Since'61
February 11, 2023 at 08:33 am
RTS - that is exactly my point. The offense was struggling early in the season with the rookie WRs and OL musical chairs. Rodgers thumb injury was the perfect opportunity for the HC to start Love. The Packers may have won the games against the Jets, Commanders and Lions (first game) if they had started Love against those teams.
During those games Rodgers thumb could have healed and the Packers would have gained a much better sense about whether Love is in fact ready to play. They squandered their opportunity IMO. I don't understand how the FO can claim that Love is ready and then not play him when Rodgers is hurt. They publicly claim Love is ready and then when the time comes for him to play they keep him on the sidelines. If they had played Love their would be no doubt over whether should be traded and to move on to Love.
Of course Rodgers would want to play. Any player would want to stay on the field and play. But that's when the HC (adults) need to step up and make the decision to put the players in the game who give the team the best chance to win. Matt LaChooch did not do that and in fact may have cost the Packers 2-3 wins in 2022. Those games if won put the Packers in the playoffs. The fact that MLF didn't act in the best interest of the team is yet another sign of his weakness as an HC. No excuses. Thanks, Since '61
Oppy
February 11, 2023 at 12:35 am
It's no different than all the countless times Favre was injured but Rodgers (or whoever) didn't play.
It wasn't Rodgers isn't ready; it's Favre refused to sit... at least partially because he feared Rodgers WAS ready. Favre learned his fear because he took Majkowski's job when he went out with injury... and never took another snap again.
Rodgers refused to sit because Rodgers feared allowing Love an opportunity could result in the end of his career as the starting qb for the GBP.
Since'61
February 11, 2023 at 08:01 am
If Rodgers refused to sit that is a coaching problem. Coaches need to put the best players on the field to enable their team to win the games. If they don't or won't do that they shouldn't be coaching the team.
If a player is hurt and we have a healthy player for that position the healthy player should be in the game.
Thanks, Since '61
croatpackfan
February 11, 2023 at 08:36 am
Since we, posters almost at 99% level already agreed that MLF does not have b*lls to make that type of decisions and that he is subservant to ACR. Even you have agreed on your several posts in the past.
Now, you have the answer.
Is that fear in ACR that he might lost the job? I say yes. And that fears started after the finish of 2020 season. ACR can, no doubt, recognize QB talent. And he saw that Jordan Love has strong arm, adequate training and studying habits and that he will soon become real threat for him as he is in decline. That is what produced that outburst before 2021 draft and all that drama before 2021 TC. After he got rights that not belong to QB, he cooled down. Second MVP title in the row gave him more leverage and I suspect he was prepare to leave Packers. To prevent that they offered him exsisting contract he was not able to refuse. I believe they are rising the amount until he said yes.
And I also believe that BG was the only one against that contract, but that was Mark Murphy, "we are not idiots" and "I do not meddling in football decisions (ha, ha)", decision and order to be executed.
What I also believe is that ACR is very well aware that he, after he singed that contract he will have no chance to win another SB. But money is there.
Also, I do not believe he will go to Jets. He do not want to follow Brett Favre steps. And if they agree "mutualy" for trade, he will chose Riders, because he want to enjoy last season(s) for him to play football - connected with Davante Adams.
What is hard to predict is what will happen if ACR decide to play, and to play for Packers. I'm not sure Brian Gutekunst will stay with Packers. That would ruined his future possibilities to be GM for any other franchise. But who knows what was promised to him and others and what will be.
Since'61
February 11, 2023 at 11:00 am
Croat we agree on this but we arrive at it from different perspectives. I don't blame Rodgers for wanting to play even with an injury. In fact I want players who want to play rather than players who take the easy way out of the game.
However, when a player is injured and that injury is having an impact on the player's performance and the team performance then it is up to the HC to replace that player with a healthy player. It should not matter that the injured player wants to keep playing. At that point it is up to the adults, the coaches, to step up, sit the injured player and replace him with the backup player. Particularly when they are claiming that the backup player is ready to play.
IMO, the Packers treated Rodgers, Love and the rest of team unfairly by not playing Love while Rodgers was injured. There is no excuse for MLF not playing Love and no excuse for the FO including Murphy for allowing that to happen. They exposed Rodgers to further injury, prevented Love from gaining valuable experience and hurt the team's chances to win games. All of which are the opposite of how responsible coaches and management should be treating their players. Thanks, Since '61
Oppy
February 11, 2023 at 02:10 pm
Sure, it's a coaching problem, but let's be fair- it's a coaching problem that Mike Holmgren shared, too.. probably 9 out of 10 HC's in the league would fall victim to.
Benching a HoF QB who claims he can play is a hard thing to do for a HC.
Since'61
February 11, 2023 at 05:54 pm
Oppy - I agree but Mike Holmgren had Favre while he was still a younger player. If Rodgers was still under 30 years old and playing as well as did early in his career I would probably react differently. Younger players heal quickly and can play through the injury more effectively. We can refer to Mahomes playing with a high ankle sprain in the AFCCG 2 weeks ago. Or going back to Favre throwing 5 TD passes against the Bears with a serious ankle injury.
But Rodgers is 39 years old and he was struggling before he injured his thumb with the rookie WRs and the OL musical chairs. I'm not saying that it's easy to sit an HOF QB but that is part of the coaches job especially if Love is ready to play as they claim. Add to that the fact that Rodgers was sitting out practices during the week while Love practiced with the 1s. It was the perfect opportunity to give him a few starts.
Of course Rodgers will want to play. But is having him play helping or hurting the team? That's when and where the coaches need to step up. Thanks, Since '61
MooPack
February 11, 2023 at 06:29 pm
^^THIS^^
A player's legacy at the end of his career is pretty much all he has to hold on to. A team like the Packers that hold Legacies in such higher regard compared to other teams is definitely a part of this. We're talking about football royalty here. It can't be tainted. Rodger's fear is similar to what Favre's was. The emotion is that the younger QB is better at this time, skills wise, but I can't let that outshine my legacy yet. It's human nature. My mind may know more, but my body cannot react like it used to. When you get to that point in your personal life, you'll know what I'm talking about. The team FO has to recognize this. So far, It's trying to ride that tight rope not wanting to diminish either the team or player.
MainePackFan
February 10, 2023 at 06:55 pm
You realize the Packers won the Super Bowl with similar numbers from Rodgers.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
February 10, 2023 at 09:56 pm
MPF, are you really trying to argue that Rodgers was as good in 2022 as he was in 2010? I sincerely hope that is not the case. 2010 Rodgers actually played within the offense which allowed the other 10 guys to play in sync. Current Rodgers is just a drugged out hippy ad-libbing his way through games with no real plan on how to attack a defense. Just get to the line, run the clock down, make some hand signals that nobody understands, and not score points.
MainePackFan
February 11, 2023 at 05:40 am
RTS. I'm sure you would agree the the 2010 Packers were a much better team than 2022 Packers. 2022 Rodgers would still win a SB with that 2010 team.
Coldworld
February 11, 2023 at 08:26 am
With his decreased mobility, that’s actually a very interesting premise. On reflection, I’m not sure it isn’t more illuminating than you intended.
I do not think Rodgers 2022 version would have, while his 2010 version would have made us better this year.
MainePackFan
February 11, 2023 at 10:35 am
We have a difference of opinion on Rodgers' ability at this stage of his career. I see a QB that can still perform at a high level. We can agree that he doesn't move as well as he did as a young man, but I don't think mobility is what ultimately defines Rodgers.
Oppy
February 11, 2023 at 02:17 pm
You need to go back and watch the throws that 2010-2014 Aaron Rodgers was making regularly on the field of play, and then watch current 2022 Aaron Rodgers play.
Not anywhere close to comparable.
Young Rodgers was decisive, fearless. He put the ball into tight windows.. sometimes tight windows at two or three different levels before hitting the target.
He led WRs with confidence and trusted them to snatch the ball out of the air in front of them, allowing them to stay in stride and rack up yards after the catch instead of throwing low, at their bodies, or even behind the receiver, breaking their stride and often resulting in no opportunity for YAC. He threw ball adjusted for the WR, instead of throwing balls blindly at a point on the field and expecting the WR to be there.
He wasn't afraid of the middle of the field. He utilized all the space available to him.
What Rodgers is in 2022 is a good QB. what Rodgers was in 2010-2014 was an elite, historic QB.
There's a massive difference. Seriously, do a side by side. He's not nearly the same player.
MainePackFan
February 11, 2023 at 03:18 pm
Oppy, Rodgers still throws the ball as well as anyone.
"He led WRs with confidence and trusted them to snatch the ball out of the air"
I think you found the solution :)
Oppy
February 11, 2023 at 07:14 pm
That's simply not true.
Yes, Rodgers still makes a throw each game that impresses.
He used to make ridiculous throws on every drive.
He's not the same guy- and there's multiple young QBs in the league that outshine Rodgers every week.
MainePackFan
February 11, 2023 at 08:08 pm
We disagree Oppy. I am shocked :)
I never said Rodgers was the same guy as he was when he was in his prime. None of us are. What I am saying is he is nowhere near as bad as you tend to express in your comments. He still is one of the best QB's in the NFL.
The fact that you don't want him to be the Packers QB anymore doesn't change that. I have no objection if Jordan Love is our QB next year. If that's what the Packers feel gives them the best chance to win going forward, I will completely support that decision. Can you say the same thing if Rodgers is the our QB?
IMHO it's time to let the experts do what they do, and those experts are not hanging out at CHTV: )
Peace be with you my fellow Green Bay Packers friend regardless of what they do.
Oppy
February 12, 2023 at 09:09 am
All you have to do is watch what the young QB's across the league do every Sunday, it it becomes difficult to still call Rodgers one of the best QBs in the NFL.
As far as how 'bad' I say he is, I think he still had good arm talent. I think he's still got the arm to be a good-not-great passer of the ball. He throws poorly placed balls more regularly than a number of young QBs in the game today, but I suspect a measurable amount of those throws are intentionally thrown poorly because of Rodgers' fear factor. His extreme short throws have always been the worst in the league. Always.
My case against Rodgers is not so much about his ability to throw the ball. It's that when you put all the things together and add it up, I believe the negatives outweigh the positives. I believe we could do much better from the standpoint of leadership, locker room presence, decision making on the field, operation of the offense, and finding ways to get everyone involved in that offense.
I believe when Rodgers leaves, their will be a quiet, collective sigh of relief throughout the entire organization as the Packers move forward.
As I always say.. Rodgers is the most talented coach killer I've ever seen play the game.
MainePackFan
February 12, 2023 at 01:07 pm
"I believe when Rodgers leaves, their will be a quiet, collective sigh of relief throughout the entire organization as the Packers move forward."
Subjective, like much of what we post in here.
We may not agree on some things Oppy, but I do appreciate and respect your perspective. Thanks for the conversation. Enjoy the Super Bowl. Hopefully next year we will be watching the Packers in February, and I don't care if it's Rodgers or Love. GPG!!
pantz_bURp
February 10, 2023 at 12:54 pm
Stock, I like you...you are like Rudy on the internet. You got a BIG heart, I admire that.
Now...
"There isn't 1 Wr, Rodgers hasn't made better". Does that include the ones doing a down and in about 10-15 yards off the LOS?
Rudy, Rudy, Rudy .... 😁
Waitttt, Stock...you are a genius! You are patterning yourself after #12 right? Say something off the radio dial to get replies/attention. You are a sneaky one...you little devil you. ;) And, how do I know you are a real person and not an AI planted by one of the Packer's foes???
Oppy
February 10, 2023 at 01:46 pm
"Every Scout said Devante Adams MUST
attach himself to Rodgers, to be great."
pardon my french, but get the fuck out of dodge.
What are you talking about? 'Every scout'? GTFO. How about directing me to a source of a single scout saying this, that's a start.
This is the most bat-shit crazy thing I've ever seen you post.
croatpackfan
February 10, 2023 at 02:30 pm
Hey, Oppy, do not be nervous. Stockholder just finished his 4 day dark session and halucinated that he read that from every scout statements.
I have no doubts that at this time of the year all scouts just talk about Davante & Rodgers, who f&€k the draft and evaluation of draft prospects.
stockholder
February 10, 2023 at 10:16 pm
When Devante Adams was drafted.
The draft coverage stated that.
Either Write ESPN for the draft film coverage.
Or try the Library.
Oppy
February 10, 2023 at 11:58 pm
You're full of shit.
Supply the evidence.
No scout said "Adam must have Rodgers as his QB to succeed."
Pairing a player entering the draft to a single NFL player to make or break his career doesn't happen. This is drivel.
BoHunter
February 10, 2023 at 01:00 pm
Hopefully when Man Bun emerges from the darkness he realizes that his vision was black and goes to the Raiders. We should have traded him last year to Denver and reaped the windfall of picks the Seahawks received for Wilson. Time for the Love Boat to set sail and I’m all in. Thanks for the memories 12 .
BoHunter
JamesCullingham
February 10, 2023 at 01:12 pm
So Murphy concedes what Gutekunst and LaFleur have all but acknowledged: Aaron Rodgers is QB#1/coach/GM until further notice. That's no way to run a railroad or NFL franchise IMHO.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
February 10, 2023 at 09:47 pm
Thats no way to run a lemonade stand, let alone a billion dollar sports franchise.
Since'61
February 11, 2023 at 11:30 am
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stockholder
February 10, 2023 at 01:41 pm
According to NFLPA data,
the average salary for starting quarterbacks,
excluding those on rookie contracts,
is $32,036,681 per year.
Keep that in mind.
Oppy
February 10, 2023 at 01:47 pm
Keeping that in mind, that would make Love's 5th year an absolute bargain, and reinforces that Rodgers' contract is highway robbery.
Coldworld
February 10, 2023 at 02:22 pm
Since the formula for 5th year options is an average of the top 10 QB salaries in the prior year (performance bonuses don’t apply here), something seems off here.
croatpackfan
February 10, 2023 at 02:32 pm
Stockholder just finished his 4 day dark room meditation. All data he is giving us today are the result of those halucinations.
croatpackfan
February 10, 2023 at 02:32 pm
Double
Oppy
February 10, 2023 at 02:40 pm
It may be an average of all starting QB's entire contract value, which would include the ridiculous payouts at the end of many contracts which are not designed to ever be paid out but rather intended to force teams to re-negotiate, let go of, or extend the player's contract before it is expired.
Thegreatreynoldo
February 10, 2023 at 05:38 pm
It's long and boring. It is the average of the franchise numbers for the previous five years adjusted for the new salary cap limit for the non-exclusive franchise tag (the one everyone uses which = two first round draft picks if someone poaches). The exclusive tag means no one can contact or negotiate with the player and is the average of the top 5 salaries. OTC does not even provide this number. There is also the transition tag.
The 10th highest paid QB had an average of $40M (Prescott/Stafford in a tie). The 14th highest got $29.5M and the 15th at $25M is Brady. The 16th QB's average is $15.358M (Baker Mayfield) followed by Winston at $14M and Mariotta at $9.3M. Derek Carr ($40M) and Carson Wentz ($32M) will fall out of the top 15 and probably top 16 soon, though Carr might end up above Brady's $25M. Brady will fall off when he turns in his retirement papers.
Mayfield and Winston seem to form the market for guys who maybe if one squints he could be a QB #1.
$20.227M is no-man's land.
Oppy
February 11, 2023 at 12:38 am
Edited the post to include "excluding those on rookie contracts", I see.
stockholder
February 11, 2023 at 06:41 am
It was a cut and paste. Didn't change anything.
Look it up.
Coldworld
February 11, 2023 at 09:11 am
I did and it’s a complete apples and oranges comparison, with odd parts omitted as well.
For a first rounder who, like Love has not:
(1) been selected to the Pro Bowl on the original ballot, AND
(2) did not partake in at least 75 percent of his team’s offensive or defensive plays in two of his first three regular seasons, or
(b) play a cumulative average of 75 percent of his team’s offensive or defensive plays over the course of his first three regular seasons, or
(c) log at least 50 percent of his team’s offensive or defensive snaps in each of his first three regular seasons.
The 5th year option pays a base salary equal to the cap percentage average of the transition tag for the player’s position in his fourth season but using the 3rd through 25th highest prior year salaries paid to players playing his position, here QB.
TGR has summarized the transition aspect above. Love doesn’t qualify for performance escalators as he hasn’t played. They could have added considerably; Kyler Murray’s cap option cost this time last year would have locked at just under 30 million.
So now you know, no more excuses.
Leatherhead
February 10, 2023 at 01:44 pm
No, we should let our starting QB leave in FA after one season. That would be smart. I mean, we did spend all this time and money developing him, but we should just get rid of him and let Rodgers play forever.
Sheeeesh.
HarryHodag
February 10, 2023 at 01:57 pm
Spot on Leatherhead. It reminds me of all the folks back in the day who wanted to unload Rodgers and keep Favre around until he was 50.
No one here or elsewhere can make a fair judgement on J. Love now as he hasn't played enough recently in meaningful games.
But if Rodgers returns don't be surprised if Love asks to leave. He could potentially start for some other team. Sitting behind His Highness another year proves nothing.
One of the more bizarre things rattling through my mind is for the Packers to say Love is the starter next year and Rodgers is the backup! They have to pay Rodgers anyway. He will likely want out and it will force the inevitable(and necessary) split from the Packers.
ricky
February 10, 2023 at 05:37 pm
This is exactly right. And if the Packers choose to trade Love rather than take the salary cap hit for Rodgers. And since that salary cap hit could be spread over two years, that makes it slightly more palatable,
Rodgers does not have a no trade clause in his contract so he could be traded to a team as well. The timing of the option should give the Packers all the way until the end of training camp to move him. The cap charge here would depend on when he was traded. If Rodgers were to be traded prior to June 1st the Packers would take on a $40,313,750 cap hit in 2023. If he was traded after June 1st it would be a $15,833,570 cap hit in 2023 with $24,480,000 due in 2024. This assumes that the Packers did not exercise the option before the trade. If the option is exercised then the trade number spikes to nearly $100 million. There should be no need to exercise the option until the last possible day.
The idea of Love demanding a huge contract his first year as a starter is absurd. What leverage does he have? Who would overpay for an older, unknown, rather than simply draft a developmental QB, and find a veteran who would be willing to tutor him? The alternative would be to keep Rodgers, and wait on pins and needles while he spent his off-seasons issuing cryptic messages, and having to replace him in a year or two.
Leatherhead
February 10, 2023 at 05:59 pm
"""If Rodgers were to be traded prior to June 1st the Packers would take on a $40,313,750 cap hit in 2023. If he was traded after June 1st it would be a $15,833,570 cap hit in 2023 with $24,480,000 due in 2024. This assumes that the Packers did not exercise the option before the trade. If the option is exercised then the trade number spikes to nearly $100 million""
A very nice summation. Thank you. The question I have is "could any of those numbers be affected by any concessions Rodgers might make"??
Because, for example, if two teams, like the Jets and Raiduhs each made a strong offer, could Rodgers offer to make some concessions in order to get traded to one, and not the other?
Coldworld
February 11, 2023 at 09:21 am
Rodgers can redo the contract within the CBA parameters at any point if the Packers agree. He’s free to play on veteran minimum terms if he wants. I don’t believe that the Packers can undo anything classified as already paid for cap purposes (signing bonuses), but otherwise they are free to agree whatever they want. Rodgers could equally sign a minimum contract the day after a trade. That wouldn’t help us but he could take any burden off his new team. Of course he’s not likely to do anything as significant as that, but he is free to.
Cheezehead72
February 10, 2023 at 02:20 pm
I say no because they can always use the franchise tag on him. Yes it will cost more but if they use the 5th year option that money is guaranteed starting 1 May this year so if he is hurt and cannot play in 2024 he still gets paid.
But Murphy and Gute must ask Aaron what they should do as they have allowed him to take over the team.
Coldworld
February 10, 2023 at 02:24 pm
I do not think you can tag once the option is declined.
Cheezehead72
February 10, 2023 at 02:51 pm
Yes because he would be a free agent.
crayzpackfan
February 10, 2023 at 02:48 pm
"Should The Packers Pick Up Jordan Love's Fifth-Year Option?"
Yes.
Even if that means Rodgers going away?
Yes.
LeotisHarris
February 10, 2023 at 03:49 pm
Since this is such an important question to the future of the Green Bay Packers orgun-eye-zay-shun, I dusted off my best prognostication tools in hopes of being of service to my fellow fans. Please keep in mind Love will be 25 years old on 11-2-2023 (a Scorpio, and sum of those numbers is 2036), will be in his Enemy Year, and was born in Bakersfield, CA (area code 661).
Okay, so I started with my Magic 8 Ball: "Reply hazy, try again." That's been it's default for about the last 16 years, so no big surprise. Undeterred, I went to the basement, dug the Ouija board out from under the couch and posed the aforementioned question. A plethora of answers were not forthcoming. In fact, the planchette didn't move even a tiny bit. So, I walked over to my neighbor, Larry's, house and asked him. Larry is 83 years old, served in Vietnam, still *shovels* his sidewalks and uses a roof rake to clear snow from his roof. Larry said, "Ya, they will. What the f*ck else are they gonna do?"
I'm with Larry.
murf7777
February 11, 2023 at 08:43 am
LOL
Since'61
February 10, 2023 at 04:29 pm
For those of us who are of a certain age I think that our CHTV album is skipping again. Can someone please either move the needle, or flip the record or put on a different one? Please? Thanks, Since '61
TXCHEESE
February 10, 2023 at 04:31 pm
As our beloved late LB coach Kevin Greene said "It is time!" Look, Rodgers was a great QB for many years, but it's time to move forward with the original plan with Love taking over. Last year they tried to run it back and it just didn't work. The absolute best you can hope for from Rodgers is a couple of maybe pretty good years...father time always wins. After that you're back to square one, but in much worse shape cap wise. I have a hard time believing Love won't seek to leave if Rodgers does come back.
Love, due to a much smaller cap hit, gives the Packers the best shot to retain talent and with whatever the Packers can get for Rodgers, add some talent to those areas lacking it. If you have to, restructure Aaron Jones' contract, but keep him in GB and lean on the run game more than they did last year, and take some of the pressure of of Love.
GPG
Oppy
February 11, 2023 at 12:43 am
No idea why this would have any down votes.
BAMABADGER
February 10, 2023 at 04:39 pm
When the dark room door closes, lock the door from the outside and throw away the key.
calabasa
February 10, 2023 at 05:09 pm
"Should The Packers Pick Up Jordan Love's Fifth-Year Option?"
who knows?
wildbill
February 10, 2023 at 09:32 pm
Trade Kizer 2.0 for a subway footlong and some chips. If you can find someone who will give you that much. Even moronic MM wouldn’t have given AR that crazy of a contract if Love was anywhere near being a starting NFL QB. They will talk him up and that’s all it is, cheap talk
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
February 10, 2023 at 09:37 pm
How did we get here? How did this team not only allow itself to become a hostage, but also refuse to run everytime they have a chance to escape? Do these guys not see the same games we see? Or do they only look at dollar signs?
ImaPayne
February 10, 2023 at 10:37 pm
FIfth year yes, long term deal without knowing what he can do NO
canadapacker
February 10, 2023 at 10:38 pm
I do not know what all this angst is about picking up Love's 5th year option - it is a no- brainer - YES . For 20 million not only is that cheap for a 5th year - but it is a great negotiating tool. They should do that even before AR comes out of his dark retreat in a yurt. It might put pressure on him to look for his trade partner ( already predetermined - it is the Raiders - with Davante). But even if - and it is a big IF - he decides to come back - that 5th year option is a good starting point for a team that needs a QB - at least they know the price. What was Jimmy G $16 Mill with a no trade no tag clause. Add that onto the 5th year option for Love so that he knows HE has the ball - whatever may happen with 12.
PhantomII
February 11, 2023 at 01:55 pm
Release Cobb, Big Dog, Trade Bak or release, Release Crosby. Pick up Love option. The rest will work itself out.
canadapacker
February 11, 2023 at 08:38 pm
Agree - except Bak can stay
egbertsouse
February 11, 2023 at 07:50 am
This week I watched coverage of Sean Payton’s presser in Denver. I loved it when he was asked about Russel Wilson’s personal entourage and said, “Uh, yeah, that’s foreign to me. That won’t be happening here.”
Don’t you wish we could have him as a head coach instead of Arm-Flapper? “Ayahuasca and darkness retreats. Uh, yeah that’s foreign to me. That won’t be happening here. We just put Aaron on a plane to Vegas.”
PackerGravy
February 12, 2023 at 12:13 pm
Of course, they have 3 years of development invested already, may as well see this thing through.