Rodgers' New Deal Likely Reduces His Trade Value

Forcing a trade will bring in lowball offers.

As Packer fans uncomfortably adjust to the idea that this is likely the last season in green and gold for Aaron Rodgers, one of the things that provides a little consolation is the prospect of the Packers getting a package of exciting draft picks when they do trade him. But in light of the new agreement between the three time MVP and the team, it seems there is a significantly new light cast on any possible trade.

As you probably know by now, the new deal voids the 2023 season on Rodgers' contract, giving him just two years remaining. It also pushes money out of 2021 to create immediate cap space. However, Overthecap.com now lists Rodgers' 2022 cap hit at over $46 million. That figure is prohibitive. The Packers simply couldn't function under that kind of burden unless they gutted the entire team next year. If they were to decide to keep Rodgers beyond 2021, they would have to renegotiate the contract again.

But Rodgers could, and probably will, refuse to renegotiate. That would force Green Bay to either take the exorbitant cap hit, or trade him. That's really no option at all. Even if the Packers did keep him and take the hit, they would lose Rodgers to free agency after 2022 and get nothing for him except a compensatory draft pick.

So a trade will be all but mandatory. Here's the thing. Other teams will, of course, know this. No doubt they will be low-balling the Packers with any trade offer. They will know Green Bay must move their star signal caller and will have to take whatever they can get.

Under those circumstances, it's hard to see Green Bay getting, for example, what the Lions got for dealing Matthew Stafford. The Rams gave up two first round picks, a third rounder, and their starting quarterback Jared Goff. True, Rodgers is in a different class from Goff, but he will be 38 years old by then, and will want a long term deal with guarantees. Will a team be willing to offer multiple first rounders, knowing that the Packers have no real choice but to dump Rodgers?

Or will an eventual trade look more like what the Eagles got for dealing Carson Wentz to Indianapolis? Philly received a second and a third. Again, Wentz isn't close to being in Rodgers' zip code, but that doesn't matter.

It's all about leverage. The Packers had all the leverage going into this season. They used it to bring back their future Hall of Famer for one more year. Come next spring, that leverage shifts entirely to Rodgers. If he decides he wants to stay in Green Bay, he can demand virtually any contract arrangement he wants. If he wants to leave, he can force a trade. And if he does force a trade, don't be shocked if the Packers have to settle for far less than his value.

Consider also that any team interested in trading for QB12 will have to negotiate a deal that would put him at or near the highest paid player in the game. Not every club will be able to afford that, which could further reduce the number of suitors.

Here's the good news. The best scenario for all parties is for Rodgers to have an outstanding season, maybe win another MVP and a Super Bowl. Both sides should be motivated to accomplish that. It helps the team because it would drive up Rodgers' trade value. It helps Rodgers, because it puts him in position to demand whatever he wants in 2022. And it would give all of us fans a season to celebrate and revel in.

Here's hoping it's a happy ending for everyone.

 

 

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Ken Lass is a former Green Bay television sports anchor and 43 year media veteran, a lifelong Packers fan, and a shareholder.

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croatpackfan's picture

August 02, 2021 at 06:31 am

And that is the proof how much Aaron Rodgers like Green Bay Packers and err or ... fans...

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TarynsEyes's picture

August 02, 2021 at 06:34 am

Likes and Wants are two different things.

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croatpackfan's picture

August 02, 2021 at 10:46 am

I agree. It is always the questions about prioroties...

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dekan51's picture

August 02, 2021 at 12:39 pm

it's just the business side of football.....

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CoachDino's picture

August 02, 2021 at 06:43 pm

I think that it's a valid point to say the salary cap hit and teams knowing that they really would rather trade him.
BUT...

We are talking about a NFL top Tier QB (hopefully). Have you seen what teams are willing to do to obtain just a shot at a franchise rookie QB that could be a bust. Do you realize the pressure on teams to obtain QBs when it is a season make or break proposition?
Question - Can the Packers add voidable years without negotiating? That spreads the cap out. I believe they just did that. Either way I respect the point made but if the Packers remain strong negotiators - which they have in the past and recently with the AR deal they will get their asking price, if reasonable. The key is having multiple teams bidding against themselves when evaluating how high the value could be. Teams now have time to make adjustments to enable themselves to be viable candidates. It's not just Denver anymore.

Denver, LA, Colts, Philly, Houston, Pitt etc... More if they would trade to NFC....

The other biggest issue as to obtaining the best deal has already happened, they kept him in 2021 ensuring he doesn't lessen the draft pick value of the team he is traded to.

He will get much more than Stafford, I'm surprised anyone would would think not. Staffords deal wasn't just valued at Staffords value but at having to take Geoff and his terrible contract. The Packers won't need to do that. So right there its a much better deal.

I think the point is valid to some degree if it's just one team, the question is how likely is that

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NickPerry's picture

August 02, 2021 at 06:33 am

Rodgers putting up crazy numbers, a SB win, a possible 4th MVP would ALL drive the price up for Rodgers IF he were to be traded. BUT, wouldn't his salary be $26,470,588 for 2022 no matter what or am I missing something? That's the base salary according to Sportac which if that's number I'd imagine teams would still be lining up for Rodgers, enough to bid against one another and drive the price up...At least some.

There's also the possibility Rodgers signs an extension in GB. Slim as that seems now, this team is LOADED. Rodgers CARES about his legacy. IMO leaving GB only reduces his chances of winning a SB next year. Perhaps a SB win and at the very least having Gutes ear next offseason and beyond might cure all. Say Rodgers and the Packers win the SB this year isn't there at least the possibility Rodgers would, could renegotiate a team friendly deal to win MORE SB's?

As disgusted as I was with Rodgers this offseason he still gives the Packers the best chance to win. The Packers FINALLY seem to have the defensive pieces to field a Championship Defense and if they play like one this year perhaps that's a start. Combine that with an O-Line that is HUGE, a dominant run game which I think is a no brainer, this team is actually ready to win more than just this year.

Then again maybe Jordan Love just BALLS OUT this preseason and continues to get better and better. IF that's the case then the Packers just have GOOD problems. I'm just going to enjoy this season. Championship #14 is coming in about 6 1/2 months!

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Guam's picture

August 02, 2021 at 07:36 am

NP: TGR is better at this than I am, but I believe the $26 million is the salary the acquiring team would pay provided they don't redo his contract. Green Bay is at $46 million because they pushed a chunk of his signing bonus into next year. I think the author is correct that the Packers either have to trade Rodgers or give into his contract demands next year because no team can handle a $46 million price tag for one position. They gave up their contract leverage over Rodgers for one last push at a Super Bowl.

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NickPerry's picture

August 03, 2021 at 05:47 am

Hey Guam... I had misinterpreted something in the story, I guess I was still half a sleep. BUT...That's what I was saying, the NEW team who traded for Rodgers would only be on the hook for $26 million which is totally reasonable, especially once his new team gave him an extension.

No worries, thanks for your comment.

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cuervo's picture

August 02, 2021 at 10:11 am

"As disgusted as I was with Rodgers this offseason he still gives the Packers the best chance to win."

I'm sure I'm in the minority, but to me when you shit all over the team I root for, the city you play in, and by association the State I live in, I have no use for you regardless of what percieved talent you have ( See Farve also). It will be a strange season for me during any games I choose to watch. Rooting for the team I support while actively rooting against the jackwagon we have behind center.

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Michael Nault's picture

August 02, 2021 at 10:47 am

I agree. and I really hope he gets steamrolled a few times this year,

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Bearmeat's picture

August 02, 2021 at 01:11 pm

If he gets hurt again and Love balls out in the time ARod is out, that is the BEST situation for us for sure.

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wsn's picture

August 02, 2021 at 02:02 pm

If Rodgers gets hurt it will impact a trade next year. I think best scenario is for Rodgers to ball out, and let love develop and learn from one of the best ever.

I agree with the post above, it would be great if they could find some way to renegotiate and keep this team contending for a few years more.

I'm looking forward to this year. It's been an exciting offseason, and I'm hoping for fireworks during the playoffs

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Nate-1980's picture

August 04, 2021 at 07:14 pm

Wow hoping for a player to get hurt, all you guys are great fans, should be ashamed of yourselves..

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croatpackfan's picture

August 02, 2021 at 10:54 am

Nick, what about injury? What is Aaron Rodgers would sustain injury or, God forbiden, carrier ending injury? Where will be Packers than? We must not forget that every injury is much more severe the older a person is, that it leaves stronger consequences for that person and that it is much harder to heal.

It is playing with the fire. Simply that!

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NickPerry's picture

August 03, 2021 at 05:49 am

Great point Croat... A point I'm hoping won't happen. That would be probably the WORSE thing that could happen.

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RCPackerFan's picture

August 02, 2021 at 06:36 am

Next year is a long ways away. I'm not worried about next year. We haven't even had 1 preseason game yet this year. I'm only worried about this year. The front office can worry about next year as it is their job to worry. Me, I'm just going to enjoy the ride this year.

If the Pandemic has taught us anything, its that we should really live in the now. Enjoy what we have, because who knows what the future will hold.

In football, 1 year is a lifetime away. Sure they make deals for the future, but we all know each contract can be changed at any time.

If Rodgers is gone, he is gone. Hopefully by then Love will be ready to take over. If not, and if Rodgers wants to come back, perhaps they renegotiate a new deal for next year. We shall see. In the meant time, I'm not stressing about the future. I'm going to enjoy the present.

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Crankbait's picture

August 02, 2021 at 07:31 am

What the fake pandemic has taught us is that at any moment the Democrat party and their globalist masters can take it all away from us at the drop of a hat.
This can be a very magical year for Packer fans as long as the team chemistry is good and the injury bug does not bite.
as a lifelong Packer fan I will be enjoying this season to the fullest as Aaron Rodgers cements his legacy as the greatest Packer quarterback since Bart Starr.

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Guam's picture

August 02, 2021 at 08:13 am

Fake pandemic? I am a lifelong conservative and have watched both President Trump and President Biden fight this scourge that has killed over 600,000 Americans. Keep your fake news crap off this site.

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Oz40's picture

August 02, 2021 at 08:17 am

You don't research much do you?

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PeteK's picture

August 02, 2021 at 08:53 am

Tell me, how dark is the Hershey highway?

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Guam's picture

August 02, 2021 at 11:02 am

Actually I do. I just don't believe every half baked news site on the internet.

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 02, 2021 at 11:50 pm

Q talk from another quack.

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Crankbait's picture

August 02, 2021 at 04:52 pm

You misunderstand me Mr. poopy pants and proclaimed conservative ?
It stopped being a pandemic in America BEFORE the presidential election was stolen.
It is now being purely used for control and political gain. Period.

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Guam's picture

August 02, 2021 at 10:43 pm

And now you resort to name calling. Delta variant anyone?

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RCPackerFan's picture

August 02, 2021 at 09:02 am

I'm not going into politics on this site. I keep this strictly about the Packers.

I very much agree that I think they can be a magical year! Injuries are almost always the key to a team's success. Just look at the 49ers last year for example.

If this team can stay healthy, this team can be hoisting the trophy at the end of the year. A lot can happen between now and then, but we do have the talent to get there!

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NickPerry's picture

August 03, 2021 at 05:55 am

"I'm not going into politics on this site. I keep this strictly about the Packers."

That's right RC, tell em! Imagine, Packers talk on a Packers site.

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Packerpasty's picture

August 02, 2021 at 10:05 am

jerks like you are the reason we may have to mask up again...go get your shots like a big boy...I bet you think "the big lie" is also truth...

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Crankbait's picture

August 02, 2021 at 05:05 pm

Ouch ! ☺️

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jurp's picture

August 02, 2021 at 03:24 pm

Scuttle back to APC, where you belong, dumbass.

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Crankbait's picture

August 02, 2021 at 05:06 pm

Ouch 😉

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scoonie_penn's picture

August 02, 2021 at 06:41 am

Counterpoint, a team thinking they only need a (HOF) QB to win a SB wouldn't dare low-ball an offer and wind up empty handed. There is a fine line that needs to be walked on a trade. If Rodgers puts up another big season, his trade value will still be substantial.

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Nate-1980's picture

August 04, 2021 at 07:21 pm

Agreed they’ll get a good haul for Rodgers for sure, nothing like the Wentz deal, I could see the pack getting more than the Stafford deal actually..

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stockholder's picture

August 02, 2021 at 06:47 am

I want Rodgers Back. I just don't care how much you hype Love. The contract can be torn up at anytime. Bonus money is the best way to sign your star. Free and clear.

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Duneslick's picture

August 02, 2021 at 11:59 am

What money 50 million in the hole

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TarynsEyes's picture

August 02, 2021 at 06:54 am

"Other teams will, of course, know this. No doubt they will be low-balling the Packers with any trade offer. They will know Green Bay must move their star signal-caller and will have to take whatever they can get."

This is likely true but will be dependent on how many teams will be in on the bidding. Depending on how these teams fair this season I would say it's possible that these are in the bidding.
Miami, Wash, Tenn, Oak, Det, Minn, Houston, Ind, Giants, Den.
A couple may get a QB in the 2022 draft but that still leaves more than enough probable to create a bidding war of sorts.

It would seem that the writer just wants to lay more of the FO failure on Rodgers by saying Rodgers will cost them return value with the trade.

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Guam's picture

August 02, 2021 at 07:52 am

Well said Taryn. While the Packers may be in the position of having to trade Rodgers, the price will be determined by how many bidders there are for his services. It only takes two to drive up the price and your list certainly indicates there will be at least two if not more.

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murf7777's picture

August 02, 2021 at 08:26 am

You can take Detroit and Minnesota off that list….there is no way in he** they trade him within their division.

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TarynsEyes's picture

August 02, 2021 at 08:55 am

Salary cap issues can make any deal possible. Besides, if the FO is wholeheartedly in love with Love, it shouldn't worry them, and playing against Rodgers to prove it should be we want to prove ourselves right, because the FO kept the better QB.

You cannot be afraid to face off against the player you wanted to be rid of, and if you are then not only did you make the wrong decision, but you now look like a punk.

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murf7777's picture

August 02, 2021 at 02:18 pm

First off, just because they might part ways with Rodgers doesn't mean they think Love is better than Rodgers. In fact, because they publicly stated they want Rodgers back over the past 4 months proves they don't think that. In addition, it was reported and Rodgers stating as much the Packers offered him an extension and he turned it down. Just because they made a mistake with the Love/Rodgers situation doesn't mean you make another mistake and try competing against him, who happens to be a future HOF.

It has nothing to do with being afraid, it is about being business savvy. As a NFL Franchise winning creates more revenue and ultimately profit. Do the Packers have a better chance at beating a Detroit team with Goff or Rodgers? I think the answer is obvious.

You trade outside of your division and hopefully outside you conference. It's good business sense.

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dobber's picture

August 02, 2021 at 08:38 pm

Add Pittsburgh and maybe Cleveland.

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 02, 2021 at 11:54 pm

He's not going anywhere before 2023-24.

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Nate-1980's picture

August 04, 2021 at 07:24 pm

Agree with your last sentence Taryn, but there’s no way in hell det or minn would be a spot he’d go, they don’t want to face him twice a year..

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Packers0808's picture

August 02, 2021 at 07:07 am

There is always retirement.

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LambeauPlain's picture

August 02, 2021 at 09:15 am

Rodgers says he strongly considered retirement this year. If the team were to win a Lombardi this year, it would not surprise me in the least if he hung up the cleats.

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Coldworld's picture

August 02, 2021 at 10:28 am

It would be the nearest solution and perhaps the best in terms of legacy, but it is a rare athlete who can walk away at exactly the right time from what has been their purpose in life since they can remember. Rodgers may well have plenty of outside interests beyond football, but do they grab him in the same way?

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CheesyTex's picture

August 02, 2021 at 04:08 pm

If he did retire, would that free-up $46 million of cap space for the Packers or would they still have to eat the already paid $ ?

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dobber's picture

August 02, 2021 at 08:43 pm

Any money already paid or guaranteed needs to be accounted for. Any annual salary or bonuses not incurred go away. In that sense, a retirement is just like the player was cut or traded.

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Johnblood27's picture

August 02, 2021 at 07:14 am

Repeat post from another column's comments...

Rogers is still a problem.

61 just laid the groundwork to blame MLF for Rogers continues to go rogue and upsets the scheme.

I simply do not believe that AR should be leading this team. He is a great talent, but he thinks he knows better than the coaches and GM and cannot be trusted to "Do Your(His) Job' and in a team sport that spells disaster. The passes will be crisp, the play action will be mesmerizing, the offense will hum along nicely until... a defense gets stiff and takes one thing away, then AR will revert, go his own way with play calls and tunnel vision on DA and RC and the team will stall and sputter. That will bring friction on all levels, management,, coaching, the locker room and with the fans.

He should have been traded back in March. This will not end well, AR was and still is, "The Problem".

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Jimbo1's picture

August 02, 2021 at 07:44 am

I agree that Rodgers is the problem but why trade him when Love isn't ready. I would have made him play or retire.

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Crankbait's picture

August 02, 2021 at 08:07 am

Damn , that is very hard to argue with.

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Coldworld's picture

August 02, 2021 at 08:12 am

The die was cast when they invested up to the gills in the rest of the roster. When Rodgers dropped his bomb it was a commitment already made, as he likely knew. In that circumstance, an alliance for a shared objective was always the most logical option even if the parties have no love for each other. Cooperate for an objective each shares.

That’s a gamble that the shared objective keeps both focused on that objective over the mutual irritants. Given that we were committed roster wise, it’s a gamble that both sides ought to have taken and thankfully did. If anything, recent events make it increasingly likely that it is a short term arrangement for more reasons than just cap.

Enjoy it and hope that it ends in a Super Bowl and a better price than we would otherwise expect. The chances of a true rapprochement are remote, even if feasible, if the gamble succeeds.

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Jgilmor08's picture

August 02, 2021 at 09:13 am

You were probably also on the bandwagon that suggested RODGERS was done the year before last.

26-6 over the last two seasons 8,299 yds 74 tds 9 int 66% comp 7.55 yds per pass

You know what, yeah I see what you mean. The guy needs to be gone yesterday. I see what you mean by impending disaster. Just look at what the media has said for years the guy is downright selfish. What type of A hole goes to bat for past teammates like he did? Others on the team can’t stand him, just look at the reports. That’s why Bahk got him a custom golf cart due to pure hatred.

Two years ago it was spelled out that he wouldn’t mesh with Lafluer and wouldn’t listen and do his own thing. It’s a good thing we aren’t using common sense and the example that’s in front of us to determine the persons ability and integrity. Instead let’s latch on to media reports grasping at nothing and completely whiffing on the prediction. Unless an MVP, two pro bowls, two NFC North titles, two nfc champ games is anyone’s idea of dysfunction maybe you should get some perspective on the reality instead of buying into whatever you’re told to?

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Nate-1980's picture

August 04, 2021 at 07:36 pm

Jgilmor well said my friend, Rodgers last press conference was way more light hearted, he’s not the problem.. He was the mvp of the league and his teammates and coach like him, he’ll have a great year this year.. God you guys on here sound like scorned ex girlfriends..I think there’s still a chance that management and Rodgers mend their relationship and he stays a few more seasons, we’ll have to wait and see..

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wsn's picture

August 02, 2021 at 02:13 pm

The MLF press conference showed MLF grinning ear to ear, and he looked very genuinely happy that Rodgers is back.

While Rodgers isn't perfect, but I'd be curious if MLF Agrees with the report.

The one thing I've taken away from this off season is that a lot of reports were rubbish.

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nostradanus's picture

August 02, 2021 at 07:21 am

So much for those fans who say the Packers never go all in!

The Packers are "Super Bowl or Bust" this season!

Is Rodgers gone after the season? Probably, the power struggle between the FO and Rodgers is very real and we could hear that from the tone of Rodgers & Gutey's pressers!

However, if the Packers have a memorable season, maybe Rodgers and the FO have a warm and fuzzy feel good session and they figure things out, renegotiate and Rodgers retires a Packer.

OK, the chances of that are slim, being as Rodgers now considers himself an activist for the "under-appreciated" pro athlete.

But crazier things have happened in the NFL, is it likely he stays? No probably not

Will the Packers have to take a low ball offer? I believe they have calculated that and figured they'd get a bit less than if they would have traded him this year yes.
Maybe 2 First Rounders and a Second Rounder.

Will it be worth it? The Packers are LOADED! So yes, yes it is!

ONE LAST RUN, SUPER BOWL OR BUST!!

ND

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TarynsEyes's picture

August 02, 2021 at 07:45 am

If, and I hate using the if thing, the schedule was closer to that of last season I would say the SB was much more achievable, and with that, in an SB or Bust thinking, I lean Bust at the moment, as I haven't seen any team camp play, and I simply do not trust the reporting because of the bias that is so often denied being aplied.

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Crankbait's picture

August 02, 2021 at 08:09 am

Just as stated in a previous post, we will the Super Bowl but only IF Rogers drops his bad habit of getting tunnel vision when pressured in close games against championship defenses.

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murf7777's picture

August 02, 2021 at 08:36 am

I’ve never been a fan of “all-in”, heading towards salary cap hell. Now that we’re here, I’m still not a fan. I don’t ever want to be the Denver franchise of the last decade. I like having the feeling that each year the Packers have a great chance of making The playoffs with a run for the SB. Throughout the years, all those playoffs games has given me great enjoyment, albeit ending with heartbreak.

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PhantomII's picture

August 02, 2021 at 02:04 pm

Gute made the calls. Not moving up to #20 for WR Jefferson, which would eventually be #1 WR replacing Adams highest paid WR desire. Holding off BAK deal until after the season and torn ACL, would FO have resigned him for highest paid LT? Probably not. Should we have reworked P. Smith or used Bak money on starting DL next to Clark and a starting CB. Should we have cut/ traded Lindsley before the draft last year and picked up a starting DL instead? Gute made all those moves and took the cap to where it is. Blame who you want but those are things to think about also.
Gute did make some pretty good picks in the draft overall, but I wish he had done it a little different. The team was in pretty sad shape when Gute took over. He had to make a lot of moves and cuts to get us competitive again. Hopefully we get a trophy this year or it is all for naught. If Love is not the post AR answer, it is going to get interesting in the FO.

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Jimbo1's picture

August 02, 2021 at 07:40 am

Rodgers is a diva 100%. Crying about the team that built one of the best Olines to protect him. Developed an actual running game and greatly improved the defense. Hired one the best young minds in the Leauge to coach. And we are talking about Love and Kumerow? Why? Because Rodgers is a diva.

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August 02, 2021 at 07:40 am

Rodgers is a diva 100%. Crying about the team that built one of the best Olines to protect him. Developed an actual running game and greatly improved the defense. Hired one the best young minds in the Leauge to coach. And we are talking about Love and Kumerow? Why? Because Rodgers is a diva.

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August 02, 2021 at 07:40 am

Rodgers is a diva 100%. Crying about the team that built one of the best Olines to protect him. Developed an actual running game and greatly improved the defense. Hired one the best young minds in the Leauge to coach. And we are talking about Love and Kumerow? Why? Because Rodgers is a diva.

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Coldworld's picture

August 02, 2021 at 07:47 am

Pre contract amendment the league already knew the dynamic. The contract changes are therefore pretty immaterial after the off season.

That said, I don’t care about next season. A lot can change before then. This is football. Rodgers could have a great year or a bad one by his standards. He could get hurt. The Packers could surprise in either direction. We are just guessing.

Let’s stop the endless speculation on the future of Rodgers and focus on camp and players and hope that all we need to talk about with Rodgers is related to on field activity until after the season when we might have at least a somewhat clearer view of how this accommodation played out and where everyone stands.

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dobber's picture

August 02, 2021 at 08:23 am

"Pre contract amendment the league already knew the dynamic. The contract changes are therefore pretty immaterial after the off season."

Thanks, CW. You beat me to this.

His current contract doesn't matter much. The Packers will have to eat the dead money, and the acquiring team will have to tear up his deal and give him a new one.

Nothing has really changed.

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Bearmeat's picture

August 02, 2021 at 01:12 pm

The important thing is that there is more than 1 team all in on acquiring ARod. They can compete against each other.

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HarryHodag's picture

August 02, 2021 at 08:04 am

I'm amazed at the folks who think the Packers should take the cap hit just to keep a guy who says he loves the team then kicks management in the shins...oh, and gets paid $30+ mill to do it. How many UDFA's do you want starting next year?

Those mean old Packers(sarcasm) will do the only thing they can: trade him, so get used to it. He isn't going to take a penny less, he isn't going to help the team, he just wants to be gone. Ok, have it your way.

Lombardi said 'winning is the only thing', but I suspect he wouldn't have tolerated his QB acting up like a frat boy.

Denver is still a viable option next year. I don't care if they only get one top pick for him, que sera sera.
He can do his Brett Favre imitation elsewhere and the Packers can move on.

BTW- Milwaukee-Journal subscribers should read an article they have today which analyzes the 12 players Rodgers says the team screwed over. Suffice to say if the team had followed GM Aaron Rodgers they would be battling Detroit for the basement.

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Swisch's picture

August 02, 2021 at 10:24 am

Good comment, Harry, and I appreciate the final note about the article. I don't get that newspaper, but hope to hear more about the players that Rodgers is so gallantly defending.
I'd also like to know if the front office was really so cold and calculating toward them as claimed by Rodgers so indignantly. What did they ask for at the time of their departure, and what did the Packers offer? How was it handled by both sides?
If Gute is the guy with whom Rodgers is so very angry at this time, how much was Gute involved in any of these prior cases, if at all? How has Gute done with players since he became GM in 2018?
I'm all for the Packers treating our players with the utmost consideration and kindness, and it's a good thing to reevaluate that essential dynamic from time to time.
However, we can't pay top dollar to players in their declining years. In the case of Rodgers, how many quarterbacks other than Tom Brady have been elite after age 38? It seems a huge risk to keep Rodgers if he wants to keep being paid at anywhere near his current level. It seems highly unfair to teammates and fans.
As Rodgers indicated at his infamous press conference, we keep the older guys largely out of loyalty to them, as well as the worth of their character and experience. We hope they're fairly close to their former athleticism, and that the intangibles make up the difference.
What seemingly happened at that presser, though, is that Rodgers showed disloyalty on his part bordering on betrayal, and thus lost his position as a leader of character.
Unless Rodgers is really right on target as far as his complaints against the front office, or unless he quickly makes amends for his reckless and/or delusional charges against it, then I think Rodgers should be traded right away if at all possible.
As best I can tell, he has gone out of his way to make himself a person of discord that is a drag on all involved with the team, including the fans.
Let's liberate him out of Green Bay.

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Harold Drake's picture

August 02, 2021 at 08:12 am

Excellent article. Your assessment and logic is impeccable. Rodgers has engineered his departure (unless the Packers win the Super Bowl) and Gutekunst will have to rely on Jordan Love to justify his premature jettisoning of Rodgers in favour of a No. 1 draft pick where the odds of JL's performing at an elite level are 20-25% if one goes back five years (this estimate also depends on various metrics used to determined "elite") and assesses the performance of 1st round QB picks. We can only hope that Rodgers continues his outstanding play and that the Packers can finally reach the SB with a team that is as strong and complete as it is likely to get under salary cap strictures.

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Coldworld's picture

August 02, 2021 at 09:05 am

Rodgers “engineered his departure.” Gute’s “premature jettisoning” of Rodgers. This is completely self contradictory. Sorry but if you just love Rodgers and he is what counts, at least own it and admit he can do anything in your eyes. If you think that any of Rodgers roster “wrongs” would have made this team better I do not know what to say to you.

Most of his “wrongs” were under TT. Only one of them was still in a significant roster role last year, Cobb. The reason that we are having this happen is in large part because we have what seems to be the strongest roster in years after the weakest when Gute took over. Of course mistakes have been made, but the fact is, Rodgers has his strongest and deepest looking supporting cast. Now it’s up to him. Gute has done his job.

Let’s hope Rodgers realizes that LaFleur is a major cause of his and our turnaround too and that that needs to continue to prosper. Rodgers is human not perfection on earth. If he wins it will be due to the efforts of Gute, La Fleur and his team mates in large part. Winning will require him to work in harmony with them despite his talent. If that doesn’t make sense I despair and can only wish those who start and end with Rodgers good fortune following his 2022 team.

As you do acknowledge, Rodgers has gone as far as he can to ensure that, as the team has to ensure that what follows is a major rebuild: the price of giving Rodgers that one last best shot. Fate may get in the way of that, let’s hope Rodgers does not. It’s his chance as much as it is the team’s.

Any winner needs luck and Love may yet need to contribute. Last season we had good health. That’s not a given, we have a chance not a certainty.

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murf7777's picture

August 02, 2021 at 08:13 am

Oh boy, here we go again, I thought we are over Rodgers and moving on’…..

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SanLobo's picture

August 02, 2021 at 08:25 am

Value is still determined by supply and demand. I expect Rodgers will be the only HOF QB available at the end of the year. I just read an article where at least 11 teams would be looking to acquire him. Even if it’s only 4 teams, that can start a bidding war. Some will try to low ball for him, but there is always that owner out there who will be convinced he is see their solution.

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Since'61's picture

August 02, 2021 at 09:16 am

Plenty can happen between now and the end of the season. Injuries, who else the Packers will release and/or lose to FA, their draft position (hopefully #32) and other personnel decisions. Since winning solves many problems an SB victory could result in improved relations between Rodgers and the FO. Which in turn could result in a contract extension or a new contract entirely.

There is no way the Packers are taking a $46 million cap hit on Rodgers or any other player so either Rodgers remains on a more cap friendly contract or the Packers will trade Rodgers after the season. The question is what will the Packers accept in return? If Rodgers wins another MVP and/or is an SB winner his price should remain relatively high. If not, the return will probably not be very high. Rodgers could also choose to retire.

Much of this has been and will continue to be blamed on Rodgers but the fact remains that the Packers FO has made all of these financial decisions with Rodgers and other FAs. It's SB or bust in 2021. After that regardless of the results there is going to be massive salary cap adjustments. Jordan Love's development is a factor as well. If he crashes and burns the Packers may want to keep Rodgers. If Love looks like he is ready to play then obviously Rodgers becomes expendable.

Since the Packers haven't even made it into pads yet in 2021 the best approach, at least for me, is to get through the season first and worry about 2022 when it gets here. Thanks, Since '61

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Coldworld's picture

August 02, 2021 at 10:14 am

I agree. The past cannot be changed and the future cannot be predicted. We are where we are and we need to know where that takes us. Apart from being divisive, this guesswork achieves nothing. Touch wood all you can and hope for good health and a focus on football and everyone leaving ego aside until the race is run.

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croatpackfan's picture

August 02, 2021 at 11:14 am

"The past cannot be changed and the future cannot be predicted."

You are absolutely right there. So one should hope for the best in the future and prepare as if the future will be the worst. The only way to avoid paying too high prices in the future.

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Nate-1980's picture

August 04, 2021 at 07:58 pm

As always well said since61, I still think that winning a super bowl( or Rodgers having a great year) could mend this relationship, but maybe he’s already decided he wants out.. If Love plays decent enough maybe gutes mind is made up as well..I just don’t see it as un fixable especially if Gute gives him more trust and respect.. I don’t see this villain other posters see in Rodgers, and he’s not my hero in any way either.. I see it as he wants the best shot at going out on top with at least one more super bowl victory, I would want the same for myself if I were in his shoes..

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jont's picture

August 02, 2021 at 09:37 am

FWIW
The Patriots received a third-round pick (96th overall) and a fourth-rounder (139th overall) when Brady and Kyle Van Noy (LB) left New England. As I understand it, the comp picks are based on total losses of players so it's not quite one for one on this.
In any case, even a 3rd and a 4th for Brady was a poor deal for New England.
To avoid Rodgers playing out his contract and walking with only a 3rd round pick to show for it is not what the GB FO would want. They have to trade him to get something reasonable in return.

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 03, 2021 at 12:06 am

Just like with Favre, a three pick.

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LambeauPlain's picture

August 02, 2021 at 09:45 am

I am trying to analyze how I would perform after working for my employer of 16 years, i knew they could not afford my services after this year...but would guarantee my salary regardless of performance.

If I made a few mistakes and my boss confronted me would I accept the coaching or blame others, make excuses? If the year did not go as well as planned, would apathy set in?

I know the consensus is Rodgers comes in and plays to near perfection. I think that remains a beautiful mystery.

I think it may have been better had he said "this is it...I will retire after this season."

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Alberta_Packer's picture

August 02, 2021 at 10:03 am

As in auctions - all you need is just 2 buyers who want the same item to drive up the price. - so I trust that it will be so should Rodgers be placed on the trading block after this season. However, what is unknown at present, is just how much say does he have as to what teams that he's willing to go to? Is there a limited trade list in effect? If so, does he have the right of final approval/refusal? Also, if he chooses to remain with the Packers after this season (because he's Aaron Rodgers) - can the FO over ride his decision? Should any or all of these conditions be live - it will most certainly affect his trade value.

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Swisch's picture

August 02, 2021 at 09:51 am

After the Rodgers press conference, because of what Rodgers said in the press conference, I think the front office should diligently try to trade him as soon as possible to a team that will truly appreciate him with a more enlightened and compassionate front office.
Let's do it for Rodgers, for him to be happy in his golden years of NFL football. He deserves it for being the wonderful person that he is, champion of other players who aren't as good as him.
All we'd like in return is a first-round draft pick, and one top defensive player. That's all. That's it.
Everyone is happy. Rodgers fans will be delighted for him to be liberated from the cold and calculating oppression of his current employers. They can follow his new team with giddy satisfaction.
I'll stick with the poor old Packers in the wintry wasteland of northern Wisconsin.
As a fan, I was only age five when the Lombardi Era ended, and don't remember a thing about it. I began as a fan in the 1970s and stuck with the team through those mostly lean years until the upturn in the 1990s.
I'm excited about the 2021 Packers without Rodgers, and without anyone else who want to leave with him. I'll gladly go with the guys who want to be here, and root them on with enthusiasm.
After the interminable holdout of sulking self-absorption by our quarterback, his infamous press conference of bitterness and divisiveness was the breaking point. All of this negativity for one more season. Nah.
Rodgers and out.

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Packerpasty's picture

August 02, 2021 at 10:09 am

as soon as possible is next season not this year...he's here for this season and its a good thing cuz Love is no where near being ready.

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Swisch's picture

August 02, 2021 at 11:41 am

Let's go with Love, and/or get a veteran quarterback such as Bortles to help with the transition.
It's gonna happen next year, anyway.
Unless there's a big turnaround by Rodgers right away, he has forced our hand. He self-righteously claims he can only have a professional relationship with the front office because those executives are so evil, perhaps especially Brian Gutekunst.
If the front office is so cold-hearted and clueless about players, either it has to go right away or undergo major reform. If Rodgers is highly exaggerating their evil in a discordant and divisive way, then he has to go right away or undergo major reform.
If Rodgers is indeed mostly wrong and unrepentant, as it seems to me, then trade him for his good and ours. If we have to, trade him for a fourth-round pick and the relief we'd get from unburdening ourselves of his contract.
Trading Rodgers now would make for a season that's a lot more fun without his self-important gloom hanging over Wisconsin. It may not be Hawaii and the posh enclaves where Rodgers has his getaways, but I've been happy in the past to vacation in Wisconsin many times. Besides, my family of childhood didn't have the vast resources of Rodgers to travel to tropical paradises. Even now, it would be a big stretch for me and my wife.
Plus, consider that trading Rodgers would mean we wouldn't have to talk about him anymore.

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 03, 2021 at 12:12 am

The only gloom hanging over Wisconsin, currently is the soot and smoke from numerous wildfires and the unholy number of un-vaccinated people circulating throughout their communities. Whining broken record, red hat foment will not help that situation.

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Nate-1980's picture

August 04, 2021 at 08:06 pm

Ummm Bortles and Love for a good season, I guess your” dream” is really a nightmare wow, worst take I’ve heard, just wow.. The season will be fine, the butt hurt overreacting here is immense..

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Swisch's picture

August 02, 2021 at 02:04 pm

All of the conditions for Rodgers coming back to the Packers a week ago are seemingly null and void because of Rodger's poisonous press conference.
In other words, Rodgers forfeited any rights to have any say as to when he would be traded and where.
Unless he makes a big apology, let's trade him and be done with his melodramatic ways.
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First Rodgers holds out for apparently no good reason and leaves us all hanging. Then he does come back, he roils the waters by claiming that there was a noble purpose in his protest of protecting his teammates from being further exploited by a cruel front office.
Either Rodgers is right in trashing the front office, or he is a deceitful/delusional jerk posing as a protector of others for his own selfish interests.
If it's the latter case, this season is set up for probably a huge letdown at some point sooner or later.
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Rodgers could have been gracious in his press conference without having to say he was in total in agreement with the front office. He could have downplayed any continuing differences and stressed any positive developments -- like the recent signings of Bakh, Clark, and Jones, plus the trade to bring back Cobb.
No, Rodgers just had to be a self-righteous downer. If he is not mostly accurate in his dark portrayal of the front office, then he is terribly wrong and should be dismissed with a trade.
He's either a hero to the rank-and-file players of the Packers and the NFL at large, or he's a dead weight that will likely bring the team crashing down around him.
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Perhaps I'm off on my assessment, and hope I'll admit it if I am. I'm a big fan of Rodgers from before his first season as a starter way back in 2008, but he has instigated this mess.
Here we are talking about Aaron Rodgers once again. It's hard not to. He chose to prolong the off-the-field intrigue indefinitely with his depressing presser. It's on him.
Probably the only way to stop talking about Rodgers ad nauseum and to focus on the rest of the team, it to rid ourselves of Rodgers. I wish him well.
That would be a big relief to me, even aside from the cap space.

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PhantomII's picture

August 02, 2021 at 10:04 am

Rodgers wins another MVP and Super Bowl. Wether he Re-signs a fresh deal, Retires or moves to another team, it's his choice and his performance will dictate the options. This is as loaded a team as we have seen in many years. It's time to shine and time for ML to tweak his offense to take advantage of the slot and Hback positions more frequently. Our Defense should be called more aggressively and their is a lot of speed over there. It's going to be a good year for football. God bless America!!!! GPG

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Alberta_Packer's picture

August 02, 2021 at 10:15 am

That's the part that's uncertain to me - is it first and final Rodgers choice? This would imply that he has all the leverage. I'd be surprised if the FO surrendered their total leverage in this situation.

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PhantomII's picture

August 02, 2021 at 10:34 am

He's already gotten a player of his choice, a year off his current deal and a no tag agreement. I want a SB...The rest makes no difference to me. If he retires w/ another MVP and SB, finally decides to get married and start a family or redoes a contract or press for a trade. SB or bust, no matter how you want to look at it. The rest is what it is.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

August 02, 2021 at 11:07 am

That's fine - I think that all Packers fans want the best possible outcome for this year. I was just seeking clarification to your statement - "Wether he Re-signs a fresh deal, Retires or moves to another team, it's his choice..." As I read it, it seems that Rodgers has all the leverage in any further contract actions. As I have not seen or read anything that suggests this contractual shift - I was wondering what was your source?

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croatpackfan's picture

August 02, 2021 at 11:21 am

And what if he will not win MVP and/or SB? What than?

What if he will be injured, what is possibility, at least at 33% level! What than?

Who can guarantee you that Packers will win SB this season?

Who guarantee you that Aaron Rodgers will follow MLF instructions and play calls? What if he will not? What than?

MLF is one small step from losing a team that should rule ...

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PhantomII's picture

August 02, 2021 at 11:53 am

I'm not AR or the FO. This team is built to win now so, some good players will not be on the team next season.
I don't think injury possibility is 33%, but still anything can happen. No guarantee on SB or MVP. No guarantee AR goes with ML play call. I don't know what the % of changes AR makes as far as called plays....and neither do you.
This is what I do know. We do have a much harder schedule this year against some pretty good teams. I do believe AR is very motivated to get to the dance with his boys Adams/Cobb and win. We have nearly all players back from previous season. Every season things can go either way. I choose to believe enough things go right that we should be able to compete for a trophy one last time before we have a mini teardown and a big decision to make with our QB1, WR1 which will affect several other players as well due to the cap issues. I don't think AR is back on the team next year if we don't win SB and it's 50/50 he retires at that point or is traded to another contender. If we win SB I think there is a chance he is extended by FO and honestly that's probably 50/50 they would or him accept it. All this drama is draining and maybe to him also. Maybe he retires regardless. We will see any way it plays out.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

August 02, 2021 at 10:16 am

There is no way Aaron plays anywhere with that cap number. It will have to be renegotiated whether he's in GB or not.

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albert999's picture

August 02, 2021 at 10:29 am

Let’s win the Super Bowl and go from there

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Michael Nault's picture

August 02, 2021 at 10:43 am

Trade him now. I have totally not forgiven him for his non verbal complicity this spring and after his press conference, he can go and get backed over by a bus

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BuckyBadger's picture

August 02, 2021 at 10:51 am

It is his last year with the team. The Salary Cap tells the story. They can't afford to keep him and Adams is on his way out as well.

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wildbill's picture

August 02, 2021 at 12:51 pm

Love = Kizer 2.0, hope I’m wrong but doubt it

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CheesyTex's picture

August 03, 2021 at 06:22 pm

Hope you are wrong too. Kizer was thrown into the fire (by a not very good Browns team) without any chance to learn the NFL game. At least Love has the benefit of bench time to learn -- and that worked for #12.

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Nate-1980's picture

August 04, 2021 at 08:13 pm

Right there with ya wildbill, gonna have to wait and see

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geronamaker's picture

August 03, 2021 at 09:52 am

I've always thought the idea that the packers will receive some huge haul of draft picks and starters for Rodgers to be farfetched.

He will be 39 next year. And as a quarterback who relies on his ability to maneuver around and out of the pocket when plays break down (as often happens against the very best defenses) those skills continue to erode year by year due to age and the increasing quickness of younger pass rushers. Against SF and TB the last two NFCCG Rodgers appears to be running away from the pass rush in slow motion compared to the pursuit.

In my opinion Watson (at least pre-massage revelations) and Wilson both retain better trade value based on their age-related physical superiority coupled with very good (if not quite Rodgers-like) passing capabilities.

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