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Report: Tramon Williams Agrees to Deal with Cleveland Browns

Cornerback Tramon Williams—Joe Nicholson, USA TODAY Sports.

Cornerback Tramon Williams—Joe Nicholson, USA TODAY Sports.

After making a free agent visit on Sunday, Tramon Williams has reportedly reached an agreement with the Cleveland Browns, according to Adam Schefter of ESPN:

Ian Rapoport of the NFL Network shared some rough contract details shortly thereafter:

The Packers reporteldy offered Williams a two-year deal worth $8 million, which Williams rejected, seeking more in terms of both money and years.

Williams certainly appeared to get more security in his new deal from the Browns, although it will be interesting to see how the contract is structured, how much guaranteed money he got and whether the Browns can release him down the road without much of a salary-cap hit.

Green Bay moves forward with significantly less depth at the cornerback position than they did last season considering they previously lost Davon House to the Jacksonville Jaguars.

If there's a silver lining, it's that the Packers have a good core of cornerbacks returning, including Sam Shields, Casey Hayward, Micah Hyde and Demetri Goodson.

With Shields returning as one full-time starter, the big question might be whether Hayward can become a three-down player capable of lining up both on the perimeter and the slot.

"It's not even a question, 'Can I do it?' It's just when I get an opportunity, a chance to do it, I'll be great at it," Hayward said on Cheeshead TV's Railbird Central last week.

Hyde would appear to fit as one of the team's slot cornerbacks, although his ability to play on the outside is more questionable than Hayward.

Goodson, meanwhile, is being groomed as a perimeter cornerback with good speed and ball skills, he just lacking experience after what was essentially a reshirt season as a rookie in the NFL.

At 32 years old, it doesn't appear as if the loss of Williams will get the Packers a compensatory draft pick.

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zoellner25's picture

This team is about to get a whole lot younger. Now I have to look at CBs in mock drafts. ughhhh.

aj's picture

My favorite corner in the draft is Jalen Collins of LSU, the kid can ball.

Allan Murphy's picture

good pic ranked #38 how strange is that T.W 's old # :)

L's picture

The Draft of course will be one method to add to our team's CB depth, but I say let us also look at bringing in CB Sterling Moore who is just 25 years old and played fairly solid as the 3rd corner for the Dallas Cowboys last year and saw his role increase as the season wore on. He's a RFA who wasn't tendered by the Cowboys which should make him the equivalent of a Street FA even though he'll be listed as an UFA IIRC. As a Street FA he's someone who won't count against the Pack's compensation picks. He should be able to compete for a game day role and I don't believe it'll cost us too much to bring him in; however, I could be way off on that guess -- maybe it takes a fairly big signing w/ notable amounts of guaranteed money to bring him here in which case I'm sure TT is best to decide on whether or not he's worth it.

HankScorpio's picture

I thought House got crazy money. Tramon is a better player but his age meant he should have gotten less than House, IMO. I guess he did because House got a longer term but Tramon beat House's per year average. Good for Tramon. He's a true pro and deserves whatever someone will give him.

And good for Casey Hayward who gets a chance to back up his assertion that he's not just a slot defender.

HankScorpio's picture

I saw some beat writers post that QB rating against on twitter. I had no idea he allowed such a big number. That's really bad and explains why the Packers did not budge on their offer, even after House signed with Jax.

Again, good for Tramon that he got that contract. And good for the Packers it wasn't from them.

Nick Perry's picture

Haywards rating in his rookie year was off the charts if I remember correctly wasn't it? He had a rating of 31.1 against him his rookie year, best of all CB in the NFL that season. I know it was in the slot but you gotta think this is what Ted is thinking about letting House and Williams go. Well that and the enormous amount of money paid to each. Jacksonville had like $70 million in "Cap Space", they can afford to throw stupid money at just anybody. Williams is actually a good signing for the Browns, Haden follows the #1 WR each game, Tramon will have the #2 in most cases. Worth $21 million though? Nope! Like you said thanks Tramon, you helped us win the SB and completely turned the Divisional game against Atlanta. I can still hear Joe Bucks call that the Falcons "Just got Burned" as Williams was running for a TD!!!

Allan Murphy's picture

That will change our draft pic now :(

PackerAaron's picture

Which one? The Packers have seven right now and will get at least one compensatory pick later this month.

JimTaylor31's picture

Congrats to Tramon. He was a team-first guy and a good Packer. At his age I can't blame him for taking the money. Now we may have a problem. I think we may miss having a veteran DB. Draft or no draft I am leary of inexperienced DBs when we are in good positon for a SB run. I'm still confident Ted will get it figured out but right now we have a hole in our secondary.

aj's picture

That's where the safeties will become ultra important, and I think we have a very good pair back there. Also, I've been saying that Hayward deserved an opportunity to take the boundary corner spot this season even if house/tramon were brought back. Now, we'll likely get to see that plan being put to action.

HankScorpio's picture

Agreed that there is a hole in the secondary without House or Williams. Heck, I think this puts some leverage in Jarrett Bush's corner. He's been sneaking on to the field on defense more and more lately and not prompted the howls from fans that he had been prompting every time he got any kind of snaps.

But there is not a single position coach in GB that I have more confidence in than Joe Whitt Jr. He's cranked out solid player after solid player at CB. Williams and Shields were UDFA. Hyde was a 5th. House was a raw 4th that managed to get big $$ from Jax after Whitt coached him up. He's made Bush look like something other than a disaster when he plays. Maybe Whitt can get Demetri Goodson and/or Tay Glover-Wright ready to play by this fall. I think how the Packers respond from here will be largely dependent on a no-BS assessment from Whitt in what he's got in Goodson and Glover-Wright.

White92's picture

Listening to Wayne Laravee on WTMJ last night I heard him saying that Whitt really likes Goodson. Obviously they wouldn't have cut the other kid late in camp last year if they didn't. But Laravee was saying Whitt thinks Goodson compares to Shields when he was a rookie. Hoping he's right!

aj's picture

How do you figure he won't return a draft pick,his aav is 7/yr? That's higher than House's aav.

HankScorpio's picture

I think comp picks are based on first year pay. I'm guessing House got more than Williams there but I haven't seen either deal broken down. Usually that is about signing bonus and House got 4 yrs, not 3. So House likely got a bigger bonus.

I'm not aware of any age-related disqualification of the comp pick formula per se. But there is a loophole that applies to some older players in some situations. If a veteran sign for the vet minimum with no SB the team gets what amounts to a rebate in terms of cap space. This was done so veterans would be on more equal footing with younger players in terms of cap hit. If a veteran signs using that exemption, he doesn't count in the comp pick formula. Clearly Williams does not fall into that category.

aj's picture

I'm pretty sure aav is more important than the structure of the contract in the comp pick formula. Tramon should net us a 4th next season assuming someone like mason foster isn't signed.

HankScorpio's picture

There is no official word on how comp picks are awarded so I'm not going to pretend to know between first yr compensation and total yearly average. If the best guess is yearly average, I'm not going to argue.

It would mean Tramon brings in a better pick next year, Which is a good thing for the Packers.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

House was inconsistent but he definitely flashed the ability to be a starting outside CB. He had some very good games. Hayward's ratings might not translate to outside CB. GB used Hayward in situations that fit his skill set well (that's good coaching). Time will tell whether he can be equally as good outside. I think GB can "get by" with Shields, Hayward and Hyde, barring injury. No idea what to expect from Goodson, though I liked his raw talent.

Clay Zombo's picture

Age. Over 30 or 10 yr vets I believe dont factor into comp pick formula.

Happy for Tramon for finding the deal he felt he deserved, im gonna miss him though.

HankScorpio's picture

According to the NFL press release announcing the 2014 picks, some of the players considered were over 30. In particular, Ed Reed is well over 30. Wes Welker is 33 right now. He was counted.

https://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/03-24-14-compensatory-picks...

Clay Zombo's picture

GB should get Sterling Moore in for a visit before he signs with the Steelers or someone else. He reminds me a lot of Micah Hyde, just a good football player.

Ibleedgreenmore's picture

Its ILB and corner those are prime to me better plug the middle get back the beef up front.

Evan's picture

Hate to see a strength of the team become a question mark so quickly.

At the same time, can't fault TT for not matching/surpassing either deal.

jh9's picture

Now that Williams and House have left, I think it's important to sign both Raji and Guion. The reason I say that is that we need now to address ILB and CB with our first two picks in this year's draft. We can get starting caliber players in the first two rounds. If we have to draft a starting NT, we would have to do it with our first pick and whoever we get in the 3rd round (most likely a CB) it will take a year or two before he is ready to start.
I like Hayward, but I don't trust his hamstring. I think we need to draft a CB who has the ability to take over for Hayward if he physically can't perform.

aj's picture

I know ilb is an important need for the team, but starters can be found in the 4th round.I'm more worried about getting the big boys early in the draft, along with a developmental cb at some point.

jh9's picture

I agree. The big boys are important. However, I believe we need to take the best ILB with our first pick. Ideally, I would like to see TT trade down out of the 1st round and get an extra 6th or 7th round pick and take our first draft pick in the 38-40 spot. Stephone Anthony should be available there.

In the 2nd round at #62, we could get CB Alex Carter from Stanford or Byron Jones from Connecticut. Both of these guys have the talent to eventually start in year one.

As for the big guys... OT Cedric Ogbughi from Texas A&M should be available in round 3 and DT Leterrius Walton from Central Michigan should be available in the 4th round. Both these guys have the talent to start but not for one or two years. If the Packers resign Raji and Guion, we'll have both the offensive and defensive lines covered for this season and these big guys can spend the first year transitioning to the NFL and step in next year if need be.

jh9's picture

Although I agree that we shouldn't take an IBL with a 1st round pick, we may be forced to. The problem is, is that I don't believe the best ILBers will be available when the Packers pick in the 2nd round at #62. I believe the best ILBers will be taken in the first half of the 2nd round. That's why, ideally, I would hope we could find the right trade partner to trade out of the 1st round at #30 to the 2nd round at 38-40 to get Anthony. Then at #62 we can get a quality CB like Carter or Jones.

Nick Perry's picture

Can Thompson play inside in a 3-4 defense? He's 6'0" 228 lbs and listed as a OLB on a couple sites I've looked at. I know he can play coverage and is capable against both RB and TE, just his size that scares me. I love the kid from Clemson Stephone Anthony, but his combine numbers will drive him up higher than he should be, not worth the 30th pick in the draft for sure.

Allan Murphy's picture

Best players on the board that's who Packers need to get first 4 rounds players able too start ...........

NewNikeShoes's picture

Kinda expected him to leave, and I did think that he should be paid decently, but this is hella expensive. I would have signed him for like 5 mil a year, not 7. On the other hand, we now have a 3rd/4th and a 4th/5th comp pick next year, so its not all bad.

Samson's picture

Are you suggesting that 4th & 5th round comp picks will vault us into another SB?

I hope not.

Packer_Pete's picture

Well let's look at who Ted drafted in either 4th or 5th round the last 3 years:
Bradford
Linsley
Boyd
Hyde
Franklin
Tretter
Bakhtiari
McMillian
Daniels

4 starters, 2 back-ups, 2 guys who are out of the NFL, and 1 (Bradford) who one cannot say anything about yet. 6 our of 9 either starters or backups playing on a regular basis is not bad at all, and a few of those players are really good. So I'd take my chances there and say that yes, a couple of 4th or 5th round picks for Ted is a very good thing and could bring the team closer to the SB...

barutanseijin's picture

Well,one thing you can say about Bradford is that he couldn't get on the field.

barutanseijin's picture

All i said was that the guy didn't get on the field.

Why so defensive, Stroh-kins?

Nick Perry's picture

David Bakhtiari (4th) and Cory Linsley (5th) turned out okay. Matter of fact so did Daniels (4th) and Hyde (5th). Damn Samson, don't you ever get tired of sticking your foot in mouth? BTW, he took one to the house against your Queens in 2013.

Samson's picture

ILB, CB and even the DL are now very questionable areas on the 'D'. ----For a team on the edge of a legitimate SB run, too many holes on just what was an average defense. Now this defense is even more average.

TT must be saving the $$$ for when AR retires. ---- Like it or not. This is season 5 since our last championship.

ben's picture

Wow, some objective thought. But really it's 1 championship in what will be 11 years, with the best Football player to ever play the game at the very influential position of QB.

Would Lebron or Tom Brady be happy with 1 ring in over a decade? Why are you?

FITZCORE1252's picture

Can't fault Tramon, can't fault Ted. That's just too much money for Tramon at his age, but kudos to him for getting what he could.

Shaping up to be a very defense heavy draft. Here's hoping Goodson takes a BIG step.

ben's picture

Sign:
#1:NT-BJ Raji, #2:RB-Dujuan Harris, #3:ILB-Colin McCarthy, #4:WR-Jarrett Boykin

Trade 1:
Saints Get: WR:DavonteAdams, S:HaseanDix, (2015 2nd Round)
Packers Get: CB:KeenanLewis, (2016 1st Round), (2016 4th Round)

Trade 2:
49ers Get: (2015 6th Round), (2016 5th Round)
Packers Get: TE:VernonDavis

2015 53-man Roster
QB: Rodgers, Tolzien, (7thRound:TaylorHeinicke-PracticeSquad)
RB: Lacey, DuJuan, Starks, Raijon Neal
FB: Kuhn
WR: Jordy, Cobb, Janis, Abbrederis, Boykin, (comp6thRound:DarrenWaller)
TE: Vernon Davis, Quarless, (comp7thRound:CjUzomah), Rodgers
OL: Bakhtiari, Sitton, Linsley, Lang, Bulaga, Barclay, Vujnovich, Tretter
DL: Daniels, Raji, (1stRound:JordonPhillips), Datone, Boyd, Pennel, Luther Robinson
ILB: Clay , Colin McCarthy, (4thRound:BenHeeney), Barrington
OLB: Peppers, Perry, Neal, Jayrone Elliot, Adrian Hubbard
CB: Shields, Keenan Lewis, Heyward, (3rdRound:RonaldDarby), Goodson
S: Burnett, Hyde, Richardson, (5thRound:JustinCox), Banjo
ST: Crosby, Masthay, LS: (see roster-TBD)

NewNikeShoes's picture

I hope you realize your stupidity one day.
Do you push on doors that say pull?

MarkinMadison's picture

Ridiculous trades.

DrealynWilliams's picture

Lol,wanna know what's funny?

I read the last 3 replies (not including mine) first and before I got to the original post I thought to myself, "this must be Ben's post"

zeke's picture

LaMichael James isn't involved in the trade, so my guess is that this is a hoax.

4thand1's picture

He's doing this on purpose. No one could be this mental.

aj's picture

The saints absolutely kill us in your trade. You can't be serious man...

murphy's picture

I'm confused; I thought we were trading Rodgers for Suh. This changes everything!

Nick Perry's picture

Ben I can't call someone stupid on here, it just doesn't sit right with me personally. But I have to admit and agree with all those that commented on your trade ideas. Why would we trade 2 potential All-Pros in Adams and HHCD and our 2nd round pick THIS year for a 29 year old CB and and 1st and 4th NEXT year. Adams had a typical "Rookie WR" season in Green Bay, but showed us glimpses of what was to come against New England and Dallas in the Playoffs. HHCD is just getting started and will be one of the top Safeties in the NFL one day soon. Just relax Ben, it's going to be alright.

Evan's picture

Holy shit - Chris Borland is retiring??! Says it's not worth the risk to his long-term health. Best of luck to him.

4thand1's picture

I smell something rotten by the bay.

RCPackerFan's picture

it feels that way doesn't it?

aj's picture

I doubt that. He supposedly only had two concussions ever in his life, both before college. I'm sure TT would have loved to add him to the squad, but his value was in between TT's picks. Sometimes things happen. Remember Jonathan Franklin?

aj's picture

I was saying that neither had any head trauma flags in the draft, yet both retired after their rookie year due to injuries. You can't always plan for things like this, and I'm sure TT would have loved to draft Borland for the correct value.

DrealynWilliams's picture

Wow.

And we thought we had injury problems. The 49ers can not stop this rapid downfall.

#WhosLeft?

sheppercheeser's picture

The Tramon situation?- a win/win. Tramon gets his money and 3-yr. contract and Ted was smart enough to let TW go one year too early, rather than one year too late, which I'm afraid the Browns will find out. Now I'm anxious to see who steps up- Hayward, Hyde or Goodson. Go Pack!

lebowski's picture

The only thing that truly bothers me with this situation is having to read again how we let Rolle get signed away with an empty roster spot sitting there waiting for him… and he goes on to lead the Texans in interceptions as a backup. Clearly outplayed Goodson in preseason.

DrealynWilliams's picture

True.

But if there's any position TT/Dom knows how to find - it's CB.

RCPackerFan's picture

I completely agree with you.

Most of us felt that he was the better player in camp and preseason. So a lot of us were kind of surprised that he got released in favor of Goodson. Then when they had an opening on the roster most of us thought Rolle would be the one to get elevated. He wasn't.
Then he left.

I still think they made a bad decision in keeping Goodson over Rolle, and then for not bringing him up when they had the opportunity.

I would feel more comfortable if we had Rolle. I thought he could have been the next Tramon Williams or Sam Shields. Undrafted FA's to come in and start and play well.
Hopefully these decisions won't hurt us in the future.

KenEllis's picture

It was wise for TT to let Tramon go for that amount of $.

It remains to be seen if it was wise of TT to let House go for the $ he received, but TT has a pretty good track record of not overpaying guys (Brad Jones and AJ Hawk being the unfortunate exceptions to the rule).

It also very much remains to be seen if the CB position will be adequately manned in 2015. Work to do for TT and Joe Whitt.

balding_pastor's picture

At 32 years old, it doesn't appear as if the loss of Williams will get the Packers a compensatory draft pick.. What does age have to do with compensatory picks? I thought it was the size the signed players contract, whether he was a starter.....that sort of thing.

HankScorpio's picture

Ed Reed was counted in the compensatory formula when he left Baltimore for Houston after the age of 32.

It's all about the Benjamins.

sonomaca's picture

Why it has to be CB in first round. There are four premium positions in the NFL: QB, pass rusher, #1 receiver, and CB. The Pack don't have needs at any of those except CB. We see the money even 2nd rate CB's are getting. The Packer have shown that they aren't willing to pay up for most CB's, which means they will be looking for CB value in round 1.

ILB and TE can wait for later rounds.

sonomaca's picture

You're right. Forgot about LT. Luckily, the Pack doesn't need that either.

I think the gist is that, a solid rookie corner is worth more than an excellent first round ILB. The way to think about it is, "how much would I have to pay a solid corner in free agency vs. how much would I have to pay an excellent ILB?"

Samson's picture

Of course you're right, sonomaca. --- Show me a team with a weak secondary and you have a team OUT of the playoffs.

DannyDS (Stroh) is only expressing his opinion to start an issue with you. ---- He's a troll who's only goal here is to stir things up. --- Personally, I think he's a CHTV plant to draw hits.

sonomaca's picture

Nah, he had a point about LT.

I'm wondering about Bradford. They're apparently ready to let Lattimore go. With Hawk gone, I'm guessing they like one or more young ILB's, in addition to Barrington. Bradford? Hubbard? Thomas? Palmer?

NewNikeShoes's picture

Damn, u on point son. MM just announced that Palmer and Bradford are ILBS, atleast for now

sonomaca's picture

Hubbard thinks Hubbard can play inside, and so do I. What's required of an ILB these days is different than in the past. With Barrington playing the "thumper" role inside, a very tall ILB like Hubbard could make it much more difficult for pass catchers to find space over the middle. Little creative thinking.

sonomaca's picture

Oh, and one other thing. We saw what a blitzing ILB can do to defense with Matthews last year. If Hubbard can play that role, he might have a chance inside.

sonomaca's picture

Mariota uncannily similar to young Rodgers. Smart, athletic, fast, and raw. The only thing I don't know is whether he's capable of developing a very strong arm or not. If he's still there at 20, for whatever reason, I think Ted tries to move up and get him.

sonomaca's picture

The problem, as I see it, is that the Packers have to begin to look ahead. I think New England did that with Garoppolo, although Brady is 6 years older than Rodgers, so there's no rush. However, if McCarthy and Thompson believe that Mariota could eventually become a top 5 QB, then they have to take a serious look should the opportunity present itself. Top flight QB's are the rarest of breeds, and if they think he could be one, you have to grab him even if you have a relatively young Rodgers.

sonomaca's picture

Rodgers is approaching 32. He's had injuries lately. He has at least two concussions. Mariota probably needs 4 years of development (one more than Rodgers). I think McCarthy and Thompson would take him if they thought he had a 60-40 chance or better of being franchise QB.

If you think Mariota would leave GB after 4 years to play QB for the Jaguars or the Bills, that's nuts. If he has a chance to become the next GB QB legend, he's going to stay.

4thand1's picture

There is a huge shortage of top notch QB's . Sounds like Philip Rivers is trying to get as much $$$$$ as humanly possible. He knows teams are desperate. Mariota will get paid and he'll never sit behind a starter for years.

sonomaca's picture

Here's the thing about the NFL: if you have a chance to get a franchise QB, take it. I don't know if Mariota could be one or not (If the answer is definitely not, he won't be drafted by anyone in the first round).

Just take a look at teams which haven't been able to land a franchise QB: Jags, Bucs, Chiefs, Bills, Jets, Bears, Raiders (although they may have one now), Bengals, Texans. We never want the Packers to become one of them.

sonomaca's picture

It would be completely ridiculous to pass on a franchise QB. You worry about what to do with him later.

All that said, Mariota isn't going to last long. San Diego wants him. So does Philly. Apparently, he's better than you think.

sonomaca's picture

San Diego might trade Rivers (and a whole bunch of others stuff) to Tennessee for the #2 pick. Philly might deal Bradford (and a whole bunch of other stuff) to Tennessee for the #2. There might be others in the Mariota game besides the Jets (who would probably screw up whatever chances he has at success).

There are probably other teams with an interest in Mariota. Clearly, some smart GM's think he's got a chance to be a franchise QB in the NFL, but what do they know anyway.

Evan's picture

Based on the bust rate of 1st round QBs...maybe not as much as they think they know?

If I were Tennessee, I'd take him. Because like what was said above, when you have the opportunity to take a potential franchise QB, you don't pass it up.

Is Mariota a franchise QB? No way to know. The odds aren't in his favor - they aren't in anyone's favor. But for teams without a viable QB - Tennessee, NYJ, hell, Chicago, Houston, Cleveland - it's a risk you have to take.

sonomaca's picture

I'm of the opinion that some players who could have been franchise QB's were mishandled to the extent that they failed to develop. What if Rodgers had been selected by the Jaguars or the Raiders instead of the Packers. Most likely, he'd have been pushed into the starting lineup after a few games or, at most, a season. I don't think Rodgers would have become Rodgers had he not landed in GB or with some other quality organization.

sonomaca's picture

I think his best situation would involve sitting behind a quality veteran starter for a couple of years. Sitting behind Carson Palmer, Rivers, Brees, Romo, or Payton Manning would be perfect. If you throw him to the dogs in Cleveand or New York, he'll probably fail.

sonomaca's picture

I'm of the opinion that the cream doesn't always rise to the top. In fact, it takes an extraordinarily strong individual to overcome the obstacles in a place like Cleveland. Perhaps Rodgers would have eventually succeeded in a place like Cleveland, but I doubt players such as Foles, Flacco, Tannehill, or even Russell Wilson would have.

sonomaca's picture

So, if Russel Wilson were in Buffalo or Tampa Bay and Flacco was in Kansas City, would we be thinking of them now as franchise QB's? I doubt it.

jmac34's picture

Very few positions last as long in this league as the QB position. Rodgers, barring an unforeseen injury, should last another 5-8 years. This isn't the draft to be looking for a replacement. Also this is an awful QB class and I am not impressed with either top QB in this class.

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