Ravens 26 Packers 13: Game Balls & Lame Calls

Green Bay Packers preseason game two is in the books as they fall short to the Baltimore Ravens.  Perhaps some travel woes played a part, but there were far fewer positives in this game than last week's opener.

On to the very few of the night's best and worst.  It was a lackluster one to sift through.

Game Balls

Curtis Bolton

The young linebacker led the Packers with six tackles, one for a loss and added in an interception on a tipped ball by Tony Brown.  Bolton had early snaps and got some quarterback pressure.  

With Oren Burks out, Bolton made a case for himself to take those snaps with this game's performance.

Darrius Shepherd

Shepherd had just three catches but caught the Packers' only touchdown of the night and added in two punt returns for 15 yards.  Shepherd continues to make plays in game situations and is going to make it really hard not to keep him on this roster.

Lame Calls

DeShone Kizer

Kizer didn't look great in getting the start after Aaron Rodgers dropped out with back tightness.  None of the quarterbacks looked particularly good but Kizer was the most disappointing as he's the incumbent back up and just doesn't seem to move the needle.

The Packers are hopefully really pondering their options at back up quarterback this season.

Tackling

Another week of many missed tackles.  We can chalk it up to preseason all we want but the display over these first two games has not been pretty.  

Ty Summers missed many.  Darnell Savage had a chance to blow up a swing pass and dove unsuccessfully at the ball carrier's feet.  

You play like you practice and whatever the Packers are doing to practice tackling doesn't seem to be helping much.

 

Other notes:

  • I really hope the regular starters were running some really vanilla stuff.  No one looked particularly good on either side of the ball.  Maybe Za'Darius Smith
  • It would be really nice to see Rashan Gary do something remotely resembling what he does in practice, wouldn't it?
  • Again, the back up quarterback situation is not good
  • Allen Lazard had another good game but didn't make the impact that Shepherd did so he didn't quite make the Game Balls cut
  • Both kickers kicked in this game and I still have no idea who is starting this season as the guy
  • Nine penalties for 67 yards is suboptimal
  • Next week, neutral field and another chance to erase the taste of this one

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Jason is a freelance writer on staff since 2012 and also co-hosts Cheesehead TV Live, Pulse of the Pack and Pack A Day podcasts.  You can follow him on Twitter here

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Guam's picture

August 16, 2019 at 06:13 am

I would add Kumerow to the positive list. The guy just keeps making plays. I was not on the Kumerow bandwagon to start this year, but I am becoming a convert. He and Shepard are going to be tough to keep off the 53. Davis and Moore might be in trouble.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

August 16, 2019 at 07:15 am

Unless things totally change in games 3-4, keeping Moore with Shepherd and Lazard playing the way they would be really upsetting to me. How could anyone make a case Moore deserves it over one of those two guys.

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murf7777's picture

August 16, 2019 at 07:38 am

JJ....higher potential would be the only reason I can think of. Moore is very athletic and gets open. Not sure the other two will against #1 D’s in the league. I like Shepherd more than Lazard’s due to his ST and quick twitch that we need since losing Cobb.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

August 16, 2019 at 08:11 am

Lazard was awesome on ST, MLF called him out.

But I agree that Moore can get open. The problem is he's a body catcher and has shown zero improvement in his catching skills.

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murf7777's picture

August 16, 2019 at 08:15 am

Very true JJ, but that can be learned....another JJ had the drops early on in his career. I think we need to keep him for the potential. tough choices ahead.

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EddieLeeIvory's picture

August 16, 2019 at 08:53 am

Sterling Sharpe had quite a few bad drops early in his career too. I loved Sterling (I was 18 when we drafted him) but I remember people bitching about his drops. Before social media.
Terrell Owens too.

Still, I can't make a case for keeping J'Mon over Shepherd, Kumerow, or even Lazard.
Lazard is a large target. Shep gives that quick slot ability that nobody else really has.
And all Kumerow does lately is catch 15-yard passes for first downs. Not bad!

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EddieLeeIvory's picture

August 16, 2019 at 08:53 am

Well said Murph

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

August 16, 2019 at 09:55 am

"that can be learned."

The list of guys who have transitioned from body catchers to hands catchers is short.

Sharpe had drops but he was a hands catcher and it was more of a concentration issue.

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Matt Gonzales's picture

August 16, 2019 at 08:24 am

Hopefully, next week the Raiders will spend some time playing their first team defense and GB will throw some of these guys into the fray and see how they stand up to a higher level of competition.

Unfortunately, I don't see many of these guys clearing waivers. Not sure about other teams, but NYG is really hurting for receiver depth right now, and Gettleman seems content to wait and see what comes his way via the waiver wire.

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mrtundra's picture

August 16, 2019 at 09:55 am

What potential? Yes, Moore can get open but can he catch the ball? In the time Moore has been a Packer, I have not seen anything that looks like he had potential to be a top GB WR. Janis was better than Moore and Janis is gone. I like what I've seen from both Lazard and Shepherd, so far, and feel both have a lot more potential than Moore does, at this point. I do not think Moore makes this team.

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dobber's picture

August 16, 2019 at 07:30 am

I agree on all counts.

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Rebecca's picture

August 16, 2019 at 08:14 am

I agree with you. Oh, but that's why the thumb up option. But anyway, on all counts, we do agree.

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Coldworld's picture

August 16, 2019 at 09:01 am

No. Just because there is an option doesn’t mean emphasis is forbidden.

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packerbackerjim's picture

August 16, 2019 at 06:15 am

IIRC, the third exhibition game offers the most insight as to how a team functions when at full strength. Way too early for gnashing of teeth.

As to the backup QB situation, I would be surprised we’re Gute not on alert for veteran cuts league wide.

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dobber's picture

August 16, 2019 at 07:33 am

"The Packers are hopefully really pondering their options at back up quarterback this season."

If something is going to happen, it needs to happen soon. You don't want your prime backup to be learning the offense for the first time immediately before week 1 (see: Wallace, Seneca).

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Bearmeat's picture

August 16, 2019 at 11:30 am

Who are they going to get? No one who has one is getting rid of their high caliber backups. Further, wasn't half the reason for cutting Daniels money? Even if we could get a great backup, why spend the cap money? Don't we want as much as possible for Clark and Bakh? This team is going to struggle to make the playoffs anyway - this is not a 12-4 team. If ARod misses more than two games, playoffs are out of the question anyway.

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RCPackerFan's picture

August 16, 2019 at 08:05 am

This isn't a 12-4 team for what reasons?

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Bearmeat's picture

August 16, 2019 at 08:20 am

Well, first of all, it's a brand new coach with a brand new scheme and a lot of young players. Second, as we've seen, the depth at RB, QB, ILB isn't very good. Third, until proven otherwise, our special teams is a dumpster fire and will cost us games. Again.

Could the team go 12-4? Yeah. Yeah they could. But that would mean almost everything comes together immediately. You're not going 12-4 if you start 4-4. And I really don't think GB is going to be sprinting out of gate on offense. It's just not likely.

I will still root like crazy for my team. And I do think they'll be in the wild card mix. But anything above 10-6 this year would be a real outlier IMO.

I still think this roster is pointed at 2020-2021 as it's most likely Super Bowl Window.

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RCPackerFan's picture

August 16, 2019 at 08:36 am

Brand new coach yes. Its always tough for new coaches to come in and win early.
While I get your concern about our RB depth, lets not lose the fact that they were without their top 2 RB's and top FB. Aaron Jones is night and day better then Tra Carson. QB depth is a concern, but Kizer I didn't think was as bad as what others have been saying. He wasn't great at all, but he had some good moments along with the bad ones. ILB I'm honestly not concerned with. Martinez is our top guy. Burks should come back at some point, and how much are we going to be using 2 pure ILB's. Pettine has yet to really do any scheming.

I'm not saying they will go 12-4 either. But I do think its a possibility.
We have Rodgers with whom just about everyone seems to have written off. Hell even Madden has him as the 7th highest rated QB. They have a coach that will have a good scheme and a defensive coach that will have a good scheme too. This defense will be much improved and the offense I think will click faster then people think, because we do have Rodgers.

I agree that they are more likely to be looking at the 20-21 seasons for a serious run at the Superbowl, but it doesn't mean it can't happen this year.

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Tarynfor12's picture

August 16, 2019 at 08:39 am

What a pessimist...glass half empty guy, : ) Kidding!

I think what the team needed and was looking for was Rodgers playing some. The sudden decision to not play may have put a funk on the team or maybe not but Rodgers should have played a series at least and show the team he is not above them. We don't want him hurt but ditching the start can make morale drop and with it their play.

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Bearmeat's picture

August 16, 2019 at 08:47 am

You know what? That might just be right...

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Coldworld's picture

August 16, 2019 at 09:03 am

Rodgers gets nearly all the snaps with the starters. Didn’t help them or Kizer to switch at short notice.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

August 17, 2019 at 02:09 pm

I'd rather have a healthy Rodgers to start the season than to worry about morale midway thru preseason. If these guys can't get up for games while fighting for jobs, then there are a lot bigger problems than Rodgers sitting out a preseason game.

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murf7777's picture

August 16, 2019 at 09:03 am

BM, I give you a thumbs up, but will disagree about ST being a dumpster fire. Penalties aside, I love what scott is doing with his punting and Mason will be a solid FG kicker for us. Let's hope our new ST coach can figure out the penalties. I bet 10 or more wins in Vegas this year so I'm sticking to my prediction of 10 or more wins and playoffs. Anything is possible when you have a franchise QB and all the capital they put into the D. The talent is there, now Pettine needs to coach them up.

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Bearmeat's picture

August 16, 2019 at 11:32 am

I hope you are right. I really do. It's just been literally 13 years since our ST was good. I just want to see it before I believe it.

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dobber's picture

August 16, 2019 at 01:19 pm

There's a reason why they're called "special" teams...

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Holecrap's picture

August 16, 2019 at 09:39 am

I have them as a 6-10 team based on all the unprovens, new coach and brutal schedule. Would not be shocked to see them 0-5 and I'm not saying that to be mean. This is an avg team at best until they prove they arent.
Kiser was nothing at ND, pulled from many games for flubbing it up. Moore in second year, no improvement. Davis will never produce much. Gary. You will be disappointed.
I'll take seasoned vets anytime over three year developmentals. who mostly never pan out.

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Matt Gonzales's picture

August 16, 2019 at 01:49 pm

I seem to remember another long term project that was drafted in round one. He had some footwork and accuracy issues, and the pick was ridiculed by some as he was drafted high to back up someone still playing at a high level.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

August 17, 2019 at 02:16 pm

Three year developmental? Like Jordy Nelson, Kenny Clark, Davante Adams, Lane Taylor, Mike Daniels? None of those guys did much in their first 2 years, some showed promise. But they all blossomed their third year in the league, and several of them to a Pro Bowl level.

Expecting a rookie to have an impact in their first preseason games is beyond silly. They are just learning the speed of the NFL game. He played mostly DE in college and they are starting him at OLB. He is a very hard worker with incredible physical ability. He is 21 years old, same as Kenny Clark when he came in as a rookie. Clark is looking like a top 3-5 interior lineman in the league. He had 2 starts and no sacks as a rookie, but he grew into a top defender. Get over calling Rashaan Gary a bust after 2 freaking preseason games.

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Spud Rapids's picture

August 16, 2019 at 08:08 am

Bunch of people on here making predictions and drawing conclusions after 2 preseason games.... what a bunch of idiots

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

August 16, 2019 at 08:14 am

"predictions and drawing conclusions"

Thats what people do here.

People also name call and hold grudges over different opinions about football. I wish that would stop. Football is just a diversion. There is no reason to abuse others because they made a prediction.

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Bearmeat's picture

August 16, 2019 at 08:49 am

Exactly right.

And to answer the previous poster's reaction - I have been saying that 12-4 won't be happening in Green Bay since the coach was hired. MLF is a rookie head coach. At any level. That he seems to be doing well so far is good. But he's going to make mistakes. Same with the youth on both sides of the ball.

I think the ceiling on this Packers team - meaning the core of the team for the next 2-4 years, is very high. It just will take some time to get to that ceiling IMO. And to be fair, 9-7 and grabbing the 6 seed in the NFCN - that's not a terrible year.

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Coldworld's picture

August 16, 2019 at 09:07 am

Well said Bear.

I would add also that the current belief that a player must be at his ceiling from day one needs to end.

Most players take two to three years to reach their prime. Of those that are exceptions, most are high floor low ceiling types that fill the back of a 53.

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Bearmeat's picture

August 16, 2019 at 11:36 am

YUP.

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 16, 2019 at 12:10 pm

Football is controlled aggression, so is blogging.

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dobber's picture

August 16, 2019 at 01:20 pm

"Thats what people do here."

That's all we've got at this point...

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

August 17, 2019 at 02:18 pm

I agree. At least about predicting the season win loss record. But the constant predicting draft picks will be a bust before they even have a chance to develop in the NFL gets old fast. It's just silly and irritating.

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dobber's picture

August 16, 2019 at 01:43 pm

That's ultimately the question: who would you target? I've asked that question, too.

All I'm saying is that if they're going to make a move, they should do it with live preseason snaps available to bring that player along. If the point is to bring in a player that you think you can hobble through a 3-4 game stretch without falling out of contention, you don't hobble him further by not helping him learn the O against a live defense.

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Old School's picture

August 16, 2019 at 08:02 am

Why would the Packers be concerned about the backup QB spot? Rodgers isn’t going to miss any time and he’s going to play until he’s 40?

We could have drafted Haskins, but I’m sure Gary will help us more if Rodgers isn’t available.

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Tundraboy's picture

August 16, 2019 at 08:43 am

Now that's sarcasm.

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Coldworld's picture

August 16, 2019 at 09:08 am

No that’s a mistake we avoided making.

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Old School's picture

August 16, 2019 at 09:17 am

Yes. Making your roster stronger at the most important position is a mistake.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

August 17, 2019 at 02:22 pm

The GM Is trying to build a team around the most expensive player in the game to win another Title before he retires. Any QB draft pick just takes away from building that roster around Rodgers. Until they are seriously thinking about replacing Rodgers, it doesn't make sense to spend any kind of high draft pick on a QB. The talent level of the rest of the squad had clearly dropped way off at the end of Ted's tenure. Gutey is doing everything he can to give Rodgers a top defense, which is how they won the Super Bowl the last 2 times.

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Old School's picture

August 16, 2019 at 09:47 am

Yeah, but the people who used this argument leading up to the draft were serious.

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EddieLeeIvory's picture

August 16, 2019 at 08:55 am

QUICK RESEARCH PROJECT:

Which vets are familiar with MLFs system?
Are any of them available? Or will they be?
Who was Ryans backup 2-3 years ago?
Tennessee backup last year I think was Gabbert. He's with someone else now IIRC.

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EddieLeeIvory's picture

August 16, 2019 at 08:58 am

Maybe look at Washington where they have Case Keenum AND Colt McCoy, but 1st rd pick Dwayne Haskins.

I'd LOVE to swap out our backups for Keenum. I still remember how good he was 2 years ago on a Vikings team with 2 good WRs. Plus he's a great guy.

Send them J'Mon Moore for Keenum.

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murf7777's picture

August 16, 2019 at 09:06 am

Eddie, love your idea of getting Keenum, but I doubt they would trade straight up for Moore. Maybe Jones thou or a combo!

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Coldworld's picture

August 16, 2019 at 09:08 am

Lol.

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Matt Gonzales's picture

August 16, 2019 at 09:31 am

Moore plus a draft pick might do it, but Keenum has a higher ceiling than McCoy, and would be a more likely starter week 1 if Haskins isn't ready. I don't see him leaving.

No veteran available now is an upgrade over what we have, and looking at depth charts on other teams, I'm not liking what I see. Hoyer could maybe be had from the Pats, and he has actually fared pretty well as both a backup and spot starter, but is he a fit for this system?

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murf7777's picture

August 16, 2019 at 06:33 am

I will be surprised if Gutey doesn’t bring in some ILB help. Summers took a step back and continues to miss tackles. I like his potential but a lot to learn yet. Bolton continues to shine and love the hard tackle Martinez put on, but we need some veteran depth and/or starter next to Martinez.

Yes Kumerow just gets open and catches the ball....oops he finally missed one, he gets a pass. Allison had a good game as well. It will be very difficult to decide who to cut as Lazard and shepherds also had their moments.

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D.D. Driver's picture

August 16, 2019 at 07:03 am

The key is that Sheppard looked pretty good in the return game as well. I don't think its a tough decision right now at WR. Adams, MVS, Kumerow, ESB, and Sheppard with Lazard on the PS and Davis and Moore looking for new teams.

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murf7777's picture

August 16, 2019 at 07:20 am

DD I agree but I assume you missed Allison, which makes 6. Lazard Is making it a tough choice thou.

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sbransbottom's picture

August 16, 2019 at 07:45 am

Yes you can't forget Allison. Pretty sure he is making the team. He has a head start on the connection with Rodgers too.

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D.D. Driver's picture

August 16, 2019 at 11:05 am

Whoops! Yes. Of course Allison.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

August 17, 2019 at 02:25 pm

GB doesn't play that many snaps with 2 ILBs. They play a ton with an extra defensive back. Since Burks is not out for the season and they have Raven Greene (and possibly Ibraheim Campbell once he's healed) and maybe Josh Jones, and Bolton.

Summers is vying to be Martinez backup, not to play next to him. That would be Burks/Summers/Jones/Greene.

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Pierre's picture

August 16, 2019 at 07:02 am

Lazard is 6’5” and 227 lbs. and had three catches for 63 yards. He’s a big target who gets open down field and catches the football. Looks like a productive receiver who the Packers should keep on the roster as he will get picked up by some team if he goes on the PS.

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August 16, 2019 at 07:23 am

He needs the chance to do that against starters. He was playing against scrubs. He has earned that chance. If the team doesn’t give it to him, it will tell us they do not think he is roster worthy. Until he does that against better players, it is too early to anoint him.

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August 16, 2019 at 12:16 pm

Lazard caught some balls last year at the end of the season when he was picked up off waivers. He ran his routes and made the catches, against starters. He is a guy that can help in the downfield blocking scheme in the running game. Loved watching him move the chains for Iowa State. He's a football player.

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murf7777's picture

August 16, 2019 at 07:26 am

I like Lazard but I think we get caught up in measurable at times. Most of the time the eye test shows, because great instincts can be greater then measurable. That’s why I like Kumerow so much he just gets open and catches the ball. I do see that in Lazard’s but not enough playing time to know yet. Probably PS this year.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

August 16, 2019 at 07:19 am

"Lame Calls
DeShone Kizer"

LOL I got blown up with downvotes on the "Gut Reactions" thread for saying the same.

I think Kizer needs to be a QB3 for a while to work on his accuracy. I don't see how you can count on him to win a few games if AR is hurt for a few weeks.

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RCPackerFan's picture

August 16, 2019 at 08:06 am

Kizer wasn't great but Boyle was much, much worse.

Boyle deserves the Lame Calls more then Kizer.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

August 16, 2019 at 09:58 am

They can both have one. No reason to stint.

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RCPackerFan's picture

August 16, 2019 at 10:26 am

In the article there was just one. So for me giving out one, I would go with Boyle.

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Coldworld's picture

August 16, 2019 at 07:27 am

Kizer played with the ones with whom he does not practice regularly against the starters on a good D with no running game. He did OK under the circumstances.

My bet is that the team disagrees with both you and the writer. Performance has to be looked at in context, including Boyle’s against the twos and threes before the scrubs came in.

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August 16, 2019 at 07:40 am

The question is: what were they hoping to see, and what, specifically, were they working on with him? We'll never know.

Kizer has not been awful this PS...but he hasn't been anything to write home about either.

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RCPackerFan's picture

August 16, 2019 at 08:02 am

I thought Kizer was ok. Ups and Downs. a LOT better then Boyle

Honestly I was kind of happy to hear about Rodgers late scratch. I thought it was a good thing for Kizer. It gave him time with the starters. And starters without Jones and Williams. Also Adams only played 1 series and they didn't do much scheme wise. Keeping everything pretty basic.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

August 17, 2019 at 02:28 pm

That argument that Kizer was playing with the ones without a run game would be a good argument, except for the poor throws Kizer made to guys that were open that he missed. That's not b/c he's not used to playing with them or b/c of the Ravens' D. That is b/c Kizer has accuracy issues.

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August 16, 2019 at 07:32 am

JJ...I wasn’t impressed by Kizer but to play devils advocte I’d have to say in the one series he had three good throws where only one was caught. The one miss was with DW trying to one hand the catch, don’t remember who the other was.

He was also playing against one of the better starting D in the league. Does he instill a lot of confidence in us fans, probably not. None of the back ups do for me.

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RCPackerFan's picture

August 16, 2019 at 07:41 am

Game Balls -
Shepherd - he is making a serious run at the 53. In my eyes he is on it, but there are 2 more games.

Lazard - Like Shepherd he is fighting for a spot on the 53.

Bolton - He really has been impressive for an UDFA.

Lame Calls -

Boyle - While Kizer was up and down Boyle was awful. If Boyle wants to try and make a run for the 53, he better show up a lot better next week.

Ty Summers - I will give him credit he has great instincts and gets himself in great position to make plays. But he seriously looks like he is trying to tackle without arms. The knock on him in college was his missing tackles. That is showing up here too.

Penalty's - Too many! Just to sloppy with it.

Notes -

I really can't wait to see what this team looks like when they aren't running vanilla stuff. I just get this feeling that they are going to unleash a lot of looks on the Bears in week 1. In the mean time they are really running basic stuff.

As of right now I think they keep 2 QB's, 4 RB's, 4 TE's, and thinking maybe 7 WR's. I think they can go 7 WR's because they will only keep 4 RB's and 2 QB's.

For the WR's, I think Adams, Allison, MVS and Kumerow are locks. I think EQ should be on the 53 and I think Shepherd has made the 53. That leaves 1 spot for Davis, Lazard, Moore. Going on what I have seen, Lazard deserves it. If Davis wants to make the 53, he better get back on the field.

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August 16, 2019 at 10:07 am

Boyle to Shepherd was GB's only TD all night. Boyle played a lot less than Kizer did in last night's game, too. Boyle hit Lazard for some nice yardage gains just prior to hitting Shepherd for the TD, as well. I'd take Boyle anyday over Kizer for our #2 QB.

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August 16, 2019 at 10:44 am

I am not sure how many snaps either player had, but Kizer played the first quarter and first drive of the 2nd quarter. Boyle played the rest of the 2nd quarter, all the 3rd and 1st drive of the 4th quarter. Boyle played double what Kizer did. Also Kizer was going against the 1st team defense where as Boyle went against the 2nd and 3rd team defenses.

Boyle had some good plays, but how many throws went into the dirt, and he is at least half responsible for the fumble. He missed Shepherd in the end zone and also threw to soon on the next play to Shepherd where it went off his finger tips. Those things happen, but he was far from good.

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August 16, 2019 at 01:28 pm

"Shepherd - he is making a serious run at the 53. In my eyes he is on it, but there are 2 more games.

Lazard - Like Shepherd he is fighting for a spot on the 53."

Davis is missing his chance. ESB has been silent this PS. I don't think ESB has to worry about making this team, but it would be nice if he were producing as if he was. Davis' roster spot is slipping out from under him. It could be that Lazard fills in the same kind of roles as Graham, Tonyan, and Sternberger. Maybe that helps him to fit in.

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stockholder's picture

August 16, 2019 at 07:50 am

This team was lucky they weren't blown out. Kirk Olvadotti ILB coach and Mike Smith OLB coach got caught with their pants down. Missed tackles, poor positioning, Lack of pressure, the whole unit looked lost. And when guys have yardage to cover, the result is missed tackles. I can't pat anyone on the back this game. They lacked leadership. They lacked a Thumper. To much is being put on the ILbs. If the only job for a OLB to do is rush, were going to get killed. Sure the backs were running hard against them. But the disappointment was obvious. This unit wasn't playing together.

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murf7777's picture

August 16, 2019 at 08:37 am

Stock.... Pettine needs to get this D playing together. I'm an optimist, but even the most optimistic person didn't see much from our D to get excited about. They threw a lot of draft and Salary Cap at the D over the past few years, so no excuses, this isn't year 1 for him! Play vanilla if you want but play great vanilla. OK, my optimist side loves the increase in turnovers.

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nostradanus's picture

August 16, 2019 at 07:47 am

Observations

Interesting that two of the best players on the field for the Packers Bolton & Shepherd were UDFA’s

Summers was awful out there

Where have MVS and EQ been

The difference between the Ravens running game and the Packers is disturbing

Ditto for The toughness of the Ravens Defense compared to the Packers Defense

At least the Packers Punter looked good, they are going to need him to be, a lot

Lazard is making at run at the 53

Kumerow should be starting opposite Adams

If I was the Packers DC I would have the Defense live tackling in practice, they are embarrassing out there compared to teams like the Ravens and Bears

It is only preseason seems to be the standard line but why even play the game or risk injuries if the team is going out there half assed, pathetic, putrid performance!

That is all

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RCPackerFan's picture

August 16, 2019 at 07:59 am

"Interesting that two of the best players on the field for the Packers Bolton & Shepherd were UDFA’s"
- They really did look good. In my eyes they both are on the 53

"Summers was awful out there"
- He has good instincts and speed to get in position to make plays, he just doesn't make them. Way to many missed tackles

"Where have MVS and EQ been"
- I don't worry about MVS as the starters have barely played. But EQ is a mystery to me.

"The difference between the Ravens running game and the Packers is disturbing"
- To be fair, the Packers were without their top 2 RB's. And the Ravens better be good at running because that is what their offense is gonna be built around

"At least the Packers Punter looked good, they are going to need him to be, a lot"
- Lets not forget that the starting offense was playing without Rodgers, Aaron Jones, Jamal Williams. Only had Adams in one series, and they have been doing very vanilla plays.

"Lazard is making at run at the 53"
-Agreed. I like the looks of him.

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Coldworld's picture

August 16, 2019 at 09:15 am

Summers is raw. But I really like his potential. Clean up his technique and angles and he could be a force. We also need to stop pretending he is a cover type. That simply is not his strength.

He is what he was billed as, but great motor. Will prove to be a great find in the 7th. He also needs time to develop, something many seem to find an impossible concept.

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 16, 2019 at 09:42 am

Summers will have to show up on SP teams coverage to make the 53.

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RCPackerFan's picture

August 16, 2019 at 10:48 am

Summers has good instincts and gets himself into position. He needs to finish the plays.

But in the 2 games he has played in he has double digit missed tackles. Just can't do that when trying to make a roster.

Perhaps some of it is rust from not tackling much, but he needs to step it up.
I don't' know who really thinks he is a coverage LB. Most of his missed tackles are in the run game where he needs to succeed.

He may need time to develop, but that may have to be on the PS.

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Bure9620's picture

August 16, 2019 at 08:20 am

-Kumerow has jumped Allison imo as the 3rd WR

-Am I seeing things or did Montravius Adams spend half the game on his ass? The D-line looked really horseshit

-Poor effort by Gary chasing down ball carriers at the 2nd level. He needs to finish plays and hustle, I wouldn't care if he were a 6 year vet but rookies need to hustle and prove themselves.

Bolton is a good player, fast, good pursuit, decent tackling, he is clearly ahead of Summers, it' not close

-I am salivating over Lazard, I am really hoping he can squeeze onto the 53, otherwise he will be claimed off waivers, no way he makes it to the PS.

-was Kenny Clark even trying? I am wondering if he is giving 60% to protect himself in these games before he can cash in before week one. I would likely do the same.

-Kingsley KeKe is a find, he was giving the o linemen issues, good penetration, good hands

-Shepard looks as though he can give them everything Davis Gives them and more, If I am TD I demand a cortisone shot to get back on the field, his roster spot is officially in jeopardy

-Dexter Williams looks like a rookie, not sure I would trust him if I am Lefluer

-was J'Mon Moore out there? probably not a good time to be invisible, I don't see how he makes this team

If Rodgers goes down........we are effed.....

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Rebecca's picture

August 16, 2019 at 08:24 am

Watching Kizer (not going through progressions) is probably why Moore was invisible. Neither o-line or d-line had any push most of the time. Mostly boring football from our team.

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John Galt's picture

August 16, 2019 at 08:40 am

I read recently, "The Packers don't scare any NFL team." Yeah, they look like mush on offense and defense. No spark at all. Unless a miracle happens, another mediocre season is on the horizon. They don't act like a team that believes in itself. Just doing a job and getting a paycheck.

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Coldworld's picture

August 16, 2019 at 09:17 am

Really? Kizer looked like he went through his progressions to me, but I don’t recall Moore being on the field with him. Moore played late.

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Booner's picture

August 16, 2019 at 08:24 am

Gary rhymes with Perry hope that is the only similarity between the two but so far not impressed!

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murf7777's picture

August 16, 2019 at 08:30 am

Bure, this summer many were raving about Summer's because of a lot of tackles and his highlight reel from college. But, what I saw on a couple of game films, especially Iowa State was a player who missed tackles on quick, high level players such as Iowa State's Montgomery, who now plays for da bear...Argh. I was down voted a lot for those remarks, but the truth was on the game films. I love his hustle, but he has a ways to go. Bolton has now had two good games in a row, hope it continues. I still think Gutey needs to find a solid ILB via trade or waiver wire. If Summer's isn't it this year, at the very least, we certainly need better depth at the position.

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stockholder's picture

August 16, 2019 at 10:57 am

Gute says were fine at ILB.

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Bure9620's picture

August 16, 2019 at 12:21 pm

Ya he's okay, still a downhill player, not hard to replace

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murf7777's picture

August 16, 2019 at 08:43 am

How about a "game ball" for Scott, wow he boomed some big punts the last two games. Some 5 second + hang times. Certainly, one of the reasons for the TD in game one. Too bad our ST didn't get down field on the 55 yd, 5+second hang time last night. Their returning made 12 yards out of it. Should've been 55 not 43 net.

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greengold's picture

August 16, 2019 at 10:03 am

JK Scott really performed well. No doubt. Good to see. Gutekunst made a huge investment in him and I hope it pays off. Scott may have turned a corner after his rookie year. Seems very confident.

I just wish they would try more coffin corner punts. For the life of me, I do not understand the Packers not bringing that aspect of the kicking game back.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

August 16, 2019 at 09:36 am

Bolton does look better than Ty Summers , my bad, Ty definitely just needs to clean up his tackles. He has good speed, instincts, good communication with teammates, almost had his hand on that laser pass for a TD, but again Bolton is ahead of Summers.

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stockholder's picture

August 16, 2019 at 10:58 am

Not much.

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Coldworld's picture

August 16, 2019 at 11:06 am

Quite a lot actually. Still think Summers will be 4th ILB entering the season.

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 16, 2019 at 12:46 pm

Still believe they need to bring in a guy to reinforce the depth chart. Burks will be on the PUP for quite a bit of time. See what happens at the end of next week.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

August 16, 2019 at 01:25 pm

I agree I could not believe he dropped that screen pass after I just read he dropped 2 in practice. Ugh...

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dobber's picture

August 16, 2019 at 01:32 pm

Not the PUP. The PUP is only for players who have not practiced or played. He might have to go on IR, though, if he's dealing with an 8-week injury.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

August 16, 2019 at 09:39 am

Dexter Williams runs really good, but miscues and not being able to catch a screen pass really DROPS his value. Just a #3 RB at this point.

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Coldworld's picture

August 16, 2019 at 11:08 am

If he can’t catch those, I’m not sure he is #3. That’s a point of this whole O design. He suddenly seems to have developed the dropsies. Hopefully that will pass soon.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

August 16, 2019 at 01:27 pm

oops my bad...hit wrong reply..dang it..was talking about Dexter Williams.

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Ahgreen30's picture

August 16, 2019 at 09:41 am

It's sad that when one posts an objective albeit negative comment on here about the Pack the obtuse herd mentality with "the Packers are the greatest regardless of how bad they look" come out like a fat chick in a Wisconsin winter. The Packers are NOT good. This is NOT about a stupid preseason game. This is about a 14 year consistent trend! Face reality! They won't be until something fundamental changes at the very top. Proof? The Packers have drafted EIGHTEEN 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round players the last few years on their defense and recently spent almost $100 million on players brought in and NOTHING changes. They still STINK. Change coordinators, still stink. Use every 1st and 2nd round pick on defense, still stink. Meanwhile, the Patriots figure out a way to field a solid D and the Bears and Ravens DNA starts with defense so they'd could skip multiple drafts and still have a top defense. The Packers stink AT THE TOP! The facts dictate that Gutty and his staff do NOT know how to identify good defensive talent, the coaches have NO idea of how to get the best out of what they have (think, Randall, Hyde, Hayward), and most horrid of all is Murphy has NOT instituted the right culture throughout the organization of "the Packers WILL have a dominant defense". Sorry people. They.......are........broken......

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Old School's picture

August 16, 2019 at 09:46 am

14 year trend? The past 14 years have been among the most successful in Packer history.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

August 16, 2019 at 11:14 am

They did change things at the very top, save for Murphy. The last 14 years have been good, as OS pointed out. Long rant, few specifics.

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jasonperone's picture

August 16, 2019 at 06:16 pm

Ahgreen, you're hardly worthy of that handle. Let's ditch the "fat chick" comments. On another note, this team won a championship as a "broken" squad according to your rant so now we know you're just never satisfied with anything. Noted

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Old School's picture

August 16, 2019 at 09:44 am

We have three weeks before we play a game that counts in Chicago. What needs to be done?

1. The run defense has to improve. Control your gaps.

2. We should do what I’ve suggested regarding special teams and not give them the chance to hurt us.

3. We need to see what the first offense can do.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

August 16, 2019 at 10:32 am

Success is based on Super Bowl Trophies not wins and losses. Second place is for losers. This is where the Packer fans and I strongly disagree. Packer fans just want a winning season and get into the playoffs. Look deep inside yourself and you will see that it is true.

You can tell me about all the winning seasons and all the great players and coaches and great plays and I love it as well, but nothing will shut up a rival more than how many Super Bowl wins you have. Don't believe me? Ask the Vikings or Lions.

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 16, 2019 at 12:36 pm

They've been conditioned by the Brewers and Bucks. They have the franchise QB, a solid O line and an improved Defense. Expectations should always be high. Just need some luckwith injuries.

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Big gar's picture

August 16, 2019 at 09:57 am

Big gar says, ne t weeks game is the only one that matters. If we play like we did last night. 4-12 will be our record and we will revert back to the 80’s

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greengold's picture

August 16, 2019 at 10:09 am

There were positives, but, the biggest is how poorly the team showed overall. That will carry more impact as a "reset" than anything.

The next big positive was the lack of injuries. I'm hoping Ka'Dar Hollman is OK, but have not heard of any others.

I wonder if Gutekunst trades ESB or MVS? We are very deep at WR, and all of Kumerow, Shepherd and Lazard should be on our 2019 roster.

Please, Matt LaFleur, give Manny Wilkins a shot with the 1s & 2s, for 2 quarters. A fair shot to see what he can really do.

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August 16, 2019 at 12:38 pm

I like the Wilkens idea, but the thought of trading MVS is unsound.

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Since '61's picture

August 16, 2019 at 10:13 am

Game Ball: No major injuries. Hopefully Holman will be OK.
Game ball to whoever decided to hold Rodgers out of the game.

Lame Calls: Preseason football games. This was like watching the equivalent of Double A baseball or even worse. Basically these games are unwatchable.

Predicting how good or bad the team or the players will be based on these preseason performances.

Lame call: Packers trying to tackle. If that carries over into the season Rodgers and the offense will need to score about 80 points per game in order to win. We have 23-24 coaches on the team. Don’t we have at least one who can teach players how to tackle? Ridiculous. Thanks, Since ‘61

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cheesehead1's picture

August 16, 2019 at 10:19 am

We’ve been a poor tackling team for years now. Hope LaFleur makes it a TOP priority in practice from here on.

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Coldworld's picture

August 16, 2019 at 11:10 am

He certainly sounded angry. Hope that translates to practice. Everyone on D needs some hard donut time!

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 16, 2019 at 12:40 pm

Players tackle, not the coaches. If a guy wants to reach and whiff consistently , better replace him.

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cheesehead1's picture

August 16, 2019 at 10:19 am

We’ve been a poor tackling team for years now. Hope LaFleur makes it a TOP priority in practice from here on.

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bjkdad44's picture

August 16, 2019 at 10:35 am

I kept on seeing missed tackle after missed tackle after missed tackle after missed tackle! UGH!!!

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Swisch's picture

August 16, 2019 at 10:52 am

Well, patience, I guess.
Next game seems big, if not huge, and Aaron Rodgers is the guy to set the tone for the offense and the defense by taking this preseason game seriously as an important step in building teamwork and confidence.
After the first few practices seemed excellent, things apparently have really gone downhill (at least on offense) starting even before the Texans came to town for joint practices.
Maybe there's a certain fatigue, and maybe it's learning a new system, and maybe it's so many new guys trying to gel together.
As to last night, perhaps so many things were going wrong that it's hard to put too much blame on particular players.
Taking a deep breath! Here's to patience with a certain amount of urgency.
Here's to Aaron Rodgers being coachable and enthusiastic and a leader of men.

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Johnblood27's picture

August 17, 2019 at 03:07 pm

Good luck with that s-wish list!

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Packman60's picture

August 16, 2019 at 11:23 am

I disagree that Kizer was better than Boyle. Boyle was 13 out of 21 and had Tonyan have the ball stripped from him on a catch, Kumerow drop his 1st pass that I've ever seen him drop in a game and had Shepard have the ball skip off his hands on what was a difficult, but catchable ball. Yes he short hopped a couple that he should have completed, but he would've been 16 out of 21 for probably 160 yards or more had those been caught.

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Coldworld's picture

August 16, 2019 at 11:31 am

Boyle played against inferior opposition to Kizer initially and looked truly bad. He looked better when they all went out and the scrubs were in. You raise the point of normally sure handed catchers dropping. Is that coincidence or was it touch, accuracy or timing related?

Most QBs would be good if they could have plays like that back. If Kizer had the overthrown ball back he would have had a great, high difficulty TD, and his stats changed dramatically for the better, but he didn’t, and that’s all that counts.

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Packman60's picture

August 17, 2019 at 09:32 am

Kizer was running with the ones, which to me is a bigger plus than Boyle running with the twos and threes. Also saying the receivers having the ball stripped or taking their eye off it looking to run prior to the catch has anything to do with the quarterback who threw the ball is ridiculous. Having balls dropped is completely different than overthrowing a receiver. Based on your comments I should have included the ball Boyle overthrew Sheppard on the deep ball to further my argument. Your argument is weak.

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Pierre's picture

August 16, 2019 at 12:27 pm

Excellent points about the stellar QB play of Tim Boyle. Even with the actual passing stats, Boyle has three TD passes in three quarters of playing QB. That right there is an impressive rate of scoring TDs....4 per game. Sure it’s preseason, but it is for everyone and he’s getting the ball into the end zone. He would be an exciting player to watch if he has to come in as the backup QB this season and sling the ball around.

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stockholder's picture

August 16, 2019 at 12:40 pm

Boyle is the back-up!

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JohnnyLogan's picture

August 16, 2019 at 11:25 am

It's preseason and yet the Ravens O-line opened holes against our #1 D, their runners looked like NFL runners, their players hit our players in the mouth and it appeared at times they were simply toying with us physically. Our new players, other than Z. Smith, have so far been invisible. Gary is proving every day that the predraft evaluation was true, he may be fast and strong but that does not necessarily make for a good football player. Ability to change direction and instinct is far more important. He doesn't seem to have either. To spend a #12 pick on a project was simply stupid. Gute has proven nothing yet except that he likes to give up draft picks for guys who run fast but are not great football players. Loss of Daniels will hurt as M. Adams was pushed around easily. And all this gushing over the WR's. We do this every year, some late-round pick or UDFA makes a couple of catches in practice or against another team's 3rd string and we think he's going to set the league on fire. Lazard is slow and will not get open against top CB's. Kumerow is a #4 receiver at best. Shepard will get set on his ass and be lucky to get off the line of scrimmage. MVS still can't run routes. We do not have a legit #2 receiver that will keep Adams from being double-teamed. And to not have a legit backup QB when your QB is 35 years old and getting injured regularly, that's grounds for dismissal. Gute blinked when it came to Khalil Mack and he's been trying to recover ever since, signing the Smith Bros and drafting Gary. I'd trade all three, and throw in Burks and Savage for Mack. I just don't see the great talent infusion that so many others around here are excited about.

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Bure9620's picture

August 16, 2019 at 12:26 pm

Not sure how he "blinked" with Khalil Mack, the Raiders wanted to trade with the Bears because they believed the bears would not be as good and as a result would have a higher draft pick. It's not really blinking. How much exactly should Gute have given for him? The Bears have Mack but also mortgaged the future, soon they will have to pay their QB, QB money.

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jgando12's picture

August 16, 2019 at 11:28 am

Work in progress on all fronts.
The back up QB is indeed very disconcerting and should be Priority #1 on Gute’s list.

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Lphill's picture

August 16, 2019 at 11:40 am

People need to relax here, a meaningless game against a team that thinks preseason wins get you to the super bowl, lets judge in real game action before we declare who's a draft bust.

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Leo Van Groll's picture

August 16, 2019 at 04:52 pm

Game ball to the punter, as soon as it comes down from the stratosphere.

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