Please Stop Undervaluing Linebackers

Containing modern offenses requires top-notch LBs who can cover.

For what seems like about a decade, decision makers, analysts and pundits across the NFL landscape have steadily downgraded the positional value of inside (off-ball) linebackers. It’s time for this to stop. It’s especially time for the Packers, who desperately need to beef up their LB corps to help ensure that their expected new defensive scheme succeeds.

Now before people get their undies bunched, I am not saying that, from a statistical point of view, linebacker is more important to a defense than edge rusher or corner. The law of large numbers dictates that if you were forced to rank order defensive positions, linebacker would fall outside the top two when it comes to expected added value overall.

But those numbers don’t capture some important elements that remind us not to follow algorithms out the window: First, the impact of having a strong QB of the defense is difficult to measure, but it’s significant, especially as motion-based offenses increase the need for pre-snap reads and communication by the D. Second, today’s top offenses (heavy play action, RPO and attacking the middle of the field), seek to exploit linebackers by putting them in the proverbial blender. The harder that is to do, the less productive those offenses are. Third is scarcity, which as we know from basic economics has a direct effect on value. The percentage of elite talent at linebacker is lower than it is at other positions, in no small part because it is the most difficult and complex defensive position to master. That alone should drive up its value.  

Consider, too, that of the last 10 Super Bowl winning teams, seven of them came to the dance with elite inside linebackers. Or ask Bill Belichick how critical it was to have first Tedy Bruschi, then Jerod Mayo and then Dont’a Hightower to help win multiple championships across two decades. Seattle had Bobby Wagner. Tampa Bay had Lavonte David. Baltimore had Ray Lewis, and now Roquan Smith. Fred Warner has helped the 49ers get to the big game. None of this is coincidence. Can you imagine if the Packers had Luke Kuechly during Aaron Rodgers’ prime years?

Which brings us to free agency and the draft. Justis Mosqueda, a writer/analyst who focuses on Green Bay and whose opinions I respect, believes that under new DC Jeff Hafley the Packers will be playing a lot of 4-3 (you can listen here), because his favored single-high scheme relies on pressuring the quarterback before he can take advantage of single coverage on the perimeter and crossing routes that take a bit of time to develop. It’s an interesting take, and it suggests a heavier use of base defense with off-ball linebackers focusing primarily on stopping the run and rushing the passer. 

I’m a bit skeptical, given the way Brian Gutekunst, and Hafley himself, have talked about how the NFL is now primarily a 4-2-5 league. The major differences, beyond whether you field two or three, are in how you deploy your safeties, and what type of linebackers — body type and skill set — you want. I believe that improved coverage skills should be priority 1 for upgrading at LB, given how often teams are bringing safeties down into the box, to help with run fits and hemming in mobile quarterbacks. As much as possible, you want to be able to win by rushing just four, and then getting creative with blitz packages. This doesn’t mean we don’t need linebackers who are solid in run coverage, or who can rush the passer. If you’re offering me Micah Parsons, sure, but he’s a hybrid freak. Meanwhile, the league has woken up to the value of tight ends and even multiple tight-end sets. Linebackers who can cover help mitigate the threat, not to mention dealing with increasingly talented pass-catching running backs. 

Either way, strengthening the linebacking corps is a clear need for Green Bay this off-season, and both Justis and I rank the position as second only to safety in priority. Quay Walker has a high ceiling but remains a work in progress. Isaiah McDuffie has flashed but is a question mark, though Hafley is high on him from their time together at Boston College. De’Vondre Campbell will and should be gone. Even if Walker and McDuffie improve, there is currently no depth or competition. Justis, meanwhile, is thinking the Packers will play three off-ball linebackers more often than not, and thus need a third stud.

This is why I have been beating the drum for a free-agent signing such as Patrick Queen. The upcoming draft class is paper thin, with no linebackers cracking the top 75 on many draft boards. A couple of the best free agents are aging veterans, such as Wagner and David, for whom the Packers should not write big checks. Others with at least some coverage skills include the Seahawks’ Jordyn Brooks and Drue Tranquill of the Chiefs, who had a stellar post-season and has distinguished himself against the pass. He turns 29 when the upcoming season starts, plays with high motor and has prototypical body measurements (6’2”, 240) for modern linebackers. Frankie Luvu in Carolina is perhaps tops on the market, but only for pass rush and run D. That would be nice to have, but an expensive luxury. 

Come draft time, a frustrating reality is that this class is weakest at Green Bay’s greatest needs, except offensive line. It’s not hard to imagine a scenario in which the Packers take multiple linebackers in mid-late rounds to maximize their chances of success. To get to the Super Bowl, you need more than just average players at the position. GPG. 

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Jonathan Krim grew up in New York but got hooked on the Packers — and on hating the Cowboys — watching the Ice Bowl as a young child.  He blames bouts of unhappiness in his late teens on Dan Devine. A journalist for several decades who now lives in California, he enjoys trafficking in obscure cultural references, lame dad jokes and occasionally preposterous takes. Jonathan is a Packers shareholder, and insists on kraut with his brats. You can follow Jonathan on twitter at @Jkrim.

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Guam's picture

February 20, 2024 at 03:26 pm

Whether a 4-3-4 or a 4-2-5, if the Packers shed Campbell for cap and age reasons the need for linebacker reinforcements becomes glaringly obvious. Walker, McDuffie and Wilson just aren't enough bodies or talent to man the position. Which is unfortunate given this draft.

I think Gute has enough cap room to sign one good mid value free agent, maybe two if the cap turns out to be closer to $250 million than the budgeted $242.5 million. One of the free agents has to be a safety since that room is just about empty. The second should be a linebacker. Maybe Chin and Brooks????

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LLCHESTY's picture

February 20, 2024 at 03:47 pm

Jeremy Chinn is not good in coverage with a passer rating allowed of 132 last year. Hard pass on that guy. If Hafley is interested in playing Big Nickel paying Kyle Dugger $2 million more a year would be the way to go.

There's no LBs in the draft with 1st round grades but it is a good year for guys that are decent coverage LBs in day 2 and early day 3. Grabbing one of those and a thumper late and mixing them according to down and distance.

The wild card is Walker. He could cure a lot of ills by coming into TC with a solid handle on the new defense and prepared to take a big step up in production.

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Guam's picture

February 20, 2024 at 04:13 pm

Listening to Justis Mosqueda about how Hafley runs his defense, it sounds like the Packers need a true free safety for single high coverage and a box safety. Dugger might be well suited for the box safety. I don't know if there are any true free safeties available at a price the Packers can afford.

Hopefully you are right about the linebackers - the Packers need some bodies and I don't know if they can afford any in free agency.

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BruceC1960's picture

February 20, 2024 at 05:49 pm

What did you think about Justis’ thought that Preston might be expendable? Bad fit as a down lineman.

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Jonathan.Krim's picture

February 20, 2024 at 05:57 pm

I agree; not a good fit. I would try to trade him, or save the money for a bigger free-agent signing.

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Guam's picture

February 20, 2024 at 06:00 pm

Was a little surprised at that. Preston has played with his hand in the dirt both in college and occasionally for Green Bay in pass rushing situations and he weighs 265-270. Justis made the case that the down linemen in Hafley's 4-2-5 are all really pass rushers, so I don't see why Preston wouldn't fit other than age creeping up on his speed.

The guy at more risk may be Slaton. Good run plugger, but no pass rush.

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LLCHESTY's picture

February 20, 2024 at 06:56 pm

I didn't really get Justis being negative about Preston. After the season I saw a tweet that Preston had the 20th most Edge pressures over the last 4 years. Seems pretty good for your 2nd rusher to me.

Agree on Slaton. PFR has him getting 8 pressures in three years. I think his snaps go down quite a bit from last year. Getting consistent pressure from four is hard when one guy isn't doing much. That's why I could see them being interested in Jenkins from Michigan or Orhorhoro from Clemson. Both are lighter guys that are good run defender with pass rush upside.

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GregC's picture

February 20, 2024 at 08:05 pm

That Justis Mosqueda podcast left me with more questions than answers. Like you, I didn't get the thing about Preston Smith possibly not being a good fit. It's almost as if Mosqueda thinks that Preston's decent coverage skills somehow make him less of a fit at DE. But he's still a good pass rusher and run defender, so what does it matter?

I also didn't understand his larger point about possibly getting smaller pass rushers. I know times have changed, and you don't necessarily want the big Reggie White types at DE, but I don't see why the smaller guys would fit into this defense any better than they would in another defense.

While I'm at it, I was surprised that he assumes Quay Walker will play middle linebacker, when most people seem to think he would fit best as the weak side linebacker. Also, he said that he thinks the middle of the field will be harder to defend with this defense (specifically the medium crossing routes), yet he thinks this defense will be easier for the linebackers. It seems to me like the linebackers would have a lot of responsibility for covering those medium crossing routes. Is the deep safety somehow going to be almost solely responsible for defending those plays?

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LambeauPlain's picture

February 21, 2024 at 07:20 am

Preston's worst season in Green Bay (and it wasn't all that bad) was when he was asked to play more cover LB. That's not his strength.

To the contrary, I too believe Preston's skills are as a solid run defender and bringing the pressure. It is very difficult to attack his side of the defense.

I believe Preston is ideally suited to play DE in Hafley's D. And as a smart productive vet...you want him leading the younger guys during transition to the 4-3.

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BruceC1960's picture

February 20, 2024 at 07:05 pm

I guess if the Packers take an elite 250lb pass rusher in round 1, we’ll know the answer.

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Coldworld's picture

February 20, 2024 at 06:25 pm

Justis’ guesses as to what Hafley intends are just that. They are rooted in what he has done, mostly in different environments and do miss some things he has done later. They are as good a guess as any, don’t get me wrong, but none of us know exactly.

We will only find out if he lays it out (highly unlikely) or by seeing what we do with FA, the draft and any trades. I’m not convinced Preston can’t play hand down as he did in college, but also I’m not sure that we will ask him 2. 4:3 in the motion era often has one or both DEs upright. It is reasonable to wonder if Preston would want to revert to a hand in the dirt after so long too, if indeed he is asked to.

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LLCHESTY's picture

February 20, 2024 at 07:04 pm

After Hafley was hired Jason Wilde said he spoke to a friend of his that covered the 49ers and had interviewed Hafley when he was there. The guy said Hafley really stressed the importance of adjusting to the players you have available. Then someone said last week that the DEs at BC played out of two point stands occasionally so I don't think it's going to be a big deal.

Hafley was often playing on an uneven field as far as talent at BC. Projecting what he did there onto the Packers might work to some extent but the extremes will be well rounded off IMO.

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LambeauPlain's picture

February 21, 2024 at 07:25 am

"The guy said Hafley really stressed the importance of adjusting to the players you have available."

The very definition of what it means to "Build a Team" and not force feed a "scheme"!

That's refreshing!

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Coldworld's picture

February 21, 2024 at 09:29 am

Yes, his talent over schemed approach is one of the best traits I see in him, along with a willingness to adjust coverages to opponents strengths before games and in them. There no one answer schematically that suits every opponent or snap.

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dobber's picture

February 20, 2024 at 04:14 pm

It will be interesting to see how Hafley envisions a 4-2-5, but some teams--like the Lions, as an example--employ that S/ILB tweener type (Melifonwu) as that 5th DB. Is he a S? Is he a MLB? In that case, it's in part to cover their lack of depth at the CB position--but he's physical and plays much better downhill.

I guess where I'm going is to say, it all depends on how you envision using that guy. If you're looking for someone who can play downhill SS, fill in the run game, and is also better than most ILB in coverage on TEs, RBs, etc., then you might have more use for a Chinn (who is a little taller (6'3" v. 6'1") but a little lighter (220 v. 225) than McDuffie). I agree, if you're looking for someone to regularly walk up into the slot and cover small, quick, WR, then you don't want to be forking over bucks for a guy like Chinn. I'm not advocating for Chinn, but I agree that the 5th DB could take one of several forms...and with Nixon walking, the Packers have holes to fill in the DB room (at at slot CB).

Walker was born to be a 4-3 WLB. I think this change will help him quite a bit.

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LLCHESTY's picture

February 20, 2024 at 04:25 pm

FWIW Hafley had 3 DBs on BC's roster over 208 lbs and two of them were 217 and 218 lbs. Does it mean anything?🤷

Supposedly this defense leaves you open to crossing routes so having a LB that can get a deep drop in the middle seems like a good idea. That might be Walker by necessity.

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Guam's picture

February 20, 2024 at 06:10 pm

What was the down vote for? Good comment.

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Coldworld's picture

February 21, 2024 at 09:41 am

Back to the Pettine Hybrid ILB? I hope we find better candidates now than then if so.

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crayzpackfan's picture

February 21, 2024 at 10:46 am

Is a hybrid someone who can do a couple things okay, or is he someone who isn't very good at doing one thing (starting)? I know and understand the need for Jack of all trades, but wouldn't it be nice to have our positions filled by true specialists for that role? It seems the last several years GB gravitates towards projects and tweeners who end up being the square peg when we need a round hole guy.
Perhaps I'm just being a bitch today. But I just want to plug a USB (player/position) device directly into my computer for once, and not have to go through the junk drawer looking for an adapter (hybrid) hoping it fits and works.

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Guam's picture

February 20, 2024 at 06:08 pm

I think the toughest fill for the Packers will be the free safety in single high. The Packers have no one right now and that has always been a tough position to find talent. And this draft is shallow in free safety types.

Box safeties are much more plentiful.

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LLCHESTY's picture

February 20, 2024 at 07:19 pm

I don't think it's as bad as Uglem makes it seem here but it's trouble if they don't get one of those top 3 guys and I'm not sold on Nubin at single high. Ballard is definitely more of a two high player. The problem is there isn't a lot of options in FA either. Whitehead would probably be fairly cheap and is good in coverage but he has a higher missed tackle rate than Savage. Not really what you want from the last line of the defense.

https://twitter.com/RossUglem/status/1760040285562638798?t=Tz1xV2m1K9KTq...

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Coldworld's picture

February 21, 2024 at 09:36 am

Savage was not good in deep coverage, run or pass. That’s the problem. If he could cover deep, we’d probably have had our veteran FS. Savage’s tackling was the issue that undermined what he was good at, reacting closer to the line.

Once we recruited Hafley, Savage as a box S seemed a poor match. Could he be the slot? He’s probably too small physically and again, in this scheme, tackling not robbing is key.

Whitehead might be an example of an affordable placeholder who would improve us deep. If his tackling remained an issue, that’s why you draft to surpass in rebuilding.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

February 20, 2024 at 04:12 pm

The middle of the field has long been open season for opposing offenses. Concurrently, the Packers run defense has also been shoddy. Both the 49ers and Ravens have shown how good LB tandems can help turn the middle into a restricted area.

Currently, the Packers have not such a tandem - as the 49ers, Ravens et al. Perhaps they have a half with Quay Walker but certainly no complementary second, i.e., a line-to-line coverage LB. DeVondre Campbell flashed that 2 years ago, but, as it turned out, that was an anomaly.

It is not likely that the Packers will sign Queen as a FA. So who may be the others - especially as the Packers are usually careful buyers who rarely overpay? If the team is to progress defensively this year - upgrading the LB corps is crucial. So it's up to Gutekunst - mainly by free agency and the draft. First, by adding at least one LB free agent. Secondly, adding 1-2 players through the draft.

Fortunately, the Packers have numerous draft picks which means that they can go LB shopping. If they want to do it earlier - there is Edgerin Cooper, Marist Liufau, Jeremiah Trotter and Junior Colson. ( I bypassed Payton Wilson due to his injury history). Still, later in the draft there may be some good prospects to select such TyRon Hopper, Derek Wingo and Michael Barrett.

So, in conclusion, there are no excuses why Gutekunst should not be able to upgrade the LB position this year - as he has some cap space and the draft capital to do so.

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LambeauPlain's picture

February 21, 2024 at 07:05 am

Good analysis, Alberta. Having 2 seconds and 2 third rounders will put the Packers in the midst of the top of the LB class this year.

Its not a great year LB year, but I would not call it "paper thin"...S, TE, and RB are thinner. Just does not have the marquee guys, but there are some good players that could add almost as much to the Packer LB room as a high priced FA.

Walker and McDuffie are penciled in as starters. That's a good start. And I expect of the 11 (or more draft selections), 2 will be LBs. And a few more will be added as UDFAs.

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WD's picture

February 22, 2024 at 07:23 am

Mostly agree. ILB is our most critical need. One mock I saw had Jaguars taking Edgerin Cooper at pick 24. Hopefully he drops to 25. If that happens Packers should immediately run to the table and draft Edgerin Cooper. It is likely he will test out even better than people think. He would be a steal in the first round at 25. I would even consider targeting him and trade up a few spots to make sure we get him. He would be a difference maker on defense and teamed up with Quay we could turn a good defense into a great defense. In terms of Safety, I think we should invest in a relatively highly rated free agent and also draft another S/CB no later than round three. On offense the needs are O -line and RB. These could be met in rounds 2 and 3. Give up a 4 or 5 if necessary to move up and take Cooper. We need quality not quantity.

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MooPack's picture

February 20, 2024 at 04:58 pm

Trevin Wallace, Kentucky, is my sleeper pick at ILB. Although has risen a bit lately. 3rd+ round maybe.

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LLCHESTY's picture

February 21, 2024 at 12:55 am

We'll see at the combine but it sounds like he can really scoot for a 240 lb guy.

From Pro Football Network:
"Wallace, who logged 80 tackles, 8.5 TFLs, and 5.5 sacks in 2023, sets himself apart with his elite athleticism at 6’2″ and 240 pounds. With his searing explosiveness, speed, and stellar proportional length, he can prey on ill-equipped runners in sideline-to-sideline pursuit."

Sounds like predraft Walker but Wallace didn't have four 1st rounders in front of him.

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golfpacker1's picture

February 20, 2024 at 05:14 pm

I have been a big Bobby Wagner cheerleader for a month now. It might not be as hard to pry him away from Seattle this year. They have already released him once a couple years ago. What is not to like about Wagner? He led the NFL again last year with 183 tackles. Think of what he would do to shore up run defense. Not to mention how much of an impact would he have on Walker and the new draft LB? The craziest thing is he only made $4.5 million last year so he might actually be cheap and really good. I would start going after him hard right now and make an offer. Plus older guys chase championships, and we are almost a contender. 2 years @ $5.5 million each.

Another guy that is a sideline-to-sideline fast LB and might not break the bank is the Chiefs Willie Gay. I know he dropped some when drafted because of some trouble in college, but I think he has been clean with the Chiefs. Great speed and good size. Anybody know anything about him?

We have about 4 upper echelon LBs that should be around @ #91. Right after we pick our first RB @ #88. Cooper, Wilson, Colson, and Gray. I personally like Wilson the best as he is the most complete LB. He has good size @ 6'4 240 and supposedly ran in the 4.5s. His issues are 2 knee surgeries and shoulder surgery, but he had 138 tackles this year and won the best LB in college football award this year.

I like Chinn as well, and he will also be reasonable compared to that 2nd tier of FA safeties that we are after.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

February 20, 2024 at 06:32 pm

Coincidentally I picked Cooper at 58 and Wilson at 88 (before seeing this article) in a mock draft this morning.
I also got an OT at 25 and two safeties with the other top 5 picks.

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LLCHESTY's picture

February 21, 2024 at 12:32 am

Wagner really slipped in coverage this year. That's a big reason not to like about him.

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Coldworld's picture

February 21, 2024 at 10:05 am

He’s 33 and will be 34 before next season. He was on a one year ($7million) contract last year and while he played in every game on a poor D, his coverage game was not nearly as good.

Per PFF (which Loved Wagner this year), Wagner allowed 46 receptions on 56 targets for 493 yards and a 115.3 passer rating. He did have their third-best run defense grade among linebackers and the fourth best of his career.

It’s uncertain whether Seattle are interested in him returning. But at 33 and with his speed and agility seemingly reduced, I am Struggling to see how he fits a Hafley D of the type most anticipate now, and definitely don’t see him as more than a one year stop gap.

On the whole I think we have to find a different solution that will grow through the year or at least promise be a legitimate part of the next 2 or three. If we still have a hole after the draft and he’s still unsigned, then maybe as a delaying piece.

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golfpacker1's picture

February 21, 2024 at 10:13 am

He didn't get 183 tackles because RBs ran to him and said please tackle me. And he still has decent speed. He would be a great 2-year bridge and would be invaluable for what he could teach our other LBs. I read he made $4.4 million last year. Thats a drop in the bucket for how it would change our run defense.

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WD's picture

February 22, 2024 at 07:27 am

Cooper will be gone early in the first round. Kiper has him going to Jacksonville at 24. Suggest we trade up a few spots to target him. He will likely test out better than expected and would be a steal at 25.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

February 20, 2024 at 05:28 pm

"Obviously you guys think that position is more important than we do"

-Elliot Wolf

Aged like milk.

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golfpacker1's picture

February 20, 2024 at 05:28 pm

the Chiefs Willie Gay ran 4.46 @ the combine and is 6'1 240lbs. Academic troubles and had a fist fight with his QB before their Bowl game. Played @ Miss State. His NFL comp before the draft was Roquan Smith. Not bad.

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 21, 2024 at 11:48 am

I would trade for Smith. The Crows may not want to pay out the rest of his contract.

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stockholder's picture

February 21, 2024 at 02:03 pm

Best Defensive draft - Pff sim
@25 Nubin - s
@41 COOPER - LB
@58 Bullard - s
@88 Sweat - NT
@ 91 Soloman Edge Troy
This is Gute's measuring stick.

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gsd3's picture

February 21, 2024 at 05:40 am

I would be happy with Cooper or Wilson in the 2nd or Gray in the 3rd.

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WD's picture

February 22, 2024 at 07:29 am

I would be ecstatic with Cooper in the first at 25. Frankly I doubt he will be there.

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LambeauPlain's picture

February 21, 2024 at 07:11 am

I believe Quay Walker will thrive with Hafley. He was misused by Barry. So many snaps you would see Quay simply standing for a few seconds to read the play and then drift into a zone...too often picking up a WR streaking through it. The few times Barry would attack with Walker, he'd be effective.

If QB pressure with an insistence on tackling the ball carrier will be the mission of the front 7 (or 6), Quay needs to attack with his size, strength and speed. Of all the players currently on Hafley's D, I look forward seeing Quay's role in it the most.

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BA4Pack's picture

February 21, 2024 at 08:05 am

Xavier McKinney

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golfpacker1's picture

February 21, 2024 at 10:15 am

I read today that Eric Reid will probably be a cap casualty this year. He is a good one to watch as well.

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