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Packers vs. Steelers: Quick Takes from Green Bay’s 24-19 Loss in Preseason Week 2

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Packers vs. Steelers: Quick Takes from Green Bay’s 24-19 Loss in Preseason Week 2

The Green Bay Packers lost a preseason game to the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday afternoon. The Green Bay Packers also lost receiver Jordy Nelson for the 2015 season with a reportedly torn ACL. One of these things is important. The other is not. 

It was over when…

…fourth-string quarterback Matt Blanchard was sacked on 4th-and-1 with the Packers trailing and under four minutes to go. The Steelers ran out the remaining clock. 

 

Game Balls

Richard Rodgers: Backup quarterback Scott Tolzien fired a touchdown pass to Rodgers to close out the first half, which served as one of the few highlights in a drag of a game. Rodgers adjusted to the throw well and found the end zone from 21 yards out. He finished with three catches for 30 yards. The Packers need the second-year tight end to become a consistent threat in the middle of the field and down near the goal line. Sunday was clearly a step forward. 

Ladarius Gunter: The undrafted rookie cornerback was one of the lone bright spots. His status probably wasn’t in question entering Sunday, but Gunter is now a no-questions-asked roster lock. Adjust your 53-man rosters accordingly. He blanketed receivers for a second-straight week, defending a game-high three passes. No. 36 has real coverage talent on the outside. 

Aaron Ripkowski: The Packers will almost certainly keep two fullbacks on the final roster. Ripkowski might not have a role on offense, but he looks like one of the club’s best special teams players through the first two preseason weeks. He made two more early tackles covering kicks Sunday. Draft picks and core special teamers make the 53. Rip has both working on his side. 

 

Stat of the Game

98/1,519: The number of receptions and receiving yards Jordy Nelson provided the Packers in 2014. He’ll likely contribute 0 and 0 in 2015. 

 

Other Notes

-- Losing a star player to a major injury is always a worst case scenario in a preseason game. Injuries can happen in practice, in the offseason, during the regular season and in the postseason. But Jordy Nelson tearing his ACL on a non-contact injury during a meaningless preseason game is the cruelest of blows in a cruel game. It’s a good thing the Packers paid to bring back Randall Cobb, and we’ll now get to find out if Davante Adams is truly a star. The Nelson injury will trickle down the depth chart, with rookie Ty Montgomery and (Hall of Famer) Jeff Janis likely to assume more significant roles. If former Badger Jared Abbrederis can work back from his concussion, it’s also possible he could contribute something. Regardless of receiver depth, Nelson’s injury is still a sickening development for a Super Bowl favorite. 

-- The Packers expressed confidence in Don Barclay playing left tackle, but it was awfully misguided. He can’t handle the position, especially on the left side. Any kind of speed or countermove from a competent player and he’s beat. Maybe Barclay will have a chance inside at guard, but it certainly looks like his major knee injury has taken away the lateral agility needed to survive on the edge. The Packers (and especially Aaron Rodgers and Scott Tolzien) found out the hard way he’s not an NFL left tackle. Time to find a better second option behind David Bakhtiari. 

-- On the bright side, the starting offense went down the field with ease on the opening drive, traversing 80 yards on 10 plays. Randall Cobb made a 30-yard reception, and Eddie Lacy scored through a gigantic hole to the left side of the line. The Steelers then pinned Green Bay at the 1-yard line and all hell broke loose up front. 

-- When was the last time confidence was this high in a Packers backup quarterback? Scott Tolzien again played well, with some of his snaps coming with the starting offense. He ended up 11 of 19 for 102 yards and a score. But of course, he’s now being evaluated for a concussion. Rookie Brett Hundley took a step backwards, but the assumption always was that he’d be a project. It’d actually be nice to see Tolzien get more snaps with the first-team offense. Remember, he only signed a one-year deal to stay in Green Bay for 2015. He’s improving as a backup quarterback but also auditioning for future opportunities. We’ll see if he can practice next week. 

-- This was a disaster of a preseason game. Dr. Pat McKenzie got more work than anyone on the Green Bay sideline, and the city of Pittsburgh might have a gasoline shortage after all the trips the cart made back to the Packers locker room. Nelson is the big loss, but several others (see: T.J. Lang) are dealing with issues. We’ll know the extent of the damage soon. The Packers got worse as a football team on Sunday. 

-- The Packers will have to lick their wounds and get ready for the Philadelphia Eagles at Lambeau Field in the third preseason week, which is generally considered a regular-season dress rehearsal. Hopefully things go better than Sunday’s calamity in Pittsburgh.  

 

Zach Kruse contributes to Cheesehead TV. You can reach him on Twitter @zachkruse2 or by email at [email protected]. 

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EdsLaces's picture

How I feel about us using our 3rd rounder on a wr this year has drastically changed.

RCPackerFan's picture

And that is why you draft the best player and not for need. A position of strength can change very fast.

Dan Stodola's picture

I'm sorry how did Tolzien play well? He attempted 19 passes and accumulated only 102 yd?! That's an average per attempt (one of the best indicators of passing ability) of barely 5 yds. That's not good at all.

To make matters worse he had a chance to hit Janis for about 40 yds but overthrew him. That's actually hard to do since Janis might have been the fastest player on either roster.

He threw an out that was a 1/2 sec late and caused Janis to step on the sideline and gifted an INT that the DB dropped.

A lot of missed throws, late throws and not any good ones. The R Rodgers TD pass was a small highlite, but he was wide open and I could have completed that pass.

Tolzien looked more like he did a couple years ago. A clear step back in my opinion. Not anything like a guy that can keep the Packers in a playoff race if Rodgers misses a few games.

EdsLaces's picture

Tolkien played well because ....because h played well. He's a young backup qb. When he was in there he moved the ball and that's what you wanna see. Compare him to Gradkowski...a veteran backup qb. Now who played better?

EdsLaces's picture

Tolzien haha not that hobbit loving guy.

Dan Stodola's picture

Good comeback. HE played well because he played well? What is that?

He made far too many poor throws and not enough good ones. And all he completed was 5 yd passes that a HS QB can make. If all your throwing/ completing is 5 yd passes, he should be completing 85%, not 60%.

So he's better than Gradkowski. That's setting the bar about as low as possible. 5 yds per completion is a dump off QB, not guy that can lead a team to wins! Something Tolzien has still never shown he can do.

ray nichkee's picture

Give tolzien some credit for playing behind those so called left tackles.

Tarynfor12's picture

OMG,OMG,OMG......the wrath of many will soon be coming with 'pitchforks and torches' in your reply box...A brave one you are. :)

Dan Stodola's picture

Hey if the truth hurts is that my fault?

EdsLaces's picture

It wasn't a comeback it was fact. I watched the game ...I saw how he played ...and he played well period. The drop off from qb1 to qb2 was not the same as years past. And for that reason I'm saying he played well.

Dan Stodola's picture

Fact 5 yds per completetion is not good. Its terrible.

Missing an open deep pass to Janis is not good its terrible.

Lucking out that a backup DB drops an easy INT is not good. Its lucky and terrible.

I watched the game too, and he showed little to nothing to make me believe he can win a game if Rodgers misses a couple.

NewNikeShoes's picture

he got sacked like 5-6 times in 1.5 quarters.
and he still managed to get 10 points.
and he kept the lead.
i want a backup to win the game, not go balls out on the stats page.
from what I saw, he did just that(with some misshaps here and there)
plus, he was better than gradkowski(why does he have a job?)

Dan Stodola's picture

He overthrew an open Janis for a 40 yd completion. That's a completion he has to make.

He threw 1/2 sec late and w/o zip on an out causing an incompletion. That's a completion he has to make.

He gifted a backup DB an INT, that's a poor throw and poor judgement.

None of those had anything to do w/ others on the field, a backup LT or too many sacks.

He missed far too many completions and made too many poor throws.

That game was a clear step back for Tolzien. Maybe he'll bounce back next week, we'll see. But he still hasn't shown he can win a game if Rodgers misses a couple.

Gradkowski is a career backup and right now so isTolzein.

PaulRosik's picture

Tolzein was 11 - 19 with 2 clear drops (one on a screen and another by Janis) and another one where Janis failed to do the toe tap and stay in bounds. So with any help at receiver and back he was 14 - 19 behind an offensive line that had to have him playing with happy feet the whole time he was in there. He is clearly not Rodgers and not as able to come off his primary and find the alternate receivers, but he can clearly make the throws to open players.

Dan Stodola's picture

Janis couldnt get his feet down because the ball was late and had no zip. Either way that goes as a bad pass, not on the WR.

Bad miss on the Janis deep ball. Bad pass that he was lucky the DB dropped.

60% completion w/ a 5 yd per attempt =Terrible for an NFL QB, backup or starter doesn't matter.

He also had a free play where the DT right in front of him jumped offsides and Tolzien took a sack instead of trying for a big play. Poor recognition of the situation.

adambrymer's picture

The 2014 NFL MVP had 4 games below 60 percent completion last year. He went 2-2 in those games. Please let your arbitrary 1-game 60 percent mark go. Harris dropped Tolzien's deftly thrown screen that would; have gone for at least 20. Your 5 yard per attempt stat is unconvincing, too, maybe to the house.

You don't like Tolzien, fine, but don't bring that weak shit in here. The MVP had several games that would have been less than 5yards/attempt last year. Rodgers had 2 games with Avg COMPLETION below 6 yards!

My point. You don't have to love Tolzien, but be reasonable.

adambrymer's picture

Sorry, text got moved around. This post should read:

The 2014 NFL MVP had 4 games below 60 percent completion last year. He went 2-2 in those games. Please let your arbitrary 1-game 60 percent mark go. Harris dropped Tolzien's deftly thrown screen that would have gone for at least 20 - maybe to the house. Your 5 yard per attempt stat is unconvincing, too.

You don't like Tolzien, fine, but don't bring that weak shit in here. The MVP had several games that would have been less than 5yards/attempt last year. Rodgers had 2 games with Avg COMPLETION below 6 yards!

My point. You don't have to love Tolzien, but be reasonable.

Dan Stodola's picture

Yards per attempt is the most telling passing efficiency stat there is. Even average NFL QB's are in the 7 yd/att range. Quality starting QB's are in the 8 per attempt range.

It was one game, but it was a rather poor game in my book. I hope he does more, but I have not seen him help a team win a game in the NFL yet.

You can try to ignore the telling stat if you want, but its a big indicator of a QB's game and passing ability.

Nothing against Tolzien except he had a bad game and he hasn't shown he can win an NFL game. Those to me are all that matter. Every QB has receivers drop passes. That's an excuse that your hanging on to justify a bad game.

I think its unreasonable that you don't recognize it.

porupack's picture

DanStoda, I see some merits to your argument, but am not convinced. Tolzien had composure. The throws you criticize him for are tough throws; the sideline one, and the deep overthrow. The sideline throw was under good coverage. Yeah, he'll learn from that and fine tune it, but he wasn't timid nor undecisive. The deep throw takes a lot of repetitions in game time to get that. Can't compare Tolzien-Janis deep ball to Rodgers-Nelson. Oh, did I have to mention Nelson? Ugh. I think I'll be argumentative and foul all day. Please excuse me.

NewNikeShoes's picture

YPA? Really? That's the most important one?
Not points scored? Not interceptions?
But YPA? Really?
I won't proclaim him a godsend at backup, but I believe he's easily shown that he has the ability to lead the O well. He was destroyed in the quarters he played in, but he showed poise, touch, and confidence. And he kept the lead. What more do you want?

Dan Stodola's picture

I didn't say it was the most important one. Don't try to change my comment. I said its a telling stat for passing efficiency.

How many NFL games has Tolzien won? 5th yr in the NFL and still waiting.

PaulRosik's picture

Everyone else talks about how well he did. When everyone says one thing and you say the other - then you have to look at yourself as the one that's being unreasonable. He had a 90 + rating with a terrible offensive line performance, poor running back performance, and poor receiver performance... it is a limited sample size but it was definitely not a poor performance by the QB.

PackerAaron's picture

Any CHTV commenter who didn't complete passes in the NFL and who includes "I could have completed that pass" in their critique of an NFL quarterback can be summarily dismissed from any future conversations about NFL quarterbacks.

Brand New Hero's picture

That's a cop out. I was scouring the comments to see someone, anyone, respond with some facts. I was hoping you'd do it, to be honest. How is this guy wrong? Did Tolzien miss throws he should have made, or not? Did he make poor decisions, or not?

The commenters here get worse every year. A guy posts his semi-factual opinion and gets flamed to no end. Nobody makes a worthwhile counterpoint, nobody acknowledges his point of view and offers their own, nobody respectfully disagrees, and the most knowledgable person on the site dismisses the OPs opinion because of a quip made that didn't even attribute to the main point. Disappointing. It's like a bunch of children. It wasn't always like this here.

Dan Stodola's picture

Thank You. I've been waiting for someone to make a valid counter point. There has been NONE. And the site mgr makes it worse, by contributing to it.

PaulRosik's picture

The fact is that his line played awful and gave him little time. They provided no running game at all and left him in long yardage situations all day long. He had two drops on perfect passes to Harris, another one to Janis and another play where Janis failed to do the toe tap all actual receivers need to be able to perform in their sleep. The original commenter keeps harping on the 5 yards per attempt stat which for a 19 pass outing is not really worth discussing, but if any one of those plays are completed his YPA jumps to that "magic" 7 or 8 yards that would have made him happy.

In a preseason game all I am looking at is his accuracy and decisions and he was sending the ball well to the open player on nearly every attempt even when under pressure and in 3rd and 10 or more so often due to the poor line and back play. Tolzein was fine, but Barclay, Alonzo Harris, Janis, and some others gave him a big hill to overcome.

PackerAaron's picture

It's not a cop-out, It's long experience dealing with football fans who say absurd things like "I could make that throw" and then get upset when they are not taken seriously.

You're right about one thing. It wasn't always like this here. Then the site grew and we were treated to critiques in the comments like the one above.

Here's a worthwhile counterpoint - Tolzien was playing behind a sieve of a line with mostly second-tier skill players. He did a fantastic job at the line of scrimmage with his checks and protection adjustments. But because he missed a throw "I could have made" I guess he played poorly.

I'm all for civility, but if a commenter can't extend said civility to the players they are critiquing , they shouldn't expect it in return.

Dan Stodola's picture

I'm sorry. Please point out where I wasn't civil to Tolzien. I don't recall saying he was a bad person, didn't call him names.

I said, in my opinion, he had a bad game, missed a lot of throws I think he should be able to make and hasn't shown he can win a game in the NFL.

Those are my opinions and I gave plenty of examples to support it and stand behind my opinion.

Is it now taboo that a commenter can't give his honest opinion of a what he believes was a bad game, especially if he gives plenty of examples to support his opinion? I see others saying Mathay had a bad game.

Brand New Hero's picture

Fantastic. That's the football response I've come to love from you. I have no way of knowing if his checks and adjustments were good or not. But someone like you can just make a quick response to let us know that he played a good game, but missed a few throws that because of circumstantial reasons, aren't a big deal. Thanks.

I wish you (or anyone else) would have done that the first time. I understand your frustration. I check out your twitter mentions occasionally and want to stab my eyes out. But this is your site, and these are my opinions.

Imma Fubared's picture

He is what he is as far as I'm concerned, a back up relief guy. No way he or that dipstick Hundley fall into the Farve/Rogers category as QB's who can pass.

Dan Stodola's picture

AT WR the Nelson injury hurts. I had Adams for about 60 rec and maybe 800 yds. If he's as good as most think he is he'll have his opportunity to get 85 rec and 1200 yds. I hope so, but I'm not seeing that kinda production.

Janis had a perfect opportunity to make a nice play on a slant/cross, but Dropped it. He has to prove he can make that catch or all his deep speed won't mean a thing. DB's will sit on him deep all year unless he makes those short/intermediate plays.

Still the passing game is about Aaron Rodgers, so I'm not terribly concerned about passing offense.

Tarynfor12's picture

I'm a strong supporter of Janis but you're right,he needs to make those type of catches.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Agree, Taryn. I've been a strong supporter of Janis, too, because I think his speed and run after catch ability would be helpful. I cringed at the drop on the crosser. But I also cringed when I saw the replay of his 2nd (IIRC) catch and noted that he bodied it. The ball hit his shoulder. Yes, he didn't drop it, he did catch it, but he needs to pluck those out of the air with his hands. Maybe he can't do that.

Clay Zombo's picture

Tolzien completed 11 passes for 102 yrds, which is just over 9 yrds per completion Dan not 5. Go track all his pass attempts and you will clearly see his yrds per attempt was way over 5 too.

Did he play great? No but he wasnt terrible either.

Dan Stodola's picture

Its yds per attempt, not completion that is the important stat.

Clay Zombo's picture

He attempted 19 passes, without tracking all those passes how can you know what his yrds per attempt were?

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Ah, Clay, you divide 102 yards by 19 attempts and reach 5.37 yds/att. This is a staple of QB statistics. I don't have any idea what you are driving at when you talk about tracking passes.

As for the drops, 2 drops out of 19 attempts is a 10.5% drop rate, which is high. Instead I give credit to Tolzien for making a nice touch pass on the screen to Harris and hitting Janis' hands.

That said, the stats, the yards per pass completion or attempt don't really mean much in a preseason game. The sample size is too small, the offense is vanilla, and Tolzien is working with some back ups and against some back ups. Instead we should focus on generic stuff: did Tolzien go through his progressions and throw to the right receiver at the right time with the proper velocity and touch? Did he show pocket awareness and the ability to move around in the pocket and/or keep his eyes downfield and throw on the run? Probably need all-22 to really assess him. Tolzien looked okay to me overall, certainly for a back up.

Dan Stodola's picture

Fair enough. Lets look at a few throws and decisions.

Janis open deep (40 yds) and Tolzien overthrows him. Seemed like a pretty straight forward pass that he should complete. Overthrew the fastest player on the team, possibly either team.

Throws and out to Janis, maybe 10 yds downfield, Late w/o any zip on the ball. Janis not able to get his feet down due to the ball arriving late and too wide.

Tolzien has the DT drawn offsides, right in front of him. Instead of taking a shot play, he eats a sack. No matter what he needs to at least give a WR a chance to make a play, maybe even a pass interference. Poor game and situation recognition.

Richard Rodgers TD. Rodgers is running wide open, uncovered. Tolzien throws high and too hard. Forces Rodgers to adjust his body and make the reception much more difficult and Rodgers to lose his balance. Got the TD, but the pass was neither on target (hitting an open receiver in stride). Was that a good pass or did he get lucky that Rodgers was able to stumble into the end zone despite the pass? Not on target or w/ the correct touch.

Threw a gimme INT that a backup DB drops. Lucky but a poor decision.

But like you said, he's a backup. For good reason it seems to me.

PaulRosik's picture

Tolzein was 11 - 19 with the 4 missed plays. That's 15 times out of 19 he was on the money. Yes he did overthrow Janis and he does need to learn from Rodgers and take that deep chance when he knows he has the offside. But the out to Janis was a beautiful pass that showed Janis's lack of NFL receiver skills to get his feet down. And finding fault with a TD pass, well I don't know what to do with that other than to say it appears that there is nothing this player can do that will ever make you happy with him. So admit that there is just something about him that pisses you off and move on.

He is clearly not Rodgers. As a matter of fact, no one else in the NFL is Rodgers. And if you picked Rodgers performances apart like this you'd still find times where even he missed open players or where the receiver had to make a fantastic catch to "bail him out". But compared to backup play we have seen in the last few seasons Tolzein seems much better prepared than most.

Spud Rapids's picture

How about some consistency in your posts?

First you rip into Tolzien:

"Janis couldnt get his feet down because the ball was late and had no zip. Either way that goes as a bad pass, not on the WR."

Then you say another play was Janis' fault:

"Janis had a perfect opportunity to make a nice play on a slant/cross, but Dropped it."

Both of those passes were within Janis' catch radius. I don't understand why you think these passes were any different in the fact the WR should have made the play. If you want your arguments to be met with acceptance you need to be objective and consistent.

Dan Stodola's picture

Those are 2 seperate passes! The cross was a good pass by Tolzien bad drop by Janis. The out route was a different play, a pass that was late and no zip on the ball.

I have to explain the difference between a cross and an out? Try to keep up please.

Bearmeat's picture

The NFL is Multi-billion dollar business. HOW can some of the playing surfaces (PIT, CHI, HOU, TB for example) be so bad??

NewNikeShoes's picture

its cause some are also used for soccer, which is stupid.
who even likes soccer in the US?

DrealynWilliams's picture

Does this mean we wont come out with 3 Wrs as often?

MM again, will have to get creative in designing plays/formations. I don't think Janis will jump Montgomery, so having Adams outside, Cobb in the slot and Montgomery (outside?) looks weird.

PaulRosik's picture

Quarless and Rodgers in 2 TE alignments.

DrealynWilliams's picture

I'm sure we'll have success, but the Pack are more of a threat when run/pass is a 50/50 chance. Also, the Pack are more successful running when the opposing defense is spread out (nickel or dime).

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

"Q and Rodgers in 2 TE alignments." I hate this idea.

PaulRosik's picture

Me too, but unless Montgomery or Janis start playing a lot better the 2 TE's may be seen a lot out there.

Or if they sign Reggie Wayne perhaps.

chugwater's picture

EdsLaces alluded to it. We can thank our lucky stars we have Ted Thompson as GM. His foresight in building depth at the WR position is looking very wise right now. Resigned Cobb. Drafted Montgomery. This could be a lot worse.

One other thing to think about...Jordy is on the wrong side of 30 and will be coming back from a serious injury next year. Hopefully he will be 100 pct, but I think that's probably too optimistic. As the young receivers develop this year it will be interesting to see if the offense maintains it's high rate of production. If it does, could mean the beginning of the end for Jordy in GB.

lambeau66's picture

Do the packers bring in a free agent WR?

chugwater's picture

Most people would. Ted won't.

DrealynWilliams's picture

Highly doubt it. We didn't bring in help for the TE position where we are obviously weak at. Why bring in someone from outside to a position we're deeper in?

PaulRosik's picture

Knowing the Packers they probably just see if the young guys can get it done. I wish they would go after Reggie Wayne for a one year deal if he is in shape and ready to roll.

Dan Stodola's picture

Nope. Packers are draft and develop. That means this is a prime opportunity for a player to develop. More chances for Adams, Montgomery, Janis or White to make plays and prove they belong.

Business as usual for the Packers.

porupack's picture

Absolutely agree that the team has a strong corps that will surpass expectations b/c the situation demands that they do. No more "easing" in the WR second tier. Some people just rise to the occasion, and many of those would fail if they didn't have the dire emergency to command perfection.

EdsLaces's picture

If they did and we needed that bigger outside guy I vote Meachem or however the hell you spell it. Big dude good speed probably pretty cheap?

croatpackfan's picture

There is the reason why he is cheap... Physical characteristic does not wins the battles. See Randall Cobb! Amendola etc... You need to catch, not to have nice speed only!

J0hn Denver's Gavel's picture

I tried to really watch Janis today, to check out the supposed problems he has with running his routes. Well, he really swings is arms when he runs. When he picks up speed, they move faster, when he breaks, he stops or slows down his arms. DBs are gonna catch that. He stutter steps, and he also went to the line once w/o knowing what the play was. All in all, his technique did seem pretty weak to me, today. He better step it up, we really need him on the boundary, now more than ever.

croatpackfan's picture

Thanks for this short analysis of Jeff Janis. Lot of Packers fans are in love with his speed. But he is only that. And what he did in Pittsburgh? The worst fair catch fubmle I ever withness in pro football... He is nice when he catch the ball, but that happens every 3rd attempt... I hope Jared will be back this week finally. Because we need him now a lot!

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Croat, I, too, really like Abby's skillset. I thought he would be a consummate possession receiver for 10 years in the NFL, and a receiver that Rodgers would like due to the precision with which he runs routes. Sadly, I think he needs to return to practice immediately, and it still might be too late. If he does come back and completely wows us, I still have some reservations about giving a roster spot to a guy that I have to wonder whether he can last a full season. You're right though - we could use a WR to really step up now.

Chad Lundberg's picture

NOOOOO! I'm going to be "that guy" and say that there's STILL A CHANCE he's not torn his ACL! He ran off the field, and didn't even limp to the locker room. Pray that we find out that he badly sprained his MCL, out only 8 weeks or something. That being said, we absolute HAVE TO sign a veteran receiver, even if it's James Jones or something.

Spud Rapids's picture

Why do you think we need to sign a veteran? If a receiver is available now he probably isn't good enough to be on a roster. Foolish to say we HAVE TO...

Evan's picture

James Jones is the only guy I'd want - he's the only guy who could potentially be available who has the history with Rodgers and veteran savvy that will be so sorely missed without Nelson. I'd also add Jennings, but he's far less likely to get cut.

Otherwise, I'd take White/Janis/whoever over the Reggie Waynes of free agency.

PaulRosik's picture

James Jones is on the Giants where he will continue his career of being the number 4 receiver of that team.

I like the idea of Wayne is he's fit and ready to run, but the Packers management probably thinks like you and will go with the young guys.

RCPackerFan's picture

And the Patriots already signed Wayne.

Evan's picture

"James Jones is on the Giants..."

I know, I'm just sort of not expecting him to make the final 53.

DrealynWilliams's picture

Expecting or hoping?

Or....both?

Imma Fubared's picture

Jones was downhill two years ago so why would we want him now? He is easily covered, lacks downfield speed and is old. Janes Jones is a step backwards fore this team.

Chad Lundberg's picture

I didn't rip apart a picture of the pope dude, I just said we need to sign James Jones. There's nothing outlandish about saying that.

And that was before Nelson tore his ACL, obviously circumstances change the way they feel about picking someone up. They didn't really need someone before because they had enough WR's before, but now we've lost our best and most experienced receiver. That's got to demand action be taken.

James Jones probably won't be with the GIants for long, but he will fit right back in Green Bay imo. He won't be as good as before, but it's something.

PETER MAIZ's picture

Tolzien, in my honest opinion, looked mechanical. He didn't release quickly. He couldn't replace Rodgers for any length of time. And this is important because it's his third year with the Pack. I think he's already27 and should play with more fluidity.

Imma Fubared's picture

Maybe its me but I do not remember hearing one iota about Perry or Datone (my bust brothers) making any plays at all. Time to cut our loses and realize these were two poor picks that wasted great opportunities.
Had Ted done better in the first, we may have won another SB. These guys are pathetic.

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