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Packers Vs. Lions: First Impressions

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Packers Vs. Lions: First Impressions

My immediate thoughts on the Packers - Vikings game without benefit of a re-watch.

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First third and five, a simple quick slant to Cook. That's all I've ever wanted on thrid down. Just get the first - take your shots downfield on earlier downs. A real pet peeve for me.

Another pet peeve, the second and 10 shotgun handoff. And it goes for little gain. Can't fix all my pet peeves at once, I guess.

A lot of people underestinated this Packers defensive line. Kenny Clark, Brian Price and Christian Ringo all getting snaps on the Lions' first drive and all with a positive impact.

Note to Ted Thompson: Keep drafting Stanford players. Montgomery with the absolutely brilliant move touching the kickoff from out of bounds.

The Aaron Rodgers we are seeing this first half - getting the ball out quick, taking what is there, not trying for the big play every time, is pretty much unstoppable.

Packers youth in the secondary getting a chance to show their stuff with Shields and Burnett out. Gunter, Hawkins and Brice all making some plays.

I have never thought much of Eric Ebron, but he's having himself a day in the middle of the field.

Matthew Stafford is throwing it up for grabs. Packers could have a few INTs already.

Secondary takes another hit - Damarious Randall goes out.  (ended up returning in second half)

Well, I predicted a 33-17 win for the Packers and here we are at 31 points already with a minute left in the half..

Halftime: Packers 31 - Lions 10

Jayrone Elliot picking up Datone Jones' snaps today. Once he's in a groove, not a lot you can do to stop him.

Jared Cook and Aaron Ripkowski are also out for the game. Roster taking its all around.

Have to give some credit to Detroit - they are going after the Packers' decimated secondary (now 31-17).

Middle of the field continues to be a safe zone for opposing WR or TEs. How many years have we been saying that for?

Marvin Jones just keeps finding the hole in the zone between CB Randall and S Clinton-Dix, who always seems to be late in helping.

Eddie Lacy was much more decisive in his running today. Cut out the tip toe hesitating, picked a hole and went full bore. The difference in his effectiveness was very apparent.

JC Tretter moves so well downfield. Wish they would get him out there on screens more often.

Final Score: Packers 34, Detroit 27

 

Final thoughts:

Do we credit Mike McCarthy for changing the offensive approach or Aaron Rodgers for taking the easy completions when he has them?

Why does the Packers' defense always seem to let one guy have a career day against them? Although in this case, you could argue for BOTH Ebron and Jones.

Lane Taylor is showing me I wasn't wrong in thinking Josh Sitton was a bit overrated.

Best $5M Packers spent his offseason might have been the one year deal for Nick Perry. He's being the difference maker you expect from a first round pick.

Where the hell is the deep safety help for Randall when he's on the opposing team's best receiver?

Hate a week 4 bye, but Damn the #Packers hospital ward needs it.

Will the Packers ever have a true "laugher" again? 31-3 lead wasn't enough?

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"Jersey Al" Bracco is the Editor-In-Chief, part owner and wearer of many hats for CheeseheadTV.com and PackersTalk.com. He is also a recovering Mason Crosby truther.  

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Chad Lundberg's picture

No. 1 lesson learned today - PLEASE COME BACK SAM SHIELDS!!

Idiot Fan's picture

I'm so torn on this. We definitely need him, but five concussions is no joke.

Chad Lundberg's picture

I'd say let him come back, but one more and he may seriously have to consider retiring.

dobber's picture

They've got to find SOMEONE...

Amanofthenorth's picture

They will get better, but can those kids win a super bowl? flip side they will have to cut or trade a promising player and a draft pick(s). Tough decisions. TT I trust.

al bundy's picture

Pass d sucks with him or without. They look for who rollins or randall is covering and thats were the ball is going. until these guys learn to cover or are replaced, teams will exploit this. The lions could have possibly won if they would have given up the run early on and passpassed passed. They founfd out to late this was the route to take.

holmesmd's picture

Solid win. Still many lessons to be learned. Lacy is legit. We need to fix the back end. If the pass rush doesn't get home, these guys can't cover a bed with a blanket. Smh. Good win

Lphill's picture

Bench Randall after the bye no way he can cover Cruz or Beckem .giving up 200 yards is unacceptable .

dobber's picture

The Giants are similar to the Lions, offensively, only their WR talent is much better. If the Packers don't get better over the bye, that game is going to be in the 40s...

Idiot Fan's picture

Dline played well against the run, but there wasn't much pass rush, which helped Stafford pick apart the secondary. Hopefully when Clay and Datone come back that will help both parts of the D.

dobber's picture

Lack of depth (and no way Elliott's in game shape) means pass rushers had to be gassed there at the end... and they looked like it.

Farts_After_Wins's picture

*poot*

TommyG's picture

This feels so odd to say but I actually missed this guy.

Kyle Graham's picture

The defensive performance I expected with 5 starters out. Kudos to McCarthy for switching to some quick hitters. The play calling got a tad bit conservative in the second half but Lacy was looking really good. I'm very happy. Now it's time for the bye that has come at a perfect time.

BELIEVER's picture

The play calling was crap in the second half. MaCarthy wet himself. Cobb showed he don't belong starting. Him and Adams need to sit. Rodgers is back, Nelson is back and so is MaCarthy. Defense is banged up and still won. Good game.

MarkinMadison's picture

The play calling in the second have was designed to burn clock and give the defense a rest. TOP was 2:1 in favor of the Lions in the first half, despite the score. With a depleted defense, they were getting really gassed.

chugwater's picture

"Cobb showed he doesn't belong starting."

You can show yourself out now.

Nick Perry's picture

The Packers looked like the Packers in the first half. Jordy looks like he's rounding into shape.

The Packers look like the Packers again in the 2nd half, the Packers of the last 14 games. McCarthy had that really stupid look on his face right before Rodgers ran for a first down to basically seal the win. Rodgers wasn't going to let Mental Mike F*** up another one though he seemed to try.

WHY does it feel no matter how far ahead the Packers get it's never safe. I know the Lions are better than previous years but it's still the Lions. Randell hit the Sophomore Slump going 110 MPH. My God Son!!!

Nick Perry was a beast. 2 Sacks, 2 TFL...He's making more money for next year by the week.

Edit... A win is a win so it was definitely better than the last 2 games offensively.

Thank GOD it's a Bye week next week. This team is wounded badly!!!

dobber's picture

For Nelson, this is essentially like the start of the regular season, considering his limited practice time in preseason and no game snaps.

cpabandit's picture

For Aaron Rodgers, this is essentially like the start of the regular season, considering his limited practice time in preseason and no game snaps.

Wenis's picture

LoL......... Martyball McCarthy did his best to let this one slip away. That lost look on his face is classic.

BELIEVER's picture

that is so true

WKUPackFan's picture

This would be funny if you knew what Martyball is, or was. But, you don't, so it's just pathetic instead.

NashvilleCheesehead's picture

Regime change....

Oppy's picture

#tears4taryn

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

IDK, Fackrell looked like he could really develop into a player.

Oppy's picture

#tears4taryn is indeed in reference to Taryn's scouting report on Nick Perry, because every time he plays well, it is one step closer to Taryn being "wrong" about a player "for the first time", as she has a perfect record on predicting success or failure on all Packers personnel she's ever commented on.

Amanofthenorth's picture

And Martinez into the man in the mask

BELIEVER's picture

I agree, I hate to say it but this team is going no where with that wimp of a head coach. Time to say good bye. Too much talent to piss it all away. I just don't understand him. I've been watching football over 40 years, I wonder if he even realizes that he soft.

chugwater's picture

I don't get all of the negativity. We were missing CM3, Datone, Guion, Shields, and Burnett. Also Cook was out when momentum swung. We go up by 21 at half that tightens when a bunch of developing rookies play, and then everyone starts clutching their pearls.

Good lord. Settle down. It's a long season. The team you saw today won a good game, but will be tougher come January barring injury which is the same exception for every NFL team.

Amanofthenorth's picture

Half of these clowns are Viking fans deliberately trying to disrupt the Packer organization. A fifth column. Fans get coaches fired so, work like mad to get your enemies' fans in an uproar. Would t the Division love to see packer leadership disruptions?

dobber's picture

Many of the things we asked for offensively over this week: mixing personnel, getting the ball out faster, different formations. Packers did many of them (especially in first half) and the offense looked pretty good. Second half, they didn't have the ball nearly as much, but got the key first downs at the end. Would like to think that if some of those defensive starters had been available that this is a laugher...

Idiot Fan's picture

Agreed. I just looked at the game log, and they only had a single drive in the third quarter, and on that one they marched the ball well (5-minute drive), but the holding call on Bulaga forced them into a FG. D just couldn't get off the field prior to allowing points.

chugwater's picture

D was missing Shields, Datone, CM3, and Burnett. Lotta rookies got valuable playing time today w/o sacrificing a win.

This is the NFL. Blow outs aren't as plentiful as NCAA.

Hematite's picture

I don't believe Shields and Burnett would have made that much of a difference in that secondary, but who knows.

dobber's picture

First off, the communication in the secondary is likely much better if Shields and Burnett are playing over Hyde/Gunter/Hawkins. Veterans in familiar roles playing around guys they're used to playing with...

dobber's picture

"You give yourself Waaay to much credit."

How so? Never anywhere did I say I dialed up MM and said, "Hey, dude, here's the game plan we came up with at CHTV, make sure you implement it verbatim." All I said was that these were things that came up at CHTV this week and that we saw some of it in the game....and that the offense picked up this week. If you go back, you'll find that I've always been critical of those who claim that the Packers need to listen to us and our ideas...

I'll be curious to see the snap counts, but, as a start, Ripkowski likely played as many offensive plays in the first half (before he got hurt) as he has all season. I wonder how many of us raised eyebrows at the Packers coming out with two backs/two wides on that first drive?

Nick Perry's picture

The first drive of the game by the Packers was the best drive I've seen in 15 games. They were snapping the ball with 20 seconds still on the play clock on several plays. They really did it the entire first half.

1st Drive..8 plays..75 yards..3:38 minutes
2nd Drive 4 plays 60 yards..1:40 minutes
5th Drive 7 plays 67 yards ..3:53 minutes

In the 2nd half they only scored 3 points

9 plays..47 yards..5:09

Seems to me when they don't run the clock down to 2 seconds before snapping in they became more effective. Obviously it's one game but interesting and worth watching.

RCPackerFan's picture

They became a lot less predictable in this game! They found rhythm then went into a tempo vs trying to force the tempo.

Definitely played better.

RCPackerFan's picture

I didn't read your comments before I posted mine.

I'm really curious to see the snap counts and the percentage of formations they used.
They definitely mixed it up a lot more today!

L's picture

Snap Counts:

E.Lacy = 38 (70.4%)
J.Starks = 12 (22.2%)
A.Ripkowski = 11 (20.4%)

J.Nelson = 49 (90.7%)
R.Cobb = 42 (77.8%)
D.Adams = 25 (46.3%)
T.Davis = 12 (22.2%)
T.Montgomery = 4 (7.4%)
J.Janis = 3 (5.6%)
J.Abbrederis = 0

R.Rodgers = 43 (79.6%)
J.Cook = 14 (25.9%)
J.Perillo = 17 (31.5%)

dobber's picture

Was hoping the Packers would get some help from Carolina today... **sigh**

DrealynWilliams's picture

I tried to tell y'all about that Defense...

chugwater's picture

Or that Cam isn't as good as everyone thought he was.

DrealynWilliams's picture

So, they just hand out MVP trophies all willy nilly, huh?

chugwater's picture

Many said Cam finally elevated his game to elite status last year. MVP was warranted, but we will see if he can sustain it.

To be fair he played the two toughest defenses in the league. Should be easier sledding in the coming weeks. Time will tell.

chugwater's picture

(The dreaded double post strikes again.)

DrealynWilliams's picture

Ahh, I don't know where to start off.

Random Stuff:

Nick Perry - Take that, Taryn.

Rodgers sure was under the Center a lot more.

The phuck is up with Randall & his bad habits?!

Rodgers played much better today.

I can watch Fackrell's film all day long. Did y'all see the way he set the Tackle up for that sack? BEAUTIFUL!

I must really like Thomas now because I was all smiles even when he dropped the INT.

I am so comfortable with our backup Safeties.

See what happens when you give Lacy meaningful carries? He should've had more than that.

That Jordy guy is pretty damn good. Am I the only one who hates seeing do even the slightest twist or spin?

Oppy's picture

#tears4Taryn

Since '61's picture

Remember Oppy - Taryn also told us that Fackrell would be good and so far she's looking pretty good on that one. Thanks, Since '61

dobber's picture

There were an awul lot of downs where Fackrell ran right into his blocker and got stuck, too. Still...just a rookie...

Oppy's picture

Since '61,

Taryn has repeatedly said that Nick Perry was a bust, and had no skills that would translate to OLB, and that the Packers were leading a "failed experiment" drafting a DE and converting to a 3-4 OLB (even though that's what 3-4 teams do, historically speaking).

Really, the biggest reason I'm launching #tears4taryn is her recent boast that she's "never been wrong" on a player assessment before.

So, Maybe I'm a jerk, but #tears4Taryn is my celebration of Nick Perry's finally being over the injury bug and showing what those who've paid attention already knew- the guy can ball.

GBFaninCA's picture

Knock on wood please!!!!!

GBFaninCA's picture

Knock on wood please!!!!!

DrealynWilliams's picture

Lol

holmesmd's picture

You like Thomas now?! Who would have ever imagined that?!;) Lol

ray nichkee's picture

Jordy is back.

The run D is for real.

Lacy is still a beast.

The foot is still too light on the gas pedal after a sizeable lead.

...and oh yeah, to the square peg in a round hole girl, Nick Perry is for real...when healthy.

ray nichkee's picture

Forgot Thomas looked like a starter. Peppers and Elliot looked good too.

Oppy's picture

#tears4taryn

Big Moe's picture

"The foot is still too light on the gas pedal after a sizeable lead."

AMEN!!!

No lead is to big keep poring it on, please!

jeremyjjbrown's picture

"Do we credit Mike McCarthy for changing the offensive approach or Aaron Rodgers for taking the easy completions when he has them?"

They both get the credit. They both finally did the right thing. But they need to keep doing it. The fact that it took SOOOOOO long to get there makes me wonder ig they will quickly revert to the former strategy.

dobber's picture

^^THIS^^

RCPackerFan's picture

I like the game plan in this game.

They got Lacy the ball more. They mixed personnel much better. They attacked the whole field. Their timing was much better. They were much less predictable.

Hopefully they keep this up.

Tom Dempsey's picture

What happened in the 2nd half ? Did the Lions get better or did the Packers get worse ? Glad for the win !
!!! Go Pack Go !!!

chugwater's picture

The coaches realized Detroit had to score at least three times in 30 min against a defense with three missing starters. They opted to run the ball more which helped kill the clock.

Several rookie free agents played in the game on defense and got valuable playing time.

No need to panic. This was a solid win.

DrealynWilliams's picture

I wonder if those 4 consecutive road games played a part in any of our inconsistent play.

chugwater's picture

This is only week 3.

DrealynWilliams's picture

Last two preseason games plus the first two regular season games?????

chugwater's picture

Oh come on. Those last two preseason games were played by 3rd and 4th stringers. They had eleven days between the last exhibition game and Jax.

They aren't that fragile. Get a grip.

DrealynWilliams's picture

So, home games don't matter. Got cha.

Colin_C's picture

Thank God for some real offense today. I know people will say they didn't play as well in the second half, but they only got the ball a few times. All in all, I'm satisfied. Now, the defense. Run defense was superb again, pass rush was decent, but what the heck happen to our secondary! I get that we have a lot of injuries, but that was atrocious. Randall is getting burnt often, and opposing QB's know it. And our safeties are not giving any help over the top. Besides the massive 1st half error, I though Hawkins played well for his first time starting.

I'll be at the game in two weeks, and the Giants have loads of talent at WR, so Capers and Whitt had better get their guys whipped into shape.

Norm's picture

Really? You didn't read the sentence that said "I get that we have a lot of injuries, but that was atrocious. " You're too quick to attack others, try giving people the benefit of the doubt man.

ray nichkee's picture

Norm! Well put.

chugwater's picture

"I get that we have a lot of injuries, but that was atrocious."

That statement alone proves you don't understand the impact of injuries. The play today is about what you can expect from a number of undrafted rookies playing in the secondary early in the season. No team is deep enough to have Josh Norman backed up by Darrell Revis. Don't condemn them in Sep. (Do that in Jan.)

Colin_C's picture

Haha, I'm a Packer fan and you think I don't understand injuries. Week 1 had both starters in, and Jacksonville put up a significant amount of passing yards. Do you think our secondary played well today? If so, re-watch the game. If not, well, that's my point. They played poorly, and need to improve. Case closed...

Colin_C's picture

As stated, read the whole comment... Just because our best guys are out doesn't mean we shrug our shoulders and resign to the fact that opposing QB's will have a field day. I'm confident the secondary will improve significantly by years end, but it has a long way to go. Geez...

chugwater's picture

I guess we just have a difference of opinion on 'long' way to go. With two starters out every team has a long way to go.

greenngold's picture

A tale of two halves. Played a great first half against a depleted defense and our youth on defense really showed in the second. At one point I counted seven first and second year players on the field. I can't really say MM got conservative in the 2nd half... kind of just scratching my head over how they didn't move the ball... then again you actually have to HAVE the ball to move it. I know Eddie ran hard, and had a good game, but damn, there were some huge holes that a back with wheels could have broken for huge yards. Lets get healthy and make a run. Baby steps baby, baby steps. Oh, and by the way, Mike Zimmer can friggin coach.

chugwater's picture

This...

Nerd's picture

Agreed, when Aaron is executing the offense, going through his progressions and getting the ball out, he's nearly unstoppable.

Seemed like they struggled a little bit when Cook went out. But Aaron was freelancing a little bit more in the second half too, imo.

Oppy's picture

Its amazing how the offense works, when you work the offense. :)
Keep it up, Aaron. Trust the offense until you don't have a choice but to improvise, THEN do your thing.

Oppy's picture

I really appreciate the cut and paste, so thanks for that, but I didn't say a word about personnel groupings... and I wouldn't have, because the difference today was mainly that the QB executed the offense as opposed to dancing and freelancing, holding the ball and locking on to one receiver instead of working through the progressions and hitting the open WR as the offense dictates, IMO.

paxbak's picture

- I loved seeing this team and Rodgers look so good in the 1st half.
- I hated seeing them go into a shell in the 2nd half.
- The defense had a rough day. But I saw lots of rookies play and make plays. Fackrell with a sack, Elliot with a play behind the line. Hawkins with the pass defended.
- This game was similar to many Packer win during the 2011 season were we would go up big only to give it back and make a game out of it.
- With a lot of banged up players, the bye week comes at a perfect time. I hope Cook is OK or it’s over before it started. We need the middle of the field.
- Defense made a few plays but gave up way too many big plays.
- Lacy got going a little bit. Rodgers has to follow up the runs with completions to keep drives going
- Rodgers has got to throw the ball to the middle. During his slump (which he may still be in), he relied on holding the ball and throwing the ball to the outside. Today, in the 1st half, he utilized the middle of the field and got the ball out of his hands fast. In the second half he resorted to scrambling and holding the ball again. He made some great scramble plays
- Is Crosby dialed in our what!!
- I think Ty Mongomery showed how he got into Stanford with that smart play on the kickoff.
- Overall, I would like to see the Packers and especially Rodgers put together a full game. We can’t beat better teams with half games. There was no reason this should have gotten close. Keep the hammer down!!

holmesmd's picture

It's the 3rd game of the season.

Rodgers had a passer rating of near 140!

Lacy and the O - line implored their will on the Lions, demoralizing them for multiple runs over 7-8 yds. What game did you watch

Capers & Whitt need to get the back end sorted out. Too many zone concepts. Not going to work unless the rush gets home in 3 seconds. Let the young fellas have their nuts drop and play man like an elite defense you aspire to be! This stupid zone coverage shit has pissed me off for a decade. It rarely if ever is effective against a good QB.

Where was Abby? Monty needs to get a lot more snaps.

The world has not ended, #12 can still be one of the best in the game.

Another MASH Unit early season. Let's hope that's not the case in December?

Good home win albeit, certainly not perfect. Go Pack

Oppy's picture

There was a ton of man out there today. That's how Randall got worked.

Jersey Al's picture

Have to disagree. I saw a lot of zone. Randall even said so after the game. "“We played quite a few zones and Stafford was just finding the holes and hitting them,” Randall said."

Randall was getting safety help way to slowly - same as last week.

Norm's picture

I was thinking the same think Al, I saw mostly zone. I'd be curious to see from someone with access to the All 22 what the deal was with the lack of safety help, was it slowness afoot or were they just outschemed by Jim Bob Cooter, who is a pretty decent OC (I still laugh every time I hear that name, it really sounds like a Dukes of Hazzard character).

Oppy's picture

I guess I'll have to defer to Randall, but it sure looked like trail man coverage to me on a good number of those completions.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Dix is a good FS. I've commented to some derision that I am still waiting to see him get over in time to actually help a CB. I just don't think he has the speed to be elite, but I do think he can be very good. Of course today, plenty of problems over the middle and problems on the boundary.

jh9's picture

What we saw in the first half today from the Packers was a relief. Now, they have to play that way for 60 minutes in every game.

When we have a sizable lead in the second half I don't ever want to see MM's turtle offense or Caper's "prevent" defense again. When are those two men ever going to learn?

dobber's picture

I would like to think that what we saw in the second half was more a function of a decent offensive opponent and a group of guys in the secondary who just don't play together a lot.

Oppy's picture

I ask this whenever I see it:

Can you define how you know when the defense is in "prevent" compared to when they are in a different defense?

If so, please describe for me.

jh9's picture

From what I saw, the Packers played a deeper zone defense in the 2nd half. The Packers defense in middle of the field was weak in the 1st half and got weaker in the 2nd half.

Oppy's picture

I can't comment on that, because I watched the game on Television, where you rarely get a glimpse of the secondary until the ball is passed deep or the WR makes a reception and runs deep enough to see that part of the field- in which case, a few seconds have already gone by and players aren't anywhere near where they were at the snap of the ball.

It's one of the things I really dislike about modern football telecasts. There was a time we got to see nearly all 22 on the tv at once. I wish they'd bring that back.

Color me envious if you were at the game. I wish I could have been there.

Point Packer's picture

Get a good lead and do everything you can to blow it. Classic McCarthy.

Oppy's picture

Just to be clear on this, you're saying Mike McCarthy calls the defense?

DrealynWilliams's picture

Lol, classic @Oppy......classic

Point Packer's picture

Just to be clear, Sloppy. McCarthy is the Green Bay Packer coach, correct? Not Dom Capers. Regardless of his influence over the defense, he called a shitty conservative 2nd half offensively which was the main reason it was much closer than it should have been.

And you are a dbag.

Oppy's picture

I prefer the term 'tool', but I'll totally defer to your expertise on all things douchey on this one. :)

With love,
Oppy

WKUPackFan's picture

@Point Packer - What don't you understand about a 21 point lead? Kill 30 minutes, win the game. Keep everything in front, make the team that is behind have to eat the clock. That's exactly what happened.

Quit spouting idiotic terms like "prevent defenses", especially when you can't answer a simple question as to whether you know what those terms mean.

Point Packer's picture

Where did I spout "prevent defense". I simply thought MM called a crappy second half.

Point Packer's picture

Where did I spout "prevent defense". I simply thought MM called a crappy second half.

Tundraboy's picture

"MM's turtle offense". Lol. Still laughing although I wish MM would just let it fly. Turtle Offense.

Since '61's picture

It was nice to see the Packers offense and Aaron Rodgers return to Lambeau for at least the first half of today's game. Offense and defense looked awesome until Hawkins gave up the long TD play at the end of the half. Prior to that the Lions were going nowhere and the Packers O was doing whatever they wanted to do. Second half the injuries to the Packers defense took their toll. Once again the middle of the field was pitch and catch against the Packer D. Good to see the Packers offense run out the clock for the last 4 minutes. Lacy was a difference maker today and Perry on defense as well. Hate to have such an early bye week but our guys, especially the defense, need it to heal up and get back for the Giant game. I'm concerned that the Giants WRs will run wild against our DBs but that can wait for now. Enjoy the return of AR. Hopefully he stays around for the rest of the season. Thanks, Since '61

4thand1's picture

Both teams had key def players out. Ziggy and Clay were a wash. The Packers secondary was a mash unit. Big penalties and a few key drops killed the off in the 2nd half. Plays, 24 run, 24 pass, AR 129 qb rating. MM always, I mean always takes his foot off of the gas. Its Lacy then everyone else at RB. Mn is for real on D, 7 sacks 3 ints. The Pack should have had at least 3 picks. A win is a win, ask the Giants, Cards, Panthers. I had all 3 of those wrong. The Pack covered then spread!!!! it was 6.5 at game time.

The TKstinator's picture

So we want Lacy to carry a lot but we don't want MM to take his foot off the gas? I think we also don't want Bulaga to get that holding penalty when 12 runs for the first down nor do we want Trevor Davis to drop that pass. Or penalties on punt returns.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Yes, but one of the illegal blocks - IIRC - sprung Davis initially. Bulaga´s penalty was very questionable, as was the penalty Perry drew against Decker. Apparently if the d-lineman falls to the ground, it is holding. Looked to me like Perry simply lost his balance and fell over.

holmesmd's picture

Sorry but running Lacy isn't synonymous with " stepping off the gas". It's about moving the chains and minimizing turnovers, which statistically is the most effective way to protect a lead. Does everyone want Rodgers to fling the ball around every down in the 4 the quarter with a healthy lead? I would think not.

The TKstinator's picture

I think we are in accord.

Norm's picture

Actually i'm in a camry but what's the difference?

dobber's picture

If Davis catches that 15-yard-sideline route that hit him right in the belly in the 4th quarter, what would we be saying? Find some hands, dude.

4thand1's picture

I meant forget these other rb's, feed Lacy. Balance is not taking your foot off of the gas.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Didn´t you forget Deandre Levy? And his back up was also injured. But it might have been a wash with all the guys we had out.

PaulRosik's picture

It looks like nothing was wrong with the Packers offense that not playing the Vikings couldn't solve (just ask the panthers).

On D we better hope its the injuries to Shields and Burnett that had this secondary looking like Swiss cheese. But until they start showing otherwise the O better keep the pedal down and expect that the D isn't going to slow anyone down much.

Who'd have thought that a bye in week 4 ends up being well placed for this banged up team.

dobber's picture

Everyone wants to compare MM to Belichick? Well, Belichick gets a team down, stomps on their throat, and grinds in the heel of his boot. MM is too much of a "gentleman". After 10 years, still doesn't know how to put a team away...

dobber's picture

Again...never said anything specifically about this game. Others were comparing MM to Belichick this week. This is an extension of that comparison, and a long-standing critique that many have had regarding MMs tendencies as a coach. If you go in and look at some of my earlier posts, you'll also find that I recognize that the Packers didn't have the ball very much in the second half.

You can continue to make mountains out of mole hills if it makes you feel better.

DrealynWilliams's picture

I felt MM was trying to finish the Lions. There was a point where I was calling for more Lacy, but the pass plays kept coming. Now, there could've been audibles - we'll never know, but either way, the Offense was never able put the Lions away early.

Tundraboy's picture

And for that and many other reasons there is no comparison. Including adapt and adjust.

chugwater's picture

Yep. Another second quarter comeback for Aaron Rodgers. If only they had put Detroit away in the first quarter.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

GB had 4 drives in the 2nd half. 2 punts, a FG, and the final drive that ended in a kneel down. 3 points. Detroit also had 4 drives in the 2nd half = 17 pts.

GB: TOP of 13 min, 20 seconds, with 22 plays + 3 kneel downs.

Detroit: TOP of 16 min, 40 seconds, and 33 plays.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

RR has made some strides with run blocking. His pass blocking is still terrible. He still has really good hands and might be a bit quicker.

RCPackerFan's picture

Much better. The Offense for the first time finally looked like itself of old.

McCarthy getting more players involved helped. Getting the ball out faster helped. They attacked the entire field today, and spread the ball around.

Overall it was much better today.

RCPackerFan's picture

I don't have the official snap count. But Davis had a lot more snaps then before. Ripkowski had a lot more. They used more 2 TE sets. They didn't run 11 personnel for 70% of their plays. So yes they mixed their personnel a lot more.

Davis had a 66 yard pass interference penalty, which set up a TD. That doesn't count? That deep shot helped loosen up the defense.

DrealynWilliams's picture

Or that 3rd TD.

I've NEVER seen that.

Rodgers under Center

Ty in the backfield

Nelson out wide

Cook and R. Rodgers bunched

And Davis motioned behind Bulaga

RCPackerFan's picture

Exactly!

McCarthy opened up the offense. He created new looks and used different personnel. He mixed it up a lot better and made it less predictable.

That play was a great example.

Point Packer's picture

Classic McCarthy game. Get a good lead, go conservative and do everything you can to blow it. Ridiculous.

Point Packer's picture

And why did they rarely have the ball? Look at the offensive possessions, "BeenInTheDesertWithNoWaterTooLongHasHurtMyBrainPackerFan"..

Tundraboy's picture

Wasnt able to watch or listen to game stuck in car driving in upstate NY, but they must of had the ball a few times in second half. When I finally heard the final score I thought it sounded like a wild shootout, happy they won and scored 34 points. When found out they had 31 at half not so happy. Thought someone really important got hurt on O. Figures MM turtle O strikes again

Oppy's picture

Remember when you were arguing with me, and you called me "Sloppy"?

That might have been your best work.

al bundy's picture

usually I beat on Mike like an old muel for going conservative but not today. Big lead, no need for more points, get the run game with Lacy going and let the O line beat on some people and get used to run blocking.
The only problemo, when the other team is stopping you and then scoring 7 hear 7 there with a piss poor pass defense, you need to go back to what you did at the start of the game mikey. Almost lost this sucker had time not run out.
I too wonder, and not for the first time, where the hell is ha has dix and what is he doing. Does he not understans his role aint to stand and watch the game from center field. Way fn over rated people. If he aint gettin hurt once in a while he aint playin.

Mojo's picture

Went just about the way I thought it would. Arod would go back to mixing it up with the quick rhythm passes combined with occasional shots down field and using the middle a bit more than in the past. Also Arod keeping drives alive by running for firsts when need be.

The results were predictable with GB putting points up on every drive in the first half.

So why was that such a mystery to #12 when so many of us neophytes felt he should have been doing that all along?

4thand1's picture

So did Perrelo replace Cook? MM always plays the percentages, big lead milk the clock. The Packers are so anti pre season, it takes them 3 weeks to hit their stride.

Oppy's picture

My best guess, pride?

Bohj's picture

Hahahaha. Rookie fest on D.
Martinez, Fackrell, Lowry, Clark, Bice, Hawkins. Minus...martinez and clark....these rookies all logged way more snaps than I would have ever expected at this point in the season. That's six Rookies. Add Davis on O and that's seven rookies. Name me an NFL team that played six Rookies on D today and won!! That is something. Second year players: Randall, Rollins, Ryan, Elliot, Thomas(ish). That's five more noobs. 11 guys. That's like our entire defense. I just hope all of these early reps pays dividends as the season wears on and we get guys back.... Then our depth will be better prepared. IE 16 guys on IR....win the big one... Type of prepared. Go pack.

Bohj's picture

If we looked like a college D out there the second half.....just remember that most of these guys were in college just a year or two ago. Give them a break.....they'll grow.

4thand1's picture

One turnover in the game was the difference. Can you imagine if the Packers caught the other picks they dropped? The Thomas drop in Detroit territory would have turned into points.

DrealynWilliams's picture

I was hoping someone would highlight Adams shaking that CB out of his shoes for that easy TD since we all crave for WR separation. But...

I was also waiting for someone to point out the Cook block on Nelson's long reception. Lol. That guy...

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

How about Jimbob Cooter scheming to get a mismatch: Ebron against Nick Perry down the middle (I think it was Ebron both times - might have been a RB the 2nd time). At least Perry was able to trip the receiver up each time, but there was some pretty good separation involved. [I am not dissing Perry - this is a match-up we don't want for any of our EEs.]

I'll give you the nice play by Adams - 2 of them. But we need more than 3 receptions (and drawing a PI call) from wide receivers not named Nelson. Do you call getting hit in the side of the neck (okay, it might have been Cook's shoulder pad) a drop? A failure to adjust to the ball? If it had been Adams rather than Cook, it'd been a drop.

I gave a compliment to RR on his run blocking above, and now your trying to milk another compliment from me about Adams? My compliments for players I don't particularly like come at a more glacial pace than that, I'll have you know.

DrealynWilliams's picture

Good job by that Off. Cord. I hate seeing Perry in coverage too. I understand changing up his assignment from time to time, but I wish it would be more in a zone w/help behind instead of man-to-man vs a much more agile RB/TE with no help behind him. We got lucky on the shoestring tackle.

I don't understand where you're going with this one. WRs can only (try to) catch passes they're thrown. Nelson was simply targeted more this game. That doesn't always mean others weren't getting open.

You don't have to acknowledge his plays. That's why I'm here to remind those that feel the same way you do about him.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

It is fine, remind away, Drealyn. Note though that I don't hate Adams; I think there is talent there. I am not a cut Adams tomorrow guy; I am a play others more guy. I am still surprised by his drops and tend to think that this issue will go away in time. Need all22 to see if the WRs were getting open or not - alas, no one gave Dad that for his birthday again.

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