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Packers to Hire Matt LaFleur as Head Coach

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According to ESPN's Rob Demovsky and Adam Schefter, the Packers are about to hire Titan's offensive Coordinator Matt LaFleur as it's next head coach. LaFleur comes from the Mike Shanahan coaching tree, which produced current hotshot head coaches like the Rams' Sean McVay and the 49ers' Kyle Shanahan. 

LaFleur, 39, was an offensive assistant with Houston; quarterbacks coach with Washington and Atlanta; offensive coordinator with the Rams and Titans, and now HEAD C0ACH OF YOUR GREEN BAY PACKERS!!!

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According to Rob Demovsky, the Packers are also expected to retain Defensive Coordinator Mike Pettine and his staff.

 

Others weighing in on the hire:

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"Jersey Al" Bracco is the Editor-In-Chief, part owner and wearer of many hats for CheeseheadTV.com and PackersTalk.com. He is also a recovering Mason Crosby truther.  

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Oppy's picture

I must have timed my log in right as this was breaking

GBPDAN1's picture

I'm a little torn on this hiring, but, he is now our coach. Let's all support our new Head coach and hope for the best. Go Pack.

Oppy's picture

I have zero preconceived notions on this purported hire.

Coaching is one of those things where it's all about the right place at the right time. I'll eagerly await the assembling of his staff, OTAs and Training Camp to see what kind of ship he'll run. No question there will be some bumps along the way, it's Rodgers' first ever change of offense.

I'm optimistic for the new coaching staff until proven otherwise. The only thing I wish for is he puts Rodgers in check and gets him back to a conscientious, methodical, and deliberate style of play within the structure of the offense. Take charge, coach.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

" zero preconceived notions"

I am very interested in the fact the Henry won AFC player of the month for Dec. To me that is a big deal. This team BADLY needs balance on offense.

Also, Marriota and Gabbert had completion percentages in the upper 60s. Those guys are not on anyone's list of great QBs. If he can make those dudes efficient, I think he can put together some nice stuff for Rodgers.

Additionally, listing to him talk, he's articulate and honest. Listen to this.

Google titansonline.com matt-lafleur-you-have-to-trust-the-process

So much more refreshing than MM pad level BS. Rodgers is going to resonate with Matt LaFleur. How can we blame Rodgers for tuning out MM. I tuned him out 3 years ago and I only hear him on video 10 minutes a week.

Oppy's picture

The thing is.. that "pad level bs" is about the most straight forward, honest football talk you can get from a coach. It's not sexy.. but level, leverage, and technique are what make good football players.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

It's not actual Pad Level that is BS. It's using it a canned response over and over again, and as a diversion to the actual question.

The TKstinator's picture

Trent Dilfer says you’ll get your wish!

splitpea1's picture

I'll second that.

It's a copycat league and the Packers hopped right on the bandwagon. Good for them--they didn't dally around and made what they thought was the best decision. Now they can get a head start on turning this into a competitive team once again. I'll be interested to see how this hiring affects free agent and draft priorities.

kevgk's picture

I dont get this "bandwagon hopping". Coaching is dependent on human beings personalities, and good offense isnt a trend. People can still tailor scheme to players and innovate, not just hand out textbooks.

Oppy's picture

DIslikes because I stumbled onto a "new coach" breaking news article with no comments? lol, c'mon people.

EdsLaces's picture

I know wtf lol

Bure9620's picture

Tough customers here Oppy

4thand10's picture

I gave you a “like” Oppy. :-)

Oppy's picture

let the poo-poo'ing commence!

TheVOR's picture

OK, I'll start..... Wow! Brutal... Was not in my top 3 even, big reach. Nothing about the Titans last year speaks Championship Football to me. As usual, Green must be prevalent in the Packers front office, both Money from salaries and some good bowl worthy cencimillion.. You had to be smoking something to make this choice.

The TKstinator's picture

I have no info, but danged if I’ll be shy about sharing my opinion!!!

Coldworld's picture

Kudos for what will likely prove the most honest comment here!

gbslapshot's picture

Funny how quickly people forget that the 49ers weren't exactly setting the world on fire with McCarthy as the offensive coordinator.

Oppy's picture

Actually, the Saints did pretty good with MM.. It was his year in SF that was poor.

gbslapshot's picture

Oppy I realized my mistake and edited it before I seen that you corrected me. All I could remember was at the time I was not happy about getting the 30th ranked o coordinator. It worked out pretty well until it didn't though.

Oppy's picture

*Sensimilla

...or so i'm told.

The TKstinator's picture

“let the poo-poo’ing commence”

I was the keynote speaker at last year’s Ex-Lax Midwest Regional convention, and used that remark as my opening line.

I will not be THIS YEAR’S keynote speaker.

Oppy's picture

It sounds like you used to be full of it, but you've learned to relax and just let it go.

The TKstinator's picture

Touché!
(Careful to start that word with a ‘t’ and not a ‘d’!)

Lphill's picture

Matt Ryan was great under him and so was the Rams offense. Seems like the Offense guru they were looking for.

4thand10's picture

I don’t know anything about LaFluer. But it seems like everywhere he had been also had improved play and units. A good sign. Hopefully this works out.

Jonathan Spader's picture

Excited to see how the rest of the FO shakes out. I hope LaFleur retains Pettine and gets rid of Zook.

Rak47's picture

Sometimes I have to laugh at your comments JS because it's exactly the same thing I'm thinking. Had just posted on Ross's thread I truly hope LaFleur retains Pettine. Even better hopefully he was required to as part of accepting the job, kinda like the Bears did with Fangio when they hired Nagy.

Nick Perry's picture

Not me...I hope he wants to keep Pettine because that's who HE wants as his DC, not because it was a condition. The last time Murphy laid down conditions we ended up with a "Lame Duck" HC who was fired before the season even ended.

Rak47's picture

Ian Rappaport is reporting that Pettine was on the list of coaches he wanted when he presented his list to Murphy and Gute. I'm so fricking happy if this is true, OH YEAH!

Dash Riprock's picture

I am having fun with this but in all honesty the Pettine retention if true is the best news of all. He was so key to turning this around as quick as possible. It's up to Lefleur to straighten out Rodgers and/or get Boyle ready to go in the bull pen.

Jonathan Spader's picture

That's why I always enjoy our back and forths Rak47 a lot of the times when I disagree with you I find out we're saying the same thing in different words lol. If you ever want to keep in touch outside of CHTV I'm easy to find on FB you already have my full name lol.

Edit: Dash do you have a name for your hate club? I'm thinking the Mad Dashers

The TKstinator's picture

(First rule of hate club: Don’t post about hate club.)

Jonathan Spader's picture

Second rule of hate club: down vote based off of the name of the poster and not what they are actually posting.

Bure9620's picture

I get that a lot

Bure9620's picture

You all have a homework assignment.....

Rak47's picture

I'll look you up on FB, JS. Looks like you have your own following of h8ers. :-}

Jonathan Spader's picture

I try Rak, but no matter how many insightful well thought out posts I write Injust keep getting more thumbs up than thumbs down. Unless I pass on a direct message from the ghost of John Kirk then the hate rolls right on in. I think I found my hate meal ticket. Too bad I have a bad habit of moving on lol.

Rebecca's picture

Thanks for using “LaFleur” Mr. Spader. Is Zook gone yet? The kicking and receiving units were predictably bad for years. Zook’s Yellow Flag Collection Units’ dats are over hopefully.

Bearmeat's picture

I wanted Fitz, but I like this SO MUCH MORE than McDuechebag or Monken. Fleur had baggage, notably his lack of O success in TEN. But they were absolutely destroyed by injury and still almostafr the playoffs. Plus, he committed to Henry as the season rolled on.

Dude got Goff right. That's not nothing.

Rak47's picture

Do a bit of research on Monken if you haven't already Bearmeat. I first thought the same thing but after reading up on him, his successes and how players felt about him he was definitely moving up to my short list. I think Monken will make a solid HC somewhere.

The TKstinator's picture

Hey hey he’s the Monken
People say he Monkens around
He’s too busy coaching
To put anybody down

Bure9620's picture

Rock Solid TKstinator

Bart_Starred's picture

This is so bad I just had to give it an up vote :-). You really know how to “Dolenz” it out TK!

...sorry....

The TKstinator's picture

:)

Bure9620's picture

I'm with ya Bearmeat. We will atleast have an offense from this century.

I was high on Monken as well, sounds like Murphy was too.
His work turning around the complete disaster of a program at Southern Miss in 2 years was simply miraculous. Will be really interesting to see OC is, I doubt they force Philbin on him.

Nick Perry's picture

Ummm...Have you guys watched Rodgers throw deep? I only ask because that's what Monken likes to do. Last time I watched Rodgers was overthrowing our fastest WR by 5 yards.

Bure9620's picture

They should speed up.

dobber's picture

If LaFleur is going to call his own plays (which I expect him to do), does it matter much who the OC is?

jeremyjjbrown's picture

Yes, it matters. The OC will be contributing major parts.of the game plan, running a big part of the installations and managing the day to day for the position coaches. It's an big job. Also if Philbin is still Assistant HC he'll likely be helping with game time management.

Oppy's picture

Good god I hope they let Philbin walk.

We need to clear out all the Rodgers security blankets and yes men.

Priority #1 needs to be getting Rodgers right again. I know some people here think that means coddling him and trying to keep him happy and comfortable, but He needs nudged out of his comfort zone, and reminded that he's a player,who answers to coaches.

I want this head coach to succeed. I believe he needs to surround himself with his guys, not Rodger's.

Nick Perry's picture

"Good god I hope they let Philbin walk.
We need to clear out all the Rodgers security blankets and yes men.
Priority #1 needs to be getting Rodgers right again. I know some people here think that means coddling him and trying to keep him happy and comfortable, but He needs nudged out of his comfort zone, and reminded that he's a player,who answers to coaches."

I haven't watched the WWE or WWF (Whatever it's called) for years and years but Oppy deserves my best Daniel Byron impression for this comment.

YES! YES! YES!

Rebecca's picture

And how did that OC job turn out for them in 2018? The OC will most likely need to be hand picked by LaFleur? I don’t know. I just don’t see Philbin being a big part of the Packers’ future. Yes, he’s very familiar with the Organization, but he’s still a McCarthy team guy.

Hawg Hanner's picture

Weren't the injuries in TN enough to explain the off year their offense had?
I am amazed at how many people will come out and assail this guy

Dash Riprock's picture

No No No!! Anybody but Matt LaFailure. He was the last guy on my list of one. Green Bay fans, say hello to the wine cellar.

Bearmeat's picture

Ok. Other than last year's injury ravaged Titans offense.... Why?

Dash Riprock's picture

Beats the hell out of me Bearmeat. It looks like they went with the young safe pick for Rodgers. I'll have to wait for John Kirk's official report. Interested in what he has to say about it.

Rak47's picture

I think It's pretty obvious they're are looking to duplicate the successes of Shannahan and McVay while going young and fresh but staying with a coach who's foundation is based in the west coast system that AR knows so well.

Bearmeat's picture

Interesting... I didn't remember that Shanahan was a WC guy.

Rak47's picture

Originally Shannahan started out in Denver under Dan Reeves before being hired in Oakland by Al Davis. After being fired and feuding with Davis, he then spent 4 years coordinating offenses for George Siefert in San Fran . This is where he picked up the west coast system and took it back to Denver in 95 as HC after winning a SB in 94 using it with San Fran as their OC. I'm talking about Mike Shannahan who then passed his knowledge to his son Kyle. LaFleur has most recently worked under McVay, Vrabel, Shannahan, and Jay Gruden another west coast guy and Jon Gruden's brother. McVay and Kyle Shannahan have both worked under Jay Gruden recently as well. The west coast offense runs deep with LaFleur.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

Actual West Coast Offense.

Not the MM Mouse Davis Run and Shoot with West Coast terminology but you forget to call run plays or when you do the QB just changes the play to a 50 yard bomb and under throws it by 10 yards.

Jonathan Spader's picture

Dash,

John Kirk is done as a Packer fan and won't be commenting on CHTV anymore. He asked me to pass that onto you.

Dash Riprock's picture

Can you at least ask him his thoughts on the LaFleur signing than relay that info back to all of us here. I am pretty sure I speak for everyone here when I say we would love to know what his final thoughts are on this. He was the only one that agreed with me on Rex Ryan and since I am like really really smart, that tells me he is too.

P.S. Why would Kirk suddenly just pick up and leave Spader? That makes no sense. He was killing it the past week.

Jonathan Spader's picture

Dash,

"You can tell Dash for me that I no longer follow the Packers after 39 years of good and bad football. 

I truly can't stand Mark Murphy and was bracing for this kind of a move. Only Philbin being hired would've upset me more.

Hope we can keep in touch.  I'll return to the team I've loved for decades when someone respectable is running it.  Murphy, Brian, and Matt are too much for me.  It really is, JS."

Dash Riprock's picture

Sorry but that's a bunch of b.s.. Kirk would never refer to Mark Murphy as Mark Murphy. It would be Magic Mark Murphy or whatever he used to call him. I fully expect Kirk to come on here at some point and look forward to one of the few journalists who's opinions I respect.

Dash

fastmoving's picture

at least you are way more funny than smart......."journalists"!!!LOL...this was your best one, even when if you dont know the meaning of most of the words you useing.

Swisch's picture

I'm genuinely sad to see John Kirk leave as a commenter here at CHTV, and especially as a fellow Packers fan.
I'm interested to know why he thinks the LaFleur hiring is so disastrous. Maybe I missed a prior comment in this regard.
In any case, God bless you, John. Please feel welcome to change your mind.

Coach JV's picture

Na na na na... Na na na na... Hey hey....

Lare's picture

I think he was tired of adding to the airport. Sorry about your loss Rash.

Dash Riprock's picture

Ok, forget what I said about the LaFailure comment. I just heard a quote from him saying the main reason he took the job was not only the opportunity to work with Aaron Rodgers but especially Tim Boyle who he said "has all the tools to be a great one and I am the guy who can make him a star". Yeah, I like this guy now. Back to LeFleur now that I know he's a Boyleist like I am. Love this guy!!

JimR_in_SoCal's picture

I heard that all the candidates, except McDaniels, were eager to work with Tim Boyle.

Rak47's picture

Where'd you catch that at Dash? Can you link it?

The TKstinator's picture

The Matrix?

Pierre's picture

Yes Dash, Packers need to make sure they hang on to Boyle as he does have the skills to be a good NFL QB who has shown the potential to really bring the vertical passing game back to GB, like Mahomes is doing with KC, should Rodgers not be able to turn his game around next season.

Dash Riprock's picture

Agree Pierre. No way is LaFleur getting rid of Boyle with those comments. He sees what you and I see.

Dash

Coldworld's picture

I like the pedigree with player development. I have no real feel for his play calling or schematic abilities.

If it is true that he may keep Philbin, the question becomes, for me, what did Philbin bring to the table this year and why was it seemingly so underwhelming? Was he constrained by what the MM system had become, by Rodgers or what? Perhaps Philbin needs a viable direction to unlock his value? On the other hand, perhaps Philbin will be an obstacle to significant change and is more of a security blanket for some one. Not at all sure about his value or otherwise moving forward.

Pettine’s retention is the blessing. One season with an inexperienced O decimated by injuries and with glaring gaps and turnover at some positions is not enough to form a rational view. I respect what he did with, by the end, virtually no one. What can he do with a rush etc and some help will take another season to determine and, in doing so, allow the rookies some continuity in their development rather than a significant reset.

Overall, this is a risk. Betting on unproven potential beyond seeming player development. The alternative was a more proven candidate, none of whom excited me.

McD is someone I am just not sure would work in GB. I remember what he did in Denver when given the reins. He may need a BB to constrain his excesses. At the very least, I have doubts over his transition to HC that elevate his risk factor too.

So here we go. Fingers crossed this is a step in the right direction: only time will tell.

Rebecca's picture

Dash, as Matt LaFleur’s adopted cousin twice removed I know for a fact that he has a huge crush on Boyle and that he is a football player unlike Kizer.

Rebecca's picture

lol Dash! You were taken seriously! :)

Free agent's picture

Wow! Didn’t see that happening. Maybe LaFleur agreed to keep Philbin as the OC to keep Rodgers happy. Wouldn’t be surprised if Pettine remains the DC for next season. Looking forward to watch a new offensive system and hopefully an enthusiastic, and healthy Aaron Rodgers. Bring on free agency and the draft!

JimR_in_SoCal's picture

Please, no.

Need more cowbell, less Philbin.

Free agent's picture

I agree, I don’t want Philbin either.

Coldworld's picture

To take the negative approach, one could look at this as being Murphy and co taking the easy option. Hire a QB guru and keep the popular Philbin and the leadership’s recently hired incumbent DC even if it means going with a candidate whose play calling and offensive design are largely unproven.

I don’t know if the above is the case. I am not an expert on LaFleur by any means. It just seems that no one has pointed out what seems to be an equally plausible explanation as the general assumption shaping this thread, especially if, like me, one has little faith in Murphy,

stockholder's picture

I'm dancing in my street. Heard Pettine and staff are coming back too.

Dash Riprock's picture

and staff? Please tell me they are retaining Zook?

Tarynfor12's picture

Being said the keeping the defensive staff was part of why he got hired...others said no....Zook'ed again?????

JimR_in_SoCal's picture

I hope LaFleur's hire wasn't based on our front office wanting to retain Pettine. The coaching staff should be the new coach's call. Pettine made chicken soup outta chicken shit this season, but I think his retention shouldn't be a requirement for choosing a HC.

Rak47's picture

Dash I'm happy as hell that it looks like Pettine will be back and I thought you would be too, even if it wasn't a pairing with Rex. LaFleur has no reason to keep Zook around as special teams was just awful. The defense improve substantially in several areas under Pettine and should continue to get even better.

Dash Riprock's picture

I'm effing around mostly on this having a great time Rak. I did make a post on it just a bit ago but in all seriousness I am extremely happy that Pettine is staying if this is true. I'll give LeFleur a chance since he loves Tim Boyle. I do feel bad for Old School though. His theory appears to have not come true.

Old School's picture

Yeah, this really caught me by surprise, no doubt. I still think Philbin had a much better resume, but then again, I thought we should have drafted Lamar Jackson last year and kept Nelson and unloaded Cobb.

So Gutekunst and I don't always think alike.

Best of luck to LaFleur. People aren't going to be happy if we miss the playoffs a 3rd straight year, and Gutekunst's stewardship could be a short one if this doesn't work out fairly quickly.

Free agent's picture

Murphy’s ass is on the line as well. I’ll raise a glass to a quick turnaround and 11-5 record next season.

Dash Riprock's picture

Old School, don't be so down on yourself. Everything you said made perfect sense. Now we have to rely on a Frenchmen to lead us to victory. I would personally prefer an Italian or another Mc Irish head coach but that's just me. We'll just have to La wait and La see.

LaDash

Coach JV's picture

Maybe he's just cajun and not actually french? LOL

JimR_in_SoCal's picture

Old School, he’ll have at least a one year honeymoon to show that the Packers are trending back in the right direction, especially given the current state of our roster. I hope his S&C staff can help keep the players healthy and not strain our tenuous depth.

Gort's picture

Dash, I saw your first post just a little while ago and it had 26 dislikes!
Nicely done - not sure if that's a record, but nicely done!

Dash Riprock's picture

You're welcome Gort. I knew going in LaFailure would not sit well but I had to do it Gort... The record means more to me than likes. I can see why Rodgers wanted to play those final two games now.

Dash

jeepingmakooi's picture

Zook is special teams... Not defense not.is he part of the defensive staff

JimR_in_SoCal's picture

Dash Riprock said: "and staff? Please tell me they are retaining Zook?

The Packers have openings for Titletown Park Attendants.

Dash Riprock's picture

staff schmaff. I was in a hurry like Fastmoving and read it quickly thinking they were retaining pretty much everybody. Either way i hope they retain Zook. He's a nice guy from what I understand. People deserve 2nd, 3rd and sometimes even 4th chances. How many is Zook on?

Jersey Al's picture

not everyone is getting your sarcasm, Dash...

Dash Riprock's picture

Sign of the times Al. You try to have a good time during this exciting time and 3/4 of the people are on a different planet. That's ok, I'm fine with it. Oppy even got killed for showing up early. haha

Gort's picture

Maybe you should change your name to Dash Incredible.
You are just too fast for some of us!

4thand1's picture

Too many Dash

stockholder's picture

This is a marriage. Full of magic and knowledge. I think Murphy did an excellent job. Your getting Pettine back. Your getting someone who can help Rodgers. I feel sad for all of you that think you know better. You put your own fantasy ahead of common sense. The packers had don Capers. Two losing seasons. Didn't beat a division team this year. Had problems between MM and Rodgers. This guy is not Darth Vadar. He's had success everywhere. It's his time. Move -on!

dobber's picture

" Didn't beat a division team this year."

Not even Chicago week 1?

Houndog's picture

January 07, 2019 at 04:14 pm

Dash Riprock said: "and staff? Please tell me they are retaining Zook?

JimR_in_SoCal says:
The Packers have openings for Titletown Park Attendants.

OK, Great! They can use Zook as one of the pylons at the bottom of the sledding hill.

stockholder's picture

@Dash- Janis will be the new Special Teams coach. (Saginaw alumni )

Dash Riprock's picture

Janis needs to be signed and immediately gain 25 more lbs and become a pro bowl speedy tight end. If only Aaron could solve his "trust" issues that is the problem. I never asked but does LeFleur have a degree in psychology or psychiatry? That might have been the one thing that put him over the top. Someone check into that for me. Thanks

dobber's picture

Because weight was the reason why he couldn't run a route or adjust one?

Tundraboy's picture

Good one dobber. Short and to the point as always.

Coach JV's picture

I'm with ya on this... I'm a dancing fool right now.
I didn't think Murph had the guts to do the "radical" hire. I thought he'd play it safe... But they're getting a GREAT offensive mind!

And as a D guy myself, the retention of Pettine is the chesse on my burger!
And bacon... can't forget bacon..

Jonathan Spader's picture

Wash it down with a spotted cow Coach JV!

Coach JV's picture

Hehehe... good one!

Coldworld's picture

Going all the way back to Dash’s remark about keeping Pettine’s staff meaning Zook would be retained:

As far as I understand it, DCs generally are not responsible for the ST coordinator and ST play. I certainly did not understand Pettine to be in GB.

As such, I don’t see any remark that would suggest that Zook or his staff are part of the future plans. Personally, I am thankful for that. We need a complete clear out in that area in my view.

JimR_in_SoCal's picture

Best wishes for your success, Coach LaFleur.

LeotisHarris's picture

Guy Lafleur, yes. Matt? I dunno.

I would have enjoyed a few more days to bask in the glory of the Fabulous Double Doink of 2019, but what the heck. I feel better about him than McDaniels, and good to see Pettine and crew will stay.

Mojo's picture

You can still enjoy the Double Doink for the entire off-season. I know I will.

Pack12's picture

It would be a good idea to give LaFleur a chance to see what he can do. I'm sure Ram fans were asking themselves Sean who when McVay was hired. Welcome to Green Bay Matt LaFleur!

Swisch's picture

I wonder what Packer fans were saying when Lombardi was hired?
It's tough to assess these assistants as potential head coaches, I hope the front office received a lot of sincere and insightful references from players and coaches.
That LaFleur was hired so quickly may be a good sign that his overall package of attributes was impressive, including his personal presence and his plans for Packers success.
Perhaps he could have had more experience as an offensive coordinator, but then again, maybe the time to hire him was now.
For whatever reasons, at least for now, I'm excited about LaFleur and the future of the Packers.
Perhaps some offensive innovation is on the way; more of a run game; a leader who is firmly in charge but can also relate to the players with a measure of flexibility; someone not threatened by Pettine remaining, or too egotistical about picking his own defensive coordinator...
We'll see, but I'm hopeful.

Altered Idol's picture

Whoever the Packers appointed was going to have his detractors but I think its a pretty good hire. Won't claim to be an expert on him by any means but he worked with Matt Ryan and Jared Goff during good years for them.

I wasn't really for or against any of the candidates, though had obvious reservations about McDaniels given what went on with the Colts. Keeping Pettine is a good move and with a solid draft and some moves in free agency, I'm optimistic.

One thing I will say, the Packers Front Office haven't gone safe or conservative with this choice. They've picked a promising offensive-minded coach and that to me is intriguing.

Swisch's picture

I think your comment, Altered Idol, reflects a lot of what I'm thinking and feeling. Never heard of LaFleur before, but he seems like one of the up-and-comers with good results in prior positions as an assistant.
It's interesting that he has seemingly worked well with Ryan and Goff in avant-garde passing offenses, yet also likes the run. Presumably, he'll call more passes with the Packers than with the Titans, but it seems we would do well with more emphasis on the run game.
I'm curious about Trent Dilfer's comment that seems to say LaFleur is much the way McCarthy used to be. I wonder what that means?

Mojo's picture

Agree Altered Idol with your comments especially the part about it doesn't matter who was selected, there's going to be detractors.

sonomaca's picture

Wonder what happened with McDaniels?

Dash Riprock's picture

He got Pepe LaFleured.

marpag1's picture

I heard a report that referred to "his my way or the highway" job interview. So if being an untrustworthy jackass wasn't enough, maybe that was the tipping point.

sonomaca's picture

No one really knows about McDaniels interview. I’m guessing they didn’t think he’d get along with Rodgers.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

For all we know they liked JM but they just liked LaFleur more.

Coldworld's picture

I think McD has as many questions about his personality and temperament as LaFleur and others have about their overall head coaching capabilities. I do not see McD as a sure bet to make the next step again, particularly without a dominant leader (elsewhere owner).

There were questions about all the candidates except those who were underwhelming retreads in my view. No idea if we made the right choice or an internally easy one. But I have no reason to point to to say we did not.

Here is to hoping for new ideas and galvanizing leadership! Go LaFleur: Go Pack Go!

Coach JV's picture

Without doubt... and I'm betting he couldn't come up with a staff who'd work for him after the Indy debacle.

Gort's picture

I think McFibber offered the job to himself yesterday then changed his mind this morning.

ricky's picture

When I first saw his picture, I thought it was Rodgers. And that is the key to everything- will AR buy into the new coaching strategy? If not, get ready for a rocky ride.

LeotisHarris's picture

When I saw the photo posted here, I thought they'd hired Bon Iver drummer Sean Carey. That would have been a reach. Tremendously talented musician, terrible choice for HC.

D.D. Driver's picture

Yeah...but he would be great at establishing tempo.

The TKstinator's picture

Bazinga!

Coldworld's picture

Lol, rhythm passing game

Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

Deadpool.

CDC Dave Retired's picture

Absolutely horrible.
What's the rush!
Why not wait until after the Super Bowl.
So he OKs management to keep Pettine as DC. As far as I'm concerned our defense still sucked.
Now we will never know what other potential coaches
could have been interviewed like Eric Beineimy.
Management dictates before he is hired: what happens after he's hired?
As Deputy Sheriff Barney Fife once stated: act in haste repent in leisure.

Rak47's picture

Wait until after the SB and let their top choice for HC land a job with one of the other 7 teams in need of a HC. Sounds like a move Mike Brown would make in Cincy looking to get the cheapest coach he can hire.

Citizen AJ's picture

This is nothing more than a safe pick , typical Packer mind set . Hire a good company man . And keep Pettine ? He comes from how many winning organizations ? The defense was awful ! Just remember the guys they didn't hire and how their careers fare in the next 5 to 10 years . Back to the 70's and 80's mind set .

Dash Riprock's picture

Cancel that mead.

Dash

LeotisHarris's picture

Dave, I think you could have driven your point home more efficiently with a quote from Floyd the Barber.

Bure9620's picture

Lefleur must have wowed, also Monken was close to an offer as well. The Packers want no part of McDaniels after the interview.

GVPacker's picture

I'm guessing McDaniels wore the visor during the interview and that was the reason he didn't get the job!

Bure9620's picture

Visor+fanny pack= amazing

Bure9620's picture

Whelp we will have an offense from this century, that I know.

IshpemingPackAttack's picture

I am OK with this hire. Now lets get some more players that have a mean streak and love to play the game of football!!!

Hematite's picture

Wow, great to have another Packers fan from Ishpeming on here!

jeremyjjbrown's picture

This works for me. I have heard nothing but good things about him. And I really like keeping Pettine.

Now off to watch all of the Titans games, and read all thebTitans blogs.

JimR_in_SoCal's picture

I love Ben Fennell's comment, in Jersey Al's article, above:

"2018 Run Percentage...

TEN: 48.4% (2nd)
GB: 32.5% (32nd)

Get loose @Showtyme_33"

sonomaca's picture

So, are we looking for s big, bruising back, like TN? Ingram, perhaps.

Coach JV's picture

No way... he will help A-Aron #33 unleash. I see our running game actually being one of the strongest in football now.

Swisch's picture

I'd like to see the Packers draft a scatback like Tarik Cohen and Darren Sproles to help in the backfield and with kick returns. It seems we rarely, if ever have, this kind of shifty speedster to add excitement and yardage to our teams.
Anyone remember Terry Metcalf?
A waterbug scatback to go along with a power runner in Jamaal Williams, both of them complementing a rising star in Aaron Jones -- sounds scintillating!

Coach JV's picture

Scintillating... I always liked that word. So rarely have the opportunity to use it in a sentence.

I agree that a quick little scatback would be a helpful addition. Especially - as you mention - if he can return kicks/punts. I can't even remember our last Return for TD.

Irish_Cheesehead's picture

Terry Metcalf! lol Dude, you are as old as I am!

Swisch's picture

From when the Cardinals were in St. Louis, but at least not from when they were in Chicago.
I can't really remember, but my fondness for Metcalf may have something to do with him tormenting the Cowboys in the 1970s.

holmesmd's picture

Uummm, we have one. His name is Aaron Jones. LoL

Swisch's picture

Huge fan of Aaron Jones, but somehow he doesn't seem to fit the profile of scatback. I'm hoping for stardom from him next season, but he doesn't seem to have quite the quick elusiveness that I'm looking for.
To me, a scatback is likely even a little smaller, and is a little more like lightning. That kind of guy could also be a wide receiver, such as Taylor Gabriel.

Johnblood27's picture

I will save the scatology quips for our special teams play...

Coldworld's picture

I am not so sure about a scat back. I am just hopeful that we use Williams and Jones effectively. Williams particularly is a good receiving back in my view.

We do need a kick returner. If we can find a good one who can stay healthy I would take him whether he plays RB, CB, WR or whatever. Given that I have a low expectation of the chance of that player becoming a starter outside special teams, what his notional position is seems unimportant in comparison to talent and durability.

Jonathan Spader's picture

The guy we have that fits that description Swisch is Trevor Davis. Who knows if he'll even be a Packer in 2019.

Coach JV's picture

WOOOOOO!!!!!! YES!!!!!

Lefleur will not disappoint. I have been in this guy's corner all along! The football gods are smiling on us!!!!

Chris Vachio's picture

I'm just thankful we can finally stop with the insane Josh McDaniels lovefest now. Never understood the fascination with him.

Jonathan Spader's picture

It was the visor Chris.

Nick Perry's picture

Really? He's been there coaching for all 5 of New England's SB titles. He was the OC of the 2007 team that went 18-1 and coached the Pats to a 11-5 record when Brady was injured that season week one. He has TON of experience which can't be overlooked.

I mean common, the guy has a great offensive mind. Hopefully our new HC isn't in over his head cuz he has zero experience to draw from.

Chris Vachio's picture

The offense in NE has been about the same since Belicheck took over. Remember how everyone thought Charlie Weis was the greatest offensive mind ever because of NE's offensive success? Notice how the NE offense didn't miss a beat when McDaniels went to Denver...and how O'Brien led them to team records in offense while McDaniels was gone. He's not the reason that offense is so potent. If he leaves this year or somewhere down the road, that offense will be just fine without him.

Dash Riprock's picture

Nick, I think it was the late John Kirk who said to watch for the word "fit". I think he was probably dead on with this. I agree McDaniels clearly had the best results out of them all but the Packers were looking for the perfect clean cut young guy fit for Green Bay. LaFleur was the guy it seems. McDaniels was not the image and fit GB top brass was looking for. He's perceived as a rebel with a bad "tone" that can be a troublemakers plus he wears a visor meaning he's trying to hide something. I only wish I could hear what Kirk's final take on this was. Sad he left before the big one. Why did he leave? WTF happened or who pissed him off?

dobber's picture

He'd said a week or so ago that if the Packers picked Philbin, Campbell or LaFleur, he would renounce his Packers fandom and become a Browns fan. In his words, he was 'bracing' for a bad-news announcement.

Dash Riprock's picture

Wow dobber, I didn't know that. I am assuming you are telling the truth. Well if Kirk didn't like the pick of LaFleur that's not good folks. This guy has been spot on the money. Worse yet we lost him to Cleveland and Al didn't even get compensated. I am at a loss. This is not a good day.

I just hope Kirk can come back for a day to vent. I honestly would like to hear what this guy had to say. He was on another level than all of us.

LeotisHarris's picture

Christ, dobber, I wasn't prepared for this news. Permission to take a knee?

Okay, just caught off guard by the threat of renunciation coupled with a vision of Kirk bracing. For anything. Sweet Jeebus, free my mind from this atrocity!

Was The Renunciation televised? I'll check the WLUK website.

Citizen AJ's picture

Yeah but Nick he's not a nice guy !! That's not the Packer way .

dobber's picture

He'll have at least one assistant (Pettine) with experience as a HC to lean on.

Swigganz's picture

I'm excited to see who he adds to the GB coaching staff.

Guam's picture

Very glad it wasn't McDaniels. Best of luck to Matt LaFleur! Go Pack Go

johngalt's picture

Agreed

Lare's picture

Good to see them hire a young up-and-coming star in the coaching ranks instead of some old retread.

Let's start getting this team turned around!!!

Coach JV's picture

LaFleur can do it... I'd bet my favorite piece of Packer-warez on it!

marpag1's picture

Honestly, I doubt that anyone on this board is at all qualified to judge the various candidates who have not yet been NFL head coaches. I certainly am not.

We'll see.

Coach JV's picture

I coach Jr. Varsity secondary... I'm no "expert", but I know a good offensive coach when I see one - and LaFleur is definitely that!

Citizen AJ's picture

Titans offense 27 th in NFL this year ? God help us !

jeremyjjbrown's picture

I was worried about that too. Until I looked into it more. His group made a lot of progress over the season, in spite of some serious talent and injury issues.

Dash Riprock's picture

If there is anyone qualified I am pretty sure it's John Kirk. I guess we have to wait and see what he has to say.

Lare's picture

Dash, every post making it an airport.

LeotisHarris's picture

Dash, a lot of people are saying Jersey Al has purchased additional servers to handle Kirk's response to this hire, and the ensuing surge in traffic to CHTV.

Dash Riprock's picture

It is rather exciting isn't it Leotis? Everyone has responded to this hiring for the most part except for John Kirk. It's almost as exciting as waiting for the speech on the wall tomorrow night. I hope Kirk goes before the President.

fastmoving's picture

first "Journalist" now "President".

man, your killing it today. Put. trolls in full force

KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

That was fricking funny!

Gort's picture

Beat that dead horse!

PAPackerbacker's picture

Now that the new coach is hired I hope he can bring success back to Green Bay. Matt LaFleur is a solid choice as were others that interviewed for the HC job. I was a little surprised at the choice, but not disappointed. Will be interesting to see the other changes, if any, at the coaching positions. He must have made a lasting impression to be hired without offering any second interviews to the other candidates. I wish him nothing but the best as the new coach of the Green Bay Packers.

johngalt's picture

The last stat showcasing titans vs packers run plays says a lot. Curious who the O staff will be. Looks to be a solid selection though.

canadapacker's picture

As I said on another site -

philcodean says:
January 7, 2019 at 7:05 pm Rodger’s needs fixing

You can say that Rodgers needs fixing – I think the whole offense needs fixing. I would hope that Lafleur keeps the Defenive co-ordinator and whomever else on that side of the ball that is deemed worthy after review. I would hope that the Special teams bunch is retooled from scratch and the all of the Offensive guys are set free with only those that fit Lafleurs eye are brought back. Time for AR to trust and run the system – much like Favre was forced to do under McCarthy. For you guys dumping on the Titans success – Mariota was a banddaid and can not play through pain. McCarthy had a horrible season with the 49ers the year before joining the Pack – that is all water under the bridge – hopefully Lafleur will be given some guidance and enough free rein to have the type of staff that he needs to change things around – and by keeping the D staff together it will be one thing less to have a big worry about. IMHO

Coach JV's picture

All reports are that he'll keep Pettine... so yes Yes YES!

I'm so freaking excited, I don't know whether to shit or go blind! WOOOOO!!!!

LeotisHarris's picture

Please choose to have a bowel movement, son. This just isn't worth risking permanent visual impairment.

Coach JV's picture

You right! LOL

Jonathan Spader's picture

Get shitfaced Coach JV kill 2 birds with 1 stone!

Coach JV's picture

That made me laugh so hard I shot coffee out of my nose!

egbertsouse's picture

I don’t know much about this guy, I’m just glad it’s not Philbin. He has to be better thanMM in his last 2 years.

I really don’t understand all the Pettine love, he’s OK but not any better than a lot of other candidates. Would hate it if they retained Joe Whitt, though. DBs seem to regress after a couple of years of his coaching. And Zook? Fahgettaboutit!

LambeauPlain's picture

You must have missed all that injury stuff...and an amazing lack of quality depth on the D.

Most of the D ended up being street guys...and Pettine still held the D together with duct tape and bailer wire until the Detroit game.

dobber's picture

Keeping Pettine and the defensive staff means it's not a total rebuild. Gives the defense a chance to grow on 2018 rather than learning a 3rd scheme in 3 years. If they don't get better, nobody says they have to keep that defensive staff.

Oppy's picture

Re: Joe Whitt Jr., all you need to know about him:

1) Tramon Williams (UDFA)
2) Sam Shields (UDFA)
3) Ladarius Gunter, as a starter, due to injury.. just barely holding it together against some top flight WR's... for like 4 games.

3) Charles Woodson says he's the finest DB coach he's ever been coached by.

Coldworld's picture

Point 3 is one that carries a lot of weight for me.

EdsLaces's picture

Anything but McDaniels is a win ..

The TKstinator's picture

I wonder if McDaniels will be hired as a HC somewhere, or just return to NE.

dobber's picture

Hoodie, Jr., will get to replace Hoodie some day.

EdsLaces's picture

I'd say you're correct.

Bert's picture

Congrats to coach LaFleur and welcome to GB. I like the hiring. I don't know much about LaFleur but he seems to have a good pedigree and resume. Let's get behind our new HC and hope he succeeds.

Guitar dan's picture

Great hire! Glad they are keeping the Defensive staff!

That formula seemed to work well for the Bears plus Pettine has been a HC and that will help in his first season and beyond.

Very excited to hear his vision and I hope he knows a good candidate for Special Teams Coach please.

GO PACK!

Lare's picture

Pettine got stuck with McCarthy's choices for assistant coaches, I'm hoping LaFleur let's him have some say in his assistants going forward.

4thand1's picture

Lafleur the new HC of the year. His chances will be good, only way to go is up.

4thand1's picture

Can't wait for the 1st presser, one thing we won't hear.......................pad level.

Gort's picture

It would be a hoot if someone told him to say something about that!

Mojo's picture

... but watch out for the first "Gotta clean that up".

LambeauPlain's picture

I have the same feeling for LaFleur as I did for another up and coming wunderkind who had less than stellar OC team stats coming to 1265 Lombardi.

I recall thinking "Mike McCarthy? Wasn't he some TE assistant for Rhodes for a year?"

That worked out rather well...

If he is truly keeping Pettine, he's got a shot to get er done, especially if Gute does too.

Since '61's picture

Lombardi was the NY Giants OC for their 1956 NFL Championship team and for their 1958 Team which lost in OT to Unitas and the Colts. The Giants offense included Chuck Connerly, Frank Gifford and Alex Webster. For that era they were one of the best offenses in the league. Those Giant team also had a great defense coached by Tom Landry.

Lombardi was considered an excellent but under rated coach and to some extent he faced discrimination because he was Italian. Fortunately the Packers hired him anyway. Thanks, Since ‘61

LambeauPlain's picture

What the ???. Apologize for the 3X post. Don't know how that happened.

LeotisHarris's picture

I read each of them and thought man, this dude is consistent! Seems he's found his posting identity.

Tundraboy's picture

Pleasantly surprised, no "favorite",retread or another Mc_______. Now change Zook out and get ready for next season.

Mojo's picture

Firing Zook might be his first move.

Bure9620's picture

If not he's off to a questionable start

Rak47's picture

A bright young offensive mind held in high regards and he wants Pettine on his staff! I feel like making a freaking McDonalds commercial. dah dah dah dah dah " I'm loving it!

Fordham Ram's picture

Now if we can fire Zook and hire Lombardi that would make it a trifecta.

NitschkeFan's picture

From ESPN

"LaFleur will have say over his coaching staff in Green Bay. However, an ESPN source indicated that he would like to keep defensive coordinator Mike Pettine on for next season. "

Maybe that helped him get the job. He certainly appears qualified and it would be interesting to know who he may have mentioned as his possible OC and/or QB coach candidates.

Trapped in MN BUT GB fan's picture

New poster from Minnesota, land of the chokers. So far the people I talked to here are upset with this. They see it improving GB as I do. I welcome us recognizing we are approaching a new decade instead of hanging back in the old one.

HankScorpio's picture

LaFleur was not the front runner. His hiring is a true underdog story.

JimR_in_SoCal's picture

Underdog hiring is OK. Just so long as the Packers dont hire a dog.

HankScorpio's picture

I think LaFleur has got an average joe quality that will help him relate to rhe players

JimR_in_SoCal's picture

It’s certainly early days, but I’m excited and hopeful. Go Pack Go!

Bure9620's picture

Hank, I don't believe McDaniels was the frontrunner, sounds like they were high on Monken as a second choice. Many owners and GMs have reservations about McDaniels as a leader and a flake.

Irish_Cheesehead's picture

Yep, and I love underdogs! Go Pack!!

Gort's picture

I always liked Underdog for protecting Sweet Polly Purebred from Simon Bar Sinister.

HankScorpio's picture

Speed of lightning and power of thunder will win you some football games.

Johnblood27's picture

Cad, bring me a victim...

Gort's picture

Thanks Hank, great follow up!
That's what we all were trying to say to Jason Perone's post yesterday.

Bure9620's picture

Kingsbury as OC? He looks like a taller Aaron Rodgers. They could have a full on slim shady music video, will the real Aaron Rodgers please stand up...please stand up

packerbackerjim's picture

LaFleur. Lambeau. Ooh La La! Cue the Faces.

Harlan Huckleby's picture

LaFleur’s not going to be able to dedicate enough time to coaching as he will be exploring along the banks of the Peshtigo River and fur trapping and whatnot.

Dash Riprock's picture

lol... Nice one Harlan.

Qoojo's picture

This hire was all about getting more Canadian viewers.

Mvlc1's picture

I like the hire. Now can we PLEEEASE GET RID OF ZOOK?!

Tundraboy's picture

Yes. If only for the sheer pleasure of not having to wait another day.

Qoojo's picture

Thank god it wasn't McDaniels. That would have been a train wreck in slow motion.

nostradanus's picture

It was wise to stay away from McDaniels who seems a bit untrustworthy judging from his past.
Lafleur is from the Shanahan tree and has an impressive offensive background indeed.
Best of luck!

Irish_Cheesehead's picture

Absolutely LOVE this hire, and the fact that he plans to keep Pettine as DC! The more I read about LaFleur's background, the more I like this guy.

Jonathan Spader's picture

Broncos are interviewing Vic Fangio the day just keeps getting better!

Golden Retriever's picture

Thinking of changing my name to Lambeau Lombardi Lafleur.

KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

LaFleur seems to hit most posters HC requirements. Young offensive coach only 3 to 4 years older than Rodgers. On surface much to like.

It is exciting and I trust the FO did due diligence. I am 100% behind the hire and have no reason to doubt it.

Chuck Farley's picture

Jury is out for me. Philbin, not my choice, but he had hc and qb experience in his resume and couldn't score a point with this team against the lions.
This guy has a weak pedigree other than having worked with a handful of so so qb's.
Now he has to coach an entire team, draft, manage dicipline. If they think he will just manage o and someone the d, that never has worked. Ends up no one in char

4thand1's picture

Chuck, with your track record, no one the Packers hired would have satisfied you.

Since '61's picture

Chuck - I’m confident that Gute and the scout team are handling the draft. Thanks, Since ‘61

Jonathan Spader's picture

Since 61' can we chuck Chuck?

BradHTX's picture

"Weak pedigree"? He cut his QB coaching teeth under multiple SB-winning coach Mike Shanahan in Washington, and has worked alongside hot coaches Kyle Shanahan in Atlanta and Sean McVay in LA.

"So-so QBs"? He coached Kirk Cousins into a pretty good run in Washington. He coached Matt Ryan to his MVP season and turned around Jared Goff's career in LA. And after a slow start, he had Mariota playing with better stats than Rodgers in his last ten games — with garbage at WR.

I get that some people want to hate whatever guy got hired just because. But seriously, at least base your opinion on actual facts. LaFleur is a very competent offensive coach who has done great work in every position he's held, and every bit deserving of his shot at a HC position.

I love this hire and can't wait to see what he does with Rodgers.

Razer's picture

Glad we made the call. Sounds like he knew his stuff and represented well. Good luck coach LaFleur.

Pierre's picture

This is going to be a challenge for a 39 year old LaFleur trying to reign in a 35 year old QB in Rodgers to get this offense going at the top of the league again...but at this point any change from an MM coached offense and team is a welcomed change in Green Bay for next season. Keeping Pettine was also a sound move as the defense will build on what he installed this season and should be improved with healthy returnees and draft picks. It looks like the Packers were able to hire the HC they wanted the most before someone else did so it’s all positive in turning this team around for next season.

Johnblood27's picture

with a name like pierre it is no wonder you like the Lafleur hiring...

packerfan9507's picture

Go Pack

LeotisHarris's picture

Okay, so what happened to all the talk of needing a talking bicep for a coach, someone to get tough on these slackers who won't play hurt, and most importantly hold people accountable? Has Coach Matt suddenly filled that void, or are we all so desperate for a respite (I like that, desperate for a respite - watch Riprock try to steal it) that it feels good to be excited about this team again.

Just a few weeks ago we were up to our eyeballs in posts about how McFatty/McMumbles/McPickYourInsult had completely lost the team due to his intellectual laziness, stubborn nature, and player-friendly style. Bowling in training camp? Pfft. Where all you Oklahoma Drill guys hanging out tonight? What say you?

dobber's picture

I think the 'human bicep' lost to the 'QB whisperer'.

LeotisHarris's picture

Seems to be the case, dobber.

Mojo's picture

It's possible Lafleur is a hardass. How do we know, he's never been a HC before.

LeotisHarris's picture

A valid point, sure. It's just interesting to me how quickly the accountability crowd has gone silent.

Since '61's picture

Hiring LaFleur is a bit of a surprise for me especially this rapidly. However, I like the fact that the Packers have selected an up and comer and someone not much older than AR.

I think LaFleur and AR will relate well with each other. Keeping Pettine makes sense since he can handle the defensive side while LaFluer stays focused on the offense. Hopefully LaFleur can bring in a solid ST coach and a real WR coach and RB coach. Our OL coach is fine but LaFluer may want to make a change there as well.

I wish him the best of luck. Go Pack Go!
Thanks, Since ‘61

croatpackfan's picture

I hope Matt LaFleur will, also, hire excellent OC and QBC...

Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

Since, I like the speed of this hire as well. Decisive, doesn’t allow other teams to screw up our plans, no bidding war...and I hope he’s at his new desk this morning. Get to work Coach!

Since '61's picture

Doug - I hope that he starts ASAP as well. However, my understanding is that this is not official yet. Thanks, Since '61

MITM's picture

Its surprising to me how many people that commented seemingly didnt even do a quick background check on the guy.

He was Falcons QB coach in 2016. The same year Matt Ryan was MVP, OPOY and led the NFL in passer rating. 38 tds and 7 picks in 2016. He was gone in 2017 when Ryan went for 20 TDs and 12 picks.

He was Rams OC in 2017 and Goff became a star. They averaged more than DOUBLE the amount of YPG on offense in 2017 than they had without him in 2016.

He's 39 years old and will FINALLY update the playbook to a state of the art level. Exactly what we needed. I was surprised by the hiring at first but Google is very useful guys.

Edit: I forgot to mention he was Notre Dames QB coach in 2014, so he should have Kizer looking way better the next time we see him. Hopefully just in pre season. Mccarthy couldnt/didnt develop shit QB wise. He drafted Hundley as his little project QB just because he wanted a QB to coach because Rodgers was self made. Ive never seen a QB in a Packers uniform less prepared than Hundley looked. Not even Seneca Wallace.

dobber's picture

Remember, too, that as HC he's really not filling either of those roles that he built his reputation on. It's an extrapolation...a projection. Hopefully the Packers are on point.

MITM's picture

Yes thats a great point also

Coldworld's picture

Getting players to perform? Certainly seems a strong point.

Designing an offense? Not sure where the evidence of him having an innovative offensive mind is coming from?Hopefully now that he is a Head Coach, he will have the opportunity to show us. That was the gamble with this choice.

Oppy's picture

Rodgers wasn't self made. All any reasonable football fan has to do is look at Rodgers throwing mechanics in 2005 and compare them to 2006 or 2007. Completely different delivery. SEcond, if you think Mike McCarthy was running the drafts, you haven't paid attention for the last 13 years. MM didn't draft Hundley. Most observers realized that MM was subtly complaining about the derth of talent in his QB room beyond QB1 the last few years. MM deflected questions about Hundley's readiness by boldly stating that he's QB2, he's what we have, so he's ready. Most realized it was a thinly veiled jab at the fact he had no choice but to run with Hundley as he was all he has been given.

MITM's picture

I agree about the mechanics, I disagree with who is responsible for the difference. I've paid attention to the drafts - oh boy have I ever dont you worry. But HC's sometimes are given the green light to make one of their own picks in later rounds (Hundley was a 5th I believe), and I always viewed Hundley as a Mccarthy pick. A pick that was OK'd so he could have his QB side project because he enjoyed coaching up a QB more than Rodgers would have welcomed once he figured he'd put it ALL together. (Which apparently indeed has been somewhat of a problem with Aaron)

There was that one preseason I believe 2016 where Callahan outplayed Hundley. And they went with Hundley because of the investment I guess. 2017 preseason Taysom Hill was clearly the best QB2 on the field for the Packers. Shit it was fun to watch that kid play. Taysom Hill couldnt have done MORE to make that team and he didnt. And it was a mistake. Now whether or not those 2 kids not making the roster was mostly Mccarthys call or not is unclear. But if he was the reason for Rodgers fine tuning shouldnt he bang the table for a superior QB2? Or did he not do that because Hundley was his failure he would never hone up to?

Oppy's picture

There is a great deal written about the suspected disconnect between MM and TT when it came to personnel decisions. You should look into it.

croatpackfan's picture

Any link, please...

MITM's picture

What does that have to do with Mccarthy being responsible for Aarons progress and success?

Oppy's picture

"What does that have to do with Mccarthy being responsible for Aarons progress and success?"

Well, that's a great question. I was hoping you could answer it since you're the one who brought it up when you said, "He drafted Hundley as his little project QB just because he wanted a QB to coach because Rodgers was self made."

croatpackfan's picture

MITM Ted Thompson was responsible for forming 53 roster as today is Brian Gutekunst, not HC, position coiaches etc. THAT JOB IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT JOBS GM HAS!

Of course he can listen HC in case he has doubts between 2 or more players, but decision (and responsibility) is on GM, not HC.

Regarding Brett Hundley and MM, you have to know that MM was so pissed of with TT decision to cut Taysom Hill that he was shouting on TT (reported from several sources)...

I know here are many of Mike McCarthy haters. I just respect his record and what he did while he was Packers HC. I admit I do not know that much to be critics on his football work, but as leader of the men and face of franchise he did excellent job.

And he still have top 5 NFL all time record (win lose ratio!).

And, regarding Aaron, when Aaron is coached (and when he let to be coached) Aaron is one of the funniest QB to watch and enjoy. When he is acting like diva (as he did this season) Packers has 6-9-1 record...

Spurgeon's Cigar's picture

I'll light one up tonight to celebrate this great hire. Breathe the free and fresh air. Out with the old and in with the new.... new beginnings are to be celebrated.

albert999's picture

He needs to coach up Boyle not Kizer

Oppy's picture

In my opinion, the Packers should cut bait with Kizer ASAP, sign a legitimate back up QB - and by that I mean a QB with some years under his belt, who has won some games, and preferably, worked in more than one offense. I don't believe Kizer can win games for the Packers if his number gets called. We need a guy who can go .500 or better for 4-6 games if needed.

Yes, Boyle should be coached up. He stands tall in the pocket and keeps his composure, and you've got to like that from a very young, UDFA QB. The pro game doesn't look too big for him. You also have to like the way the ball leaves his hand, it's always a tight, pretty spiral. HOWEVER, his accuracy needs a lot of work. A lot. He puts the ball in the general vicinity or WRs, not to a precise point. He's got NFL arm strength, but not NFL accuracy at this point. I still think he shows potential- more so than Kizer IMO, but that accuracy needs to show improvement or he can't win in the NFL.

Rak47's picture

I like Boyle a lot and have high hopes for him eventually. But let's not get carried away as there are plenty of QB's who look good during preseason and camp, that's how they make the team. Then when the actual games start it's a different story. Boyle was a highly recruited prospect coming out of H.S. but had a pretty lackluster college career, so there must be a few reasons for that. I really hope LaFleur can coach him up and get him playing solid ball with confidence, but I'm not ready to throw all my eggs in that hat yet.

Bure9620's picture

Boyle's receivers at directional Kentucky were atrocious, I watched a game where there had to be 7-8 drops. I am reading he is having issues with the offense (McCarthy's) and having real issues reading defenses. Great arm talent though.

Coldworld's picture

Where are you reading that? It would be interesting to read it too.

Dash Riprock's picture

Thank you setting the record straight on Boyle's college career Bure. Yes, those receivers he had were a joke. Boyle was one of the top rated qb's in the nation coming out of high school. I've never seen arm strength like his other than maybe Favre. The thing that separates him from all the others is his ability to throw one of the most accurate deep balls almost every single time. That's why MVS shined in the preseason and made the team. It was due to Boyle getting him the ball on the dime deeper down the field. That all went away for the most part when playing with Rodgers. Rodgers does not have the arm strength or accuracy down the field like Boyle has. It's just true like it or not.

Dash Riprock's picture

Oppy gets 4 dislikes for praising Boyle? I get 37 dislikes for misspelling LaFleur? What the hell is wrong with some of you people here.

As for the new LaFleur/Boyle relationship goes, I like what I am hearing so far. Now people might know I am a Boyleist but I also realize Boyle is not a finished product. He did have a slight issue with accuracy at times but that I believe was mostly due to inferior receivers he had in college. You see him working with J'Mon Moore, Kumerow and MVS this preseason and he looked like the no 1 pick in the draft. Exciting times ahead for Boyle.

Dash

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

I like Boyle as an NFL prospect. I can't find evidence that he was a highly recruited player coming out of High School. He got offers from UConn, Boston College, Florida, UMass, Pitt., and Syracuse. So he was recruited, but when someone writes highly recruited, I think Bama and the like. He wasn't really in that league. Looks like he was a 3 star recruit?

albert999's picture

I like Boyle

BradHTX's picture

I like donuts.

Jonathan Spader's picture

I like beer

LeotisHarris's picture

I like dark roast coffee.

croatpackfan's picture

My humble opinion is that any guy would be better than Josh McDaniels, but this pick I consider a very good pick. Young guy with lot of energy and, I believe, can be very successful.

Good hire, I like it!

AgrippaLII's picture

I think Murphy may have got this one right. I like his choice. Lafleur will do well in GB!

Barnacle's picture

Agrip

I hope you are correct and I hope Dilfer is wrong and LaFleau is NOT a young McCarthy. I hope they Practice football fundamentals, not paintball and bowling.

Coldworld's picture

The young, hungry MM was good. I’d be happy with that.

I think TT ground MM down.

Jonathan Spader's picture

Unfortunately, the hungry MM ate too much in WI and he went the way of Eddie Lacy.

Irelandseye's picture

So this a ballsy call. But it's a calculated and exciting risk. This dude has a good CV and seems to have the right attitude. I like the call and whatever it brings, I fully support it. Good Luck Coach LaFleur. GPG!

4zone's picture

We will see what we will see.

Zaphod Dog's picture

I like it! So glad it's not McDaniels or Philbin. Maybe we can luck into getting Monken at OC. Cignetti has to go. Who in their right mind thought it was a good idea to replace VanPelt with the guy who coached Eli Manning during the worst year of his career? Get Van Pelt back.(He was a cerebral QB. If he had had Todd Collins's physical tools to go with the VanPelt brain he might have been something as a QB) or some other former QB like Kingsbury.

Zaphod Dog's picture

Bring back Janis and play him at his natural position -- DB. His SP gunner skills and instincts make it clear he was always out of position as a receiver. A natural born DB.

Jonathan Spader's picture

WR was too complicated for Janis how on earth could he be a DB? He was an elite gunner and athlete. Gunner is easy run really fast and tackle or touch the guy with the football. DB requires even more thought than WR. Janis should have been utilized by MM saying run a go route and take the top off a defense. Rodgers throw the ball if Janis beats his man with speed if not see who he opened up underneath and get the ball to them.

Donster's picture

Late to the party, but after reading up on LaFleur, on paper at least he seems like he can be the guy to get things done. He wasn't my first choice. Flores out of New England was.

I read that in the interview with LaFleur, he stated that Pettine was on his list for DC. Now did he just say that to better his chances to get the gig in GB? Or was he being honest in that Pettine is a guy he wanted? Could be a bit of both. I like the idea that Pettine will stay, as he, being a head coach before, can help LaFleur ease into that part of the job. And Pettine did a good job this season with not a lot of players to work with towards the end.

I read this morning that LaFleur could keep Philbin on the staff. Big mistake IMHO. Cut bait with anything from the previous offense. Wipe the offensive slate clean so you can make the offense your own.

Fire Zook. Keep Campen. Fire the entire Strength and Conditioning department from top to bottom. Let Pettine hire the people he wants.

LaFleur looks to be a very good fit for the Packers. Hoping for great success in the near future! Go Pack!

Coldworld's picture

You get a thumb up for wanting to fire the strength and conditioning folks alone. I have been asking why consistent decimation over successive seasons hasn’t brought them into focus for a long time.

alforno54's picture

Will be interesting to see is if he has pieces for his system or if he really cleans house. Seem to be set at rb but does he favor big, small , or a combo of WRS. I think this hire could help Cobb

JimR_in_SoCal's picture

I’m keenly interested in the staff he assembles, as his hires will go a long way towards determining how successful he’ll be as a head coach. Maybe just as important as the players he has to work with.

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