Packers Snap Counts: Week 7 Vs. The Texans

Jeff Hafley saves Rich Bisaccia's groats, and to a lesser extent, Matt LaFleur's.

 

 

The Packers elevated FB Andrew Beck from the practice squad, leaving recently acquired TE John Fitzpatrick as a healthy scratch.  The Packers previously signed K Brandon McManus, releasing Narveson.  Devonte Wyatt was inactive due to injury.  Fitzpatrick, S Kitan Olapado, DE Brenton Cox, OL Travis Glover and OL Jacob Monk were healthy scratches.  

 

OFFENSIVE LINE:

Player Snaps % ST
Jenkins 58 100  
Myers 58 100 1/3%
Walker 58 100 4/14%
Tom 57 98 4/14%
Rhyan 45 78 4/14%
Morgan 13 22 4/14%
Telfort 1 2 4/14%
Dillard     3/10%
Wooden 1 2  

 

The offensive line had an up and down game.  Tackles Walker and Tom had trouble with two excellent Edge players in Will Anderson and Danielle Hunter in pass protection.  The line did enough to open holes for the running backs.  The Packers gained 82 yards on 20 carries (4.1-yard average), but the running backs gained 87 yards on 17 carries, a 5.12-yard average.  Watson, Reed, and Melton each ran an end around/jet sweep, and they combined to gain minus 5 yards. While running a sweep on 3rd and short against a 9-man box to the short side of the field has been known to work, it may be that opponents have seen these runs on film and are ready for them. 

 

QUARTERBACKS: 

 

Player Snaps % ST
Love 58 100  
Willis DNP    

 

Love faced more pressure than normal against the Texans.  He completed 22 of 34 passes for 220 yards (6.47 yards/attempt) with 3 touchdowns and 2 interceptions.  Love made som big-time throws, including a laser to Kraft (I still think the Texans' safety Calen Bullock, got a hand on that pass) for a touchdown, and a beautiful 30-yard go route to Wicks for another touchdown.  Bullock would later intercept an errant pass over the middle that was intended for Watson.  The third touchdown pass was a short pass to Jacobs who turned it into an 8-yard touchdown.  Love is certainly willing to throw the ball into very tight windows.  Despite being under pressure on a regular basis, Love did not have any rushes/scrambles.  

 

TIGHT ENDS:

 

Player Snaps % ST
Kraft 54 93 8/28%
Sims 16 28 6/21%

 

Kraft caught 3 of 4 targets for 33 yards and a touchdown.  Kraft showed very good athleticism as he had to lay out to catch the touchdown pass, and good concentration as the pass was a bullet that just missed the safety's outstretched arm.  Kraft also caught another pass while shaking off a tackle attempt that allowed him to gain extra yards.  Sims caught 1 pass for 2 yards.  I thought the tight ends might make hay against a depleted opponent (5 starters out including 2 linebacks and some defensive backs), but this was a pretty good day.

 

RUNNING BACKS:

Player Snaps % ST
Jacobs 39 67  
Wilson 12 21  
Brooks 8 14 6/21%
Beck 5 9 7/24%

 

Josh Jacobs continues to grow on me.  Jacobs gained 76 yards on 12 carries, a 6.3-yard average, with a long of 27.  His jump cuts while running inside and his ability to navigate trash are excellent.  It tends to be a little cluttered when the Packers run inside.   He has enough speed to be a threat to bounce a run outside and enough power to break a tackle and usually fall forward while finishing runs.  There is a reason why the Packers were willing to pay big money for a running back and why having exceptional backs on the roster in general is important.  Jacobs caught all 5 of his targets for 16 yards, including an 8-yard touchdown.  Emanual Wilson gained 11 yards on 5 carries.  His best run was wiped out by a penalty on Doubs, though that block is the one that sprang Wilson for most of that run.  

 

WIDE RECEIVERS:

 

Player Snaps % ST
Doubs 48 83  
Reed 43 74 4/14%
Watson 31 53  
Wicks 24 41  
Melton 8 14 9/31%
Heath 1 2 6/21%

 

Romeo Doubs caught 8 of his 10 targets for 94 yards with a long of 23.  Doubs runs all the routes and does a lot of the dirty work.  All of the Packers wide receivers do dirty work, though.  My eye test tells me that while Doubs gets his fair share of targets per game, he often is not the first option, even when he is the player who ultimately gets the target on any particular play.   Wicks caught 3 of his 6 targets for 48 yards and a touchdown.  Wicks missed most of last week's game with a shoulder injury, and he was listed as questionable coming into this game.  His low snap count is probably injury related.  Reed caught 2 of 4 targets for just 10 yards, including a drop of might have been a lateral, and another drop of a beautiful deep pass down the right sideline.  He also made a boneheaded play on special teams.  Watson caught 1 of 2 for 9 yards and Melton caught his only target for 8 yards.  

2 of Houston's 5 starting defensive backs did not play.  The 5 DBs who did play had to play every single snap - no rotations or substitutions.  Too many of Love's passes had to be high quality throws.  That is on the receivers and head coach LaFleur.

 

DEFENSE:

 

This was an excellent defensive game plan.  Once again, Hafley made some halftime adjustments, this time holding Houston to 3 points in the second half.  Houston scored 22 points but 10 came on two turnovers that gave Houston the ball on the Green Bay 11 yard line.  Hafley really dialed up the pressure with stunts and twists and with blitzes from all angles.

 

INTERIOR DEFENSIVE LINEMEN:

Player Snaps % ST
Clark 47 73  
Slaton 30 47 9/31%
Brooks 22 34 5/17%
Wooden 19 30 4/14%

 

The Packers allowed 142 yards on 33 rushes, a modest 4.3-yard average.  Mixon did run wild with 115 yards on 25 carries (4.6-yard average).  Their running backs gained 123 yards on 28 carries, a 4.39-yard average.  The Texans stuck with running the ball, which is why Slaton got a lot more snaps than usual, Wooden and Brooks not being known for the run defense.  Clark had 4 tackles (2 solo), including 2 tackles for loss.  Clark had some pressures and beat the offensive lineman several times.  [I have not always been Clark's biggest fan, but this was a solid day.]  Wooden had 2 tackles (1 solo) and a quarterback hit.  Slaton and Brooks had no statistics, which is not surprising as they were pretty invisible on the field.  I did see Slaton try to arm-tackle Mixon a couple of times.  

 

DEFENSIVE ENDS:

Player Snaps % ST
Gary  38 59  
Enagbare 36 56 15/52%
Van Ness 35 55 15/52%
Smith 28 44  
Mosby     17/59%

 

Gary had his third good game in a row.  He had 5 tackles (2 solo), 3 quarterback hits, and 1 sack.  Hafley got Gary freed up by using stunts a couple of times, and Tytus Hoiward, their right tackle, slipped on a play allowing Gary to get his sack.  Still, it was a good day and a better day from Jeff Hafley, who freed up several players with stunts and dialed up some blitzes at opportune times.  Enagbare had 4 tackles (2 solo).  He earned his snaps.  Van Ness had 2 tackles (1 solo0, one of which was a tackle for loss.  The guy has a motor and someone has to soak up some snaps.  Preston Smith had 1 assisted tackle.  

 

LINEBACKERS:

  

Player Snaps % ST
Er Wilson 57 89 24/83%
McDuffie 44 69 10/34%
Cooper 41 64 4/14%
Walker 13 20 2/7%
Hopper     15/52%

 

Eric Wilson certainly answered the bell after Quay Walker was injured on the Texans thrid possession.  He had 5 solo tackles, 4 of which were tackles for loss, 1 QB hit, and one pass defensed, a nice play against TE Dalton Schultz on a 3rd and 5 to force a punt.  Wilson seems like a hard-working, coach-able player with sound fundamentals.  When a coach draws up an inspired scheme, one that puts Wilson in a position to succeed, he is able to execute it.  McDuffie had 4 tackles (2 solo).  He was sound if sometime a step too late.  Edgerrin Cooper had 3 tackles (2 solo).  Both of his solo tackles were tackles for loss.  The guy is like a missile when he sees it.  That said, he had a few issues in run support.  Walker had 1 solo tackle before he left with a concussion.    

 

DEFENSIVE BACKS:

 

Player Snaps % ST
Williams 64 100 16/55%
Nixon 64 100 13/45%
McKinney 64 100 9/31%
Alexander 63 98  
Bullard 29 45 12/41%
Stokes 8 12  
Ballentine 2 3 20/69%
Anderson     20/69%
Valentine     13/45%

 

The Packers have a tight rotation with pretty well defined roles.  That is easier when the players separate themselves from their peers.  Evan Williams led the Packers with 9 tackles (6 solo).  There were some big stops in there.  Williams plays with a high IQ.  McKinney had 6 tackles (5 solo) including a sack.  When Hafley has McKinney run a blitz from the edge, he does not miss.  When Jaire runs a corner blitz, he waved at Mixon who was off to the races for 32 yards.   That said, the team did shut down Houston's wide receivers.  Alexander had 3 solo tackles.  Stephon Diggs caught 5 pass or only 23 yards.  Tank Dell did not catch any of his 4 targets.  Credit to the DBs, but also to the pass rush, which was heavy and unpredictable.  Bullard had 4 tackles (3 solo).  Ballentine and Anderson had special teams tackles.  

 

SPECIAL TEAMS:

 

Whelan bombed 5 punts for a 56.8-yard average, and a net of 51.6 yards.  He also handled yet another bad long snaps from Orzech.  Brandon McManus made the game-winning 45-yard field goal as time expired.  Reed inexplicably caught a punt at the half yard line.  Nixon failed to field a punt which then hit Corey Ballentine, causing a turnover.    

 

WR: 2.67

RB: 1.10

TE: 1.21

OL: 5.02

DI: 1.84

DE: 2.14

LB: 2.42

DB: 4.59

 

Photo courtesy of Tork Mason, USA Today Network

 

 

 

 

 

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T7Steve's picture

October 21, 2024 at 06:52 am

Thanks, TGR.

Kind of glaring that Stokes only had 8 plays. TGR, is he fighting some undisclosed injury or is he in strictly for passing downs and as they threw for less than 90 yards and ran the rest didn't need him?

It's hard to believe that the Packers are good enough to win a game against a top opponent after 3 turnovers. Sloppy win which is a step up from the 2 sloppy loses.

Was hoping they'd just score TDs and not have to test the kicker other than extra points, but all's well that ends well.....

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NickPerry's picture

October 21, 2024 at 07:03 am

"Kind of glaring that Stokes only had 8 plays. TGR, is he fighting some undisclosed injury or is he in strictly for passing downs and as they threw for less than 90 yards and ran the rest didn't need him?"

Hey Steve...Stokes hasn't been very good this season or any season since his rookie season for that matter, but trust me here...The LESS we see of Stokes on the field, the better it is for the Packers and their fans...

I was SO stressed he might miss that kick. Romo and Nance kept mentioning it had been 200 and some odd days since he kicked in a game. I got MORE nervous the more Romo ran his mouth.

Whelan was the MVP of yesterdays game. Between the BOMBS he's punting from his own endzone to the BAD snap he fielded on the game winning FG...

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T7Steve's picture

October 21, 2024 at 07:27 am

You and I both know and agree about Stokes, but the team didn't seem to. He still shines at times, but I don't think you could compare him to a shutdown corner. Think they'll be able to sign him on the cheap next season? You'd think his speed would be good on special teams but he's not much for tacking and probably less of a blocker.

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LLCHESTY's picture

October 21, 2024 at 08:11 am

I think Nixon is getting an in season tryout on the outside because they know Stokes is gone after this season, along with having to find ways to keep Williams and Bullard on the field. I wouldn't be surprised if Nixon is let go as well in the off-season, unless they think the NFL is going to drastically change the kickoff rules again. Nixon has been decent this year but not $6 million decent.

Not sure if Valentine is still knocked up or has fallen out of favor but it's weird to see two guys that played pretty well as injury fill ins last year getting no snaps on D.

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Coldworld's picture

October 21, 2024 at 09:08 am

Some of it appears to be situational. Again it was fairly clear that Houston weren’t targeting the perimeter except short (here credit to the D not Stroud’s ability). In those situations, Nixon has distinct value as he can keep the ball in front of him and be active in the run game. Against teams like the Vikings and Lions I’m not sure it will stand up as an idea.

Their first interception reminded me how Stokes used to play as a rookie. A virtual blanket at the catch point, If he can’t get back to that or Hafley let him, then it’s not a good fit. Unfortunately Valentine plays best in a similar way.

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LLCHESTY's picture

October 21, 2024 at 01:19 pm

I might be missing one or two but I can't think of one deep pass over the middle. Call it the McKinney effect. I bet it continues for awhile.

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dobber's picture

October 21, 2024 at 10:48 am

"Nixon has been decent this year but not $6 million decent."

If they see him as a starting CB and he plays anywhere close to that level, $6M for a starting CB is pretty inexpensive. I agree that I'd like to see some of these younger guys playing better, but right now, the playmakers are at S and the Packers are leaning into that.

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Coldworld's picture

October 21, 2024 at 11:54 am

Nixon on the outside against a good QB who has more time is a scary proposition. The idea that Nixon is a true perimeter talent is very dubious. He’s good against QBs who can’t or aren’t able to go deep with decent receivers, where the play is largely in front of him and his run play and tackling is a big assist.

It’s good if it’s situational usage, if it becomes a default I think we will get burned and often in comparison to Valentine , Stokes and even Rochell and Ballentine. I’m hoping Stokes takes this to heart ( he should ponder Love’s first interception) and plays more like his old self, but if not, we have other better options than Nixon for the Lions and Vikings of this world and I hope Hafley realizes that Nixon has limitations and is just being situationally astute.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

October 21, 2024 at 03:25 pm

Situationally astute and Packers defense are not mutually exclusive? Pinch me!

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Minniman's picture

October 21, 2024 at 01:17 pm

Re Kicking:

Not sure if it's gamesmanship or not, but McManus said in the post-game locker room press interviews that he actually likes to have a practice kick, so he doesn't mind being "iced". He also went on to say that he doesn't think that he's actually missed a second kick (after being iced).

This is also the guy that kicked 3 FG's in a SB victory - all 30-something yarders, sure - but the record's there that he's made multiple important kicks in the most important game (and a game not played in a dome).

MLF positively gushed about him in the post-game locker room team meeting.

If anything, yesterday's success demonstrated that after his off-field antics, he hasn't lost his nerve.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

October 21, 2024 at 03:27 pm

You're supposing he had "off field antics."

Most such accusations have been proven to be false. Remember when we had innocent until proven guilty in this Country?

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Minniman's picture

October 21, 2024 at 04:15 pm

I take your point SST, however while antics doesn't explicitly mean illegal, it does mean distracting. Sure, they don't have to be "football monks" but sometimes their extra-curricular actions invite trouble.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 21, 2024 at 07:05 pm

Nick, it has been clear that the Packers liked Stokes over Valentine since training camp. They clearly handed Stokes the starting perimeter position over Valentine back in July before a helmet got put on. Despite poor results, it is still Stokes > Valentine. I don't know why and don't agree. The Packers get enamored of their guy sometimes beyond all reason or understanding.

What has happened is that it is Nixon over Stokes, who is over Valentine. That's the pecking order. So far Nixon has held up quite well. Really, with that tight rotation it does not matter as much whether Stokes or Valentine get the scrap snaps. And that's because they want and need to keep the top 5 of Jaire, Nixon, McKinney, Williams and Bullard on the field as much as possible. It is a tight rotation with those five getting the bulk of the snaps.

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Rhah's picture

October 21, 2024 at 12:46 pm

This is the second game where Stokes lost snaps. I wonder how far he will fall.

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Minniman's picture

October 21, 2024 at 01:18 pm

....... are you suggesting that they may just leave him in Jacksonville next week!

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

October 21, 2024 at 03:28 pm

More than 2 games running. (4?)

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GregC's picture

October 21, 2024 at 07:11 am

"Too many of Love's passes had to be high quality throws."

I noticed this as well. The receivers weren't getting very open against an injury-depleted defense. Maybe they aren't as good as most of us think they are. Or maybe they just had a bad day for whatever reason. Of our four best receivers, Doubs probably has the least amount of natural talent, but he is the most well-rounded, and he is best at catching passes in tight windows.

Keisean Nixon must be doing something right as a boundary CB because he's played two full games there and barely got his name mentioned. I'm still nervous about how this might play out against teams with better receivers. Maybe Valentine is just too banged up. The announcers mentioned that Valentine suffered another injury during this game, and he was just playing on special teams.

Daniel Whelan was the MVP of the game. The second half surprisingly turned into a battle of field position, and Whelan saved our bacon time after time with his long punts.

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T7Steve's picture

October 21, 2024 at 07:33 am

Don't you think the biggest reason for them not getting open had to do with the pass rush getting home quickly? Do you think this might have been a game where they could have dialed up some more rollouts and RPOs to help the O-line? That's not even mentioning that I think they should have sneaked in a couple more passes to the TEs.

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Guam's picture

October 21, 2024 at 07:56 am

I think the pass rush was part of it, but another part was the poor game called by LaFleur. Love, like most QBs, is most effective in play action because the D-line and LBs have to respect the threat of a run. The Packers only ran the ball about 20 times yesterday including three ugly jet sweeps by receivers. Jacobs only got 12 carries even though he gained good yardage when he ran.

The lack of a running threat left Love without a play action threat and the pass rush just teed off on him. He was under pressure most of the game. LaFleur got pass happy and left his QB without his favorite method of attack.

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GregC's picture

October 21, 2024 at 08:08 am

The pass rush was part of it for sure, but Love is good at buying time, and even when he did that, the receivers were not getting very open. I would also like to see more quick-hitting passes. Maybe they're not running many of those plays, or maybe when they do, the receivers aren't getting open, or maybe they are and Love is passing them up so he can hunt big plays downfield. I really don't know.

Maybe the game plan didn't work very well because it was assumed that our receivers would be able to get open against backups. That turned out to be more of a struggle than anticipated.

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Guam's picture

October 21, 2024 at 08:54 am

I'll have to go back and rewatch the game. I thought our passing game problems were more about Love under pressure than on the WRs not getting open, but I certainly could have missed that. I may have been too busy bitching about LaFleur not running the ball more......

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LLCHESTY's picture

October 21, 2024 at 08:19 am

It may seem odd but it's been proven that the running game doesn't need to be productive for play action to be effective. I think it might be because the Texans played more zone than they usually do and zone is easier to disguise so you want your QB facing the play as they drop back.

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Guam's picture

October 21, 2024 at 08:42 am

It doesn't need to be productive, but you do have to hand the ball to your RBs sometime for play action to work. The RBs only had 17 carries yesterday - not enough to keep the DL and LBs respectful of the running game or of play action.

And Jacobs was productive when he ran the ball (6.3 yards per carry). And you can run out of shotgun as the Packers often do which leaves the QB facing the zone in the event of an RPO.

So why did LaFleur seemingly abandon the run?

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

October 21, 2024 at 03:32 pm

Why is MLF MLF?

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Coldworld's picture

October 21, 2024 at 09:14 am

This was an oddly called game. The run got overlooked, there were a lot of slow developing plays despite pressure and the TEs played a much lesser part than expected. LaFleur said he never got in rhythm as a caller and it showed. He allowed Ryans to knock him off his game plan and got far too “clever” over going back to the basics.

Hafley conversely had his best day to date tactically. Stroud was visibly frustrated. That takes some doing. Hafley attacked Stroud’s need for more time than most pocket passers beautifully. The run D improved markedly in the second half too.

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murf7777's picture

October 21, 2024 at 10:30 am

I agree about the offensive, but I think Hafley has had a lot of very good called games. Some of them have been when he has played containment and kept mobile QB’s in the pocket. It’s tactical to play containment as much as it is to be aggressive with blitzing. When things work they always look good, difference of excellent execution many times.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 21, 2024 at 07:18 pm

Yup. That what I wrote in the blurb under the title - Hafley saves Bisaccia's groats, and LaFleur's as well.

Complementary football, because I do think LaFleur has had some really nice game plans this year.

Kraft is running a lot of routes without all that many targets. PFF wrote that "Kraft caught three passes, including a touchdown, but he averaged 0.92 yards per route run on 36 routes." Watson is in the same boat. IDK - GB spreads it around and MLF has lots of guys running decoys and rubs where they are not significant options. IDK.

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dobber's picture

October 21, 2024 at 10:49 am

This is what I was thinking, too.

Will Anderson was lining up super wide, pinning his ears back, and sprinting upfield a lot, but they failed to make the adjustment of running into the space he vacated. There could've been yards to be had there.

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Coldworld's picture

October 21, 2024 at 12:02 pm

I’m not buying the not getting open. Their press D rapidly went to zone, and we adjusted slowly, that is true. We were also not calling run plays allowing depth in the D or many fast developing routes. That was a bigger issue than getting open and compounded the lack of time Love had. We were too keen to challenge the middle generally and more so in our choice of depth and personnel when doing so.

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GregC's picture

October 21, 2024 at 12:44 pm

They got open enough for Love to complete a bunch of passes, but it seemed like the windows were tight. There were not many easy ones. Your QB needs to make some great throws if you are going to be a championship caliber team, but for every great throw, there should be several relatively easy ones. I didn't see a lot of easy throws in this game. Maybe that's why the interceptions are happening. There are too many contested throws, often with two or three defenders in the area where the ball is thrown, so there is great risk of deflected balls being intercepted.

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Coldworld's picture

October 21, 2024 at 01:10 pm

They are a good secondary. LaFleur never got in rhythm play calling. I think that in part resulted in too many deeper route trees, too little running and too little heavy looks. We played into their hands somewhat and it affected our rhythm on field. Thats as big a factor in the “openness” issue. A lot of our mid and deeper game is designed to take time that wasn’t there. Doubs’ route running excellence was the reason we could move it primarily. Reed was certainly getting a lot of attention. The run game absence and lack of TE routes just played into that by allowing them to go lighter in the box.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

October 21, 2024 at 03:35 pm

Greg, that describes the game I watched. This is the biggest thing our O needs to work on now, IMHO.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

October 21, 2024 at 03:30 pm

I also think that using TEs more heavily would be good strategy. Still got a W!

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Minniman's picture

October 21, 2024 at 01:24 pm

In fairness, the Texans aren't "The Keystone Cops" in D. They are a well-coached defensive team. Sure, one would expect a drop-off between starters and backups, but the guys who did replace starters stepped up.

The Texans D front also did really well - I didn't see Love having inordinate amounts of time in the pocket, so clearly long developing plays were off the table yesterday........ that pretty much takes the deep threat guys like Watson out.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

October 21, 2024 at 03:29 pm

I don't think our WR is any less talented than they were last week, our QB was pressured more.

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LLCHESTY's picture

October 21, 2024 at 07:35 am

This isn't the 1st game Stroud has struggled in this year but it is the 1st with Mixon in the lineup. Not everything that worked against Stroud is going to work against other top QBs but it was exceptional passing D yesterday. I think the McKinney effect Watson display as Stroud mainly avoided throwing in his area. Good job by Hafley bringing him up to keep him involved.

It was a good year to draft safeties. The two I really liked, Calen Bullock and Malik Mustapha, played well yesterday. Looks like Bullock is the center fielder the Packers didn't need with McKinney mainly playing back, Mustapha had a dozen tackles for the 49ers yesterday including a couple big pops. Williams really wasn't on my radar, especially where he was taken, but what a find. Here's hoping Sam Seale sticks around for a few more years.

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Bitternotsour's picture

October 21, 2024 at 08:47 am

everything that worked against Stroud will absolutely work against the Bears and the Lions. win 5 of 6 in the division and win the division.

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Coldworld's picture

October 21, 2024 at 09:17 am

Stroud is a rather different proposition to Goff or Darnold. I don’t know that the same game plan will work against them. They both get the ball out far more rapidly and rely less on extending.

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dobber's picture

October 21, 2024 at 10:51 am

The Lions are so much better on the OL. They'll likely be able to maintain the run game.

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Coldworld's picture

October 21, 2024 at 11:29 am

True as to their OL, but at this point Stroud needs more time to make plays than Goff, who is good at getting the ball out fast off quick reads. Stroud makes the vast majority of his big plays in circumstances where he has a lot of time in the pocket and struggles when forced into quick release play. Although he doesn’t move out of the pocket much naturally, he does well when he does if given time. Thats not so true of Goff or Darnold. They aren’t as mobile and they need to be hit and faster or they will just get rid of the ball time after time.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

October 21, 2024 at 03:38 pm

"Goff and Darnold need to be hit"

Words to live by!

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LLCHESTY's picture

October 21, 2024 at 01:21 pm

Maybe Williams but not Goff. He shredded the Vikings when the blitzed him yesterday.

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murf7777's picture

October 21, 2024 at 10:35 am

Actually, it is the first time Stroud has struggled to this level. His lowest passing total prior was last week against New England with 192 yards, but he also threw 3 TD’s. His lowest completion % before this week was 65%, he was sub 50% for this game. He looked lost this game, which is rarely been seen if at all in his short career. The Packers played awesome D against him.

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Coldworld's picture

October 21, 2024 at 11:34 am

He had a bad game against the Jets last year, before exiting with a concussion late in the game. 91 yards on 10 completions. 1 of 12 on third down, 54.8 passer rating. Actually the Jets did pretty much what Hafley did to him, with the same results, the medium and deep targets vanished and his quick release game was shown up, it might have been Hafley’s template in fact.

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LLCHESTY's picture

October 21, 2024 at 01:27 pm

He struggled against Flores and the Vikings. It's not always about the yards, he tossed two interceptions in that one.

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LLCHESTY's picture

October 21, 2024 at 07:39 am

Thanks as always TGR. I actually think your being too kind to Slaton. I noticed him getting ragdolled a couple of times including once by a single blocker. Not his best effort.

It does look to be a good year for behemoths in next year's draft, including a monster 360 pounder from Kentucky that had 7½ sacks last year. I think in Hafley's D you need the giant to have a bit more pass rush upside than Slaton(10 pressures in 58 games).

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Coldworld's picture

October 21, 2024 at 09:28 am

I don’t know how interested in big men we are. We just passed in the window to activate Ford I think.

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Minniman's picture

October 21, 2024 at 01:32 pm

Interested to see once Wyatt gets back on the field.

While he's no "run stuffer" he causes disruption, which may be even more beneficial now that Hafley is dialing up the cover 0 looks etc.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

October 21, 2024 at 03:44 pm

Not yet, but we got rid of Mt Caleb, Tenuta, and Nijman. Seems like GB ended the experiment with giants.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 21, 2024 at 07:30 pm

PFF agrees with you. I saw enough of Slaton looking like he could make a play on Mixon but being unable to shed to think he did not play well. PFF, like you, thought he outright sucked. I did not see Slaton get rag dolled so much but Mixon was running freely so that might be the answer: Slaton on the ground or moved.

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Guam's picture

October 21, 2024 at 08:05 am

Interesting that Preston Smith got the fewest snaps of any DE, even fewer than Van Ness. I thought Gary had his best game of the season and Enagbare played well too. Clark had a decent game but the other DTs were not particularly impressive. Houston has a pretty good O-line, so it was good to see the Packer DL respond with one of their best games.

Thanks TGR for this always useful article. I learn more about the Packers from your article than just about any other article at CHTV.

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Coldworld's picture

October 21, 2024 at 11:40 am

Since I now don’t come here on game day at all after Nagler got too busy to type, this is the piece that draws me back every Monday. I also think it consistently prompts the most interesting comments/discussions. This and Al are the primary CHTV reasons to stay here these days and prompt the best comments too.

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LeotisHarris's picture

October 21, 2024 at 07:45 pm

FWIW, other fan sites are suggesting the Packers are looking to trade Preston before the trade deadline.

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stockholder's picture

October 21, 2024 at 10:33 am

I thought Doubs had two plays that were
interference.
1. The hit in the end Zone.
I know both got their heads turned.
But I didn't like the body contact.
2. The CB grabbed his right arm
on a out.
Romeo almost caught it with
his left.
I know the refs miss stuff.
Still I thought I would mention it.

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Coldworld's picture

October 21, 2024 at 11:41 am

Agree with you on the out route: pretty blatant. I don’t recall the other.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

October 21, 2024 at 11:39 am

"Eric Wilson certainly answered the bell after Quay Walker was injured on the Texans thrid possession. He had 5 solo tackles, 4 of which were tackles for loss, 1 QB hit, and one pass defensed, a nice play against TE Dalton Schultz on a 3rd and 5 to force a punt."

How about Wilson's two sacks? The box score also shows Wilson had 2 sacks. Are you referring to them as tackles for loss?

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Coldworld's picture

October 21, 2024 at 11:48 am

One of those sacks owes as much to Cooper just washing the OL man out of the lane. Nice stunt superbly executed and finished. Not bad for a smaller ILB. They looked like a surprisingly natural pairing at times.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

October 21, 2024 at 03:47 pm

Agreed that these two did well! While I think #7 can be used effectively the team seemed to play better without him.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 21, 2024 at 07:38 pm

Oops! Wilson had himself a day.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 21, 2024 at 06:48 pm

PFF Stuff/I'm an idiot:

1. WR Bo Melton: 81.2
2. WR Romeo Doubs: 76.4
3. RT Zach Tom: 72.6
4. QB Jordan Love: 72.2
5. TE Ben Sims: 69.6

1. WR Jayden Reed: 40.1
2. WR Christian Watson: 53.3
3. LT Rasheed Walker: 55.6
4. RG Sean Rhyan: 56.0
5. TE Tucker Kraft: 56.8

The biggest problem here is the bottom 5 graded players all play a lot of snaps. Two of the top 5 graded players don't play much and/or are strictly role players. I am watching JT O'Sullivan's The QB School (which I highly recommend). Looks to me like Walker and Tom allowed a lot more pressures than PFF suggested. I also noted that on 2 of Tom's misadventures Love is 12 yards deep. OTs should be able to push the DE wide and past the QB but Love is so deep that that doesn't work. Romo mentions it, but O'Sullivan hasn't - at least not yet as I am only about 20 minutes into O'Sullivan's video.

1. LB Eric Wilson: 82.7
2. LB Quay Walker: 76.8
3. DE Rashan Gary: 74.0
4. S Xavier McKinney: 69.1
5. S Javon Bullard: 66.1

1. DE Lukas Van Ness: 30.2
2. LB Edgerrin Cooper: 34.4
3. DL TJ Slaton: 35.1
4. DE Preston Smith: 37.5
5. DL Colby Wooden: 55.5

Quote from Zach Kruse of Packerswire:

"Van Ness played 32 snaps, including 22 as a pass-rushers, but wasn’t credited with a pressure. He also missed two tackles. Cooper missed two tackles, gave up two completions into his coverage and earned a poor run defense grade. Slaton played 22 snaps against the run but missed two tackles and earned a poor run defense grade. Smith was on the field for a season low 28 snaps, and he didn’t register a single pressure. Wooden had a quarterback hit but wasn’t effective against the run. ....Gary produced a team-high six pressures, including two quarterback hits and his first sack since Week 1. He also had two run stops.

Gary has to provide too much of the pressure. No mention of Clark and Enagbare, who I thought had pretty good days. They are somewhere between 55.5 and 66.1, I guess. PFF wrote that "Cooper missed two tackles, gave up two completions into his coverage and earned a poor run defense grade." Well, I saw some of missed run fits/slash missed tackles. Oh, well.

Man, those are some brutal grades for the DE opposite Gary. Yeah, I saw Slaton waving at running backs, thinking okay, Slaton's about to shed and tackle the RB, which just didn't happen. I am not surprised that Jonathan Ford was activated off the IR (Slaton is a free agent in 2024 and isn't the answer at NT). Packers waive Orzech. He sucks, but he has sucked for a long time now yet had been untouchable. They did not seem to have a LS on speed dial during training camp since Orzech sucked then, too.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 21, 2024 at 08:18 pm

Justis Mosqueda points out that GB released Orzech, a vested veteran (very important) before. He thinks GB will waive Ford and re-sign Ford the practice squad. As soon as Ford is off the 53, Justis thinks they will just re-sign Orzech.

GB risks losing Ford to waivers, but have an understanding with Orzech, who is not subject to waivers. Orzech had two bad snaps - one a low snap on a punt and on the game winning field goal. The guy is not good and he is not at his best when the pressure is on.

But GB never seemed serious about looking for a replacement. Justis is highly likely to be correct.

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