Packers Snap Counts Vs. Minnesota: Week 12, 2025

The Packers get a lead and dominate defensively.

 

 

The Packers elevated RB Pierre Strong and LB Jamon Johnson from the practice squad due to the absences of Josh Jacobs and Quay Walker.  The inactive players due to injury were CB Nate Hobbs, WR Matthew Golden, LB Quay Walker, and RB Josh Jacobs. The healthy scratches were OL Donovan Jennings, Kicker Lucas Havrisik, and LB Jamon Johnson.  RB Pierre Strong was active but did not play.

Josh Jacobs was reportedly a game time decision, but ultimately, he was not active.  Edge Lucas Van Ness and DL Karl Brooks returned from injury but were on steep pitch counts.  Keisean Nixon collided with Devonte Wyatt and left the game.  He did not return.

 

OFFENSIVE LINEMEN:

Player Snaps % STs
Tom 66 100 5/21%
Rhyan 66 100 5/21%
Walker 66 100 5/21%
Banks 66 100 5/21%
Belton 45 68 5/21%
Morgan 21 32 5/21%
Kinnard 21 32 5/21%
Monk     2/8%

 

The run blocking looked better than the statistics would indicate.  The Packers gained 146 yards on 42 carries for a 3.48-yard average, with 2 rushing touchdowns and a long of 13.  Perhaps the important number is not the average but the fact that the Packers got 42 carries.  There were few negative runs.  The line seemed to be able to lean on the Vikings as the game wore on.  Anthony Belton and Jordan Morgan initially alternated at right guard by series, but  Belton simply won the job and played every snap in the second half.  True, the line did not open too many large holes, but the backs ran hard and the line just mauled the defense.  The Packers had 6 explosive runs, but several of them were just scrums that migrated down the field in a muddle.  Pro Football Focus indicated that the Packers gained just 0.3 yards before contact per carry.  Darian Kinnard played a lot of snaps as a 6thh offensive lineman or as an inline TE.    

The Packers allowed 5 quarterback hits and 1 sack.  Those are good numbers but the pass protection was not as good as the numbers suggest.  Love only attempted 21 passes.  Love faced fairly quick pressure rather often but handled it very well.  Still, PFF indicated the Packers allowed just 14 pressures, a pretty low number, including 3 times when a pass rushers came in unblocked.  Love had 2.68 seconds on average to throw, whereas JJ McCarthy had 3.10 seconds. 

Tom did not allow any pressures.  Jordan Morgan also did not allow any pressures in 7 pass blocking snaps.  Banks and Belton each allowed 1 hurry.  Rasheed Walker allowed 2 pressures including the Vikings only sack.  Walker seems to always have one or two whiffs each game while otherwise providing good pass protection.  Sean Rhyan allowed 2 hurries.  PFF did not list any of the linemen as having had a particularly strong game.

 

RUNNING BACKS:

 

Player Snaps % STs
Wilson 37 56  
Brooks 29 44 17/71%
Strong DNP    

Emanuel Wilson finished with 107 yards on 28 carries for a 3.82-yard average.  He had 2 rushing touchdowns.  Coach LaFleur lauded Wilson for running with great pad level, particularly on one touchdown run when the hole failed to materialize and he bounced over and found a crease.  He indeed seemed to move the pile often and showed some vision.  Wilson caught both of his targets for 18 yards and was solid in pass protection. 

Chris Brooks gained 21 tough yards on 8 carries, a 2.63-yard average.  He caught his only target for 5 yards.  Brooks had a rough day in pass protection, allowing 3 pressures on 8 pass blocking snaps.  Note that Brooks played 29 snaps but received just 8 carries, otherwise blocking or running routes.  

 

QUARTERBACKS:

Player Snaps % STs
Love 60 91  
Willis 6 9  

 

Love completed 14 of 21 (66.67%) for 139 yards (6.62 yards/attempt), with no touchdowns or interceptions.  Love had a long of 18.  He had an 85.2 passer rating.  Love played with a separated left shoulder (AC Joint Sprain), and it showed.  His handoffs to the backs were awkward and a couple of his passes came off his hand strangely and dived towards the ground.  That said, he handled blitzes and pressure in general very well, and had a robust average depth of target.  He rushed 3 times for 15 yards including a 13-yard scramble for a first down.  It was a smart and gutty performance. 

Malik Willis completed a pass for 7 yards and gained 3 yards on 2 carries, including a kneel down.  I thought Willis was the second-best quarterback on the field.         

 

TIGHT ENDS:

Player Snaps % STs
Fitzpatrick 40 61 3/12%
Whyle 27 41 7/29%
Musgrave 25 38  

 

Musgrave caught 1 of his 2 targets for 7 yards but he drew a long pass interference penalty on Vikings safety, Joshua Metellus.  Fitzpatrick caught 1 pass for11 yards and Whyle caught 1 pass for 1 yard.  The Packers used 1.39 TEs per play on average as they chose to use a lot of heavy packages.   

 

WIDE RECEIVERS:

Player Snaps % STs
Watson 49 74  
Doubs 48 73 4/17%
Wicks 32 48  
Heath 13 20  
Williams 8 12 3/12%

 

Watson caught 5 of his 7 targets for 49, a 9.8-yard average with a long of 12.  I am happy to see a little more volume out of Watson despite Love attempting only 21 passes.  He continued to be a good blocker.  PFF gave Watson an initial grade of 81.9.  Doubs caught 2 of his 3 targets for 23 yards with a long of 18.  Wicks caught 2 of 4 targets for32 yards with a long of 18.  Heath and Williams had no statistics.  This game leaned heavily on the run game.

The offense was just okay.  Another opponent successfully managed to shorten the game, as the Packers got just 3 possessions in the first half, plus a kneel down.  The Packers led 10-6 at the half.  Zayne Anderson provided a game-changing special teams play.   Anderson blocked a Viking into a punt, causing a turnover with the Packers getting the ball at the Viking 5-yard line.  Anderson recovered the punt.  Two runs by Wilson resulted in a touchdown that pushed the lead to 17-6.  The Packers' defense looks like a different beast when the Packers are up 2 scores. 

 

DEFENSIVE TACKLES:

 

Player Snaps % STs
Wyatt 34 77 2/8%
Wooden 23 52 2/8%
Brinson 21 48 2/8%
Brooks 4 9 3/12%
Stackhouse 3 7  

Wooden had 4 tackles (3 solo) with a tackle for loss.  Wyatt had 3 solo tackles, including 2 sacks.  Wyatt got good penetration all game, and he benefited by the havoc caused by Parsons and Gary for his two sacks.  Brinson had 1 solo tackle, a half sack.  Stackhouse had no statistics but he did exactly what a 330-pound NT is supposed to do by totally clogging the middle so others could make a tackle in the backfield.  Stackhouse was partially responsible for the Packers getting a turnover on downs when he clogged the middle and Enagbare crashed down and made a tackle for loss.  Brooks was on a pitch count coming off injury and had no statistics.

Brinson had 5 pressures on 15 pass rushing snaps per Gen Stats (4 pressures per PFF).  PFF gave him an initial grade of 75.1.  Wooden had 3 stops.  The Vikings gained 86 yards on 17 carries in the first half, a 5.06-yard average, but gained just 7 yards on 3 carries in the second half after falling behind.

 

DEFENSIVE ENDS:

Player Snaps % STs
Parsons 40 91  
Gary 32 73  
Enagbare 15 34 9/38%
Van Ness 6 14  
Mosby     19/79%
Sorrell     7/29%

 

Parsons had 2 solo tackles, 3 quarterback hits, and 2 sacks.  PFF listed him with 4 pressures (1 hurries, 1 QB hits, 2 sacks) in 23 pass rushing snaps, a 17.4% success rate.  He had no stops on run defense.  Gary had 3 tackles (1 solo), 2 QB hits, and a pass defensed.  PFF listed Gary with 3 pressures (2 hurries and 1 QB Hit) on 20 pass rushes, a 15.0% success rate, plus 2 run stops.  Enagbare had 1 solo tackle, a QB hit and an important tackle for loss inside the 5-yard line.  

   

LINEBACKERS:

Players Snaps % STs
Cooper 44 100 6/25%
McDuffie 44 100 6/25%
Hopper 18 41 19/79%
Mosby     19/79%
Welch     14/58%

 

McDuffie had 9 tackles (5 solo), 1 QB hit, half of a sack, 1 interception and 1 pass defensed.  He allowed 3 of 4 completions for 17 yards and he had 1 run stop.  PFF gave him an initial 87.8 grade.  McDuffie had a nice tackle on TE Hockenson on a sneak, and a nice tackle of Aaron Jones to help force a punt.  Cooper had 4 tackles (2 solo).  Hopper had 2 tackles (1 solo) and 2 tackles on special teams (1 solo, 1 assisted).  PFF did not assign any stops or pressures to Hopper.     

 

DEFENSIVE BACKS:

Player Snaps % STs
McKinney 44 100 8/33%
Williams 44 100 10/42%
Valentine 44 100 3/12%
Hadden 31 70 8/33%
Bullard 24 55 7/25%
Nixon 13 34 1/4%
Anderson     17/71%
Olapado     13/54%
Hadden     6/27%

 

Mckinney had 3 tackles (1 solo).  Evan Williams had  4 solo tackles, an interception, a pass defensed and a tackle for loss.  PFF assigned 1 stop to Williams and 2 completions on 3 targets for 23 yards. Hadden had 4 tackles (1 solo) and allowed 2 completions on 2 targets for 12 yards.  Bullard had 1 assisted tackle and a pass defensed.  Valentine had no statistics.  PFF listed him as allowing no completions for no yards.  

The Packers held JJ McCarthy to a 34 passer rating.  He completed 12 of 19 for 87 yards, 2 interceptions and he took 5 sacks.

 

SPECIAL TEAMS:

Whelan punted 4 times and averaged 47.5 yards and almost 45 yards net.  He flipped the field on a punt.  McManus made both of his extra points and all 3 of his field goals, with a long of 40.  Zayne Anderson blocked a Viking one of Whelan's punts and then recovered the ball at the Minnesota 5-yard line.  That provided the 2 score margin that allowed the pass rushers to ignore the run. 

I never thought the Vikings could mount enough offense to threaten the Packers, but I was worried that the Packers could make too many mistakes.  

 

Photo courtesy of William Glasheed of USA Today.

Statistics coutesy of NFLgsis and PFF.

OL: 5.32 (high)

RB: 1.00

TE: 1.39

WR: 2.27

DT: 1.93

DE: 2.11

LB: 2.41

DB: 4.55

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 24, 2025 at 07:04 am

The Vikings have some talented players, especially on defense, and of course good coaching. I did not think Love was 100% physically but his mental processing in this game was very good. The Packers are built to play with a lead. LaFleur really leaned into the run game, with 5.32 offensive linemen plus 1.39 TEs on the field on average per play. The TEs aren't that helpful. I had hopes (and still do) that Whyle would build on his week 11 game. I don't think Fitzpatrick blocks well enough to be on the field for loads of snaps and I don't think Musgrave is enough of a receiving threat to warrant very many snaps. He is getting PI calls, so those have actually added up. I don't think he would have caught any of the passes involved with those PI calls, so I view them as manna from heaven.

I was happy that Hadden got to get his feet wet with facing a JV quarterback. I sometimes don't agree with the fans who hated having a #1 WR, but Addison has to be getting upset: 43 snaps, 1 target, 0 receptions. McCarthy did not go after Hadden. It was Jefferson or check downs to Aaron Jones or Hockenson: those 3 constitute 16 of McCarthy's 19 attempts. Some of GB's pass rushers don't have humongous numbers but MN only passed 19 times. Run D could be a little tighter.

I tried to use a photo of McDuffie, but I did not like the available photos. It was the perfect game for him to shine and he did. Williams got his 3rd INT of the year and 4th of his career so I used his photo. He has been throwing his body around pretty good as well.

GB looked like they had more talent. I know some media guys (Justis Mosqueda for one) have written that GB should just use Belton at RG for the rest of this season, and that seems like a good idea to me, unless Belton disappoints, but I think there is a good chance he gets better with reps. Remember, some guys put stuff on tape and oppsosing DL study it and find things to exploit. I remember Runyan coming in as a rookie and having a nice game in his first extended action of his career, and then went progressively downhill after that. He found ways to mitigate those weaknesses opponents found in his film, and became serviceable, mostly in year 2. It can go both ways.

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T7Steve's picture

November 24, 2025 at 07:28 am

You talked about Darian Kinnard in the heavy sets, but I didn't see him in your snap counts. He seemed to be on the field and involved quite a bit. Was just curious how many times they were playing the heavy package and happy they weren't called for an illegal procedure lining up this game.

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dobber's picture

November 24, 2025 at 07:48 am

There are two "Belton" on the OL list. I think the second one must be Kinnard.

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T7Steve's picture

November 24, 2025 at 08:02 am

Thanks. I didn't notice that and now TGR has it fixed.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 24, 2025 at 08:05 am

"There are two "Belton" on the OL list. I think the second one must be Kinnard."

Precisely. Fixed now. 21 snaps for Kinnard, I should think they were all as a 6th lineman and he often reported as eligible, maybe everytime. I did not check that.

I see that PFF gave good blocking grades to Fitzpatrick [74 pblock and 76 rblock and Musgrave (71.3 and 71.9) last week against the Giants.] Maybe I should watch the TEs more closely. .] I wonder what grades they will get this week against MN. I don't subscribe but barasaki productions on ytube shows practically everything PFF puts out a couple days after the game. [I keep expecting them to get a cease and desist order.] Some folks are incredible but I can only watch the ball and kind of look at the RG/RT group but then I find it hard to notice the left side of the line. I never could multi-task worth a darn: I could focus.

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Guam's picture

November 24, 2025 at 07:57 am

Spot on comment about Love not being 100% physically TGR. The TV announcers (particularly Greg Olson) mentioned that Love was handing the ball off to the RBs with the wrong hand (right hand) on several occasions and I suspect that was Love trying to protect his left shoulder. I also think that was partly why LafLuer leaned into the run game so heavily. He did not want to expose Love and that injured left shoulder to any more hits than necessary.

The Packers also had more success running right (behind Belton) than I have seen all season long. Belton, who is a mauler, and a healthy Banks, who has looked much better the last two games, may be the source of a revived Packer running game down the stretch. That would really help the offense and protect Love while he heals.

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Coldworld's picture

November 24, 2025 at 09:22 am

The fact remains though that Wilson’s yards were 85% or more after contact. That’s pathetic. There is still a lot to be improved. Perhaps that’s coordination for the most part but the line wasn’t working as a unit inside despite seemingly better individual play.

On the one sack, Whyle effectively whiffed on the chip causing the rusher to come free, not Walker, who had the man inside.

There was really very little to justify Fitzpatrick or Whyle being out there at all based upon yesterday. Musgrave at least suggested he could add a little as a target, but apart from his PI he really wasn’t used again till Willis came in so not really conclusive.

Brinson had his first sack, but he was also very good on his other snaps. It’s time we see more of him. Valentine followed Jefferson initially on every rep after Nixon went out. His performance was again impressive.

Belton looks a lot more natural as a G. I wish he’d been there (and Morgan primarily at RT) since the spring. He did have one complete whiff, but he’s only had a week, so that’s to be expected. I really hope and pray that they do not start messing with Walker now Morgan has been displaced.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 24, 2025 at 11:18 am

Agreed, I don't see why they should be playing TE at all, we don't have one who can block. 6 O linemen is more effective and they need to get good at it. The next 5 games are not the time to focus on player development, it's time to try to win.

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tobinrote's picture

November 24, 2025 at 07:16 am

For all his limitations it seemed to me McDuffie played better than Walker usually does. And Belton is clearly an upgrade over Morgan, who is more of a fifth rounder than the first rounder Gutey, with his instinct for first round busts, thought him to be. The play calling still has me cursing, but there was a modest improvement calling a pass or two on second and long. But oh how i am anticipating Gibbs ruining my Thanksgiving as Karras and Brown did when i was much younger.

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egbertsouse's picture

November 24, 2025 at 07:20 am

The defense usually plays better when Walker is out.

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dobber's picture

November 24, 2025 at 09:17 am

The defense always plays better when the opponent's QB is this bad.

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Coldworld's picture

November 24, 2025 at 09:32 am

McDuffie is a run game specialist. That was an ideal game for him.

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GregC's picture

November 24, 2025 at 07:30 am

McDuffie had a nice game, but he was lucky to be facing one of the worst QBs in the league, who was unable to exploit his weaknesses in coverage. Quay Walker has played well this year, and the defense has been good with him on the field--usually against much better QBs than J.J. McCarthy.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 24, 2025 at 07:31 am

Yeah, I read comments about running plays on those three drives GB had that ended in field goals. IDK, Love looked not 100% but I have to admit that that was very conservative play calling.

I don't want to pay Quay more than $9M to maybe $11M (or $12M if the salary cap limit goes up $30M). He is not my favorite player in the world, but he is a more complete player than McDuffie. Quay is probably average and does not have huge weaknesses. McDuffie is hard nosed, tackles well, diagnoses pretty well, but he just can't always get where he needs to be and naturally that limitation makes him a bit of a liability in coverage. Still happy for him that he had a nice game. I wanted to sign a FA ILB type but Gute went this way.

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Oppy's picture

November 24, 2025 at 07:47 am

Quay's weakness is ability to diagnose and react.
His elite-level athleticism is what keeps him in the plays.
If he had possession of NFL starter instincts, he would be an elite player- unfortunately, he doesn't, and all that athleticism just keeps him in the "average starter" level of play.

I agree with you- keep him if the price is right

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dobber's picture

November 24, 2025 at 09:19 am

He needs to play downhill or chase. I've argued since he came in that he's really a WLB, but the Packers insist on continuing to play him in the middle. My guess is that the Packers let him walk and his next employer uses him that way--and he looks better.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 24, 2025 at 11:22 am

Quay plays better when Cooper adjusts #7's assignment. Giving the green dot to #7 puzzles me.

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Oppy's picture

November 25, 2025 at 01:30 am

You can know the defense and understand the fits and get everyone lined up- all of that is academic and if you're a good communicator you can handles those duties. Quay must fit the bill.

Once the ball is snapped, you have to be able to read and react in real time, and that's an entirely different set of skills and talent.

Some people perform under real time stress, some people freeze up.

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jannes bjornson's picture

November 24, 2025 at 09:34 am

Put the money on a free agent CB. Three to Four solid LBs coming out in the draft. Boettcher from Oregon is instinctive. Hopper can get the job done. Milano showed how you plug the gaps on Thursday Nght Football.

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HawkPacker's picture

November 24, 2025 at 08:24 am

Was not a fan of the Morgan pick. We should have gotten DeJean out of Iowa and that would have solved our db issues.

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dobber's picture

November 24, 2025 at 09:19 am

Says "Hawk"Packer.... ;)

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jannes bjornson's picture

November 24, 2025 at 09:41 am

Evan Williams has out-performed DeJean to date. Bullard vs Kam Kinchens, or Bullock who sealed the game for Houston vs Buffalo with an INT. Guys who play to the ball. I was in Morgan's camp and he still has better movement skills than Wallace on the LT spot. Let him stay where he belongs. If they wanted a Guard, he should have selected Barton in the draft. Cross-training is another excuse for missing on position specific guys.

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murf7777's picture

November 24, 2025 at 11:21 am

How did you determine who has outperformed between Williams and Dejean?

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 24, 2025 at 12:04 pm

Dejean owns a super bowl ring?

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HawkPacker's picture

November 24, 2025 at 12:18 pm

Good point but from what I have heard from different parties, he has been excellent.

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Coldworld's picture

November 24, 2025 at 09:01 am

McDuffie was not tested in coverage. When he isn’t, he’s a good player. He was particularly good at the other aspects of the role yesterday.

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jannes bjornson's picture

November 24, 2025 at 09:45 am

He broke up a 3rd down attempt and made a big play on the INT. He knew where to be in the defense, not no-man's land.

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Coldworld's picture

November 24, 2025 at 10:38 am

The INT went straight to him. He caught it, which shouldn’t be overlooked, but his coverage ability has consistently been why he’s depth. He plays hard, does most things well, but is athletically limited and exposed particularly and perennially in coverage. If you could transplant his instincts in Walkers’ body, then you would have a potentially great player.

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murf7777's picture

November 24, 2025 at 11:17 am

McDuffie definitely had a great game, but saying he's a better player than Walker feels like a bit of a stretch, IMO.

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GregC's picture

November 24, 2025 at 07:25 am

I don't think I've ever seen a player knocked out of a game due to running into a teammate who's on the sidelines. Bummer for Keisean Nixon. Devonte Wyatt should've given more ground.

So much for Bo Melton being the #4 CB. I don't get it. He looked very good at CB in training camp, but now the coaches seem to want to switch him back to WR.

The TV announcers dropped the ball by not calling attention to the fact that Anthony Belton played at right guard for the entire second half. I saw him out there and was wondering what was going on. I didn't even know there was going to be a rotation. Maybe it was a one-game thing due to the run-heavy game plan. But Jordan Morgan has not looked any better at guard than he did as a rookie, so maybe it's time to end that experiment. Aaron Banks, Sean Rhyan, and Anthony Belton could be a powerful run blocking trio in the interior.

This time, I thought it was the Packers, more than their opponent, who tried to shorten the game. Maybe it's not a bad way to go when your defense is that dominant. The drive with seven straight runs and a field goal was a bit much, though. You've got to mix some passes in, for crying out loud.

I'm a Michigan guy, and I feel kind of bad for J.J. McCarthy. (If it's possible for me to feel bad for a Vikings player, which it really isn't.) He's simply not ready to play the position. He should be learning from the bench and then being given another training camp to try to get up to speed. But he's all the Vikings have at QB, and they brought in a bunch of free agents to try to win now. So it's all on him. Maybe the Vikings were overconfident in him because of the big seasons by some rookie QBs in recent years. And he has really good receivers. It was interesting, by the way, that neither Jordan Addison nor Jalen Nailor caught a single pass in this game.

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dobber's picture

November 24, 2025 at 07:59 am

"McCarthy did not go after Hadden. "

...or McDuffie.

The man-child genius O'Connell screwed the pooch doubly in not isolating one of their golden WR on Hadden or trying to exploit McDuffie in coverage with someone like Jones or an underneath route with a WR. Maybe the Hadden thing was unexpected (everyone knew Nixon was out, though), but I think he knew they were going to see a lot of 58 and could try to involve wrinkles in the game plan to exploit that.

As was noted, there were plenty of plays where McCarthy had time...even if he's working on a 386 processor, they should've been finding those mis-matches. Throw at Hadden to make plays with your high-end guys or try to draw penalties until Hadden shows he's game. You'd better believe that if Nixon misses time on Thursday, the Lions are going right at Hadden. I think this is where the mystique of a Micah Parsons and the perception that he's breathing down their necks leads QBs to make decisions when the play doesn't warrant it.

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HawkPacker's picture

November 24, 2025 at 08:27 am

Dobber, you are giving McCarthy too much credit. I would go with a 186 processor!

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dobber's picture

November 24, 2025 at 09:13 am

Then I think Luke Fickell will be checking to see if he's got any eligibility left.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 24, 2025 at 11:02 am

I seem to remember GB getting Aaron Jones matched up on a Linebacker and just torching a couple of teams until the NFL realized they needed to bring down a safety. Maybe Jones can no longer win those routes, but I have to say I would not want want to see McDuffie trying to cover Aaron Jones.

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Coldworld's picture

November 24, 2025 at 04:38 pm

Cooper and Hopper however are possibly fast enough to make that a less certain win.

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Guam's picture

November 24, 2025 at 08:34 am

Agree with most of your comments Greg, but not the "you've got to mix some passes in" part, at least for this game. LaFleur was clearly protecting Love's injured left shoulder with the ultra conservative play calls. Love's left shoulder was bad enough that he was handing the ball off with the wrong hand whenever he was turning to his right so that he protected his left shoulder from extension or getting tugged as the RB grabbed the ball.

LaFleur was relying on the running game and defense to minimize the hits on Love and win this one. Hopefully Love is a little healthier for the Lions game.

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Coldworld's picture

November 24, 2025 at 09:07 am

Handing off the ball that way makes sense with a separated shoulder. It prevents the arm getting caught and tugged during the exchange. It does alter the position and timing slightly. That it went off without a hitch suggests it had been practiced beforehand.

However, given what LaFleur asked of Love, if Love was that sub par, Willis could have done just as well or by alternative means (the floated passes to Wicks and, I think Doubs). It was elther pointless to play him with the game plan evinced during the first half or this narrative is BS apologism.

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Guam's picture

November 24, 2025 at 09:37 am

I think you underestimate LaFleur's aversion to change. Watching Love yesterday I tend to agree that Willis should have started and played the game, but LaFleur doesn't change unless forced to. Give his preference (and probably Love's desire) that Love play, the game plan made sense. With a back up as competent as Willis and Love's separated shoulder, why not play Willis???? Good question CW.

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jannes bjornson's picture

November 24, 2025 at 09:59 am

Ground and Pound vs the Blitzkrieg Flores was bringing down from inside and out. The Rivalry Games will be about attrition and see who makes it to the final tape. Brooks needs to see more looks and get him working the wheel routes and hook zones. All of the Pack's RBs are good receivers. The Detroit game should be a shootout. Maybe he brings Reed onboard for some shot plays if Golden stays on the injured list.

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Coldworld's picture

November 24, 2025 at 10:42 am

Fair point Guam. I was not making extra allowances for LaFleur’s peccadillos that we have to overcome,

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Oppy's picture

November 25, 2025 at 07:05 pm

The answer to your question nobody wants to hear is that the drop off from love to willis in terms of actual QBing ability is steeper than packers fans / love haters want to admit.

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dobber's picture

November 24, 2025 at 09:16 am

"Agree with most of your comments Greg, but not the "you've got to mix some passes in" part, at least for this game."

Maybe. Remember when the 9ers beat the Packers in the playoffs by throwing 11 passes? I'm hoping the Vikings fans are taking that little bit of extra salt in that wound.
"You got handled and we didn't need to do anything special to make it happen."
When was the last time LaF ran only one jet/WR sweep in a game?

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Coldworld's picture

November 24, 2025 at 09:36 am

We did need something special. Whelan and Anderson were the making of that game to a degree seldom seen.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 24, 2025 at 11:26 am

Jordan Morgan is better at T than G, and he's better on the left side of the line than the right. Playing him at RT is a big mistake. Hopefully it hasn't ruined him at LT.

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Blizzard's picture

November 24, 2025 at 03:03 pm

I think Jordan Morgan is better suited to pick up trash out in the parking lot. This guy hasn't shown me any signs that he should be a starter anywhere or even a good back up.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

November 24, 2025 at 12:08 pm

Greg: "Devonte Wyatt should've given more ground."

I thought the same thing and would liked to have seen Wyatt try to "catch" or mitigate the impact. I felt he essentially stood firm and for a smaller guy like Nixon it was somewhat like running into a "big" brick wall.

Overall good post, Greg.

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UnoMyName's picture

November 24, 2025 at 07:52 am

" I thought Willis was the second-best quarterback on the field." Now that made me laugh. How true!!

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dobber's picture

November 24, 2025 at 08:15 am

The Packers went heavy a lot yesterday. The trend by some teams in the league (KC, Rams, etc.) is to go heavy and then throw out of that look against heavy/base defenses. The Packers went heavy and ran out of it...going heavy takes a better pass-catcher off the field and replaces him with either a non-threatening OL (Kinnard) or a sub-par pass-catching TE. I think the teams that use this as a passing set have better all-around TEs or much stronger perimeter receivers.

I don't think the heavy sets will bother the Lions very much on Thursday. That one's going to be a battle.

This seemed to also be the first game in awhile where Wyatt seemed close to 100%. He was active and making plays. The Wayne and Larry comment seemed to be that the Packers' MO was to attack McCarthy and stop the run on the way to the QB. In that mindset, sometimes you'll make big stops, but you'll also give up some chunk runs. Mason and Jones each had a longer run apiece, but otherwise were nickel and diming it. IMO it seemed that every time the Vikings asked McCarthy to pass, they were doing the Packers a favor.

Enagbare will be a depth/rotational DE for a while in this league.

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Coldworld's picture

November 24, 2025 at 09:37 am

Enagbare has become a great piece in the run game. He’s almost no threat to the passer.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 24, 2025 at 11:28 am

We have enough talent at WR that playing 6 O linemen is a good idea.

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Coldworld's picture

November 24, 2025 at 09:16 am

The defense was not dominant until we had the lead. We were giving up 5 yards a carry to both RBs in the first half despite it being obvious that the run was their plan in its entirety. We were 10-6 up only because of that play by Stackhouse (who also had the runners legs) and we had just punted at the start of the second half. That’s when STs changed the game. The run D vanished because the Vikings only ran twice after that really. Our rush came alive.

Without that ST play, our D was heading for exhaustion and, conceivably, a mistake. Jones is perfectly capable of pulling off one game changing play akin to that that won the game for the Eagles. Instead we were put back in a position where our D can thrive. The STs set up the win and saved our D from a very physical grinding and possibly defeat in the manner of the Eagles game. Without that play, despite Wilson, it’s not clear we win.

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PearlyBakerBest's picture

November 24, 2025 at 09:57 am

They rushed for 35 yards on two carries in the first half. If you take those away the YPC drops below 3. Yea, they seemed to run the ball well in the second quarter but even then their possessions resulted in a turnover on downs and a 59 yard field goal. A 59 yarder. Their other field goal was a 52 yarder. Half of their 20 rushes for 93 yards came on three plays, one of which was a QB scramble. If they were so dominant in the run game, one special teams miscue wouldn’t cause complete abandonment.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 24, 2025 at 10:58 am

"The defense was not dominant until we had the lead." Fact checking:

First Half RB carries were 15 for 86 (5.73 yds/carry), so minus 2/35 leaves 13 for 51, or 3.92 yards per carry. That is not stupendous but it is roughly moderately below the NFL average (which includes all explosives, so we are no longer comparing apples to apples).

MN had 3 carries for 7 yards in the second half and 10 of those yards was on a scramble. The RBs carried twice for net negative yards.

MN had 141 net total yards in the first half; 280 for a game is not great but not horrible, either. MN finished with 145 net total yards. 4 net yards in the second half is really bad. 6 points in the first half, and none in the second half. JJ McCarthy passed for 25 yards in the second half but lost 27 yards due to sacks, so he was negative.

2nd half was clearly a dominant defensive effort. Semantics on the first half but 141 total yards is not horrible, though 6 points is below average.

Not dominant until the second half/two score lead checks out. True

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PearlyBakerBest's picture

November 24, 2025 at 12:48 pm

Good stuff. I was just pointing out that the D was not on the verge of collapse had it not been for a special teams play, as it seems CW would have one believe.

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Coldworld's picture

November 24, 2025 at 01:43 pm

I just said they were moving the chains and, bar Stackhouse, would have had the lead. I did point out that a full game of that would have exhausted the D front to the detriment of Thursday and that the avoidance of that had nothing to do with the offense. The rest is your imagination.

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PearlyBakerBest's picture

November 24, 2025 at 03:45 pm

Your own words were without the ST play they were headed for exhaustion based off 5 yds per carry. I just pointed out that number was skewed by a couple of plays. Imagine that.

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Coldworld's picture

November 24, 2025 at 04:47 pm

“the D was not on the verge of collapse had it not been for a special teams play, as it seems CW would have one believe.” That not the same as being worn down going into Thursday and with no certain outcome yesterday, as I said. Imagination as your starting premise only overlaid with further fantasy when rebutted.

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PearlyBakerBest's picture

November 24, 2025 at 04:55 pm

You’re the one insinuating the D was going to falter because the Vikings were running 5 ypc had the special teams play not happened. You’ve said the same thing in multiple posts on CHTV and APC. Moving the goalposts now. Just like Leatherhead said.

Do yourself a favor. Stop pissing in your own milk.

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PearlyBakerBest's picture

November 24, 2025 at 09:29 am

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TheBigO's picture

November 24, 2025 at 03:11 pm

Golden is listed with 19 snaps in this game--he didn't play.

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