Packers Snap Counts Versus The Bucanneers: Week Three

Keisean Nixon and Romeo Doubs come up big in extended action.

The Packers placed Sammy Watkins on the Injured Reserve List and elevated Juwaan Winfree to the 53-man roster from the practice squad.  The Packers signed Patrick Taylor to the 53-man roster and signed Fulgham to the practice squad.  The Packers left the practice squad with 15 players and likely will sign a player to fill out the PS early this week.  As a note, those moves reduced the Packers' cap space by $587,555, plus another $172,500 when the Packers sign the 16th player to the PS, per Ken Ingalls.

The Inactive Players were Rasheed Walker, Caleb Jones, Sean Rhyan, Jonathan Ford, Samori Toure (all healthy scratches) and Christian Watson due to a hamstring issue.  Jordan Love, Tariq Carpenter and Zach Tom did not play.  Jake Hanson played a few snaps after Josh Myers left the game late in the second half with what appeared to be cramps and Jaire Alexander left the game with a groin injury after just 9 snaps. 

Player Snaps % STs
Jenkins 62 100  
Runyan 62 100 2-8%
Newman 62 100 2-8%
Myers 59 95  
Bakhtiari 35 56  
Nijman 27 44 2-8%
Hanson 3 5 2-8%
       
Rodgers 62 100  
Love DNP    
       
Jones 39 63 1-4%
Dillon 33 54 1-4%
P. Taylor     10-40%
       
Tonyan 36 58 1-4%
Lewis 22 35 2-8%
Davis 19 31 23-92%
Deguara 9 15 18-72%
       
Lazard 56 90 1-4%
Doubs 55 89 1-4%
Cobb 25 40  
Winfree 13 21 3-12%
Amari Rodgers 3 5 11-44%
       
20 on Offense      

It was a tale of two halves on offense for the Packers.  The first possession featured a 3-yard run up the middle by Jones, a beautifully blocked 10-yard run by Jones off left tackle (with a nice kick out block by Bakhtiari, a nice reach block by Myers to seal the hole that allowed Runyan to get to the second level) and a 4-yard carry by Dillon up the middle.  Jones lost 2 yards while trying the right end, and Dillon failed to gain yardage on a run to the left, but a 17-yard completion to Cobb and an 8-yard completion to Jones along with a couple of passes to Doubs capped off a nice drive.  Five carries for 15 yards mixed with 5 passes for 55 yards resulted in a touchdown.

The second possession also resulted in a touchdown.  That 11-play drive included 3 runs for 8 yards with Dillon's 3-yard run converting a 2nd and one.  The third possession was a 6-play drive that included a huge 40-yard pass to Randall Cobb and 4 runs for 17 yards, but Jones fumbled at the Tampa Bay 2-yard line after catching a pass from Rodgers. 

And that was the end of the offense for the day.  The first three drives gained 206 yards.  The next 9 possessions gained just 109 yards.  The Packers would have a 4th possession in the first half for 8 more yards but it ended with a punt.  The 8 possessions in the second half included just 3 first downs. 

Dillon and Jones ran the ball 13 times for 43 yards in the first half, a 3.3-yard average.  It was not great but it was enough to keep Tampa Bay honest.  In the first half, Rodgers completed 15 of 18 passes for 171 yards, a healthy 9.5-yards per attempt, with 2 touchdowns and no interceptions, good for a 143.3 passer rating.  He completed 12 of 17 (70.6%) for 84 yards (4.95 yards/target) in the second half, with an interception.  Rodgers finished with a 103.3 passer rating.  The Packers ran the ball 13 times in the first half and 11 times in the second half (12 if one includes the kneel down).  Those 11 carries by running backs in the second half only gained 25 yards, with just 3 of the runs being "successful" runs.

Doubs caught 8 passes on 8 targets for 73 yards.  Doubs had 4 receptions for 44 yards in the first half with a touchdown and four receptions in the second half for 29 yards.  Cobb caught 2 passes for 57 yards, all in the first half.  Davis caught one pass for 23 yards in the first half and another pass in the second half for 3 yards.  Lazard finished with 4 receptions for 45 yards, with 13 yards and a touchdown in the first half and added 2 receptions for 32 yards in the second half, including a beautiful pass from Rodgers for 26 yards with a safety barreling down on him to move the chains and keep the clock running.  Dillon and Jones caught 6 of 9 targets for 17 yards for the game.  Those passes into the flat did not work well against a team with two fast ILBs.  

The experiment in rotating series with Bakhtiari and Nijman seemed to work well enough.  I charted which series had Nijman and which Bakhtiari played and did not discern any patterns.  Once this team loses momentum it just seems to get stuck in molasses.  Jenkins might still be kicking off the rust as I thought he gave up a couple of pressures, including one that forced a completion to Jones in the flat for a small loss, which forced a punt.  Newman gave up the only sack to Logan Hall, though Rodgers had at least some time to scan the field.     

Doubs was the beneficiary of Watson and Watkins being unavailable.  Doubs played 89% of possible snaps after playing 37% last week.  Davis continues to outsnap Deguara, and Tonyan got more snaps than Lewis again.

 

PLAYER SNAPS % STs
Stokes 65 100 5-20%
Amos 65 100 6-24%
Savage 65 100 3-12%
Douglas 63 97 6-24%
Nixon 57 88 16-64%
Alexander 6 9  
Jean-Charles 2 3 17-68%
Leavitt     20-80%
R. Ford     17-68%
       
Campbell 65 100 2-8%
Q Walker 55 85 7-28%
Smith 51 78 2-8%
Gary 43 66 2-8%
Enagbare 23 35 1-4%
Garvin 12 18 10-40%
McDuffie     20-80%
Gileai     20-80%
       
Clark 50 77 2-8% 
Reed 40 62 2-8%
Lowry 33 61 4-16%
Slaton 13 20 4-16%
Wyatt 7 11 6-24%
       
22 on Defense      
       
Crosby     5-20%
Coco     9-36%
O'Donnell     9-36%
       

 

The defense held an NFL team to just 12 points, albeit one that was missing at least four offensive starters.  3 of those points came after Tampa Bay intercepted Rodgers at the Green Bay 47 yard line.  The defense gave up one 19-yard pass to TE Cameron Brate and then forced a field goal. 

Devondre Campbell had a whopping 14 tackles (8 solo), one tackle for loss, and the game clinching pass breakup.  Rasul had 8 tackles (8 solo) and two pass breakups.  Keisean Nixon played mostly slot with Douglas moving to the perimenter when Alexander left early.  Nixon was picked on as the new player but held up well in coverage and had 6 tackles (5 solo) including an important forced fumble.  Quay Walker also forced a fumble while adding 5 tackles (3 solo). 

Kenny Clark was a force in the middle all game.  He had two sacks, and a tackle for loss.  Gary added a sack, and both applied pressure.  Preston Smith had no official statistics.  It is always difficult to generate big pressure statistics against Tom Brady because he gets the ball out so fast. 

The Packers held Fournette to 35 yards on 12 carries, a 2.9-yard average.  Fournette added another 35 yards on 5 receptions.  Though the Buccaneers did not have their top three wide receivers available, the ones they had have plenty of NFL experience.  Russell Gage, who just signed with the Buccaneers for 3 years, $30M, caught 12 of 13 targets for 87 yards, a 7.3-yard average.  Breshad Perriman chipped in 43 yards on three receptions, but also fumbled.  Cole Beasley caught 3 passes for 12 yards with a long of 5.  Beasley still has good hands. 

The Packers played Campbell on every snap as usual, but Walker increased his share 61%, to 78% and to 85% in week three.  Nixon had to play a lot of snaps due to injury. 

SPECIAL TEAMS:

Pat O'Donnell had a big day.  He punted 7 times for a 48.4-yard average, 44.7 net, with no less than 5 punts inside the 20.  Rudy Ford did a great job as the gunner: Ford has been worth every cent the Packers are paying him.  Amari Rodgers returned two punts for 21 yards, fair caught 3 and one was downed. 

 

UPDATE:

RB:  1.16

TE:  1.39

WR: 2.45

DL: 2.20

LB: 3.83 (1.85 ILB/1.98 OLB)

DB: 4.97

 

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Cubbygold's picture

September 26, 2022 at 05:53 am

Was it just me, or did Rasul suddenly look much better once Jaire was out and he didn't have to play in the slot anymore? Nixon played great but I'm worried about Jaire - hope this is just a very small setback on our way to him being talked about as a top 5 CB again.

Love seeing all the snaps for Doubs. At this point draft status shouldn't matter anymore, the coaching staff should be operating with the assumption that Lazard and Doubs are the top two receivers, and if someone else wants playing time they need to earn their way on the field. Watson being the higher draft pick should be eliminated from the coaching staff's minds and they should move forward being incredibly grateful that they found a stud in the 4th round.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

September 26, 2022 at 06:21 am

I got excited watching Doubs in Training Camp. I even put in the Doubs Section in the roundup. I only went to a couple of practices, but I thought I could see that he had "it" including some dynamism.

Cubby, Nixon did well. Now, I am not sure how much Beasley has left. He was a 2nd team all-pro in 2020, but his efficiency stats tanked in 2021 - that is, his yards per reception and per target shrunk as did his Adot.

I guess $10M AAV is roughly the going rate for a #3 WR like Gage, who had a couple of seasons with 750 yards or so with Matt Ryan in Atlanta to earn that contract. Perriman has experience (since 2015 in the NFL) but he signed for the veteran's minimum.

Looking at Brady and the receivers he had, jury is still out but Nixon did fine and Douglas can play the perimeter or the slot. He is a good tackler and offers nice run support, with the question being if he can hang with the burners outside.

Logan Hall had 3 QB hits, mostly against Jenkins and Newman. Apparently he stunk prior to this, so here is hoping Wyatt has a coming out party sometime this season.

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stockholder's picture

September 26, 2022 at 06:34 am

Cobb, Winfree and Rodgers. - It's why the offense went flat. I'm happy with the way Cobb played. But is the durability gone? 25?
Lazard has blocked better. - and the penalties were too technical on him. Must have been that needless hit.

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Coldworld's picture

September 26, 2022 at 10:44 am

Winfree didn’t even do much on STs. I like the guy, but we need to blood talent. That was a wasted opportunity.

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dobber's picture

September 26, 2022 at 07:41 am

Per play...
WR--2.45
RB--1.16, so about 10 plays with Dillon and AJones on the field together...mostly in the first half by my unfiltered observation.
TE--1.39
Thought we might see some jumbo package plays this week with Lewis playing at less than 100% and in the heat to beat on TBs front, but no additional snaps to OL.

DL--2.20
DB--4.97
LB--3.83
Played mostly nickel at the expense of the DL (rather than an ILB). Enagbare seemed to be in for most of that last TB drive, but the Packers weren't generating much outside pressure at that point...OLB looked gassed.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

September 26, 2022 at 09:38 am

I just logged back in because I realized I forgot to do the positions per snap (whatever it is called) calculations. Happy to see you did them for me.

Those DL numbers are surprising, but makes me wonder how good TB's OL was. ILBs inched up from 1.61 to 1.78 to 1.85. OLBs were 1.98, about the usual.

Very tight rotations at all of the position groups, on offense and defense.

Otherwise, my thoughts are:

1. GB got the win.
2. Doubs: 8 recs & a TD rec. I think that'll help down the road.
3. Bakh, Nijman and Jenkins is a good problem to have.
4. Quay Walker's presence is going to let Barry do new things.
5. Fingers crossed that Nixon is a player.
6. Fingers crossed on the injuries to Jaire and Myers.

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dobber's picture

September 26, 2022 at 11:27 am

I didn't hear anything formally on Myers. I thought he might just be gassed.

Always appreciate how fast you turn these numbers around for us, TGR. Thanks!

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murf7777's picture

September 26, 2022 at 09:53 am

Dobber, I really liked Barry’s scheme with Quay, he used him quite a bit to rush the middle where Brady is vulnerable. Don’t think he had much pressures but I think it affected Brady.

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Coldworld's picture

September 26, 2022 at 10:34 am

Lewis may not have been fully healthy. If he was I don’t know what their thinking was.

I hope Myers is able to play next week or Nijman is free and able to move to RT, because Hanson is scary at C.

Winfree is ok. But it’s time to stop pretending and have Toure as well as Watson active. We can’t be that slow either long or in short area agility and expect to win. We can’t keep eschewing deeper routes. No point in setting up the pass and then not exploiting it. One deep play ices that game in the second half probably. Even if it fails, it stops them packing the line and the ten yards behind. Doubs needs more targets. He’s just better than any other receiver despite his rawness. in my view Toure helps in that respect too.

As so often, it looks like Rodgers isn’t coached. He does what he does and no one helps him when that doesn’t work.

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LLCHESTY's picture

September 26, 2022 at 12:40 pm

I know they gave up a sack right after Myers left the field but I don't know if it was on Hanson. With Bakhtiari back they need to get some of those guys priority snaps at different positions, mainly Nijman at RT and Tom at C. I know practice time is limited and the starters get the majority of the snaps but on the days Bakhtiari is practicing the could give Jenkins a pseudo rest day and rotate Nijman in. I'm guessing his issue is his kick step and that's something he can work on by himself too.

Kuhn said on the radio broadcast that Myers had cramps. They worked on his lower leg and he was walking around on the sideline.

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CheesyTex's picture

September 27, 2022 at 12:32 pm

Think you are right on, LLC. Bakh himself was reported to have said that rotating with Yosh was a positive, even though he opposed the decision. Sometimes it is good to go against conventional wisdom.

Not surprised Myers would have cramps playing in that level of heat. Fingers crossed.

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LLCHESTY's picture

September 26, 2022 at 12:46 pm

I was thinking about a jumbo package with their issues in short yardage and was wondering if Tom can catch a ball. If you're going to do something different one way to get it to work is do something weird off of it 1st to get the defense thinking next time.

I still think running power in short yardage with Rodgers under center and the back getting a full head of steam would be more effective but showing some exotics and getting LBs to hesitate before moving forward always helps.

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Guam's picture

September 26, 2022 at 07:46 am

I thought Bahk and Nijman played about the same. Both gave up a pressure via an inside move by the Tampa DE but otherwise played fairly well in pass pro and just okay in run blocking. I expect the coaching staff to find playing time for Nijman at both LT and RT as the season progresses. He is just too good to sit for extended numbers of games and it wouldn't hurt to spell both Bahk and Jenkins and preserve their health too.

I was excited when they drafted Wyatt, but he is not making much of an impression to date. As a first round draft choice, I had hoped for more production at this early point in the season.

Last note, a couple of the holding calls on the Packers were ridiculous. Even the broadcast judge (Mike P.) thought they were unnecessary. Over zealous zebras...........

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coolhand's picture

September 26, 2022 at 09:16 am

"Last note, a couple of the holding calls on the Packers were ridiculous. Even the broadcast judge (Mike P.) thought they were unnecessary. Over zealous zebras..........."

And I thought the refs could have called more holding calls on the Bucs O line. They grabbed and were tackling the Packer's pass rushers all game and I think there was only one holding call on Tampa for the game.

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Leatherhead's picture

September 26, 2022 at 09:39 am

AT this point, we still don't know what Bakhtiari's availability is. Can he stand up to a week of practices, a full game, another week of practices, another full game?

I like the platooning idea, because I think it increases the odds that Nijman and/or Bakhtiari will be healthy for the playoffs. If we want Nijman on the field more, we could use him as the third TE in short yardage.

I wouldn't worry about Wyatt yet, Guam. I don't know if you recall, but even Kenny Clark didn't make a huge splash as a rookie. In fact, there were articles his rookie year about how Lowry was making more of a contribution.

I never complain about officiating. Even after the Fail Mary 10 years ago. I think that the guys rushing the punter need to stay under control and not let themselves get pushed into the punter.

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murf7777's picture

September 26, 2022 at 09:55 am

I agree about Wyatt, I would say DL take longer to develop than most positions.

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Leatherhead's picture

September 26, 2022 at 10:07 am

I looked at Clark's rookie numbers......not that impressive. If Wyatt becomes anything near what Clark is, he'll be a formidable addition to the defensive line for the next several years.

A rookie DL is a 22 year old guy who is suddenly competing against grown men who have lived in the weight room for several years . It's not like he's going against some 20 year old future PE teacher. I know that I was quite a bit stronger at 28 than I was at 22.

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LLCHESTY's picture

September 26, 2022 at 12:51 pm

Well except for the fact that Wyatt is already 24 and only 2 and a half years younger than Clark who is in his 7th season and he went to a school that most likely has better weight rooms than some pro teams you might be right.

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Leatherhead's picture

September 26, 2022 at 06:16 pm

Or possibly Wyatt is as big and fast and as good as he's ever going to be and he's never going to be good enough. I don't agree with that at all.

It's not a question of the quality of the weight room, it's about the maturation of human males. We get stronger in our 20s, and that's improved with proper nutrition and physical trainers, like these guys have access to.

I also know, from years of observing, that Dlinemen often improve with age.

My Theory is that Wyatt is going to get better as he gets stronger and more experienced. What's yours?

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LLCHESTY's picture

September 26, 2022 at 09:34 pm

How strong was Clark three years ago when he was 24? Once again you're wrong and can't admit it. He's not 22, he's 24 and unless the Georgia coaches were asleep at the wheel he is plenty strong now.

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Coldworld's picture

September 26, 2022 at 10:37 am

I hate the platoon except as an ultra short term way of getting Bakh up to speed. If Myers can’t go, we need Nijman at RT next week and Jenkins at C. Hanson there immediately looked a nightmare.

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Leatherhead's picture

September 26, 2022 at 11:19 am

So you'd line up Bakhtiari, Runyan, Jenkins, Newman, and Nijman? I think that's our best 5, if they're all healthy.

But. If we start taking injuries, we're going to be playing some musical chairs out there, and it's going to put people like Hanson on the field.

I like Bakhtiari and Nijman at LT
I like Myers and Jenkins at C
I like Jenkins and Tom at RT
I like Runyan and Newman at the guards.

So if Myers can't go, I'd play Jenkins at C and Tom at RT. And I'd keep Bakhtiari and Nijman at LT for another week, until we are more confident that we can depend on Bakhtiari.

I'm sorry you feel that way about platooning on the OL. I mean, we platoon at other spots....WR, RB, TE,...I remember back in the day when we platooned Marco Rivera at RG and that turned out pretty well.

Continuity is real important, but getting field time experience for these youngsters is important, too. Especially since we might need them before this is over. It's September. I don't think we'll be platooning after Thanksgiving.

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LLCHESTY's picture

September 26, 2022 at 12:53 pm

Who did they platoon Rivera with? I don't recall that at all.

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LLCHESTY's picture

September 26, 2022 at 12:56 pm

I agree on platooning O linemen. If it was a good idea teams would do it more. They need to know what the guy next to them likes and does with stunts, etc. The sooner that ends the better.

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LambeauPlain's picture

September 26, 2022 at 02:05 pm

I agree CW...I hope Myers is ok but if not, the next best option is Jenks, not Hanson.

Keep hearing Matt and Steno reciting "we will play the best 5." Hanson is not part of that group.

Based on my meager knowledge, my sense is Bakh, Jenks, Myers, JRJ, and Yosh are the best five with Tom and Newman the next two best.

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wimiller's picture

September 26, 2022 at 09:58 am

I have come to expect third quarter even well into the fourth bad play. that has to be on the coaches. The other team makes adjustments and we seem incapable of responding. Once it seems we get through the scripted plays we sink and do not adjust. this may account for wasted time outs, and AR's annoying habit of waiting to one second is on the clock before snapping. Still this was a win but the Bucs were hurting bad, with their top three wideouts down while we really were only missing one. Watson simply has yet to count for anything positive.

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Leatherhead's picture

September 26, 2022 at 10:16 am

" The other team makes adjustments and we seem incapable of responding. "

Are we winning these games? I think we are. Despite everything. Despite injuries and 'poor coaching'. Yeah, the Bucs had people missing with injuries. So did the Packers. You can only play the team that lines up against you, and you've only got the players that are healthy enough to play.

I'll take it. We're the first team in the NFC North to win a game on the road.

Next week, the Bears go to NY, the Vikings go to New Orleans, and the Loins host the Seahawks. If all the home teams win (Green Bay and Detroit), and the road teams lose (Minnesota and Chicago), then Green Bay will be in first place after 4 weeks, with a 3 game winning streak.

We actually start an odd 3 game home stretch now. Home this week against New England, a "home game" iin London against the Giants, and then we return to Green Bay for a home game against the J-E-T-S.

If we were to win all three games, we'd be 5-1 and on a 5 game win streak as we approach mid-season. That's as good as we could have hoped for, IMO.

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HawkPacker's picture

September 26, 2022 at 07:13 pm

LH, we are not good at adjusting/responding to the other teams adjustments. That continues to be an issue with our coaching. And no, we did not win at MN and we certainly could have and should have made adjustments to coverage on Jefferson at a minimum.

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T7Steve's picture

September 26, 2022 at 10:16 am

TGR, I saw on another site that Hansen gave up a sack as soon as he got in. I'm glad you said Meyers was only cramping. It will be tough but, I think I can swing into Green Bay and play if Meyers gets hurt again. How can we keep Hansen off the field?

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Coldworld's picture

September 26, 2022 at 10:38 am

Certainly looked like it to me. Nijman to RT and Jenkins at C.

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HawkPacker's picture

September 26, 2022 at 07:15 pm

I read some comments in the past few weeks that they tried Nijman at RT without success. To me it sounds doable but based on what I read, apparently not.

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Leatherhead's picture

September 26, 2022 at 06:33 pm

If the goal is keeping Hanson off the field, then IMO that means we need a plan at center. IMO, our best choice for center if Myers can't go is Jenkins, but that would mean we'd need another RT.

Our options at RT would include Tom and several guys who haven't really practiced there at all. Jones and Walker are strictly projects at this point and neither is ready to start at RT for us. The same could be said for Rhyan.

A popular option appears to be putting all our chips on Bakhtiari at LT and moving Nijman to a position he hasn't really spent a lot of time on the right side. And that'll be perfect until Nijman or Bakhtiari gets hurt, and then who are we putting on the field?

This is what we've got. A 315 lb Oline starter isn't going to fall out of the sky. The good news is that this week, it looks like we get to line up Bakhtiari, Runyan, Myers, Newman, and Jenkins. IMO, this is our strongest 5, and we still have guys like Nijman and Tom on the bench.

Those seven guys are our horses now. We'll go as far as they'll carry us. I'm hoping we don't need a big contribution from Hanson, Rhyan, Walker, Mt. Caleb. Our last two seasons have ended with backups on the field in the playoffs, so I'm hoping we have better luck this year.

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PatB's picture

September 26, 2022 at 08:34 pm

What other site said that? The sack was on Newman. Jenkins also let his man free, cutting off the escape route. Hanson did okay against Vea on that play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6ioz5DRzNg?t=7m12s

I'm not making any general statement about Hanson, just that the sack was not his fault.

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PatB's picture

September 26, 2022 at 08:38 pm

The sack is at 7:12 in that video.

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Lphill's picture

September 26, 2022 at 10:38 am

interesting snap count Deguara vs Davis , what's up with that?

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Coldworld's picture

September 26, 2022 at 10:40 am

Davis is supposedly an in-line blocker. Lewis looks like he was on a count.

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Leatherhead's picture

September 26, 2022 at 11:06 am

I think the Packers view Davis as a guy who is a good inline blocker who can also give you some production as a receiver. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the Packers are letting Lewis build up to speed, and his impact is mostly in the run game.

I would say, at this point, our best receiving option at TE is Tonyan, our best blocker on the move is Deguara ( who is also a receiving option). Lewis will get his man blocked. But Davis is the guy that seems to bring a little bit of everything, and that's probably why the coaching staff has been so high on him. He had a tough preseason, and some folks prematurely wanted him gone, but he looked pretty useful yesterday.

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Just as we had an overhaul of our WR unit last offseason, I wouldn't be surprised if we had an overhaul at TE after this season. Lewis is really old...historically old for his position. Tonyan is on a one-year deal. Deguara will be in his contract year next year.

I'm still in favor of stealing Hockenson from the Loins.

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Coldworld's picture

September 26, 2022 at 11:17 am

Tonyan looks to me like a guy coming off an ACL often dies (so dies Jenkins). The mobility and suddenness just isn’t quite there for 3 to 6 months commonly. He’s a help now, I think more so potentially in late season.

Deguara is losing snaps to the 2 back set mostly, not to Davis. Davis was always going to be the other in line guy they’ve wanted. I agree with your take on how they see him. If there is a role for an H back in this O, we aren’t seeing it.

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dobber's picture

September 26, 2022 at 11:31 am

"Tonyan looks to me like a guy coming off an ACL often dies (so dies Jenkins). "

Freudian slips...

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Leatherhead's picture

September 26, 2022 at 11:46 am

Well, given that we're scoring points about as often as my brother-in-law picks up the dinner check, I'd say there must be some role for somebody to do something.

The first week, we had line issues and rust. The second week,our line got stronger and we did a little better. Now last week, our line got stronger again but we spent most of the game stuck in the mud. I'm going to give some credit to Tampa Bay, because they're the stingiest defense in the NFC at this point. We were missing some WRs, but when Doubs is catching 8 passes, I don't think you can say our poor offense was because Watson and Watkins weren't available.

You only get to have 5 skill position players on the field at a time.
Jones, Dillon, Lazard, Doubs, Tonyan. I don't like playing Dillon and Jones at the same time so it'd be nice to have another weapon we could put on the field, especially at WR. Right now, it's Cobb, until Watson/Watkins are back.

I like the 3 WR package because I think it forces the defense to play more nickel, which takes a run defender out of the box. Counting our TE, we're six blockers against six run defenders and I think that helps our run game, especially when they're getting good downfield blocking.

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I do want to point out that one of the worst passing teams I've seen in 50 years... the Chicago Bears....are also 2-1. I can't imagine the thinking that says "let's put this QB on the field before he's ready and see if he can live long enough to get better". Fields is a super athlete, and he could be a pretty good QB, IMO. But not in the city where QBs go to die. This guy will be another Trubisky. Another Rex Grossman. The best QB this franchise has had in the last 30 years is Jay Cutler. Let that baby soak in.

The POINT being that there are ways to win games that don't involve a lot of splashy downfield passes. We're going to have to do that for a while.

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T7Steve's picture

September 26, 2022 at 12:15 pm

Bill B is next on the list. He likes to take the best thing away and try to live with the rest. I think I'd have a hard time figuring our best asset besides the obvious being AR. Do you think he'll try to load the box and stop the run?

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Leatherhead's picture

September 26, 2022 at 02:14 pm

I think he'll do everything he can to minimize mistakes and hope that he gets a chance to capitalize on ours. That's his MO. His reality is that they've been turning it over like Brett Favre on a meth bender. 8 turnovers in 3 games. That would be 40 in 15 games, eclipsing Favre's total of 36 in 2005. I don't expect that to happen, but I hope they don't clear that up this week.

They've played some good teams, and they've moved the ball OK, but you can't turn it over 2 or 3 times and expect to beat a good team on the road.

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T7Steve's picture

September 26, 2022 at 02:27 pm

Maybe we can ask him nicely to not adjust anything if it's not working? His teams are alway good on special teams too. Should be a good test to see where our STs are.

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PatrickGB's picture

September 26, 2022 at 05:39 pm

My favorite line from this article. “ The Packers held Fournette to 35 yards on 12 carries, a 2.9-yard average. “

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Leatherhead's picture

September 26, 2022 at 06:40 pm

At the end of the season, we might look back and see this was the two best defenses in the NFC on the field. I didn't really realize how brutally bad it was until the Bucs kicked a field goal to make it 3-0 and I said to the wife...."that's the last time they score until near the end of the game". Then to make it worse, after we went up 14-3 early in the second, it was like "we're done scoring".

Really bad. Like , 'watching soccer' bad. I like good defense, but that doesn't mean I like bad offense, and we saw both this weekend. The offenses weren't what you might expect considering Rodgers and Brady, but both of these are pretty good defenses, too.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

September 27, 2022 at 03:06 am

Per Zach Kruse, PFF grades were Cobb (81), Doubs (74), AR (70), Lazard (69) and Tyler Davis (68). As a note, Bakh came in at 64, including 78.7 pass blocking with a below average run blocking grade to drag it down to 64.

The bottom five on offense were Runyan (46), Nijman (53), Dillon (54), Winfree (54), Deguara (54). Runyan seems to be having a sophomore slump in his third year.

Clark (87), Stokes (76), Douglas (75), Lowry (71), Gary (67.5). Bottom were Walker(36), Garvin (46), Savage (52), Smith (55.7) and Nixon (55.8). Walker had the worst run defense grade. We can see the talent. Not so sure if about this grade. Nixon allowed 8 completions on 9 targets (but the 9th was important!), had two stops and a fine tackling grade.

TB, a 3-4 team, played 2.6 true defensive linemen (GB was at 2.20), 2 ILBs/play (I'd play White and Lavonte David every play too), 1.82 OLBs/play, and 4.58 DBs per play.

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