Packers Select WR Jayden Reed in 2023 NFL Draft - Round 2

Jayden Reed, WR, Michigan State  

Jayden Reed, WR, Michigan State

 

MEASURABLES/PRO DAY:

 5'11", 187lbs, 4.45 40 yd, 33.5" vertical, 10'1" Broad, 4.29 20-yd

CAREER NOTES:

Jayden Reed is the second Packers' draft pick this year to come from Illinois. The former Naperville Central star started his college career at Western Michigan before transferring to Michigan State in 2019 and sitting out a season. He started for the team for three years, amassing 407 yards and 3 TDs in 2020, 1,026 yards and 10 TDs in 2021, and 636 yards and 5 TDs in 2022. He also starred as a returner, earning honorable mention for All-Big Ten in 2022 and third team in 2021. 

NFL SCOUTING REPORT:

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jayden-reed/32005245-4526-3142-e96f-a871c0...

FIT WITH THE PACKERS:

Reed will likely man the slot for the Packers. He is an undersized shifty speedster. Reed also returned kicks and even ran the ball at Michigan State, look for Coach LaFleur to get creative using him in the backfield, on jet motion, and long crossing routes from the slot. LaFleur has talked about the receiver corps as a basketball team--you need guys of different sizes with different abilities. Reed completes the basketball team. Christian Watson is your huge vertical threat, Romeo Doubs is your Z, Luke Musgrave is your move-around Allen Lazard replacement, and Reed is the shifty receiver who can take it to the house from anywhere.    

COMMENTARY: 

Brian Gutekunst executed a few rare trade downs prior to taking Reed with the 50th pick. The trades netted the Packers two additional fifth-round picks but also caused them to miss out on Brian Branch and Keeanu Benton, two very popular players with Packers fans. Given the team's history with drafting receivers in the second round, it's likely that Reed will be a plus NFL player, but it's hard not to think about Ted Thompson trading down to take Kevin King when TJ Watt was on the board. 

Reed certainly has the potential to make us forget about Brian Branch and Keeanu Benton. His highlight reel is one of the best in the class. He generates separation with ease and can run away from just about everyone. He wasn't mocked to Green Bay often because of his slight size (almost 10 pounds lighter than any receiver taken since Ted Thompson took over) and likely need to move around the formation and run routes out of the slot in the NFL.  

EXCERPT FROM CHTV DRAFT GUIDE

Jayden Reed combines the art of route running with arrogant speed and acceleration. His speed is tough to handle. If he gains an inch vertically, it's over. If he gains any bit of leverage on crossers, he isn't getting caught.   

VIDEO:

 

 

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Comments (181)

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Packer_Fan's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:34 pm

Fairly predictable round 2. Gute fills needs, TE and WR, and trades down to get another 5th round and 6th round picks. Look for a IDL for the third round. Too bad Benton from Wisconsin is not available.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:06 pm

We would have been w/out the trade down.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

April 29, 2023 at 12:17 pm

I just watched Reed's highlight reel. This man is fast and TOUGH! More YAC than Muskgrave. Apparently ran a 4.37 40 which is a big difference from his combine time. I've been wanting to see Winfree moved up from the PS but Reed might make that a thing of the past?

Great pick and welcome to Green Bay :)

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Bear's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:37 pm

Jayden Reed is a smaller, compact, lightning-quick route-runner who shifts between gears awesomely to get open. He has innate awareness to morph into a RB after the catch. His releases off the line are nasty. He has lateral juice and explosiveness. He was held back in 2022 by lesser talent around him. For a smaller WR with a smaller catch radius, he tracks the football awesomely and shined in contested-catch scenarios. He has some drops on film but not a major concern. He's a fun, sleeper prospect with a style for today's game. Everything he does is effortless on the field.

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Swisch's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:54 pm

You've got me excited, Bear, when you speak of a "lightning-quick route-runner" whose "releases off the line are nasty."
So, it seems, the Packers went for a different type of receiver who is smaller but more dynamic, even electric.
Sounds like a good idea to me in general, sounds like a good pick in particular.

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Swisch's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:08 pm

Looking at his highlights, seems like a player, a competitor.
Quick and shifty, nice and nifty.
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From Naperville Central, one of the conference foes of my high school, Wheaton Central.
I retired after my freshman year of football as a tight end with good hands but rather slow feet.
Jayden Reed is the kind of receiver I wanted to be.

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greengold's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:40 pm

I swear, Reed’s moves to gain separation at los reminiscent of Davante.

There’s every goddam motherfucking Jet sweep concept LaFleur could possibly dream up too!

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Leatherhead's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:44 pm

Midget. I can't believe we took this guy.

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Bitternotsour's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:48 pm

you must have hated Randall Cobb

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Leatherhead's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:22 pm

Cobb is 15 lbs heavier than this guy, and built like an RB. Reed is under 185.

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Coldworld's picture

April 28, 2023 at 11:40 pm

Just reading the Packers VP of Player Personnel Jon-Eric Sullivan, the Packers have Reed timed at 4.37, which is significantly faster than his reported times. If so, he starts to make more sense to me. Some interesting scout comments here https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/news/scouting-opinions-of-packers-second-...

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gkarl's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:51 pm

you'll like him as a receiver but you also get a very dangerous punt returner. why would we need a guy like him. go green.

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Untylu1968's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:54 pm

5'11" = midget? GTFO! Never has there been a successful receiver under 6'? EVER!

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Leatherhead's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:25 pm

Ok……who were the best receivers in the NFL last year that were under 185 lbs?

I’ll start: Tyreek Hill. Who else?

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nagawicka's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:55 pm

Phil Epps was only 5'10" so
'forced to coach'

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 28, 2023 at 09:59 pm

Jaylen Waddle, Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave, just to name a few.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:08 pm

Tillman, Rice... Now they are an AIr Raid offense?

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 28, 2023 at 10:00 pm

Dude they're not an air raid offense. Mike Leach is dead. Let it go.

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DoubleJ's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:18 pm

He is taller than Tyreek Hill. What is your derogatory word for someone even shorter?

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Leatherhead's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:42 pm

Yeah, Hill is a midget for sure. Sometimes, if they’re like Darren Sproles I sometimes call them “sawed off”, but I’ve always wanted a RB like him. WRs are different ….he’s a small WR at under 6’ and 185. Hill is the only guy that I can think of off the top of my head.

Since the language police are here, I have a story. About 20 years ago, I was forced to coach 7th grade basketball. One particularly annoying kid was really short, especially for basketball, and I told him so. The next day, I’m in the Principals office getting chewed out. Apparently, since I wasn’t a pediatrician , I had no standing to assert to assert anybody was short. Or tall, for that matter.

I can’t make up stuff like this.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 28, 2023 at 11:09 pm

Tell Muggsy Bogues.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:57 pm

All this talk about his speed, but his 40 is 4.45?

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 28, 2023 at 10:56 pm

GB timed him at 4.37

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Rebecca's picture

April 29, 2023 at 08:09 am

Accurate reporting.

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Irish_Cheesehead's picture

April 29, 2023 at 08:38 am

Similar to Tyreek Hill

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Bure9620's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:48 pm

He has GREAT hands. Not a combine hero or physical specimen. He will be a possession guy. He will be a good WR3 (depending on if they add a Vet FA).

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 28, 2023 at 11:11 pm

Open field creator. Get him in space.

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Starrbrite's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:50 pm

I loved the Van Ness and Musgrave picks.
I wanted Branch or Benton next, but selected what imo is a 4th rndr in Reed.
I did not like the trade.
Go Packers!!!

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murf7777's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:12 pm

I agree, and I hope I’m wrong.

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DoubleJ's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:20 pm

Bob McGinn's top 100 has Reed as WR12. That means he would not be available in R4.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 28, 2023 at 10:01 pm

I like Mcginn, but his draft takes arent great. He crapped all over Watson and Doubs last year too.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:41 pm

We all do our research & read all the internet BS & mock drafts. None of us know shit when it comes to who is the best pick for the Packers. I too was blind-sided by Reed. I mean I was completely blind-sided! However, Gutey has a plan and knows so much more than the rest of us. Let's give the guy a chance & see what Gutey has to say. In the brief watching of his videos he definitely is talented. I am trying to keep an open mind encourage all of us to do the same.

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Starrbrite's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:44 pm

Can’t disagree Knock.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

April 29, 2023 at 12:21 pm

His highlight reel looks great though! YAC, fast, and TOUGH! Apparently he was timed at a 4.37 40, a big step up from the combine.

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stockholder's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:52 pm

Reed was a 5th rd. Projection.
And Who does KC take at 55.
Rashee Rice.

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Oppy's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:58 pm

Projection by who? The draftnik circle-jerk?

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stockholder's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:04 pm

Obviously my sources are better than Gutes.
And you can't have them.

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Oppy's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:06 pm

This would be hilarious if you didn't actually believe it.

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DoubleJ's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:21 pm

He was a top 100 on Bob McGinn's board. Considering he has averaged 86/100 correct players going in the top 100 since 2009 I will trust him more than you.

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stockholder's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:40 pm

When you watch his film.
It's against lesser competition.
His stats don't work for me.
He was drafted because he was a Punt Returner.
He wasn't a value Pick.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 28, 2023 at 11:16 pm

Big Ten Conference would not be lesser competition.

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stockholder's picture

April 28, 2023 at 11:40 pm

No matter how you add it up.
The Reed pick Looks like a Amari Rodgers again.
Shorter than what they have drafted.
MLF will be forced to play him
The Loss of getting the upper rated player.
Reaching outside the top 50.
And we got Nothing- IMO For Rodgers.
This draft was to weak to trade back.

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Coldworld's picture

April 29, 2023 at 11:39 am

It did not make sense to me. Then I read Jon-Eric Sullivan’s comments—he’s the head of college scouting in effect, and pretty astute. He described a guy who was significantly faster and more agile than the combine suggests, going as far to state that the Packers timed his 40 at 4.37. Clearly the Packers see a different prospect than most of us did and the combine metric suggest.

If the scouts are right, that’s a first round caliber athlete and superior scouting. That’s certainly open to doubt, but it’s clearly their assessment. If they are right, the pick could be a true steal. If they are wrong, it’s a dubious one, as you suggest.

Very unusual to see a team’s head of scouting come out and make such specific claims that differ from the chatterati’s perceptions. I will give them the benefit of the doubt in this one till proved otherwise, but I understand why they took the player they clearly believe him to be.

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stockholder's picture

April 29, 2023 at 07:16 am

The games in between big 10

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Todd's picture

April 29, 2023 at 05:22 am

“When you watch his film.” LOL… stockholder, the NFL scout.

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Oppy's picture

April 29, 2023 at 02:37 am

Just to keep everything on the level, Stockholder, you predicted Rashee Rice was going at #78.

So, obviously, "your sources" don't know what they're talking about.. If the Packers had picked Rashee Rice 22 spots ahead of your prediction (#78), you'd be yelling that Gute wasted value and doesn't know what he's doing, because he could have traded back and "still got him" at #78. KC takes him 22 slots before your prediction, and you use it as some sort of proof your "sources" (AKA websites or articles compiled by media writers and other draftnik hobbyists) have greater validity than the Packers scouting deptartment.

This is exactly the kind of stuff I've been talking about with the double-talk draftnik circle jerk. It's hilarious to me. Some of you guys are world-beaters in the draft game, because you play both sides at all times. It's hard to fail when you're never wrong. lol.

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stockholder's picture

April 29, 2023 at 06:37 am

My sources said 60-75.
Even Jersey Al had him at 75.
They were close. But it didn't surprise me.
Because I know he'll be great for KC.
And before the senior -Bowl.
The prediction was late rd. 1 early 2.

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Oppy's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:05 pm

Let me be more specific -

How many drafts do we have to watch where various players either slide or rise wildly from where they were predicted to be taken... and either wildly under or over perform comparative to what the draft complex believes they will perform- before some people start to understand that it's all a huge crap shoot?

You have to let these guys play and see what really IS.

For every Tony Mandarich there's a Donald Driver. Projecting and drafting talent has always been at least as much an art as it is a science.

All this instant draft pick analysis is just plain silly.

Some people in this world won't care if a pick turns out to be a revelation for his prospective team- they'll complain he was over drafted. It's just outright ridiculous. It's always a knock against the team for over-drafting, as opposed to a nod to the team for getting it right.

Let the kid play and then we can start hemming and hawing over how poor the pick was.

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stockholder's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:12 pm

I can't help you.

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LeotisHarris's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:32 pm

Is that you, Winston?

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croatpackfan's picture

April 29, 2023 at 03:52 am

"I can't help you."

Neither we can help you, stockholder. As I see there is nothing you like about GB. I wonder if you are one of those persons who needs to feel miserable in every aspect of your life, so you are always "smarter", more informed, the best scout, the best GM ever, the best HC, OC and DC. I will not go in ST coordinator. You should be contacted and give the largest salary to be somowhere any of those position.

Additional pleasure looking what are Packers doing is that you'll be more miserable than usual. You are always anti for any move Packers do. You know better, right?

I just can not understand how nobody ever did not find out that you are genius. It is mind boggling.

Enjoy your missery.

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Coldworld's picture

April 29, 2023 at 11:54 am

SH likes his picks and his favorites until he moves on from them. Until he finds a replacement they are unimpeachable paragons and only he sees it. After, he cuts them dead. Only the greats who we could have had get a mention. Some he actually lobbied for at the time, to be fair.

It has always been thus. It’s normally less extreme, but he’s extremely sore about the end of Rodgers, just as he was at Favre’s departure, when TT was his demon. That lasted up to about 2010. Everything gets seen through that lens. He is very loyal to and personally invested in those he champions. Change is a significant challenge.

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Bitternotsour's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:25 pm

it takes a special type of conceit to say a pick was too soon, or wasted, or otherwise mistaken. look at the comments following the Gary pick. ridiculous.

here's the deal. gutekunst got the job because of his stellar record of evaluating talent. metrics.

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leche's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:39 pm

"Evaluating talent metrics"...

Looking at RAS (and whatever other athleticism scores) and just drafting those guys. So stellar

(I obviously don't like him or think he's very good at his job, but 98% of that is the Love pick)

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greengold's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:52 pm

Add to that ALL THE INFO millions of $$$ can buy, that they know and no one else. Definitely not us fans.

Teams do spend huge cash on deep dive research and private info sourcing.

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leche's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:33 pm

This is asking to hindsight rather than evaluate what's expected at the time the decision was made

If you severely overdraft a guy (say 2 rounds) and they turn out to be great, you cost yourself a ton of EV that could have been better used drafting another better player earlier and still picking up that same guy later.

When a player is expected to go is a huge part of "value"

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Bitternotsour's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:37 pm

who says that a guy was overdrafted? overdrafted by what standard, what guys on TV say?

i live in a world of what is. Musgrave is a round two tight end. Van Ness is a round one, pick 13 edge rusher.

let go of your assumptions and false expectations and accept what is, you'll enjoy your life a lot more.

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leche's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:40 pm

I'm not saying anyone is anything in particular. Just that drafting a guy without considering expected draft position is incurring a huge opportunity cost and costing yourself value

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Bitternotsour's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:44 pm

again. expected by whom. you? a tv panel?

here's a pro tip. accept what you don't know as something you don't know. where someone is expected to be drafted can only be determined by where they are drafted.

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leche's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:48 pm

According to this logic, there is no such thing as a "reach" in the draft. That's objectively false. There is absolutely an expected draft range for every player and some teams understand that and others ignore it

The teams that ignore it tend to do poorer in the long run because they cost themselves draft value

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Bitternotsour's picture

April 28, 2023 at 09:18 pm

yes. that's correct. there is no such thing as a reach in the draft. there is only the draft and where the player was selected. that and the reliance on and acceptance of the words of television talking heads, none of whom have any particular insight of what is really going on.

you want to believe that fiction, please proceed.

i'm just saying that everything you think you know, is wrong.

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leche's picture

April 28, 2023 at 09:24 pm

This is honestly an absolutely ridiculous take. Of course there's such a thing as a "reach", and an expected value/outcome. I'm not defending the talking heads, they don't matter (even though they have the same group of guys going in the same-ish range so clearly they get it).

If we drafted the guy we're going to draft in the 6th round tomorrow, tonight, we would have cost ourselves a ton of draft value and lost the guy we drafted instead. That's undeniable. But according to you that wouldn't have been a "reach" since we did it. Ridiculous!

Everything I know is based on understanding that expected value and probability exist. And using them to drive draft value is objectively correct, because math

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Bitternotsour's picture

April 28, 2023 at 09:54 pm

honestly. unless you work in a front office of an NFL team you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

expected values need to be informed by something. you don't have any actual knowledge.

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leche's picture

April 29, 2023 at 09:50 am

Of course, but that expected value still exists. Just because some team did a thing, doesn't mean they evaluated their expected value correctly (or even at all). You're talking out of both sides of your mouth trying to argue that what happened was correct because it's what they did. But these decision makers constantly get shit wrong so clearly they aren't correct.

They're not above reproach. Their decisions aren't just inherently good or correct simply because they made them. And everyone else (myself included) is absolutely in the right to have our own opinions and evaluations of those decisions.

Is all you want is everyone "Rah Rahhing" the thing we did without questions or criticism? Because that's fucking boring and you'll have no one to talk to about anything

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leche's picture

April 28, 2023 at 09:54 pm

Evidence this is real: The Arizona Cardinals yesterday.

Traded down from 3 to 12, then back up from 12 to 6 to draft Paris Johnson. All in all they gave up a 4th and 5th round picks to move back 3 spots to get their guy, and landed a 3rd round pick, a 1st rounder next year and a 3rd rounder next year.

They could have easily just stayed at #3 and drafted him anyway. But they understood expected draft position/value and they maximized their own value by recognizing the guy they wanted could be had later.

This is what smart teams do... Not that the Cardinals have a history of being a smart team, but this was really f*cking smart

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croatpackfan's picture

April 29, 2023 at 03:59 am

Yea, as Washington pick. Shit there is no good GM in todays NFL. Nor good scouting department. Nobody of them did NOT draft Washington in the first round. How dare they. He will be hugely underdrafted.

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Rebecca's picture

April 29, 2023 at 08:39 am

Absolutely and objectively! How do you know so much and how can you be so sure of yourself? People are asking subjectively. A “reach” is merely a subjective observation. Comparing one person’s hope to another person’s wishes is not objective. Projecting is not objective. End of story. Amen.

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Oppy's picture

April 29, 2023 at 03:44 am

The point here is, every team has their own "expected draft range" for a given player based on the assessment they make with the data they have collected, and how they weight the various criteria they have assessed.

The point here is also that the information that is collectively shared around media and between fans is most assuredly not nearly as detailed, informed or nuanced at the data that is collected by the NFL teams which have entire departments who do nothing but scout collegiate talent year around. Those NFL teams hire the best scouts and personnel people available. There boards are pure football. If the draft data that was being generated by media and shared amongst draftniks was accurate, teams wouldn't spend tens of millions of dollars on college scouting and war room preparation. They'd just buy "Stimey's Sports Almanac's Guide to the Draft" and let 'er rip.

No offense to Stimey's. It's a nice publication, I'm sure, but it's not what the professional scouting departments across the NFL are consulting to decide who's the best pick when they're on deck.

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Coldworld's picture

April 29, 2023 at 12:01 pm

Leche, there’s no such thing as a reach unless it turns out to be a mistake. That takes about 3 years to figure out. There is no platonic perfect draft board. There’s no celestially correct ranking. The only judge worth a candle is hindsight.

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leche's picture

April 29, 2023 at 12:13 pm

This is just unequivocally incorrect. This basically says "Opportunity cost doesn't exist", which is incredibly absurd. Just because we can't measure that opportunity cost or that assessment of value doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The smart teams know it exists and they use it to their benefit.

And if you make whatever decision you want because you want to and wait to see how it turns you, you're going to end up with outcomes you don't like a lot more than someone who uses this value assessment to their advantage

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greengold's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:58 pm

leche, I don’t disagree. My nerves fried rn thinking of what Gutekunst just did in drafting injured players. I just cringe with that shit.

I believe we can still cringe at that while waiting fairly to see how it plays out.

Gutekunst is either killing the draft or his career right here.

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Coldworld's picture

April 29, 2023 at 12:04 pm

That’s the life of a GM. Gambling on informed guesswork is a fools game, which is why they get paid big bucks to do so.

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greengold's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:49 pm

Oppy, goddammit if this isn’t one of your very best posts, ever!!’

Hats off to you, man!!!

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:11 pm

Strike three, batter OUT...

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stockholder's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:14 pm

I would never trade with the enemy.
It Looks Fixed!

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Coldworld's picture

April 29, 2023 at 12:07 pm

Trading with the enemy is one way to beat them, if you get it right.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:42 pm

5th round based on what/where? We do not have the same resources Gutey has.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 28, 2023 at 10:04 pm

According to whom? Did anyone working with an actual NFL team tell you this? Or did you read it on the interwebs and treat it like gospel?

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Irish_Cheesehead's picture

April 29, 2023 at 08:39 am

Rice has character issues. No thanks.

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PhantomII's picture

April 29, 2023 at 01:27 pm

He's a turn key #2 WR day 1.

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NoNonsense's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:53 pm

Dude is a straight baller, love this pick especially since they traded down twice and picked up some extra picks along the way. Admittedly wasn't on my radar this draft season, didn't have the time I usually do to study this draft class. I would have been happy with Hyatt or Rice too but this guy looks pretty dynamic on the field.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:43 pm

In agreement all the way NoNonsense. Surprise & no insight on the guy but he looks very good. A change of pace from what we currently have. Wondering how they plan on utilizing Reed & Musgrave. Would think Musgrave would play the big/power slot WR but one has to believe that is where Reed would likely play.

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PackfanNY's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:56 pm

I am happy we are looking for some speed guys. People complained and now you got a TE and a WR with “play making” ability. People still complain. LOL.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 28, 2023 at 10:06 pm

Theres 3 things guaranteed in life: Death, taxes, and draft weekend temper tantrums from Packer fans

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 28, 2023 at 11:04 pm

Probably ALL NFL fans.

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NitschkeFan's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:58 pm

I don't know anything but what others who have scouted college kids, but The Athletic had Jayden Reed ranked as #80 and the so called "Consensus Board" had him at #89. So the Packers taking him at #50 seems like a head scratcher.

For comparison, The Athletic had Lukas Van Ness #10 (Pack got him at 13) and Musgrave was #29 (Pack gets him at 42).

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stockholder's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:17 pm

If Washington wasn't the Target.
Branch should have been.
And then we gave him to the Lions.
When a guy from the first rd drops.
You take him unless he's damaged.

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DoubleJ's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:24 pm

Obviously the Packers were not high on Branch. I totally understand that as he isn't overly athletic and that will be exposed in the NFL.

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Oppy's picture

April 29, 2023 at 03:49 am

I guess every NFL team really shit the bed on Will Levis.

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 28, 2023 at 11:05 pm

It means they had him rated much higher.

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Rebelgb's picture

April 29, 2023 at 07:56 am

Branch is one of the few players I spent time looking at. Even watched and listened to a few of his interviews.

My consensus on him was he just want a good fit for GB. To be honest im not sure how good he is going to be anywhere (with any team). He isnt overly physically gifted and he doesnt have great speed or quickness. In his interviews he touts himself as being "versatile" and that being so is what separates him from the other DB's in the draft. But really what it means is he is good at most of it, not great at any of it. Really the "good" is even a stretch.

The Packers did good to avoid Branch as far as im concerned.

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Cubbygold's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:01 pm

Love this pick, day 1 impact.

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gkarl's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:02 pm

These trades back for extra fifth and sixth picks are going to allow us to move up in third or fourth round and still get a kicker.

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DoubleJ's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:25 pm

Idk maybe we will just draft the kicker in R6 instead.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 28, 2023 at 10:06 pm

49ers just snagged Moody.

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13TimeChamps's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:03 pm

In a draft that we could have had Darnell Washington at TE and Tillman/Rice at WR, we chose Musgrave and Reed. It'll be interesting watching their respective career trajectories. Such is the uncertainties of the NFL draft.

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DoubleJ's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:26 pm

Well we are now in R3 and Washington and Hyatt/Tillman have yet to be drafted. I think the NFL evaluators know more than you.

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leche's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:34 pm

Those guys get A LOT wrong. They're far from infallible or above reproach

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Bitternotsour's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:39 pm

whereas TV talent evaluators have it dialed. got it.

put your trust in a talking haircut if you will. i'll go with the pros.

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leche's picture

April 28, 2023 at 09:11 pm

Oh god no... Just the pros themselves have some pretty bad track records.

Hell, Gute's record isn't particularly great! Josh Jackson, Oren Burkes, J'Mon Moore, Jace Sternberger, Amari Rodgers

And I limited myself to just 4 rounds and I didn't even include last year...

And I could EASILY include Jordan Love (who did nothing for 3 years and cost us TONS of EV when we were good), Rashan Gary (did nothing for 2 years), Savage (basically did the opposite), Stokes.

You keep trusting these "pros". Let me know when we get where we're trying to :)

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 28, 2023 at 11:08 pm

You could do that with any team’s GM.

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leche's picture

April 29, 2023 at 11:09 am

Yeah. That's the point.

They, the "professionals", are collectively not very good at this. So holding them to some kind of standard that's above being questioned is absurd

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Oppy's picture

April 29, 2023 at 03:53 am

One last dot to connect...

Nothing is a sure thing when it comes to talent evaluation.

As you've said- even the pros have a hard time doing it.

YET.... you insist on using media/hobbyist big boards to determine if a player was a reach or not, to blast or laud the pick before they've even stepped foot on the team's practice field.

Connect the dots.. you're right there.

These guys gotta play before anyone knows anything about if a pick was good, bad, or ugly.

Draft day grades are silly.

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leche's picture

April 29, 2023 at 11:11 am

"YET.... you insist on using media/hobbyist big boards to determine if a player was a reach or not"

I'm not actually calling any pick in particular out, I'm simply acknowledging that "reaches" absolutely exist. Opportunity cost exists. Expected value exists.

"to blast or laud the pick before they've even stepped foot on the team's practice field"

This is what expected value is. You evaluate a decision at the time it's made with the information available. If all you're doing is waiting to look back, you're just relying on the power of hindsight. And that's not actually doing any assessment correctly

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croatpackfan's picture

April 29, 2023 at 04:13 am

So, you mention Jordan Love. It is interesting take that Jordan Love is predicted 1st round pick (4th some even 3rd of available QBs 2020) by "media draftniks" you are calling on when gives your assessment of the Packers draft, but when Packers draft him in the 1st round, you spit on yourself and on Packers.

That shows me that you are just another one "I like to be miserable" guys who will never be happy.

Enjoy your miserable life. Than you!

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leche's picture

April 29, 2023 at 11:17 am

Oh, the Love pick was horrible given the situation. A 13 win team that just went to the NFC Championship game and has a Hall of Fame QB under contract for 4 years should be prioritizing winning Super Bowls in that 4 year window, not prioritizing what happens after that window.

It prioritized a vision that I just can't possibly comprehend being correct or even acceptable and it cost us a ton of Super Bowl EV because our most valuable asset to add to a good team did nothing to help the team win.

In a different situation, the Love pick is great. But in that specific situation, it just didn't make any sense.

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 28, 2023 at 11:06 pm

“Talking haircut”; love it!!

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13TimeChamps's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:36 pm

I never said I knew more. I never said GB should have selected either of them. I simply stated these were players that were projected to go higher than the ones GB selected and it will be interesting to see their respective career trajectories.

Reading comprehension is actually a thing.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:45 pm

Yes, it will be interesting! Let's see how the media evaluates our draft....I'm sure not all that good, but doesn't mean a lot.

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Bitternotsour's picture

April 28, 2023 at 09:13 pm

media grades of a draft are irrelevant.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 28, 2023 at 10:07 pm

They chose speed over muscle.

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ko40489's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:04 pm

Brian Branch was projected as a first round pick. He was available at 45. GB has needs at safety. I can't figure out why Gutey traded down instead of taking him. What do you really get with an extra 5th and 6th round pick--usually guys who are gone after a few years. And instead he takes receiver who was projected as a third rounder. I think the first 2 picks are okay, but this one makes no sense at all.

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DoubleJ's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:28 pm

Obviously Gute wasn't high on Branch and I can see why. He isn't very athletic and that will be exposed in the NFL.

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stockholder's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:43 pm

Or he'll Kill Love
And then Gutey gets the #1 over-all pick
after he fires MLF

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:46 pm

I'm guessing those extra late round picks we are going to see TE's (Sims, Fordham, Whyle), and some big bodies in OT, OG, and DL.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 28, 2023 at 09:08 pm

With the great selection of Tucker Kraft I still believe they will pick one of Fordham, Whyle, or Sims in the 7th round for that 3rd TE.

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nagawicka's picture

April 28, 2023 at 09:09 pm

Fully expect us to take three TEs

Also, right on! re the OT & DT -- we are going to pay for not grabbing Darnell Wright before the stinking Bears

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Wilment's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:54 pm

BG is trading down for more picks because the packers have zilch at the moment for cap space, 12 million before signing the draftees. Theres no money for any free agents, so whoever they draft is really going to need to play, not just push an existing rostered player

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 28, 2023 at 10:09 pm

Obviously he doesnt see safety as a huge need like some fans do. They got Tarvarius Moore in free agency and still have Savage and Ford.

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Rebelgb's picture

April 29, 2023 at 07:57 am

Branch is one of the few players I spent time looking at. Even watched and listened to a few of his interviews.

My consensus on him was he just want a good fit for GB. To be honest im not sure how good he is going to be anywhere (with any team). He isnt overly physically gifted and he doesnt have great speed or quickness. In his interviews he touts himself as being "versatile" and that being so is what separates him from the other DB's in the draft. But really what it means is he is good at most of it, not great at any of it. Really the "good" is even a stretch.

Honestly the last thing the Packers need on defense is another "tweener".

The Packers did good to avoid Branch as far as im concerned.

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ko40489's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:04 pm

Brian Branch was projected as a first round pick. He was available at 45. GB has needs at safety. I can't figure out why Gutey traded down instead of taking him. What do you really get with an extra 5th and 6th round pick--usually guys who are gone after a few years. And instead he takes receiver who was projected as a third rounder. I think the first 2 picks are okay, but this one makes no sense at all.

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murf7777's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:07 pm

I can only think that there is something about branch that most of the other teams also passed on him.

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PackfanNY's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:18 pm

I had seen some reports that Branch was a product of the system and that some teams compared him to Haha Clinton Dix. Talk about irony. Packers appear to be one of those teams since they took a hard pass. Teams scout and value players differently.

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Rebelgb's picture

April 29, 2023 at 07:59 am

Branch is one of the few players I spent time looking at. Even watched and listened to a few of his interviews.

My consensus on him was he just want a good fit for GB. To be honest im not sure how good he is going to be anywhere (with any team). He isnt overly physically gifted and he doesnt have great speed or quickness. In his interviews he touts himself as being "versatile" and that being so is what separates him from the other DB's in the draft. But really what it means is he is good at most of it, not great at any of it. Really the "good" is even a stretch.

The last thing the Packers needed was another "tweener" on defense.

The Packers did good to avoid Branch as far as im concerned.

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stockholder's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:45 pm

Jersey Al Liked him.
Let him explain it to you.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 28, 2023 at 10:10 pm

Theres nothing to figure out. He's the gm and didnt pick a safety. Moving on....

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murf7777's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:06 pm

Well our asst coach has to be happy with this players stellar return game. We are going to be the 1st in ST’s. A consensus 89, I sure hope all the scouting services are wrong.

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canadapacker's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:24 pm

I have been saying this for years - I would like to see all these "GREAT" draft prognosticators - put their picks up against what actually happened after the draft. Now I would also like to see these guys and their prognosticators put their selections pre -draft up against the actual picks and rank what the success was by each team. And they can set up and evaluation process by which - what these GREAT guys have had the biggest success if they were picked according to them versus the actual - Then we might know who to listen too rather than Mel Kiper or some computer """Brendan Donahue, the #1 most accurate mock drafter over the past five NFL seasons according to The Huddle Report, gives you his 2023 NFL Mock Draft — making predictions for every team and every pick in the first round."""""

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nagawicka's picture

April 28, 2023 at 09:11 pm

That'd make a good fantasy side-bet -- track our mocks or say a half-dozen preferred draft picks for the following three 3 years. See whose guys perform long-haul

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 28, 2023 at 10:10 pm

Wonderful idea. Lets see how all these "experts" do.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:26 pm

As usual, Gute is picking the guys I like least. Oh well. I always assume the GM and scouts know WAY more than I do!

Jayden Reed wasn't a favorite of mine, but he reminds me a lot of Donald Driver.

It still bothers me that Musgrave folds like wet tissue paper every time someone touches him for a "tackle." Hopefully he'll still get open and make catches and not get reinjured.

There sure are some surprising drops still out there: Washington, Ringo, Hyatt, Adebawore, Dawand Jones, Achane.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:48 pm

PEO,
With the Reed pick it confuses me on how they plan on using Musgrave. He isn't a TE but more that big/power Slot WR. Seems like these two might play the same spot. Am I missing something?

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 28, 2023 at 10:12 pm

2 tight end sets just like the 49ers with Kittle and Dwelley. The Lafleur offense has finally arrived.

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stockholder's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:52 pm

The problem with the Musgrave pick-
was the talent still available at the time.
He went need. Thats Fine.
But you don't pass on the player that
will make your team better- or a winner- for Need.
Thats how you miss All-pros

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 28, 2023 at 10:13 pm

SH, youve been a fan long enough to know the Packers ALWAYS draft upside. This draft is no different.

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Oppy's picture

April 29, 2023 at 03:58 am

Just a surface glimpse at a Musgrave highlight reel left me thinking that his body control- balance, I guess, for lack of a better term- seemed iffy.

That's just a quick, uneducated, first impression I had.

I don't know the player and I'm certainly not a TE guru, so who knows.

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Rebelgb's picture

April 29, 2023 at 08:03 am

I had the same concerns. Then I looked a little more into in and he was playing a lot of games on Pac 12 fields, and let me tell you, those fields are total shit. They are known for being filled with lawn monsters.

In fact im not sure on one single highlight did I see grass? Even the so called "sports turf" fields of the Pac 12 look like something from my local high schools.

I hope im right thats all it is.

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Since'61's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:27 pm

I think it's good that the Packers finally have a legit speed guy but his size concerns me. Smaller guys don''t last long in the NFL. They can't take too many hits. If he was at least 195 I would feel better about him. But who knows he might be the exception to the rule. Give him a chance. Thanks, Since '61

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canadapacker's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:53 pm

I thought we drafted a speed guy last year ? Now we have a small quick guy like Miami has - hopefully he will develop and might be a good kick return guy. We have the punt returner and now a potential kick returner. Now we all know it takes awhile for guys to develop and maybe it will be faster with a QB attending the voluntary work outs - but now we have 2nd year guys Doubs Watson Toure and probably will need a vet or two - but it is a great starting point - and I like small fast pin-balls - even if they do last

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Oppy's picture

April 29, 2023 at 04:01 am

I do like that he's got cold weather experience as a receiver.

I think that goes a long way in the north divisions. Catching and carrying the ball in freezing weather is a whole different ball game.. as is taking hits in the cold.

So, at least he has that. He does look like a baller. Maybe he spends 2023/24 bulking up. I would expect that will be on the docket.

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Bitternotsour's picture

April 29, 2023 at 08:16 am

musgrave grew up in Bend, they have a milder winter than GB, but it's still a winter. Raised up as a competitive downhill skier, great balance and balls out fearlessness. has football lineage, and is a pretty compelling and thoughtful speaker.

seems tailer made for the packers (he also went to school in Corvallis, which is oddly similar to GB.

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Oppy's picture

April 29, 2023 at 10:00 am

Those are good things to note about Musgrave, but to clarify, I was referring to Reed.

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croatpackfan's picture

April 29, 2023 at 05:08 am

Since.. I can remember few of those small guys that lasted pretty long in NFL. Like Cobb, Beasly, Edelman and some others. Today we have Waddle, Hill...

It depends on toughtness player posses, it is not how mass they have. Also, look at physic. If you habe less mass you can be moved easier, and consequently absorb less collision energy.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:34 pm

Anyone else noticing that almost all of the Georgia players are going later than expected?

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stockholder's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:53 pm

And Tenn. WRS

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GregC's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:49 pm

What's the explanation for his numbers dropping so much from his junior year to his senior year? Especially yards per catch.

2021: 13 games, 1029 yards, 59 catches, 17.4 YPC, 10 TDs
2022: 11 games, 636 yards, 55 catches, 11.6 YPC, 5 TDs

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 28, 2023 at 10:15 pm

In 2021 they had Kenneth Walker, who prevented defenses from doubling receivers. In 2022, he became the focus of defenses.

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Oppy's picture

April 29, 2023 at 04:02 am

It would be helpful to have YAC numbers as well.

Of course, the best way to determine what the real story is.. watch the games.

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NoNonsense's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:54 pm

You can't watch Reed play and say he's too small. He plays above the rim, and hardly ever goes down on first contact. He runs like hes got a rocket shoved up his rear end. Hes not Jalin Hyatt fast but we have 2 4.3 guys in Watson and Melton. The guy brings a different element. He's doesn't have to be the guy here and he compliments Watson and Doubs quite well if you ask me.

Green Bay has a pretty freaking good track record with 2nd round WRs so why not just have a little faith.

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Tundraboy's picture

April 29, 2023 at 03:25 am

Or be happy.

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PhantomII's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:56 pm

I did not have Reed in my hopes box....but he is lightning quick, sets up blocks like a RB and is fierce with contested catches...pretty scrappy fella. Good route runner...Plays fast...looks like he's running in 4.3's but timed mid 4.45....In football don't start out in a sprinter stance....He's gonna be good. Love is getting another couple offensive weapons. GPG

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BAMABADGER's picture

April 28, 2023 at 09:34 pm

I would have rather taken either Mims, Hyatt, or Tillman. I assume Gutey knows something the rest of the GMs in need of a WR don't. Hope Reed is a star.

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PhantomII's picture

April 28, 2023 at 09:52 pm

JR had 46 explosive plays of 20+ yards in 2 seasons. I like the explosive plays next to Watson. I predict a better than expected season for GB. Add the 2 swift running TE's down the seam......mmm...mmm. RB's out of the back field. OL is healthy....More pass rushers that can pass rush from the DL also. OH, Yea.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 28, 2023 at 10:03 pm

Packers of course still need a Safety, but really need another good DL & OT. In round 7 pick another TE. What are they going to do for a back-up QB? With those extra 5 & 6 round picks maybe they have a QB identified. That is what I am guessing!

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Oppy's picture

April 29, 2023 at 04:06 am

I was just going to add in the TE's splitting seams.. If you've got Watson taking the top off the defense, and TEs who can drag coverage down the seams, a slot or back is going to eat underneath the defense.

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PhantomII's picture

April 29, 2023 at 11:16 am

Yes...And someone is gonna get WIDE OPEN in the pass game from covering the wrong guy or doubling a guy. Drawing up the routes and taking advantage of them. Maybe some no huddle to take it to them and kill their chance for rotating defenders out or fix what isn't working to stop us.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 28, 2023 at 10:00 pm

Has become very obvious to me that by drafting Jayden Reed the Packers essentially drafted Zay Flowers in round 2 vs round 1.Talk about a great selection. Flowers was drafted at pick #22 in round 1 by the Ravens. Zay is 5'10" and 182 lbs running the 40 yards in 4.42. The Packers draft Jayden at #49 in round 2. Jayden is 5-11, 187-pound and runs the 40-yard in 4.45. Yes, their physical size & speed almost spot on, as well as their playing style. I'd say....this was a great pick for value, plus Jayden returns kicks on Special Teams. I like Gutey deviating from the bigger slower & stiffer WR for a change to mix it up. Jayden has some electricity in his game & will be fun to watch him.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 28, 2023 at 10:18 pm

Thats how the Packers do it. Let the other teams overdraft receivers in the first round then clean up on day 2.

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nagawicka's picture

April 29, 2023 at 11:39 am

It's 'blog-reported' or passed along that Reed ran a 4.37 40 for the Packers.

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stockholder's picture

April 28, 2023 at 10:35 pm

This was the biggest mistake of the draft.
Trading back was asinine.
And thats the difference between
knowing talent and Gm who doesn't.
Why did we trade Rodgers?
So are Gm can tell a coach who he has to play.

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Oppy's picture

April 29, 2023 at 04:09 am

The Packers traded Rodgers because he was a going-on-40 year old pain in the ass who was regularly disrespecting the team in various ways.

It's really that simple.

By the way, you've been significantly over and under drafting this year yourself. What grade are we giving you for 2023 so far?

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stockholder's picture

April 29, 2023 at 07:18 am

Money for Gute

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Oppy's picture

April 29, 2023 at 09:58 am

What money for gute?
Money as in you think he gets a bonus for clearing salary cap?
Or money for Gute as in shipping out Rodgers eventually clears cap to allow the Packers to rebuild a strong core team again?

If it's the latter, that's not Money For Gute. That's Money for the TEAM.

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PhantomII's picture

April 29, 2023 at 10:48 am

AR wanted and took all the money GB had to be competitive. He came back for the money and knowing he took so much of it we had no #1 or #2 WR. DA walked because of it. We were never going to win it all with someone like that. The best shot he has is right now on a HISTORICALLY bad team with generations of high picks and this time some pretty good players, pretty good coaches before his salary strips the team of its cream of the crop players.

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Fubared's picture

April 28, 2023 at 11:01 pm

You have to think like gutty to figure out why Reed. People on this board fail to understand year in and out our picks are based on money.
1. Gutey said once he values and looks for picks that can play more then one position. Thus those true 6'1 receivers with speed and ability got passed over because reed runs kick offs back.
2. Who can Reed replace to save money? Cobb and also whomever is our current st player. Two contracts you can eliminate.. Reed is the money ball.
3. Reed is closer to 5'10 and his speed I thought was 4.56 so he's no speed demon..
4. Our TE' s replace two we let go so we're not strengthening the team , just replacing guys we don't want to give big bucks to. One of our TE's was seriously injured last year and played little and your taking him with a two pick?. There were way better guys available.
My score, c- at best. Silly to pass up talent for 5th rounders but talent wants to get paid.

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GregC's picture

April 29, 2023 at 04:03 am

One of last year's TEs was 39 years old and was almost a non-factor as a receiver. The other was an undrafted player who played over his head for one season and then suffered a bad knee injury that hampered his speed. It's absurd to say that the Packers are just replacing those guys to save money. These are two of the top tight ends in this draft class.

And you're wrong about Jayden Reed's speed, so you don't even have your facts right. You can look this stuff up, you know.

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croatpackfan's picture

April 29, 2023 at 05:28 am

"3. Reed is closer to 5'10 and his speed I thought was 4.56 so he's no speed demon.."

Official report:
"Born:
April 28, 2000 (age 23)
Chicago, Illinois, U.S.
Height:
5 ft 11 in (1.80 m)
Weight:
190 lb (86 kg)"

180 centimeters is equal to 5 feet and 10.9 inches, rounded to one decimal place. That is the few milimeters under the 5 ft 11 in. When he put his shoes or equipment on himself, he is over 5 ft 11 in.

So, he is 5 feet 10.9 inches or 5 feet 11 inches.

Take your statements correct!

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PhantomII's picture

April 29, 2023 at 01:41 pm

Gute had him for a visit and timed him at 4.36. That's what the film shows real time as well as changing speed and direction quickly and gaining separation. I like everything he brings. He will more than likely start immediately as he has polished skills at everything you would want in a WR.

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 28, 2023 at 11:19 pm

I came up with a new one tonight to illustrate the draft:

Let’s say you have to predict a coin flip. You might do all kinds of science stuff like room temperature, atmospheric pressure, aerodynamics of the coin, etc etc. After all that, you call “heads”
Now a guy wanders in off the street and says “tails”.

Then the coin flips….and (go ahead and supply the actual result of the flip: heads or tails.)

Then ask yourself, who was was right, and explain why.

There you have it: the NFL draft!

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Oppy's picture

April 29, 2023 at 04:17 am

It's more like a group of 10 guys all agree the right call is heads.

The coin is flipped. While it's in the air, you can call "heads" or "tails".

If you call heads while the coin is in the air, it's unanimously agreed upon you made the right call.

If you call tails while the coin is in the air, it's unanimously decried as the most boneheaded pick ever.

Then, the coin lands.

If it's heads, you get no credit for the call, it was a "no-brainer".
If it's tails, you get blasted anyways, because you could have called "Heads", and still gotten "Tails" on a later coin flip.

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 29, 2023 at 07:07 am

We’ve got the ball rolling now!

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

April 29, 2023 at 06:54 am

3) PICK # 3 AT 50 IN THE MID 2ND ROUND - after trading down from 45 and then 49 - we got Jayden Reed who was projected to go in the 4th or 5th round by NFL.com and was the 133 ranked player by NFL Draft buzz.

To draft Jayden - ranked 170 by NFL.com and ranked 133 by NFL Draft Buzz - we passed on:

a) USC's Tuli Tulpulotu edge rusher (ranked 36 by NFL.com and 95th by NFL Draft Buzz and my pick for 45th pick after choosing Jaxon Smith-Njigba at 13 - ranked by 19 NFL.com and 10th by NFL Draft Buzz) - and Darnlell Washington at 42, ranked 37 by NFL.com and 27 by NFL Draft Buzz) who was picked 54th by the Chargers ,

b) Rashee Rice WR (ranked 157 by NFL.com and 73rd by NFL Draft Buzz) picked at 55th by the Chiefs,

c) Luke Schoonmaker TE( ranked 44 by NFL.com and 107 by NFL Draft Buzz)TE Michigan at 58th,

d) Brenton Strange TE, Penn State (ranked 89 by NFL.com and 166 by NFL Draft Buzz) picked by the Jaguars at 61,

e) Marvin Mims WR (ranked 62 by NFL.com and 61 by NFL Draft Buzz) of Oklahoma, picked by the Broncos at 63,

f) Tank Dell WR (ranked 58 by NFL.com and 46 by NFL Draft Buzz) of Houston picked 69th by Houston and

g) Jalin Hyatt WR (ranked 9th by NFL.com and 15 by NFL Draft Buzz ) and Cedric Tillman (ranked 34 by NFL.com and 54 by NFL Draft Buzz) from Tennessee, picked at 73 and 74 by the Giants and Browns.

Jayden, small 5 foot 11, 187 pound wide receiver (Greg Jennings - picked in 2006 at 52 vs. Jayden at 50 - was 5 foot 11 and 197 pounds and never made the All Pro Team but did make the pro bowl in 2010 and 2011 when Aaron Rodgers was throwing to him) who is not a burner by any means - had the 16th fastest forty in the wide receiver category at 4.45 wide receiver. - Jennings ran a 4.46 at the Combine, Jennings 4.16 in the 20 yard shuttle, Reed 4.29, Jennings 6.68 in the 3 cone drill, Reed didn't run it, Jennings 36.5 vertical jump, Reed 33.5, Jennings 9 foot 9 broad jump, Reed 10 foot 1, Jennings 1.56 in the 10 yards split, Reed 1.57.

Good punt return numbers and receiving numbers were good at Michigan State and played at Western Michigan University - where Matt Lafleur playing wide receiver - before transferring to Michigan State, so that Western Michigan conntection probably has something to do with this pick - probably a relative of some player that Matt Lafleur played with at Central Michigan. .

Watched the 2 punt returns for a TD - 1 against Nebraska, where Nebraska's coverage was all to the right and Jayden just ran down the right side of the field = and 1 against Western Kentucky where Michigan State's blockers just pushed the slow Western Kentucky coverage team out of the picture. Don't expect Jayden to be able to to this in the NFL.

Big receiving game for receptions against Rutgers and yards against Youngtown State, but very little against Ohio State (though 1 impressive contested catch for a TD), Michigan, and Penn State. Good game against Wisconsin.

To his credit Jayden gets open and catches the ball in traffic (game winner against Wisconsin) and in the snow (Penn State game) and Lafleur will use him on jet sweeps and in motion plays, which you can see on his tapes. Some see so many contested catches as an indication the receiver can't get open - Doubs last year during the regular season - but I don't think that is the case with Reed, looks like this QB just didn't lead him and he had to wait for the ball several times - not many Aaron Rodgers around.

4) PICK # 4 AT 78 IN THE MIDDLE 3RD ROUND we chose Tucker Kraft (ranked 61st by NFL.com and 89 by NFL Draft Buzz) tight end and we passed on:

a) Josh Downs WR (ranked 16 by NFL.com and 43 by NFL Draft Buzz), picked 79th by the Colts and

b) Darnell Washington TE from Georgia (ranked 37 by NFL.com and 27th by NFL Draft Buzz), picked by Steelers at 93, and

c) Michael Wilson WR (ranked 159 by NFL.com and 113 by NFL Draft Buzz) from Stanford, picked by the Cardinals at 94, and

d) Tre Tucker WR (ranked 136 by NFL.com and 366 by NFL Draft Buzz) from Cincinnati, picked 100th, and

e) Cameron Latu TE (ranked 139 by NFL.com and 185 by NFL Draft Buzz), picked by the 49ers out of Alabama at pick 101.

Tucker Kraft was also injured and missed 6 games with a ankle injury. Played small school competition - other than Van Ness' Iowa in the first game of the season where Kraft got injured.

Kraft on film looks like a better blocker and YAC player than Musgrave.

Last year Christian Watson's film SCREAMS OUT AT YOU AND BLOWS YOU AWAY - nothing like that in Musgrave, Kraft, or Reed's film.

But now after this relative disaster of wounded and/or 5TH ROUND PICKED IN THE 2ND ROUND small "weapons" for Love - and a "Tweener" for the 13th overall pick at a less urgent edge rusher need - we have an extra 5th (159th) and 6th (179th) round pick - OH BOY!! - to go with ONE 4TH at 116, ONE 5TH at 149, ONE 6TH AT 207 AND FOUR 7THS at 232, 235, 242 and 256 - 3 short of this year's Brock Purdy, "Mr. Irrelevant".

So barring more trades, Saturday, we have 9 more picks::

1 - 116
2 - 149
3 - 159
4- 179
5- 207
6 - 232
7 - 235
8- 242
9 - 256

1. How many of these 9 picks will still be on the Packer Regular season 53 man roster at the start of the 2025-26 season (i.e. 2 years from now)?

2. What is the over/under?

I say two unless Brian and Russ get real CHEAP.

3. How many of the 9 chosen with salary cap hits of between $941,982 (pick 179) to $769,444 (pick 256) will play better than the relatively cheap lower salary cap hit signings of:

1) Kyrs Barnes $1,035,000 2023 cap hit Cardinals
2) Bob Tonyan $2,650,000 cap hit Bears
3) Jarran Reed $3,030,000 cap hit Seahawks
4) Allen Lazard $3,264,000 cap hit Jets
5) Mason Crosby estimate $3,000,000 cap hit for whomever signs him
6) Mercedes Lewis estimate $2,500,000 cap hit for whomever signs him
7) Randall Cobb estimate $2,500,000 cap hit for whomever signs him

4. Anyone that listened to the Aaron Rodgers January 8, 2023 press conference following the Lions game and the Aaron Rodgers appearances on Pat McAfee show in January and February 2023 - rather than EATING THE PACKER MANAGEMENT "SKY IS FALLING", SALARY CAP HELL" "DUE TO AARON RODGERS" knows that Aaron Rodgers said that we would be looking to restructure his contract with the Packers in 2023 so the Packers could sign their free agents with Aaron specifically naming Tonyan, Lazard, Lewis, and Cobb.

Packers Salary Cap Space for 2023 was $22.4 M (1st 51 players) assuming Aaron Rodgers played for the Packers in 2023.

That $22.4 Million in Salary Cap Space was the 4th most of the 32 NFL teams and approximately $8 M more in salary cap space could be added by the Packers converting workout and game day active bonuses to signing bonuses, giving the Packers approximately $30.4 M in salary cap space. .

Because of the trade of Aaron Rodgers, the Packers cap hit for Aaron for 2023 increased from $31.6 M to $40.3 - by approximately $8.7M (as the net effect of recognizing the entire remaining 2022 bonus in 2023 minus the savings of the 2023 1/4th pro ration of the $58.3 option and minimum 2023 veteran minimum league salary is greater by $8.7M).

This trade of Rodgers thus lowers the Packers $22.4 M in salary cap space - which was the 4th most salary cap space in the NFL - to approximately $13.8 and the additional pick #42 and exchange of Jets 6th for Packers 5th round choice lowered the Packers cap space for 1st 51 players further to approximately $12.7M.

Now Aaron has done for the Jets exactly what he said that he would do for the Packers

"Before the trade, Rodgers and the Green Bay Packers converted a $58.3 million option bonus, payable in 2023, into a 2024 base salary, a source told ESPN's Dan Graziano. As a result, he's making only $1.165 million this season -- the base-salary minimum. That also represents his cap charge.

Under his previous contract -- the three-year, $150 million extension from last year -- the Jets would've inherited a $15.8 million cap charge. That's relatively low for a player of his stature, but it would've put the Jets several million dollars over the cap."

In the Packers case the same change Aaron made with the Jets would have decreased the $31. 6M cap hit from Aaron playing for the Packers in 2023 to $31.6M minus $14.6 ($58.3 M divided by 4 years) to approximately $17 M.

That additional $14M in cap savings by Aaron's restructure would have given the Packers $30.4 + $14M = $44.4M in salary cap space to sign the aforementioned Packer 2023 free agents and other free agents too.

One thing for sure, just like the acting in a B Movie relative to a Classic, the NFL entertainment (i.e. football games) are ever more inferior - with these rookies replacing quality veterans on the Packers ESPECIALLY due to Brian's insecurities and fear of Packer Veteran players and decision to attempt to intimidate and threaten them rather than communicate with them - and to a smaller extent across the league - the more REVENUE the 31 Billionaire Parasites take of the total shared with the players.

Below is more on Aaron's new contract with the Jets which now has been extended beyond 2026, the 4 years remaining with the Packers, to 2027.

Rodgers will end up playing through at least the 2026 season and lead the Jets to playoffs those 4 years while are Packers are cursed by Brian and Russ.

ESPN:

"By pushing the $58.3 million option bonus into next year -- the bonus is fully guaranteed -- Rodgers' 2024 compensation balloons to $107.55 million. That consists of an original $47 million option bonus, plus $1.21 million in minimum salary, plus the $58.3 million bonus from this year.
Once the Jets exercise the $47 million option bonus, they can spread the cap hit over the remainder of the contract, which runs through 2027. They could add a void year to spread it over five, lowering the cap charges. If they do nothing other than pick up the $47 million option bonus, his 2024 cap hit would be $71.26 million.
The Jets and Rodgers' agent, David Dunn, already are having discussions about restructuring the deal again, Rodgers confirmed after Wednesday's news conference. Chances are he will have a new deal in place by training camp.
Rodgers, 39, didn't commit to playing in 2024, but he strongly hinted that he plans to, saying, 'They definitely gave up some picks for me to be here, so this isn't like one-and-done in my mind.'
The compensation package included a 2023 second-round pick and a 2024 conditional second-rounder that improves to a first-rounder if he plays at least 65% of the offensive snaps."
For now, though, the placeholder contract allows the Jets cap room to sign draft picks and pursue free agents. They are $7.4 million under the cap, according to NFLPA data. On Wednesday, they created about $3.5 million in space by tweaking defensive end John Franklin-Myers' contract, a source told ESPN's Field Yates."

Rodgers and the Jets will convert the now 2024 $58.3 in guaranteed salary and $47 Jets option (which they have to exercise before the 1st game in September 2024) , totaling $105.3M to signing bonus and spread it over 5 years through 2028 at a salary cap hit of about $20M a year and if necessary Aaron will renegotiate (lower his salary)/restructure the contract again.

THE KEY IS A MATURE, SECURE, COMMUNICATIVE, GENERAL MANAGER THT TREATS THEIR VETERAN PLAYERS AS COMRADES RATHER THAN ENEMIES.

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 29, 2023 at 07:11 am

And to think I was concerned that we’d run out of poopy flavored lollipops.
It appears we still have plenty.
Whew!

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greengold's picture

April 29, 2023 at 07:15 am

I went Mango. To the moon. Straight from Phoenix.

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 29, 2023 at 09:34 am

I think you mean “Straight Outta Phoenix”
😉

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 29, 2023 at 07:16 am

I posted this late last night trying to convince myself Reed is not a huge reach. I believe I was moderately successful, especially after viewing his college play tape:

About the same size as Greg Jennings. Both ran a 4.45. Both went to W. Michigan, Reed for a year until transferring to MSU. Both were 2nd round picks.

Greg caught 238 passes for 3,500+ yards and 39 TDs.
Reed caught 203 passes for 2,866 and 26 TDs.

As I look at their college production, Reed generated about 80% of Gregs production over 4 years. However most of Reed's production was in the B1G. Jennings in the MAC. Evens thing up a bit.

If he can run routes even close to the precision of Greg, he could be an under the radar steal. If not...he will a 2nd round kick and punt returner.

On tape, his RAS be damned. He's a good football player. If he maintains the motivation and "want to" he displayed in college, he's going to be on the field often producing on O and STs.

And I noticed something RAS does not measure...his YAC and how he gets extra yards. He is masterful at efficiently setting up a would be tackler with a quick juke or a jump cut, leaving the adversary grabbing air.

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stockholder's picture

April 29, 2023 at 07:20 am

You didn't like the Rodgers Drama.
But the draft is Drama.

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WD's picture

April 29, 2023 at 07:21 am

This is odd. While Reed is explosive he is very small. It is true we need WR help but to pick this guy with Jalin Hyatt and Cedric Tillman still on the board is puzzling. Reed could have been had in the fourth round if not later. After further review I saw the Packers timed him at 4.37 which is a lot faster then his earlier time. So lets give Gute the benefit of the doubt and say this was a very sound pick. So change the grade on this from a C- to a B+ , Final analysis is a small but explosive runner with blazing speed . I now like the pick He will be great as a slot receiver.

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PhantomII's picture

April 29, 2023 at 11:34 am

Hyatt may be faster...but all he really showed was he was fast and most of his big plays were blown coverage plays. Basically he did not check a lot of WR boxes for route running, contested catches, blocking, etc. Maybe he's so fast..he didn't need to...But, that's the knock on him, so when you're in the NFL and everyone else is good and faster than most defenders you have faced...there is a question mark. I definitely wanted Tillman...the guy has like 5 catches dropped in his career. Maybe GB is getting away from the Lazard type tweener and going faster than lazard full size TE. Reed shows so much more than just pure speed on film. He wore a #1 jersey..you know he has that chip on his shoulder. I watched the film, he's gonna be good.

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greengold's picture

April 29, 2023 at 07:21 am

Reed was the only player outside Top 100 rankings, which tells you how important his unique skill set is to LaFleur’s scheme & jet concepts.

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PhantomII's picture

April 29, 2023 at 07:53 pm

He's got legit speed and route running plus he's got returner experience...unlike a slot guy no longer on the team.

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