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Packers Draft Special: Packers Big Board 2.0

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Packers Draft Special: Packers Big Board 2.0

The Packers own six selections in the top 118 in the draft.  This is a key draft, now more than ever, as the Packers are a bit limited in what they can do financially until 2021.  That's the case becuase Green Bay signed four starters on the second day of free agency.  

Green Bay's true needs, as in a player they absolutely need to add moving into the season are truly down to one position.  Safety.  It is very likely that the Packres need to address the safety position and find someone who can at least compete to start across from Adrian Amos.  Kentrell Brice is gone, Tramon Williams is supposedly a corner and Josh Jones just might be a linebacker.  If they're not going to go with Raven Greene, they're going to need someone who can run back there.

Outside of safety, though, there are avenues for each position to be just fine, whether through the development of prior draft picks or due to the additions from the offseason spending spree.  What we're going to do here (for the final time) is to create a top 125.  This will create a list of prospects that should be available inside Green Bay's six picks in the top 118.  This list is literally who I would take at #12 into perpituity.  If everyone in front of a player is gone, I'd take that player.  This is, of course, based on my opinion of the player(s) and the roster needs of the Packers.  Once they select someone and "fulfill a need", things can be shifted but this is as the roster sits here on April 12th.  We'll include Relative Athletic Scores.

Rk Player School Position RAS
1 Nick Bosa Ohio State EDGE1 9.37
2 Quinnen Williams Alabama IDL1 9.65
3 Brian Burns Florida State EDGE2 9.83
4 Josh Allen Kentucky EDGE3 9.83
5 Ed Oliver Houston IDL2 9.88
6 TJ Hockenson Iowa TE1 9.14
7 Montez Sweat Mississippi State EDGE4 9.82
8 Devin Bush Michigan LB1 9.32
9 Noah Fant Iowa TE2 9.89
10 Clelin Ferrell Clemson EDGE5 N/A
11 DK Metcalf Ole Miss WR1 9.65
12 Greedy Williams LSU CB1 8.68
13 Devin White LSU LB2 9.33
14 Juan Thornhill Virginia S1 10
15 Jonah Williams Alabama OT1 5.46
16 Jawaan Taylor Florida OT2 N/A
17 Dalton Risner Kansas State OT3 6.92
18 Andre Dillard Washington State OT4 9.82
19 Chase Winovich Michigan EDGE6 8.58
20 Deebo Samuel South Carolina WR2 8.91
21 Chauncey Gardner-Johnson Florida S2 8.06
22 Nasir Adderley Delaware S3 7.05
23 Darnell Savage Maryland S4 8.29
24 Byron Murphy Washington CB2 5.61
25 Amani Oruwariye Penn State CB3 9.43
26 Jerry Tillery Notre Dame IDL3 9.74
27 AJ Brown Ole Miss WR3 9.7
28 Marquise Brown Oklahoma WR4 N/A
29 Hakeem Butler Iowa State WR5 9.92
30 Jeffrey Simmons Mississippi State IDL4 N/A
31 Rashan Gary Michigan IDL5 9.92
32 Irv Smith Jr Alabama TE3 5.84
33 Deandre Baker Georgia CB4 6.42
34 Cody Ford Oklahoma OG1 6.31
35 Christian Wilkins Clemson IDL6 8.51
36 JJ Arcega-Whiteside Stanford WR6 8.82
37 Kelvin Harmon NC State WR7 4.91
38 Dexter Lawrence Clemson IDL7 9.81
39 Anthony Nelson Iowa EDGE7 9.23
40 Andy Isabella UMass WR8 8.41
41 N'Keal Harry Arizona State WR9 8.35
42 David Long Michigan CB4 9.57
43 Julian Love Notre Dame CB5 7.63
44 Justin Layne MIchigan State CB6 8.93
45 Trayvon Mullen Clemson CB7 7.45
46 Amani Hooker Iowa S5 9.08
47 Mack Wilson Alabama LB3 5.67
48 Garrett Bradbury NC State C1 9.95
49 Elgton Jenkins Mississippi State C2 9.2
50 Josh Jacobs Alabama RB1 5.66
51 Kyler Murray Oklahoma QB1 N/A
52 Blake Cashman Minnesota LB4 9.55
53 Jonathan Abram Mississippi State S6 6.96
54 Chris Lindstrom Boston College OG2 9.82
55 Dre'Mont Jones Ohio State IDL9 6.14
56 Riley Ridley Georgia WR10 4.49
57 Deionte Thompson Alabama S7 N/A
58 Jachai Polite Florida EDGE8 3.82
59 Justin Hollins Oregon EDGE9 9.86
60 Ben Banogu TCU EDGE10 9.7
61 Zach Allen Boston College EDGE11 4.8
62 Greg Little Ole Miss OT5 5.28
63 Dwayne Haskins Ohio State QB2 N/A
64 Taylor Rapp Washington S8 4.99
65 Sean Bunting Central Michigan CB8 9.62
66 Rock Ya-Sin Temple CB9 6.14
67 Easton Stick North Dakota State QB3 9.65
68 Will Grier West Virginia QB4 7.14
69 Yodny Cajuste West Virginia OT6 N/A
70 Kaleb McGary Washington OT7 9.83
71 Chuma Edoga USC OT8 6.55
72 Jace Sternberger Texas A&M TE4 5.21
73 Kahale Warring San Diego State TE5 9.4
74 Dawson Knox Ole Miss TE6 9.08
75 Connor McGovern Penn State OG3 9.7
76 David Montgomery Iowa State RB2 4.11
77 Dru Samia Oklahoma OG4 7.53
78 Erik McCoy Texas A&M C3 8.91
79 Malik Reed Nevada EDGE12 5.29
80 Michael Deiter Wisconsin OG5 5.59
81 Beau Benschwazel Wisconsin OG6 7.37
82 Nate Davis Charlotte OG7 N/A
83 Lonnie Johnson Kentucky CB10 9.39
84 Jamel Dean Auburn CB11 9.92
85 D'Andre Walker Georgia EDGE13 N/A
86 Oshane Ximinies Old Dominion EDGE14 6.63
87 Antoine Wesley Texas Tech WR11 5.97
88 Terry McLaurin Ohio State WR12 9.65
89 Jakobi Meyers NC State WR13 6.27
90 Bobby Okereke Stanford LB5 8.21
91 Parris Campbell Ohio State WR14 9.77
92 Mecole Hardman Georgia WR15 8.18
93 Renell Wren Arizona State IDL10 9.69
94 Maxx Crosby Eastern Michigan EDGE15 9.64
95 Dakota Allen Texas Tech LB6 5.97
96 Charles Omenihu Texas EDGE16 6.23
97 LJ Collier TCU IDL11 3.19
98 Miles Sanders Penn State RB3 9,57
99 Justice Hill Oklahoma State RB4 9.32
100 Rodney Anderson Oklahoma RB5 N/A
101 Wyatt Ray Boston College EDGE17 7.51
102 Marquise Blair Utah S9 8.78
103 Jaquan Johnson Miami S10 2.5
104 Jimmy Moreland James Madison CB12 7.21
105 Michael Jordan Ohio State OG8 N/A
106 Kaden Smith Stanford TE7 3.83
107 Kendall Sheffield Ohio State CB13 N/A
108 JoeJuan Williams Vanderbilt CB14 7.69
109 Isaiah Johnson Houston CB15 10
110 Drue Tranquill Notre Dame LB7 9.87
111 Tytus Howard Alabama State OT9 6.3
112 Gerald Willis Miami IDL12 N/A
113 Isaiah Buggs Alabama IDL13 2.03
114 Darrell Henderson Memphis RB6 8.32
115 Bruce Anderson North Dakota State RB7 5.8
116 Vosean Joseph Florida LB8 N/A
117 Jalen Jelks Oregon EDGE18 4.82
118 Diontae Johnson Toledo WR16 4.25
119 DaMarkus Lodge Ole Miss WR17 4.11
120 Emanuel Hall Mizzou WR18 9.86
121 Miles Boykin Notre Dame WR19 9.93
122 Brett Rypien Boise State QB5 5.84
123 Drew Lock Mizzou QB6 8.89
124 Jarrett Stidham Auburn QB7 6.63
125 Daniel Jones Duke QB8 7.93

Thanks for checking this out!  It's probably best to bookmark this for draft night, because unless there is a major injury or a gas mask bong video these rankings aren't going to change.  I've done my work

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Ross Uglem is a staff writer for Cheesehead TV. He can be found on Twitter @RossUglem 

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Stevieeyez's picture

Why do I get the feeling, Burns is Reynolds 2.0. My first post but avid reader.

PatrickGB's picture

I don’t know. Why do you get that feeling? Do you know something about Burns that we don’t know?

jaskil19752's picture

Because you are only basing your view on the fact that they are both edge rushers who went to the same school. Any amount of film study would show you they are two completely different players.

PeteK's picture

I had a similar thought. Just a feeling no film study needed.

BeerCheese4's picture

Only in bust potential. I like Burns at 30 is worth the risk if he makes it that far but certainly not at 12.

PackfanNY's picture

Wow this board rates Burns way higher than some other boards I have seen. Example Daniel Jeremiah NFL network has him at #36. Ranking him at #3 is a huge difference. I guess we will have to see how teams actually have him ranked. Exactly what makes this a crap shoot.

Old School's picture

This board overvalues edge rushers.

Nick Perry's picture

Take a look around the NFL... Just how many pass rushers from Florida St. who were successful in school but not so much in the NFL. This is a list of the Top 10 sack artists from Florida St. Remember #5?

1) Reinard Wilson
35.5

2) Peter Boulware
34.0

3) DeMarcus Walker
28.5

4) Ron Simmons
25.0

5) Jamal Reynolds
23.5

6) Björn Werner
23.5

7) Andre Wadsworth
23.0

8) Alonzo Jackson
23.0

9) Everette Brown
23.0

10) Brandon Jenkins
22.5

I get the same feeling you do.

RickInCali's picture

Nice! That is a giant load of crap...... Wow.... Past results are no guarantee of future returns, but that is an even harder pass than USC wideouts.

Rossonero's picture

Excellent research, Nick! I agree -- the lack of FSU pass rushers succeeding in the NFL is more than just paranoia or emotion from Jamal Reynolds burning us 18 years ago. There is merit to this argument.

Ross Uglem's picture

This still means less than nothing.

Old School's picture

Some people overvalue edge rushers. Jamal "Too Small" Reynolds is a case in point. Getting around the edge against some 21 year old who's going to be teaching PE in a few years is one thing; getting around NFL tackles is another.

Look at the top edge rushers in this draft and look at their gamelogs and in the games where they had 0 sacks, look at who they were up against. Because that's who they're going against every week in the NFL.

Johnblood27's picture

Ron Simmons did have a great pro wrestling career...

...he has that going for him...

The TKstinator's picture

...which is nice.

Norm's picture

I’m old enough to remember when Jeff Tedford QB’s were assumed to be automatic NFL busts.

Ross Uglem's picture

Helmet scouting is the dumbest form of scouting. Pure and simple.

KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

Welcome Stevie!

I like Burns and he is one of my favorite four players I'd like at 12. Hope if in GB he turns into everything hyped up to be.

Dragon5's picture

Ross do you cross reference / utilize SPARQ scores as well? They can be found here:

3sigmaathlete.com/sparq-rankings-2019/

Miles Boykin trumped [email protected]

Old School's picture

Not a single QB in the top 50. I guess that Rodgers is going to play every game and we don't need a backup who can win a game in the NFL.

I've thought for a while we might get a shot at White, and if he's on the board at #12, he'd be my guy. If White's not there, I wouldn't mind trading down.

All along I've thought we should take the safety at #30. I like Abrams, who you have in the 50s but I've generally seen him going higher. In my book, he's the #1 safety in this draft.

In the 2nd round, if we're taking an OT, I'd be very happy with Cajuste.

So.....a potential Pro Bowler at ILB, the #1 safety in the draft, and a top OT. I'd be satisfied with that.

PeteK's picture

Please, enough with these QB picks. Id rather give Manzel a try. I didn't give you a dislike, by the way.

Old School's picture

So you dont think these guys Lock or Haskins .....both of whom will probably be taken in the first round......aren't likely to be any better than a colossal failure?? I disagree.

Ross Uglem's picture

Lock is bad and will be bad.

olwig420's picture

QB...NO. If the packers were a few players away from a confident Super Bowl run then maybe. We don't know what this team is going to be like yet. If they only have 8 wins this year with AR then what would be the point of spending the resources on a backup QB warming the bench? Right now they are still a bad team until proven otherwise.

stockholder's picture

Old School I gave you a Like. The point of a QB is logical. Especially after two collar bone breaks. And how many are going to go in the top ten. Abram will be a good player. I like Thornhill. Both could be selected as far as I'm concerned. White ,Abrams and Cajuste are logical. It could happen.

jannes bjornson's picture

I would look at Grier and Stidhem in the second , maybe one drops to third round. They have a body of work and can read more than one receiver.
One Old School scout stated Grubb is miles ahead of these Edge people and half would be second round rated guys in 2018's draft. I would look for the Big Boys to protect Rodgers and get some wide bodies to stop the run.

Johnblood27's picture

I sure wish the Swedish Chef would weigh in on the "pick a QB" issue...

Otto's picture

I'd rather spend the pick on an O-linemen to keep AR12 upright.

4zone's picture

Looks more like a wish list than a Big Board.

Jonathan Spader's picture

Big boards are a wish list.....

jannes bjornson's picture

Its a pretty accurate board. The positions are valid.

olwig420's picture

The guy I tiny, smaller than the average Male American. I also feel he will likely end up the same kind of person as his cousin. No thanks.

Ross Uglem's picture

I’ve found it. I’ve found the dumbest comment on the internet.

dobber's picture

Hold my beer... ;)

EddieLeeIvory's picture

Gotta move Hollywood up.
He will provide immediate spark. He's electric, nothing like any of our current WRs.
As long as his foot checks out with our brilliant foot doc.

Ross Uglem's picture

He’d definitely be higher if it weren’t for his size and his foot injury. I don’t like a guy that small already being hurt.

RickInCali's picture

I watched a lot of Murray tape and it seemed like 90% of his highlights were Hollywood running completely free. I wouldn’t dare to say it here but is was like he was Sterling Sharpe’s mini-me. He was literally always open.

Ross Uglem's picture

I don’t have a single bad thing to say about his film.

jannes bjornson's picture

I would look at Hardman. The foot injury histories typically do npt bode well for a NFL career. See; Nick Perry

ricky's picture

Greg Cosell has named Jace Sternberger as his "under the radar" player who is going to exceed expectations by a large margin. He compared him to Travis Kelce, high praise indeed. source: Interview Thursday morning on "Schein on Sports", Mad Dog Radio.

J0hn Denver's Gavel's picture

The Pack did have Jace in for a pre-draft visit. We'll see if the Pack thinks as much of Sternberger as Cosell does in just a few weeks!

Rossonero's picture

Packers brought him in for a pre-draft visit too. The hype around Hockenson is a little too rich for me.

How funny would it be if Sternberger wound up the better TE than Hockenson? We can revisit that in 3 years though...

IceBowl's picture

I love your board, and your draft guide work.

It;s just not for me. If there is consensus, I would like to see it.

I'm one of those (lazy in NFL draft prep) that have no idea what the Pack's draft board looks like, and that hidden board is all that matters.

It;s the board that gave us an extra 1st round pick this year.

We just have to trust it.

For you draftniks, enjoy your super bowl.

nostradanus's picture

Burns is a STUD no doubt about it, he will most likely not be there at 12.
If he his .....sprint that card up there man. ..BURNS WOULD BE THE YIN TO THE SMITH BROTHAS YANG!! Go get him Gute!

4thand1's picture

Oliver at 12 if he's there, BPA by far.

Rossonero's picture

Same for me 4thand1. DT is a bigger need than we realize. Daniels getting a 3rd contract is going to be iffy at best.

For all we know, the Packers may already have their minds made up about letting Daniels hit free agency in 2020. Paying the 23 yr old Kenny Clark will be the priority, not Daniels, who turns 30 in May.

dobber's picture

Same thing is true of OL: Bulaga's contract is up after 2019. Bakhtiari, Taylor (who is replaceable now IMO, and would save the Packers about $3M in cap space if cut), and Linsley are all up after 2020.

Rossonero's picture

Good point Dobber. I hear you on Bulaga. He's as good as gone after this season. RG isn't settled and Lane Taylor isn't a long-term lock either.

zeroluv's picture

We need to draft many Dline and Oline. We will lose Bulaga, Taylor, Daniels, Tramon Williams and possibly Martinez. We can waste picks on a QB or RB. In 2020 we will lose a crap ton of players and our cap will be only 25 million tops.

crayzpackfan's picture

I’m not by any means recommending this, but how crazy would it be to draft DT at 12 and then use the next 4 picks on OL? If the picks were correct, can u imagine the O line going forward? I’m just goofing around of course.

stockholder's picture

1-13. Logical 14- 19 Reach. 20-29. Never in the first. 30-35. Late first round. I'm going to stop there. Pushing a lot of players down the board is a big mistake. The Vikings will be all over Wilkins. Try #9 to Buffalo! And even if Gary drops. He still better then Winovich. You turned your big board into a Hot sheet. You Loved Polite and Risner. Can't miss were your words. No way Hooker and Savage will be better then Abram. Your board favors Offense! And this is a defensive draft by any expert. Burn It!

PeteK's picture

You're starting to win me over with Oliver, what motor and power. He reminds me of Randle minus the face paint.

blondy45's picture

At pick 12 in order: 1. LB White 2. DT Oliver 3. Edge Sweat 4. Edge Burns if all not available trade down. At picks 30 or 44: 1. S Thornhill 2. TE Hockenson 3. ILB Bush 4. WR A. J. Brown 5. S Aderley 6. TE Fant 7. RB Jacobs 8. OT Little 9. OT Risner 10. WR Harmon A 10.0 RAS score for S Thornhill please take him at 30! Devin White at 12, I know I am dreaming! This is just my hope list. The Packers's gurus know much more than I do. I can not wait for Draft Day. I enjoy reading all of your posts.

BeerCheese4's picture

Never hurts to dream. I like a bunch of RBs that are not getting a lot of love by the NFL media so perhaps round 4 is a good place for that as opposed to Jacobs at 30?

jannes bjornson's picture

I have Thornhill mocked at #30. He's a proven ballhawk. The #12 is a BPA scenario given the uncertainty of trade ups for QBs.

Chris Vachio's picture

I see DK Metcalf and all I can think of is Darius Heyward-Bey. Hard pass for me.

Handsback's picture

Good work Ross. Outside of Burns, too high and QB Daniel Jones too low....OK.

jannes bjornson's picture

Jones has a long windup.

Ross Uglem's picture

Jones is not good.

IceBowl's picture

Like I said, I am not a draft nick. Here is a small part of the reason, referencing Tony Mandarich ................. "He was drafted in the first round of the 1989 NFL Draft by Green Bay Packers as the second overall pick. He also played for the Indianapolis Colts.

Referred to as "the best offensive line prospect ever",[1] Mandarich was highly touted during his collegiate career at Michigan State, leading to his high selection in the 1989 draft by the Packers.

I just don't have the expertise the Pack does. And they are not infallible.

But I do enjoy watching the "boiling of the waters.

MarkinMadison's picture

My three cents:

Sweat over Burns.

Hakeem Butler over DK Metcalf.

Cody Ford can play right tackle, and his value should be a bit higher.

CheesyTex's picture

My two cents:

Sweat over Burns.

Butler over Metcalf.

Cody Ford overrated.

Jonathan Spader's picture

Does it count as 2 cents since you just agreed with his first cent(ence)?

CheesyTex's picture

Ross, thank you for all the fine work. It is so helpful to me in forming favorites heading into the draft.

Re ND players: As an alum (way back in the golden 50's), I watched every game this year and differ with your opinion on Julian Love and Drue Tranquill.

Hope I am wrong in both cases, but I will be surprised if Love has the toughness necessary at the NFL level and if Tranquill can stay healthy.

BeerCheese4's picture

Ross, overall I like your rankings and it aligns really well with mine (I don't put in the time you do btw). A couple of things I wouldn't mind some feedback from the community:
- I don't think DK will be a top five in this class when careers are done.
- I realize that Burns is this years pound the table guy like last year's Landry, but at 12, doesn't make sense.
- I like Christian Wilkens, what am I missing here?
- N'Keal Harry will most likely have a better career than DK
- I have McGary higher in the OL rankings.
One last thing, I am once again confused about your QB rankings. Last year Josh Allen was last at 150 our of 150 and this year and this year Drew Lock is a dog. I personally love big armed mobile QBs that remind me of Brett Favre. (I do like Easton for a late round pick for us.)
Thanks for your contributions.

jannes bjornson's picture

Lock does not have the hand size of Farve or Rodgers or Elway. He runs hot and cold.

Ross Uglem's picture

Josh Allen was bad and will continue to be bad.

AgrippaLII's picture

I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict Green Bay's first round #12 pick is somewhere on your board!

albert999's picture

Nice work Ross
This won’t be popular but I would trade 12th and 44th to move up and get Josh Allen and take Daniel Jones at 30 and a offensive lineman next and then a safety

Ross Uglem's picture

Taking Daniel Jones is completely nonsensical with the Rodgers contract, plain and simple.

albert999's picture

Keeping 2 backup QB’S that can’t win a game is NONSENSICAL especially with Rodgers injury proneness

albert999's picture

I’m sure YOU thought the same when they drafted Rodgers
Good luck with your draft wants and pray Rodgers doesn’t get hurt

J0hn Denver's Gavel's picture

Rodgers is getting paid a lot of money. I think the QB contingency plan is already on the roster, for better or worse. If the amount of years left on the deal all play out, we won't see your 2019 1St rd QB play on his rookie contract. In Rodgers we trust.

Ross Uglem's picture

they aren’t even close to the same situation. The way the CBA works now you want the quarterback on the rookie contract PLAYING, not sitting. 7 of the last 10 non-Patriots Super Bowl teams had QBs on rookie contracts, including the Rams this year.

You don’t draft a QB to sit for three or four years any more and you can’t get out of Rodgers’ deal until 2023.

Taking a 1st round QB is a VERY poorly constructed idea.

Old School's picture

And yet, teams who have replaced aging veterans with 1st round QBs have done very well in turning things around the last couple of years, haven't they?

At some point in time, Rodgers isn't going to be able to play. It could happen in the opener or at any point beyond it. He could miss a couple of snaps, a couple of games, or the rest of the season. We do not have a legitimate NFL QB on the roster behind him.

Joe Flacco won a Super Bowl more recently than Rodgers, and he was replaced last year by a rookie. Mahomes supplanted Alex Smith. Given that you don't win in this league without a QB, I'd surely be trying to make that position stronger.

dobber's picture

In the end, the issue here is ARod's contract, its impact on the cap, and what it means to roster management. If anything, it shows that this team is committed to milking #12 for at least one more trip to the big game before he goes. They've paid him handsomely, and they've burned a tremendous amount of cap space on defensive players who are young and durable. It would be inconsistent with this current MO to burn a day 1 (or maybe even day 2) pick on a QB instead of other players who can prop up the team (and QB1) right now.

Ross Uglem's picture

Yes and you deal with it when the starters contract allows it. Like Flacco’s did. The dead money was to the point where Baltimore could get out of it. The Packers aren’t even close.

You have to pay attention to contract structure. This is not madden. It’s both a bad idea because Jones isn’t good and a bad idea because it’s not practical and would completely destroy the teams cap.

Ross Uglem's picture

What you are consistently failing to understand is that if they take Jones, a bad quarterback, and replace Rodgers, the highest rated QB of all time, mostly based on a timeline of replacing Brett Favre that is nonsensical for a number of reasons, the Packers would have $59 million against the cap in 2020 paying Rodgers to play somewhere else and they’d have to pay Jones.

Might as well just not play the games.

jannes bjornson's picture

You don't let the Inmates run the asylum. Kizer was swapped for Randall , so Gutekunst owns that deal. Maybe Mccarthy wanted him onboard and DaMarious gone for "locker room chemistry? I think Gutey knows he made the wrong move and will rectify the situation. Rodgers is committed to his deal for a reason. QBs with premier talent play longer in today's game.
If they bagged a guy in the fourth or fifth that is better than the dynamic duo of Kizer-Boyle , go for it. Let's watch it unfold on day three of the draft.

albert999's picture

How do you know Jones is a bad quarterback?

Ross Uglem's picture

by watching him play and seeing that he is not good

Ross Uglem's picture

also I cheered like a madman when they drafted Rodgers.

albert999's picture

Good luck my friends

KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

Albert gave you an up vote!

Had just read the mock draft out there with the Pack taking Jones at 30. Never saw anyone mocking a QB at 30 before. If Jones was there at 30 I certainly wouldn't be upset depending who else was available. I really like Simmons at 30, or for Pack to move up in round 2 to get him.

My preference.... Oliver is my overall preference at 12, otherwise drop back a few selections and take Fant. Then Simmons at 30 (or best available OT, or ILB) then Simmons high in round 2. Would make me very happy!

Think I can pretty much say I am going to be happy with whomever Gute selects because much more comfortable with what he is doing than I was with TT in later years. Loved what Gute did last year!

albert999's picture

No ......I didn't know there was a mock with him?
I just like him and he would learn a lot behind AR and I think he’s better than either back up we have know

Your preference mock better also pray Rodgers doesn’t get hurt
GO PACK

Jonathan Spader's picture

Even if the Packers drafted Jones I would still hope/pray Rodgers doesn't get hurt. The argument isn't for an immediate backup for Rodgers with a draft choice. It's about grooming the future QB for once Rodger's contract is up the way we did with Rodgers behind Farve.

albert999's picture

i’m not arguing
We don’t have a good back up period so why not get one now start grooming and if he needs to go in and win I believe he can
God forbid something happens

Old School's picture

It's for both, IMO.

jannes bjornson's picture

The queens rotate a veteran backup every year and seem to cover their bases. I Liked Siemien last year on an easy trade with Elway, but Pack made the Kizer deal. This year they pull in Mannion, who is familiar with the McVay offense. The Packers devotion to UDFA and semi-talented QBs is perplexing.

Johnblood27's picture

Its a Green Bay tradition dating back to the Arnie Herber Cecil Isbell days.

Carried forward with Bart Starr, Babe Parilli and Don Horn.

Doug Pederson anyone?

KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

Albert,
I had literally just read that mock draft with Jones at 30 right prior to reading your post and why I assumed you had read it too. The mock caught me by surprise as nobody has mocked a QB at 30 and as I thought about I am like if Jones was there it probably would be a good selection.

Ross Uglem's picture

it would be a bad selection because of a number of reasons, most importantly that Jones isn’t good.

albert999's picture

How do you know? Who made you the quarterback God?
His stock is rising fast looking at mocks and articles abound

jannes bjornson's picture

Get the safety at #30 before Belichick moves on him in the second rd.

albert999's picture

It’s gonna be fun

RickInCali's picture

Realistically I bet we trade down from 12 to the range of 17, because I think Oliver will be gone and it is too high for a TE or off-ball LB there. That would net an extra third. At 17 you’d feel better about Fant, Hock or O-Line like maybe Dillard. Take either Adderley or Thornhill at 30. Go back to O-Line at 44 or take a chance on Simmons. I’d double down and take Hooker in the third and a RB after that.

Adderley and Thornhill can and have played corner and Hooker also runs 4.55. They can all man up in the slot or play single-high. Our defense could put real speed into all packages, we protect ourselves for when we lose Bulaga and Graham. If we ended up with Simmons at 44 we protect ourselves from losing Daniels.

It aint sexy, but it could happen.

albert999's picture

Interesting

jannes bjornson's picture

If Oliver or Sweat are not there @ #12 I would prefer the trade down scenario. Takes two to Tango. If Elway takes Lock, who does Washington target? Assuming Gettleman takes Haskins. Keenum can manage the offense for a year. Are they willing to swap a three and go up to #12 for Jones ?

RickInCali's picture

If people like the Duke guy and/or Haskins..... 12 could be THE goldmine spot. Get ahead of Miami amd Washington..... I doubt Denver goes QB..... Man would that be something if there was a bidding war for 12

albert999's picture

Duke guy is Jones!

snowdog's picture

I believe this is the most sound realistical mock I've been comfortable with yet. Not sexy but plugs all the holes with projected quality ,sound players.
With a passive but aggressive approch. Great thread ! Cali .

A + + +

Bryan Chisholm's picture

Garret Bradbury with the highest RAS score.. hmm.. didn't see that coming lol. HaKeem Butler with another very high RAS score.. wouldn't be shocked if he landed with us. But would be very happy.

croatpackfan's picture

Ross, I noticed one thing. Many sources have Damien Harris, Alabama as 2nd, 3rd or at the worst 5th RB. You do not mention him at all.

Is that on purpose or you just missed him?

RickInCali's picture

I wondered about that too. I was thinking exactly of him when I suggested trading down to pick up that extra third. He’d complement what we have for sure.

Ross Uglem's picture

Check my top 300. It’s my pinned tweet. He’s in there.

optimisticfan's picture

Good job on the board. This leads to questions about where/when value of OT comes into play. BPA makes sense. However do the Packers slightly over value a OT a few spots above another position player at some point though? Count me in the camp that this time around I feel a first round OT may be a better investment for a team that is looking to protect Rogers now than waiting for a 4th rounder to develop (if mgmt is looking to move on from Bulaga). Many factors of Bulaga's health, need for better mobile zone blockers on the OL, ?moving on from Bulaga if buisness wise cost doesn't = value in a year, etc
So when does it make sense to take one of the top 4 versatile OT on your board who could play immediately at OG and slide to OT with injuries or be groomed for OT of the future? Also is Turner really a quality starter or overpaid backup (to be seen)?

2 possible scenarios:

1) OT at 30
12 = defender available (Burns, Oliver, though likely Sweat or Bush is who is available)
30 = best OT left of the top 4
44 = FS
75 = BPA (TE?) or maybe move up to late 2nd/early 3rd round to get prized TE or WR
BPA rest of the way (likely in order RB, WR, developmental QB, IDL)

2) IF teams do not go high on QB and only 1 QB goes in the first 11 AND the others off the board are (Bosa, Q Williams, Allen, Oliver, Burns, Taylor, Sweat, Bush, White and Hockenson) AND the Giants or someone lower offers to trade up...
Does the value make sense to trade down get whatever the going rate is of extra 2nd and 3rd rounders etc? Also with a chance to get Simmons with one of the luxury picks...maybe....
17 = BPA (?Fant, Jonah Williams, if still available after dolphins, falcons and panthers pick (unlikely)
30 = OT (Risner or Dillard if available) or if not BPA (EDGE Winovich?, WR AJ Brown?), Simmons with an extra 2nd round pick? and go for your 3rd/4th round OT value
44 = FS
BPA onward

Also at what cutoff point on the big board above would you entertain offers to trade down? Is Bush at 8 or Fant at 9 too high to trade if they are on the board?

jannes bjornson's picture

Why give up the five-year options you hold for two players that hopefully will be building blocks for the future? The first round QBs are over-rated.

Christian Roussel's picture

I did the NFL predict the pick game. Over the last years it's been a way for me to be realistic about who could be available. Was not able to land any of Iowa's TE. Got Brian Burns at 12 and i was not exactly excited about it. I'm a little concerned about his power. Got Simmons at 30. That did put a smile on my face. Again i only mocked 1 QB before the Packers 1st pick, and there was no trade wich is improbable.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

I did Predict the Pick as well [NFL dot com game for predicting the order in which the players are selected in the first round]. Much harder than I thought it would be. Trades are subsumed in the game given the rules. It doesn't matter which team takes the players, only if you get the order in which the players are taken correct.

It would be easy to do a CHTV private group. You'd just have to publish the group name and a password here in the comments.

NitschkeFan's picture

I don’t watch college ball so I have no opinion on these rankings but I do find it interesting that in two consecutive CHTV posts we get “Big Boards” with some huge differences.

For example, Ross has Brian Burns at #3! Daniel Jeremiah has the same guy at #43?

Ross’ top Safety is Juan Thornhill ranked overall 14th best prospect.

Daniel Jeremiah has 4 Safeties in his top 50 ranked prospects and none of them are named Thornhill.

Those two jumped out at me since we all feel that Safety and EDGE are in play for possible Packer's first round picks. I do thank Ross for the input and will be referring to his board (and others) as the draft plays out.

jannes bjornson's picture

Thornhill is on the top of Pauline's list and Bucky Brooks has Abram. It depends on how {ettine uses Amos. I like Abram for his sideline to sideline cover as a strong safety. Thornhill has the best coverage rating and had a strong combine and limited injury history. I would bag Thornhill as our FS starter who can also cover the dime slot as a CB. High football IQ guy with a proven record of playing the ball. 13 Ints.

Holecrap's picture

I see one Lonnie Johnson, corner is like 83. If we can get him in the 3rd it would be a steal. 6'2 213 with a high upside. One analyst thinks if he gets the right coaching, could be best corner in football in a few years.
I still think hock at 12 for starters.

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